/liberty/ - Liberty

Paleocons are welcomed in the Liberty movement, but we tend to find their claims of social destruction without gubment to be unfounded much in the same argument as "but without government, who would prevent monopolies!?!?!?"

If you think about it rationally for a while, you begin to realize that government itself is responsible for the breakdown of religion, morals, and the family model via their own meddling. The left recognizes this, Nationalists and Paleocons not so much.

>>11568

Monopolies are still monopolies even if they're not created through government

>>11570

Yeah, but since I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a monopoly that has come into existence and persisted without government intervention, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that the government is responsible for monopolies.

>>11578

Drink shit nigger

>>11578

More or less this.

Plus we've been taught that monopolies are naturally bad for some reason.

The truth is that a monopoly has to be extremely competitive to keep a better and/pr cheaper product from pricing them out of the market.

E.G. How standard oil brought lower quality but much lower cost oil to the market in the early 1900s, effectively crashing the prior monopolies while bringing consumers dirt cheap oil.

>>11582

Obviously a government can't do this because the moment they acquire a monopoly on something, it becomes a monopoly of force/bans competition (like the US postal service in response to private shipping companies offering cheaper prices in the 80s/90s), not to mention they just tax more if they fail to turn a profit.

Even with that, peer-to-peer technology (by its very decentralized nature) is beginning to break monopolies of force held by the govt., and they can't do anything because people prefer said peer-to-peer services (such as Uber over taxi cartels).

>>11613

Because, if they're not competitive, someone else is just going to come along and take all their customers away by not sucking as much.

>>11614

Think about it, even with all the regulations and benefits that Comcast recieves, they're STILL losing customers at extremely fast rates because they're complete shit, despite being a monopoly.

Or take Goodwill. The company understands it can't accurately predict sales over the entire US, so every region has its own set of CEOs/owners who just pay X dollars a year to use the brand name/recieve help from the main branch in the North East.

I find them to be the most sympathetic of the hard right by far, as they still believe in small government and personal freedom. While I am completely understanding of them wanting to preserve American culture, their "no immigration except from the Eurozone and other >white countries" doesn't make sense. If the point is to preserve culture, you may as well not have any immigration at all because European cultures are quite different. While I do think immigration needs to be controlled, I still think assimilation is equally possible with non-European immigrants as European ones. Immigration should ideally be a meritocracy (the standards are debatable though). I would need to study paleoconservatism a bit further to find other flaws though.

But yeah, paleocons are welcome here, just like everyone else here. We could use a slightly wider range of viewpoints.

>>11646

This. Danes have strict immigration, but they don't give a shit about your skin color, their only rules are that foreigners have to be a net economic benefit to live with natives.

>>11566

The more the merrier m80. So what kind of governments do paleoconservatives hope for? I haven't met any before.

>>11616

Have Comcast, can confirm their shit service has meant a lot of people in my area have left them. I may join them soon too. Man, Comcast has such incredible governmental ties - like that one woman who OK'd the takeover of another company and immediately quit her government job for one in Comcast with high pay. They just squander it on being shit, and it's losing them millions. Shit's kind of funny tbh

Social conservatism, at least the authoritarian version of it, disgusts me on an instinctual level. I guess since I'm a fucked up neet and I'd probably be the third herded into the castration machines after the blacks and the gays.

Is there an actual term for a closed borders libertarian?

>>11934

Without any social hangups I mean.

>>11934

Libertarian.

https://mises.org/library/nations-consent-decomposing-nation-state-0

>>11934

Fascist :^)

>>11934

I see nothing wrong with a minarchy protecting its borders.

>>11934

Autist

>>12019

>"kike"

>"autist"

nice, still jelly as fuark.

this guy can only speak in expletives.

this is him

>>12018

>>12036

It's an ancap "false-flagging."

>>12039

The ancap who admitted to false flagging said he only did it two times.

>>12070

It's called AnCap "False-Flagging".

>>12076

Fuck off, you dirty, smelly shitposter.

>>12036

fag