/liberty/ - Liberty

you double posting faggot

>>13684

butthurt STEMfag

I used to think exactly like you, OP.

Then I realized that the liberal arts actual liberal arts, not illiberal gender and cultural studies bullshit built western civilization, and thus are needed for western civilization. This realization got me into economics, philosophy, and most recently theology. You'll find that many great far-right folks are part of the liberal arts, but tend to keep their voices down because they prefer rationality over insults and niggery. Liberal Arts such as economics and philosophy will provide you with an alternative way of thinking that helps sculpt your professional self to accomodate your STEM stuff.

Keep in mind that all great thinkers and scientists dabbled at least for a time in the Liberal Arts, OP.

>>13684

>>13687

More importantly I'd ask you to look at Edison and Tesla. Why was Edison successful where Tesla failed? Because Edison was educated in the liberal arts via his mother/being an autodidact, and didn't go full autismo in his pursuit of knowledge.

Are you going deep into econ or are you judging the whole field by 101-level classes?

>you faggots force me to take this bs when all I want to do is science and math

Well I guess that explains it. You can boil pretty much any STEM field down to that level if you need to teach it to children or retards.

>>13690

I always feel lucky knowing I only had to learn a handful of core subjects in High School and Uni when I think about how nations like the Soviet Union had 27 core subjects of which you had to pass all of them in order to go to the next grade level.

>>13692

Or perhaps I should say unlucky?

>>13690

Pfthahahaha. Then it's not STEM, it's infotainment. Meanwhile econ is for retards as history has repeatedly demonstrated as you morons repeatedly bring about financial disasters.

>>13697

>history has repeatedly demonstrated as you morons repeatedly bring about financial disasters.

What economic theories are you talking about specifically?

>>13694

>>13695

>Tesla was rejected because his thoughts and imaginations didn't make profits

>Post yfw Tesla would have been able to express and create the society he dreamed of-

>under communism.

>>13700

Nothing surprising here, great men can only realize their potential under communism. Under capitalism, they are slaves to the demands of the mob.

>>13700

He wouldn't, because you bitches would've let Eddison, an opportunistic asshole, sit in glorious committee of the doing science. Ruthless assholes exist in any economic or political system, but the ones that do exist flourish under authoritarianism.

>>13700

Also, what part of

>Edison made a lot of money by abusing the patent system

and

>Libertarians usually want to abolish the patent system

did you not understand?

>>13702

>Nothing surprising here, great men can only realize their potential under communism. Under capitalism, they are slaves to the demands of the mob.

Welcome to democracy. It's fucking mob rule by definition.

>>13702

Under communism, inventors are slaves to the whims of central planners.

The market appreciates great men naturally through competition. The mob vote with their wallets, making great capitalists and failed capitalists through simple consumer choice. This doesn't always mean that the smartest or most exceptional men win, but it at least keeps the game in the hands of fallible people and not a fallible revolutionary clique.

>>13684

If Economics is not a science then why is Austrian economics criticized for not being scientific enough?

>>13739

If there is no god why are atheists criticized for being ungodly?

checkm8

>>13694

>>13695

When The Oatmeal is your entire knowledge on Tesla and Edison, it's not hard to see why you can't see the good that Edison brought onto the world. Edison successfully developed plenty of technology that was new and innovative in his youth, but after a freak accident on a farmer's fields via one of his experiments, and after his electronic voting apparatus was denied by the voting commission, he learned to only make inventions that were both practical and based on field experience.

>His improvement on the light bulb was based on trying every material he could find

Exactly how many scientists do things to this day. It's called the "brute force" method and it's how many computing technologies function to this day.

>Edison embodies everything wrong with the tech industry.

The man who vowed his life to only creating practical inventions rather than acting on whims?

The man who valued mother nature and wanted to live in symbiosis with it instead of trying to be above nature?

The man who inspired Ford?

The man who, while serving on the Naval board for wartime technologies, refused to approve any offensive technology, only defensive technologies that would save lives?

The man who was one of the first to offer his employees unemployment, severance, and disability pay before it was ever mandated by a governing body?

The man who spent countless years in mental anguish after finding out his experimentation with X-rays made one of his friends blind, and wished he had never undergone the research because of this?

The man who provided cheap, easily affordable and easily produced homes to the masses because he spent his life as an entrepreneur/inventor to improve the life of the average working class man?

The man who personally funded other's experiments to advance humanity using his wealth, and who helped inspire Richard Feynman's development of nanotechnology theory?

The man who was working on creating a US-produced rubber out of goldenrod that would prevent us from having to use synthetic rubbers before unfortunately dying while crossbreeding goldenrod plants?

That is the face you associate with everything wrong with the tech industry!?!?!?

I don't want to know what you consider "right" in the tech industry, but your severe lack of knowledge in the great things Edison did for society is showing from your oatmealy indoctrination.

>>13737

More or less this. No one claims the market was/is perfect, just that it's better than central authority.

>>13751

God you're a moron

>brute-force method

>not the least desirable way of doing things

No one but idiots resort to the brute-force method as it takes forever to get anything done. Take a numerical methods class, dumbass.

>The man who vowed his life to only creating practical inventions rather than acting on whims?

And made none. Instead he fearmongered when his ass got handed to him.

>The man who valued mother nature and wanted to live in symbiosis with it instead of trying to be above nature?

What an idiot. If nature was so great we'd still be rolling in the mud.

>The man who inspired Ford?

Ford was inspired by who he thought Edison was, not who Edison actually was.

>The man who, while serving on the Naval board for wartime technologies, refused to approve any offensive technology, only defensive technologies that would save lives?

Yet radar.

>The man who was one of the first to offer his employees unemployment, severance, and disability pay before it was ever mandated by a governing body?

Hahahaha, he killed his assistant.

>The man who spent countless years in mental anguish after finding out his experimentation with X-rays made one of his friends blind, and wished he had never undergone the research because of this?

Oh god you're gullible nitwit.

>The man who personally funded other's experiments to advance humanity using his wealth, and who helped inspire Richard Feynman's development of nanotechnology theory?

Yeah that's why he paid Tesla for his work. LOL and he offered nothing to Feynmann.

>The man who was working on creating a US-produced rubber out of goldenrod that would prevent us from having to use synthetic rubbers before unfortunately dying while crossbreeding goldenrod plants?

God it's like you get your history from the History channel.

>but your severe lack of knowledge

Says the moron who thinks brute-force isn't frowned upon. Yeah 1/10 for wasting my time.

>>13757

>And made none.

Vid related.

>>13759

>Thinking the lightbulb was Edison's only invention

See >>13758

>>13760

That's rich when you didn't even read what I wrote.

Suck a dick, you fraud peddler.

>>13763

I maybe uncultured but you have trisomy 21. I can always pick up culture if I wanted to bother with that smug nonsesne but your chromosomal issue on the other hand is permanent.

>>13684

> It's just funny noticing the bullshit made to artificially complicated it so economists have a job.

be explicit, give an example of something that's made artificially complicated?

If you're studying econ for an exam then no fucking shit. Every non-essay subject is contrived as fuck when studied formally. Econ theory is pretty simple to understand. Demonstrating that understanding isn't.

I'm doing discrete mathematics at the moment and it's all formalised bullshit. You don't know the meaning of boring.

>>13757

>No one but idiots resort to the brute-force method as it takes forever to get anything done. Take a numerical methods class, dumbass.

What is NP-complete?

>>13763

It would be "ungebildete Schweine", though.

>>13764

Okay, gotta admit, that comment got something to it. Saving it up for the next commie that crawls along.

>>13737

It's pretty clear that we have different concepts of what makes someone great. I don't think the competition of dick sucking, that capitalism is, has anything to do with great men. The masses always have poor taste and will force the artist to mass-produce shit for them unless he wants to starve or give up his craft.

>>13752

They are both shit, thankfully there are better alternatives.

>>13684

It's made artificially complicated to keep people from being interested in jt

>>13788

Capitalism isn't the "competition of dick sucking", it's the competition of doing a better job than your competitors. You're probably thinking of corporatism. You can suck all the dick you want, but unless you work for a dick sucking firm, that's not going to make consumers buy your product. And if you do somehow manage to spontaneously generate a better product/service through sheer number of penises fellated, then congratulations, because you've just completely revolutionized industry as we know it (again, unless your industry is sucking dick, in which case you're just pretty good at your job).

As far as artists go, there has always been cheap entertainment designed to please the masses, but it also tends to be the case that investors are willing to take more risks when the economy doesn't completely suck. Great works of art tend to be risks, from a financial perspective. In fact, I'd say they almost always are. The vidya industry is a perfect example (since that's something people can relate to on most 8ch boards): We're mostly seeing either ultra-generic AAA garbage or cheap indie garbage, in part, because nobody is willing to take risks on more niche, AA titles.

>thankfully there are better alternatives

Friendly reminder that communism has never not been a total disaster.

>>13815

And capitalism has never not turned into corporatism. Something we wish would fail. At least communism crashed. This is an almost permanent cage until the environment fucks up irreversibly.

>>13812

Bet it's hard for a brain dead collectivist

>>13824

Even in corporatism, people's standards of living has increased dramatically.

Food is dirt cheap to the point where everyone is fetting fat.

Purified water is readily available

People can have hobbies like owning shit tons of books or guns at affordable price ranges

Even dirt poor niggers can afford Iphones

I can buy a bottle of wine for less than ever before in history

Living in Colorado, I can buy enough weed to get fucked up for multiple days on end by working a five hour

>>13847

using exodus, accidentally hit send

Five hour shift.

Shit is better than ever allowing people to be more complacent then ever, and socialists are bitching about having to work a 30 hour work week for someone else.

Like, nigga if you're not happy with your paygrade, go somewhere else. Your bullshit wage slave argument is just that- bullshit. Literally I can get a job making more than minimum if I put in the minimum effort to improve myself. Successful people have to fucking work for that success, and people with hobbies for success need to get it through their thick fucking skulls that it's a hobby. If they want to make it a job, they need to invest more than a couple hours a night into that shit.

>>13824

That doesn't make any sense. Are you suggesting that we should go with communism because it will result in countless deaths and a collapsed society? Are you hoping that we would somehow build a utopia out of the wreckage? Because that's not how things went for Russia or any of the other failed communist states that I'm aware of, except the ones that decided to become capitalist (you can see this happening in China right now).

If the only reason capitalism fails is that it's been turning into something that isn't capitalism, then presumably the solution would be to take steps to make sure that people know this so that it doesn't happen again. And the way you keep capitalism from becoming corporatism or something more sinister is to keep the government very small.

>>13847

>>13848

Also this. Capitalism, even in a highly neutered form, has produced the highest standard of living in the world. In America, at least, 67% of the lower class owns a PC and most of them seem to have iPhones and shit like you said. Hell, the biggest health-related issue relating to the poor is obesity.

Henry Hazlitt wrote a book called "economics in one lesson." It's literally 80-90% of information that an average pleb needs to have to understand economics. I know the academic version costs money, but they have a "reduced" version without as many graphs/citations for free.

Reminder that two authoritarian regimes have achieved more technological advancement from 1933 to 1987 than the entirety of decentralized libertarian societies throughout history.

>>13908

Reminder that oke of those regimes simply provided private contracts to do it because they failed when they tried to do it themselves in 99% of scenarios, and the other just stole that technology from others.

Reminder that the industrial revolution in America would have never happened if the British hadn't been rulecucks over their machines in the first place causing inventors and engineers to flee to America so the world could one day experience it.