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 No.12649

Are open borders really a Libertarian talking point or just an opinion? What do you think on the issue of borders, /liberty/?

Do different standards apply to Europe and America?

 No.12650

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Well, generally, open borders are an issue when you have a massive welfare state which is something libertarians oppose. The point is, having removed it, immigrants will have to find a productive place in society if they really want to stay.

Also in a free society you can be as racist as you want as long as you directly don't hurt others, so you can choose not to hire immigrant workers in your business (mexicans in the US, moors in Europe). You can also choose not to buy their products and even associate with others in order to promote a boycott them.

Basically you could even have segregation and they'd really have it hard to stay unless they proved to be more productive and people really wanted them.

Libertarianism in practice puts up higher barriers to immigration than national states today do. Also ""refugees"" won't come if nobody is giving them shit. Those fuckers want welfare states and free shit, that's why they're primarily going to Germany.


 No.12652

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 No.12656

Borders that limit the movement of human beings: okay, highly recommended.

Borders that limit the flow of capital: tools of the devil, should be abolished.


 No.12657

>>12656

Human capital is still capital. It's like saying having oil under your soil is bad because you lack the means to extract it. Without protectionist policies full employment becomes a reality and then increased human capital is followed by a steady wealth generation and prosperity.

Lefties got it right in theory but fuck up by supporting protectionist economics due to lack of foresight or just being populistic enough to not give a fuck about what happens when they're not the ones in power.


 No.12658

>>12650

This poster sums it up real nice.

>>12656

And this poster is a faggot. Granting economic liberties without individual liberties is only justifiable when one takes some kind of consequentialist stance, and I hate consequentialist politics.


 No.12664

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12649

I didn't realize this was posted yesterday.


 No.12671

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>the invisible walls

Bern em down


 No.12673

>>12671

>Implying they're invisible

Ethnic, cultural, religious, geographic, etc. borders all exist, even if there are arbitrary political ones. A mountain or river is pretty damn visible.


 No.12689

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>>12649

>Europe

Europes boarders are already open :DDDDDD


 No.12712

>>12658

Economical liberties and individual liberties are the same thing, faggot.

>hurrdurr you are wrong because I don't like what you are saying


 No.12719

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>>12650

Summed up my opinion perfectly anon.


 No.12725

>>12712

I was supporting your point, you fucking retard.


 No.12760

>>12712

If they are the same thing but not a synonym, then you have contradicted yourself and revealed the opposite to be true.


 No.12780

In a nation with no welfare and an armed citizenry, most of filtration work will have already been done for you. At this point, an immigration system would mostly serve to limit it to a stable amount and make sure people who have marketable skills and know the language are the ones who get in.


 No.15639

well there wouldnt be state-capitalism entities fucking with developing nations in africa, middle east or latin america as long as the NAP is respected, but even now such thing is not respected

as you can see by spooked cunts like >>12650 and its replies it wont be respected without a goverment either


 No.15640

>>12673

well spooked


 No.15646

>>12760

Whoa semantics

Quick, someone grab a dictionary, it's time fro PHILOSOPHY


 No.17640

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Open borders are the dumbest mistake leftietarians made, and there's nothing intrinsically libertarian about the idea. Foreigners have a right to leave their countries, but they don't have a right to invade countries where they are not welcome.

Open-borders advocates want to welcome a foreign invasion which would create a far worse statist government than what we already have in white countries. And no, the abolition of the welfare state would not, by itself, put an end to mass immigration. A minarchist country would be a magnet for unskilled immigrants fleeing from third-world shitholes,but who don't understand why those countries are shitholes in the first place. Soon after, the welfare state would come back, not to speak of massive criminality, all kinds of widespread disgusting behaviour and eventually a foreign tyranny, either by democratic means or by coup d'etat.

In an ancap country everything would be private property, so the wetbacks would be trespassing. Yes, citizens would have a right to invite foreign workers into their property, but only insofar as they don't become a physical threat to other citizens.




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