/liberty/ - Liberty

The only common human function is to believe oneself superior.

Giving birth to a child is immoral.

>>13077

Not a leftist

>>13077

If you're right wing you go2gulag

>>13096

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>>13092

What you said was a descriptive statement, not a normative statement. My post was an imperative, so it was normative. Therefore, your post merely reinforces the barbarism of leftism, whereas mine declares the virtue of an hero when you're a dirty lefty.

>>13099

2gulag w/ u

>>13108

>hide post

>>13108

you're like a monkey

you ape and mock

everytime I see the red flag, I know I'm dealing with animals.

Everytime.

>>13096

In the first paragraph you basically claim people should be communists and then you call communists bad? Are you retarded?

>>13077

You should do it anyway.

>>13123

How the hell does that in any way endorse communism:

>Altruism is bad because people is forced to sacrifice themselves for others instead of living for their own sake. People should be "egoistic", which means have their own values instead of other people being the values themselves.

>>13129

>Exploitation is bad because people is forced to sacrifice themselves for others instead of living for their own sake. People should be egoists, which means have their own values (revolutionary self-theory) instead of other people/concepts being the values themselves (ideology).

>>13120

Says the nigger

>>13133

>Exploitation is bad because people is forced to sacrifice themselves for others instead of living for their own sake.

So socialism is actually an egoist ideology? Sorry, but I call bullshit on that one. Concepts like "punching up", i.e. fucking with people who are (supposedly) stronger than you for the sake of it, or privilege, are commonly espoused by leftists. Moreover, equality is a leftist value; in fact, some lose their shit over any kind of power imbalance. Not to mention that your idea of outlawing exploitation is inherently paternalistic. All of this does not sound the slightest bit individualistic to me.

Also, what is revolutionary self-theory?

>>13133

you're just categorizing and not thinking.

go read a few books

>>13161

I'm basing my answer on the image in your post.

Objectivists do not see human beings as cattle, and are not concerned with others unless they can impart them a value. In the market this is money, and this is the base for capitalism. We do not advocate forcing nor educating people forcibly. Their lives are their own, they may do as they wish.

The man according to you is not an individual, but a complete leech who happens to have greater skills than the people beneath him. He is still shown to be dependent on other people, not in the form of money or any goods, but simply because they are inferior to him. He wishes to bind his own life with them and not stand up on his own. He imparts a value and gets nothing in return. That is altruism. Objectivism stands for rational selfishness.

>>>/objectivism/

>>13161

This image presents a convincing argument, but I don't think it's an argument for socialism. What I have heard about statist socialism is that the strong would be forced to work for the weak, which would make them the slaves. In fact, one book I've read went out of its way to describe why it can't be attributed to you when you are good at something. In other words, it claimed that what this posts described as "masters" did nothing to earn their position.

I believe the case is more effective for libertarians.

>>13161

>>13166

>>13179

I'm having a hard time understanding what the fuck is Stirner supposed to support. Haven't read him yet.

Is "The Ego and His Own" a good starting point to Stirner or will he just fuck my head up?

>>13180

anything that tells you your life is worthless will fuck you up.

btw, any socialist/commie/nazi books never have any convincing arguments, just logical fallacies based on arbitrary absolutes.

>>13187

Epic, simply epic.

>>13180

Just go and read it. If you know German, read the original. If you need context and interested in a good interpretation, check out Max Stirner's Dialectical Egoism by John F. Welsh.

>>13166

Objectivism stands for capitalist "selfishness". There's nothing rational or egoist in letting the market dictate your desires and values. You are so dependent on the market, you can't even imagine people being independent and benefiting in exchanges without monetary return.

>>13221

Why do you need free stuff so bad?

>>17779

Absolutism is tyranny of mind, internalized tyranny.

>>13180

I'm currently reading The Ego and His Own. I recommend you do too. So far the message I'm getting from Stirner is that there is nothing higher or more sacred than the individual. The only cause that matters is your own cause. Therefore, you must see to yourself before you see to others. If your desire and cause is to help others, then do so. Don't help others because you're expected to.

>>17784

I used to hate that edgemaster meme but I feel more and more drawn to posting it as the spooks get bigger and scarier.