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 No.13149

So leftists call any profiting off of someone's labor exploitation with regards to capitalists. Basically, if you're presently doing (from the leftist's perspective) "nothing" to profit off of something you have, you're an exploiter, and we must violently appropriate your property to remedy this economic inequality.

I'm inclined to say, even if a relationship fits some leftist's definition of "exploitation:" so what? As long as it's voluntary, who cares if both sides are free to leave and end the relationship; but let's take it for granted that if something fits the leftist definition of exploitation it's evil and universalize the principle: exploitative relationships warrant a revocation of property rights/complete disregard for them.

Let's say Jane is Joe's wife, and she's the only other woman for hundreds of miles on the frontier, and will only have sex with Joe, a cattle rancher, in exchange for 10 healthy cows being put in her name (she would otherwise have little property); just to preempt any crude suggestions, we'll say the cows have feline AIDs that are transmissible to humans so that's not an option for Joe. Jane did not let on that this would be her standard prior to marriage, and divorce (for the sake of this thought experiment) is forbidden. This is an exorbitant rate, even with what cattle are worth today. Even though Joe is a generally great guy, this woman refuses to allow Joe access to her body, her property, and is trying to extort his surplus value in exchange for access to her vagina, something she didn't even earn! It was just given to her by biology, the effort she put towards maintaining her vagina is far less than the effort a person has to put forward to save enough money and build enough experience to gain access to a significant quantity of capital goods. Jane is trying to take a massive amount of resources from Joe in exchange for access to her property, logically speaking, this is a form of exploitation that would justify Joe forcing himself upon Jane if she won't allow Joe access to the means of copulation. This is far worse than denying someone access to means of production because means of copulation are not earned by literally any of the people that possess them.

Let's just make it clear, I don't actually think rape is morally acceptable, this is just a reductio ad absurdum.

Another example. Let's say we have two proles, Nedey and Eyntitled (woman and man respectively), Nedey offers Eyntitled 50 trillion rubles to protect her while she makes 1,000 trillion rubles whoring herself out. Exploitation! Why should Nedey profit off of the means of copulation while Nedey is having his surplus protection value exploited, clearly Eyntitled is justified in making a sex slave out of Nedey.

Another example, let's say Prole Ayy offers Prole Lmao 5 apples in exchange for 100 oranges. Clearly this would be an exploitative relationship, so Prole Lmao is justified in taking the 5 apples by force and telling Prole Ayy to go fuck himself.

Checkmate, leftists, your theory of exploitation justifies force = retarded.

Just in general, the idea that we must resolve economic inequality with a coercive inequality is insane.

 No.13150

I haven't even finished reading it and I can tell you there's two issues, fellow Voluntarist;

1) They'd probably say Jane's body is personal property

2) Lefties don't actually give a shit about ideological consistency. They'll do whatever the fuck they want when their ideology is hindering them.


 No.13151

>>13150

The real question is if a prostitute's body is a means of production.


 No.13156

As long as there is "personal" property and allowence of trade of that, there is "exploitation"

As long as a worker gets equals shares of a Factory for doing nothing but joining there is "exploitation".

As long as populism decides about distribution of resources there is "exploitation".

As long as your commune cares for somone who cannot work for their "fair share" there is "exploitation",


 No.13162

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>>13151

Hands are means of production too.


 No.13163

You missed the much simpler argument.

A job is little more than providing a service for someone in exchange for something else of value. In this case, that person is an employer and the item of value is money. Now yes, the employer can give you a sour deal (i.e. "exploit you"). It sucks, but trying to design a system that makes sure nobody, regardless of how much of a gullible dumbfuck they are, never gets swindled would require a ridiculous level of micromanagement that nothing other than an Orwellian surveillance state could accomplish it.


 No.13167

>>13162

A PC without a power supply is a means of production too


 No.13172

>>13151

>>13167

>>13162

Nobody cares as long as it's not private property.


 No.13175

>>13172

Except if a PC is inherently not a private means of production, than you've opened up the door for factories not being means of production. Your goal of making a "practical" answer to your theoretical problem shoots yourself in the foot.


 No.13217

>>13175

The problem is private ownership of the means of production.

Personal ownership of the means of production is okay. (I.e., when there's no exploitation.)

Now go and end your life.


 No.13237

>>13175

If you want a factory that you yourself use and fuck around with and you're the only one in it working it, go ahead. Same thing with your PC.


 No.13243

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>>13149

>just to preempt any crude suggestions, we'll say the cows have feline AIDs that are transmissible to humans so that's not an option for Joe.


 No.13246

>>13217

Your computer used as a means of production was produced by someone else.

>>13237

By your logic, the machinist who built the factory robots and the people who helped build the factory building and the guy who built your computer all do not deserve compensation if the factory turns a profit. My question is why is it different? Is it because they have a contract?

By your own logic, you justify the wage slavery your private-personal dichotomy aims to destroy. Do you not see your own hypocrisy?

Either the miner of the materials, computer specialist, and everyone inbetween deserves a share of your profit (making your incentive to innovate near zero), or you accept that only the factory workers deserve a share of the profit, meaning either that you fail to realize the workers are under contract, or your views are inconsistent with the personal-private dichotomy.


 No.13250

>>13217

>Personal ownership of the means of production is okay. (I.e., when there's no exploitation.)

You fucking retards can't define these terms worth shit, can you?

Personal Property = You possess and use something

Private Property = You don't possess and use something, but it's still regarded as your property

Exploitation is the consequence of allowing private property (according to your theories), NOT the defining characteristic of it! Definitions have to be as concise and precise as possible, something you stupid lefties don't seem to get.


 No.13254

>>13250

>Personal Property = You possess and use something

>Private Property = You don't possess and use something, but it's still regarded as your property

Gonna have to give you an F. You can do better than this.


 No.13255

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>>13254

>Personal Property = Ur properteh

>Private Property = Le spooky means of exploitating of the working class!!!!1

Do I get an A now?


 No.13259

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>>13255

>Le spooky


 No.13429

You better believe prostitution will be aggressively pressured against in any communalist setting, not because of the tortured and inane unlogic you've cooked up of women as whore exploiters but because prostitution has historically been a subset of the institution of slavery and human trafficking, let's not mince words here.

The local town bike won't get rich off the backs of the poor men, she'll get manipulated and abused, addicted to drugs and saddled with bastard children, fun fun fun.


 No.13430

>>13429

Except that's the opposite of what happens.




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