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 No.12122

What's wrong with a central bank?

 No.12124

they're fuggen gay xddd

A free market of competing currencies would present better incentives than our current socialist-lite system of near infinite regulation of banks coupled with a centralized institution of currency debasement doing everything it can to steal from the people without alerting them to that fact.

I recommend

http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap01p1.html

Henry Hazlitt, "Economics in One Lesson"

also

http://contrakrugman.com/

muh based Tom Woods & Robert Murphy


 No.12128

>>12122

For starters, I'd rather not have the record of my productive contributions to society and my subsequent claim on some portion of economic production be controlled by a group of unaccountable central planners with the power to write whatever number they want into their own balance.

Also, more recommended reading on the history of the US Dollar (and money in general):

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/What%20Has%20Government%20Done%20to%20Our%20Money_3.pdf


 No.12133

>>12122

It's not a central "bank"

It's legalized money laundering.


 No.12136

It's a bank.


 No.12140

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>>12122

Lets actually try to answer this from an economic perspective instead of throwing around memes. Steve Horrowitz, despite being Jewish, has excellent incites into this matter.

A bank has two goals:

1) Store your money and ensure it is safe. This is sort of just the side-job of banks.

2) Loan out that money on potentially successful business ventures (or just payable loans) with a predetermined amount of interest for various factors in order to pay employee wages, give you interest for keeping money with the bank, and generally just allowing them to run on an effective business model. This is the important part of banks and what allows them to work.

The system of banking used by virtually all banks today is called "fractional reserve banking" and it's not bad in its own right. The general idea is that the banks know approximately how much they have to loan out, and how much total is in their coffers in case someone asks for money. With this in mind, the bank might loan out more than it has to loan out as a fraction of its total savings. This allows the bank to engage in bigger business ventures/loans that it otherwise would be unable to do. It keeps track of all of this via "paper money" so to speak, though with the modern age it's all digital.

Fractional reserve banking is actually extremely useful as it allows a bank to fund multiple business ventures that could lead to greater profits, and greater products and quality of life for customers down the line. Ideally, the bank keeps a close eye on each business venture to make sure that they're doing well and to make sure they get their money back in 99% of situations. The citizens are happy to use paper currency knowing they can get its worth out at any time if they so desire.

The trick with fractional reserve banking is that it only works when projections for the future are good. If they're bad, banks don't invest as much and the system self-corrects. Unfortunately, sometimes banks ignore the market, and when it comes time for customers to demand their money, the bank plays dumb because it's absolutely bankrupt from lending out all of its money like dumbasses. This is where banks fail and merchants are hung. People lose their businesses, but balance is restored for the most part.

Now, some people began to say "gee, fractional reserve banking works great on a local scale. Lets do it on a national scale!" and so they did. Unfortunately, the issue with centralized authority is it sucks are managing regions and tries to streamline the system in order to maximize production (such as the invention of credit cards which are literally just instantaneous microloans without any or with very poor background checks). So all these malinvestments occur, and the bank has to increase the amount of currency in the air (printing money) to make the economy look better and keep business investments high. If they suddenly stop increasing, the banks are in really fucking deep shit and so are the nations.

So eventually the banks try to stealthily get off of an official value-based currency (the switch from gold to fiat) in order to have less responsibility, and continue on with their bullshit.

Eventually though, all those malinvestments come to bite them in the ass (the recession), and they demand government bailouts to keep them afloat (nevermind the thousands of government regulations that allow their bullshit and irresponsible practices). Eventually, the public loses trust in them (which is why all alternative currencies except bitcoin to date have been heavily persecuted by the government. Bitcoin would be too if its creator wasn't virtually anonymous), and "pulls out" their money anyways, causing a gigantic fucking collapse as it's realized that the banks were increasingly lending out more and more money than they had at higher and higher inflation rates.

Like Keynesian economics, central banking is great on paper and works great when you can keep pumping money into it, but the moment reality strikes, it falls flat on its face. AnCaps/Libertarians try to justify this by keeping the banks localized so disasters are localized. Meanwhile, leftists use banking as the prime example of the "failures of capitalism" nevermind the fact that they actually provide a useful function that highly benefits society when the banking leaders use it in moderation.


 No.12163

>>12140

Quality fucking post anon. Excellently put.


 No.12167

>>12140

>>12163

Agreed. 5 star post. Would read again. Added it here, so others may read it:

>>12166


 No.12204

>>12124

>socialist-lite

Define "socialism"


 No.12208

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>>12204

Any increase in government power is one step farther away from Voluntaryism and closer to socialism.


 No.12213

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 No.12225

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>>12213

Pls go anarkiddie

>left-communism

The shiggyist of diggys


 No.12226

>>12208

You know worker coops? That is literally socialism, that is all socialism is.


 No.12228

>>12213

>muh wage slavery

Oh no, all these people are offering me opportunities to make use of their tools and be awarded the majority of the profits of those tools (in a competitive market) I'm being enslaved!

Was I enslaved before or after I was given job opportunities by men and women who are in the business of delivering the efforts of my work to customers, or was it only after I started working, or was the very act of a businessperson working decades to accumulate wealth antithetical to your theory of property which can be boiled down to

>GIBS ME DAT


 No.12230

>>12226

No, socialism is forcibly revoking massive amounts of voluntarily acquired property because the idea of some people (not leftists) being able to reap the rewards of their intelligence, hard work, and even a bit of luck is deadly to the leftist who does not want a world of free competition, competition would allow for their complete ineptitude to be spotted by any and everyone; even a beta-max gene set like the one leftists have wants to survive, if it can't compete legitimately, the solution is to say that all competition IS PURE EVIL, YOU ARE EXPLOITINGS, BOURGOUISESCUMGIVEEVERYTHINGTOPROLE

Basically leftist opposition to systems that encourage competition and reward hard work and generally does not reward stupidity and ineptitude is a pragmatic decision for their own well-being, a leftist's sexual market value is far higher in a system where an individual's success is independent of their ability, because no evil businessmen can out compete them. This is just like how women will vote for birth-control and shitloads of welfare, people vote to increase their sexual market value (it's why successful men would generally avoid votes to increase taxation, that hurts them financially which also hurts their sexual market value.)

Leftists do not want the market to ferret out all of their many and varied flaws. Leftists do not want a fair fight. They would rather cheat than lose fairly. They would rather everyone be poor than have the pretty girl down the block marry someone more successful than they are. They would rather create a system of "equality" of outcome that is absolutely terrible in terms of wasted resources and loss of innovation, such costs are inconsequential if you're a complete fucking loser who lacks all empathy and has only ever-growing envy towards those who are more successful than they.


 No.12232

>>12230

Wrong

Worker ownership of the means of production and nothing more

>>12228

Working for the benefit of someone else with your benefit being continuing to live is quite literally slavery


 No.12252

>>12228

filtered


 No.12372

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>>12228

>>12230

Commie is well-known for being a shitposter. Why are you replying?


 No.12565

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>>12230

>being this politically illiterate


 No.12566

>>12232

this shitposting faggot only had to make one post with one sentence to btfo you


 No.12592

>>12565

He brings up a good point though that I think a lot of socialists ignore.

Personal property is not the same as private property, and without strong property rights (which socialism can have, but are by the nature of socialism never as strong as they can be in some other systems), people will try to only get away with subsistence-level work in most cases.

Property rights give people a reason to invest in themselves and the community.


 No.12701

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A den of vipers and thieves


 No.13028

>>12372

It's fun to pick on retards.


 No.13051

>>12226

> that is all socialism is.

Wrong.


 No.13093

>>13051

no u

>>13028

Which is why i enjoy this board, you're retards and I'm le bully


 No.13102

>>13093

>implying you aren't wrong


 No.13104

>>13102

>implying you aren't retarded


 No.13122

>>13104

monkey see, monkey do!


 No.13183

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 No.13230

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So there would be no economics repercussions to getting rid of the federal reserve?


 No.13247

>>13230

>I have a disease

>the doctor says I will have to get painful surgery, and it will hurt

>nope, I'd rather skip the surgery and wait for my eminent death than endure pain and live again


 No.13318

>>13230

Eh that cartoon is a tail wagging a dog.


 No.13947

>>12140

I just wanted to point out that when journalists tried to discover the creator of BitCoin, they raided his house.

Further proof if anyone needs it.




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