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 No.15140

Why are the Marxists wrong?

Why are you right?

Even if you reduce government power how does that stop corporations from gaining more power? What regulations exactly keep corporates in power? How do they stifle competition to stay on top in the market? How has government specifically been helping large businesses stay large?

 No.15146

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>Why are the Marxists wrong?

Because all forms of Marxism (that aren't just "I'm high on acid and just ate something off of my shoe" crazy) rely on a central authority to do their job, which falls under the problem of central planning.

We've shown repeatedly throughout history that centralized authorities and central planning don't work. This is why Empires crumble, big businesses have to focus on just surviving instead of innovating if they don't lease out parts of their businesses to smaller businesses (it's also the reason you need a board of directors to run a large business), the federal government can't get anything right, and massive numbers of people starve under communism. It all comes back to the issue of central authority and its attempts to superimpose rules and various factors onto local regions for better or for worse- locals know what's best for them, not some guy in China.

The Marxists that don't rely on a central authority to accomplish their ends typically still rely on a violently coercive society. It's never a matter of "you do your thing and we'll do ours" like what is allowed in Voluntarism. It's "my way or get shot/hung/robbed blind/etc." I can not support any sort of ideologically corrupt entity that relies on violence to get its way. That's what children do.

>Why are you right?

I'm not right and I don't claim to be.

What I do claim is that we can show empirically both via direct examples (actual anarchist societies) and indirect examples (the negative effects of government on a society) that my ideology is not coercive, does not rely on violence to make it happen, and generally leaves 95-98% of the world better off (while the 2-5% who are worse off had virtually no worth, and possibly negative worth to society as it is).

>Even if you reduce government power how does that stop corporations from gaining more power?

Who do you think gave those corporations power to begin with? Voluntarist methods have destroyed yellow cab in San Francisco (via Uber/Lyft) to the point where they had to file for bankruptcy. This was a government-enforced monopoly for the region. I know this is hard to comprehend, but A) Large corporations are not necessarily a bad thing, and B) 99% of Large Corporations would FAIL if exposed to an actual market where their lobbying couldn't work.

>What regulations exactly keep corporates in power?

I'd have to cite virtually the entirety of US internal trade regulations. If you point to virtually any industry from the cattle industry keeping us from eating dirt cheap, easily raised, and sustainable buffalo meat, to regulations on specific oranges for orange juice that just so happen to be the kinds Florida's OJ uses, not to even bring up Taxi Medallions… Virtually every regulation has a specific beneficiary for it.

>How do they stifle competition to stay on top in the market?

See above.

>How has government specifically been helping large businesses stay large?

See above.

I literally can't cite every regulation and who it benefits because it would take me my entire lifetime and then some. It would be easier to list off regulations that DON'T benefit specific businesses.


 No.15147

>>15146

Or perhaps something that hits a little closer to home now that I'm thinking about it:

Drug Cartels (the main beneficiaries of the war on drugs) are losing massive amounts of profit right this very minute due to weed legalization because they can't compete with the market.


 No.15148

>>15146

The Uber curfuffle was a fantastic example of government getting in the way of competition, resulting in higher prices for people who use taxi services (aka everybody)

We have a pretty big government here in Australia, I would be so interested to see what would happen if the government shrank to 50% size. Would make the liberals mad as hell…


 No.15149

>>15140

how about you read a fucking book, retard?

>>/readabook/

marxists are dead wrong. they don't understand liberty. The best economic system is lasseiz-faire capitalism.

Also, you just ignored property rights and individual rights entirely.


 No.15266

> Why are the Marxists wrong?

They are not.


 No.15271

>>15149

You're wrong.

There. I put as much effort into arguing as you did.


 No.15304

>>15271

no, you faggot, you fucking ignored the last line of my post.

#rekcommies2016#


 No.15691

>>15146

>Why are the Marxists wrong?

trick question, they aren't


 No.15692

>>15691

shit fam meant to quote OP


 No.15701

>>15149

gr8 b8 m8


 No.15708

>>15701

not bait

>>15691

you forgot to greentext there, buddy


 No.15711

>>15708

>marxists

>wrong

is that better?


 No.15714

>>15691

They really are though


 No.15726

>>15714

They are not, though.


 No.15744

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>>15304

Spooks.


 No.15789


 No.15850

>>15140

>Why are the Marxists wrong?

Empiricism, half world became a bunch of starving failed states.

>Why are you right?

Empiricism, economic systems adapted to tendencies of Mother Nature and Human Behaviour.


 No.15854

>>15850

the bolshiefags hate that, "true communism has never been tried", remember?

Price setting produces shortages. It did, does and will.

Wage setting destroys incentives, encourages efficiency, stifles innovation and produces shortages. It did, does and will.

>the labour theory of value

Gave way to arbitrary prices. Without the market mechanism, the equilibrium price for goods, services and labour can not be established since all consumers and producers are the exclusive clients of the collective (the state).

Marx was also spectacularly wrong about the fate of capitalism and the conditions which would lead to socialism. This is of course unfalsifiable, and Marxists will cling to historical materialism until His kingdom come.


 No.15886

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>>15850

>Mother Nature

>Human Behaviour


 No.15910

>>15886

How is posting here not a spook for you?


 No.15958

>>15910

I only post here because I enjoy shitposting


 No.15983

>>15958

but I thought enjoying things was a spook




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