/liberty/ - Liberty

Climate change causes terrorism.

>>14228

fuck off back to /pol/

>>14227

It's just fearmongering to get more funds

>>14227

>Remind me why a 2 degree celsius temperature rise is the end of the world if we can just move inland and use air conditioners?

I'd actually like to know the same thing.

>>14245

That's the worst caricature I've seen in some time.

>>14245

So… Give all the power to megastructures like the UN?

faggot

>>14250

Or just, you know, abolish capitalism or something.

>>14245

>soon I will be free from the evil bourgeois oppressors

Communist logic.

>>14253

Not possible without abolishing private property, which is a stupid idea.

>>14255

Not really, it's a great idea!

>>14267

Are you retarded?

>>14227

It's not important.

>>14280

>>>/reddit/

>we can just move inland and use air conditioners

I don't think you quite grasp the gravity of the situation.

>"moving inland" throws away inconceivable amounts of wealth in property and infrastructure, markets fucked forever

>those who don't move voluntarily are forced out or die, triggering a diaspora on a level never seen before

>diaspora triggers global conflict as nations protect their resources from the desperate

>the animals don't have air conditioners, so species extinction exponentially increases and we hit a genetic bottleneck

>since albedo makes climate inherently unstable, we get a runaway warming effect that only gets worse (ice melts, more "dark" water absorbs more sunlight, more ice melts, etc.)

And that graph is not really proof of a whole lot. A period of tens of millions of years means things can adapt. This is happening within a period of hundreds of years. Shit's getting fucked real quick on that timescale. Nothing barring humans will be able to adapt, and that's assuming we don't kill each other while doing so. Plus you linked deep ocean temperature, and water is much more stable temperature-wise than land because of its much greater heat capacity.

I just wish we could discuss how we'd deal with this increasingly-pressing issue without toggling islamic gommunism. How do you address a long-term issue that does not generate a whole lot of profit but prevents the loss of great profit (and pretty much everything else)?

Because all of our civilization was built around a fairly stable climate. A change of two degrees will cause and its causing more a more abrupt weather and rising of sea levels, leading to massive destruction of infrastructure, loss of life and displacement of populations, making the economy even more unstable.

>>14311

>Shit's getting fucked real quick on that timescale

Not really. The Earth has experienced rapid temperature increases before without becoming Venus. Faggot.

>"moving inland" throws away inconceivable amounts of wealth in property and infrastructure, markets fucked forever

Abandoning fossil fuels as a form of cheap energy won't keep people in poverty and fuck us over? Sure, whatever you say, shill. Our options are lose shit loads now and abandon fossil fuels and still have ocean levels rise our get as much out of the coastlines we have for the moment, enrich ourselves, have more resources and technology when shit does start to hit the fan, so we can afford the change.

Moving inland is infinitely more economical than trying to run on wind and solar. Solar also is bad for the environment because it requires rare earth metals.

>>14376

>Because all of our civilization was built around a fairly stable climate

Deaths due to climate have decreased. Thanks fossil fuel powered climate controlled houses.

>leading to massive destruction of infrastructure, loss of life and displacement of populations, making the economy even more unstable.

DURR BUT CUTTING CARBON EMISSIONS BY 99% TOTALLY WON'T MAKE THE ECONOMY UNSTABLE

retards

>>14267

these investments prop up private property though

>>14385

Cutting emissions is easy. You can remove the moratorium on nuclear energy and regulations restricting renewables. You can remove the tax incentives for meat producers to cut methane emissions from livestock.

>>14481

>rising sea levels,

Did you expect a 55 million year cooling trend to continue until the heat death of the universe?

>floods, bigger typhoons,

maybe people should stop living in floodplains then

genius

>I live in a highly agricultural country and the effects are ever more palpable

Yes, like the greater amount of CO2 in the air allowing plants to photosynthesize more efficiently? How horrible!

>dont you think that affects investments, projections of growth and inflation?

>inflation

>inflation

top kek now you're really grasping at straws

>>14559

>So the rapid increment in temperature is natural, right?

Oh yeah, that graph of temperatures is super smooth! Temperature changes are always gradual! Oh wait, that's bullshit.

>Climatology papers

Oh, you mean the ones from a government monopoly of academia? And they conclude we need more government intervention? SoOOOooooOOO weeeEEEEEIRD!

Even ignoring earthly heating, acidification of the oceans and pollution in general is still kind of a big deal.

>>14559

She's hot!

>>14579

>acidification of the oceans

The chinks are going to eat all the fish if I don't kill them with carbon emissions. So why should I care?

>pollution in general is still kind of a big deal.

Fair enough, but saying pollution is bad is one thing, saying 2 degrees hotter therefore Earth= Venus is bullshit

The medieval warm period is fake the computer programs used to predict climate trends are legit listen to Bill Nye because he made that cool television show global warming I mean climate change causes terrorism and by the way the debate is over because the consequences of climate change are just so awful we require your tax dollars immediately faggot

So, do we have any actual climatologist here? I want to believe that global warming is a meme, but I'm not exactly knowledgeable on it.

>>14781

>using facebook

>>14593

Overfishing is also a concern, you're right. This doesn't mean we should also ignore potential shellfish extinction.

I'm not completely caught up on the arguments surrounding climate change, but I do imagine that it's not so much that earth is heating up 2 degrees so much that it's heating up 2 degrees at a fast rate, implying even more in a shorter amount of time. That and the potential snowball effect that comes with higher temperatures (i.e. more melted ice = less ice to reflect the sun's rays = more heat = more melted ice).

Everyone ITT is garbage