/liberty/ - Liberty

Technically it would increase in terms of what is currently defined as a crime. Actual crimes would remain at their current rate though (lowering). DUIs for instance would not exist since you haven't harmed anyone by them until an accident happened (you'd probably have just as many social pressures against it though).

>>15013

>>15009

would contextless and vague questions stop in Infinity Next?

>>15009

Decrease. "Crime" is breaking the law and without the state their are no laws to break.

Violence, on the other hand would increase dramatically as individuals starting settling disputes by themselves.

>>15024

>Violence, on the other hand would increase dramatically as individuals starting settling disputes by themselves.

Why do you think they wouldn't settle these disputes in a non-violent fashion?

>>15038

>Sure.. People would have a discussion first, but when they cannot reach a mutually satisfying accord and there is no higher authority to appeal to,, they will resort to force.

Or, you know, find an arbitrator to settle the dispute, and agree to abide by its ruling.

>primitive cultures are rife with violence because of this. Lots of duels, feuds and vendettas.

>the anthropologist,Margret mead ,interviewed young women in New Guinea who had been widowed two or three times because of this method of conflict resolution.

Like you said: Primitive cultures are rife with this. You sure that's not just because they are primitive? There's plenty of examples of private arbitration courts with no state behind them. The brehon laws and the xeer were enforced without a state.

>Did you grow up with siblings? Your own personal experience should enforce this concept. The worst fights you had with your brother were when you were home alone and neither one of you could appeal to mom to settle things..

You're right. Little children are incapable of settling disputes, except with violence. That obviously also means adults are incapable of settling disputes peacefully. Because, like, adults are totally like children.

>The highest murder rates in American history were caused by Prohibition and the crack epidemic. In both cases, there was a very highly profitable black market in which they was no legal authority to settle disputes.

Criminovalent traits include, among other things, a lack of social bonds; opportunistic, unstable relationships (romantic or aromantic); incapability and unwillingness to hold a steady job, or a steady residence. Don't you think that these people are as likely to enter a market that promises easy money at a high risk, with little in the way of education required, as they are too break the face in of people that piss them off? It is exactly government oversight that created the kind of pressure that would drove all law-abiding citizens out of the drug market, leaving only criminals. You don't see the same violence when normal people have disputes, even when going to court is not an option.

>Thomas Hobbes

The guy was a theologican and a philosopher, not a historian, anthropologist or sociologist.

>>15040

>anthropologist or sociologist

Those words didn't even exist when Hobbes was writing. Back then culture and society was studied and written about by philosophers.

Philosophers used to concern themselves with government, economics, and society before philosophy was turned into a head trip party game by post-modernism.

>>15045

>Those words didn't even exist when Hobbes was writing. Back then culture and society was studied and written about by philosophers.

>Philosophers used to concern themselves with government, economics, and society before philosophy was turned into a head trip party game by post-modernism.

That only means he was good for his time, not that he was good. He drew from his own experiences during the civil war, but failed to even consider that this war may have been caused by states, not by their absence.