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 No.13513

It's pretty clear that Kyubey was a libertarian, constantly trying to coerce Madoka into a "mutually beneficial, voluntary" contract.

But does that mean that Madoka was a communist?

 No.13514

No one cares.


 No.13524

>>13514

No need to be so butthurt.


 No.13529

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Kyubey did nothing wrong. They wrre just trying to prevent the heat-death of the universe.

And it speaks eons about the success of libertarianism when we can become hyperdimensional space pusheens by applying our logic to society.

I am completely alright with this.


 No.13549

>Madoka accepts libertarian contract

>becomes literally God

Makes sense to me.


 No.13558

>>13549

>uses her power to make exploitation impossible


 No.13567

>>13558

Except they just change the name of the game.


 No.13572

Evangelion is a much better example of a libertarian anime tbh, Shinji basically rejects the death of individuality in the collectivist utopia of the Tang where the boundaries of individuals are erased (extreme collectivisation) for the imperfect human world of self-ownership


 No.13579

>>13529

Kyubey totally lied, though. In some cases it was more explicit than others, but they consistently and knowingly presented the information to the other party in such a way that they didn't even begin to understand the circumstances of the agreement (and could not reasonably be expected to). They're also essentially the only sources for this information available on the entire planet.

Besides, if they're so fucking advanced, they could presumably be spending a bit more time trying to find a solution to the problem that doesn't involve tormenting and eventually killing little girls. It's not like the universe is even 1% of the way toward its heat death; if anything, they should just be making sure humanity flourishes so that they'll have a virtually unlimited supply if it actually does start to get too close for comfort.

Now that I think about it, it'd probably work out better for the Magical Girls, too. Vastly more candidates means you'd get more people who are actually willing to accept the contract without being lied to.

Basically, Kyubey committed magical fraud and would still be retarded even if that weren't the case.


 No.13587

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Was Homu coercive in the ending of Rebellion and/or did she do nothing wrong?


 No.13588

Kyubey was a collectivist hive mind and did not understand the concept of individualism. Effectively the opposite of libertarian.


 No.13600

>>13588

> collectivist hive mind

Uh, that's just a Marketplace Of Ideas.


 No.13607

>>13572

>the collectivist utopia of the Tang

My sides have been pierced by the Lance of Longinus.


 No.13612

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>>13579

>Kyubey totally lied, though.

Pardon me since I haven't watched it in forever, but I'm pretty sure she never lied- it's just the girls never asked to read the fine print on their magical girl contracts.

>but they consistently and knowingly presented the information to the other party in such a way that they didn't even begin to understand the circumstances of the agreement (and could not reasonably be expected to).

By that logic, I'm assuming you're against all criminal sentencing where the criminal is not fully aware of the fact that they might get the death penalty for committing a crime? After all, the courts or lawyer might have consistently and knowingly presented the information to the criminal prior in such a way that they didn't even begin to understand the circumstances of the agreement (if you commit X crime, we will kill you).

Access to the information isn't an issue or for those who believe in it, a "violation of the NAP" so to speak. The magical girls had the opportunity to ask for the full terms of the contract (Kyubey would have never explained it to whatsherface if it was keeping information from them), they just chose not to, and instead chose to blindly sign a contract because feels. In a court of law in an anarchist/minarchist society, using common law as the basis that most anarchist/minarchist courts run on, Kyubey would be cleared of all charges. They might nullify the contract, but even then they'd pretty much say "we can't repair the damage that has been done by you being an idiot. Sorry."

>Besides, if they're so fucking advanced, they could presumably be spending a bit more time trying to find a solution to the problem that doesn't involve tormenting and eventually killing little girls.

A) They probably were

B) To them, little girls on earth would be the equivalent of cows or pigs for us. They're not advanced enough to be considered a valid life form much in the same way we say that killing an animal for meat isn't a violation of the NAP because cows/pigs aren't valid life forms with equivalent weight to human lives. Literally no difference, anon. You'd kill a cow or pig in an instant if you thought it would save your children's life. Keep in mind Kyubey had been doing this since caveman times, so it's obvious (to me) that its species must have extremely long lifespans.

>they should just be making sure humanity flourishes so that they'll have a virtually unlimited supply if it actually does start to get too close for comfort.

Magical girls are doing just that via the nature of their contract.

>>13588

I'd argue that Kyubey wasn't necessarily a collectivist hivemind, just that its concept of individuals was different from ours. See above, humans to Kyubey are like chickens to us. We don't think about each individual chicken's life. We think about how the lives of those chickens will benefits our society (or at least "our farm" or "my family") when slaughtered.


 No.13615

>>13612

>pretty sure she never lied

There was absolutely deceit involved. The idea of Magical Girls becoming Witches is outright ignored, as well as the fact that it happens automatically if you don't keep fighting Witches.

>where the criminal is not fully aware of the fact that they might get the death penalty for committing a crime?

Crimes are completely different from contracts. Also, crimes aren't wrong because there's a penalty for them; there's a penalty for them because they're wrong.

>The magical girls had the opportunity to ask for the full terms of the contract

There was no reason to believe that there were any other terms to the contract, because Kyubey straight-up lied to them about it and was literally the only source of information available on the subject. It would be like including information on a contract in invisible ink rather than fine print: Kyubey never even implied half the shit that goes on with Magical Girls and Witches, he just left out incredibly vital information.

>A) They probably were

Then the show should have somehow suggested that.

>B) To them, little girls on earth would be the equivalent of cows or pigs for us.

Kyubey was never shown to be on a higher level of intelligence; they were just way more technologically advanced. They never had any trouble relating to humans, and humans never had any trouble relating to them, so I'm led to believe that the two are on roughly the same level of intellect.

Also, most arguments in favor of humans having the right to life that I'm aware of don't rely on the fact that we're intelligent relative to animals. The presence of sapience, the ability to argue in favor of your rational self-interest, and the capacity to resolve disputes nonviolently are the only requirements I've heard. If a life form came about that met those requirements but was not as intelligent as a human, I would support its right to life just the same.

>You'd kill a cow or pig in an instant if you thought it would save your children's life.

This ignores the fact that there is absolutely no sense of urgency whatsoever. If my child's life were going to be threatened in fifty years, and I could put a stop to it by killing a cow at any point before that time, and I had a supply of cows that wouldn't run out so long as I paid even the slightest bit of attention, I'd probably kill the cow sometime during year forty-nine if I were being extra safe about my kid (if I were to die before then, I'd just leave it in my will that someone slaughter a cow to save my child's life at some point before the date in-question). And there's exponentially more urgency in the scenario I just described than there is in Kyubey's case.

The Incubators were dicks for no reason.

>Magical girls are doing just that via the nature of their contract.

Again, it's unnecessary. With minor supervision, the Incubators could insure humanity's long-term prosperity. Sending little girls to their deaths some 10^50 years before the heat death of the universe (bearing in-mind the universe itself is around 14 billion years old) is not the best way to handle the situation.


 No.13616

>>13615

>They never had any trouble relating to humans

I should mention that this is only with regards to communicating with them. They obviously don't have a full understanding of human emotion.


 No.13623

>>13616

So in other words, they had trouble relating to humans you fucking hypocrite.


 No.13625

>>13623

That would be why I corrected myself. Chill out.

Besides, the important part of what I said still stands: They aren't "above" us inherently (not that this matters in the first place), they're just more technologically advanced. Hell, they certainly aren't better at logic, because they're going about solving their problem in a horribly inefficient manner. The only other possibility I can see is that they know they're being inefficient/short-sighted and are just huge cunts, but that pretty majorly goes against their characterization.


 No.13638

lol niggers this is just chinese cartoons

posting 678 paragraphs and shit

>>13612

>>13615

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 No.13642

>>13638

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 No.13713

This was a fun idea.




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