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 No.16423

http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2016/01/25/cancer-and-capitalism/

Capitalism is the reason we didn't cure cancer yet.

 No.16424

What great strides against cancer have the socialist nations achieved, praytell? Oh right I forgot communism has never been tried, nevermind.


 No.16430

>>16423

>implying capitalism is even present right now

>implying your sorry ass would've been alive rigt now shitposting if not for capitalism

look before you leap


 No.16441

>>16424

>>16430

read the article you stupid fucks


 No.16443

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Virtually all noteworthy medical advances worth mentioning in the last fifty years have happened in Capitalist (even if crony capitalist) countries. Of the top 10 medically advanced countries in the world right now, only two of them really identify as "socialist" (the rest consider themselves market economies with safety nets, which while I don't consider "capitalist," would be considered "capitalist" by socialists when said countries don't fit their fancies). The profit motive has driven scientists, engineers, Christians which I know you hate, Muslims, doctors, and medical technicians to provide better and more efficient services for all. In the last twelve years,

Archive that shit, nigger.

https://archive.is/Zxai3

>Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is production for individual profit, not common need.

A semi-intelligent socialist? The fuck?

>History, the sum of human experiences, is produced within a socio-economic context.

so·ci·o·ec·o·nom·ic

ˌsōsēōˌēkəˈnämik,ˌsōsēōˌekəˈnämik/Submit

adjective

adjective: socio-economic

relating to or concerned with the interaction of social and economic factors.

No shit.

>It’s changed many times, usually through some form of revolutionary action.

Socialist calling for people's deaths. No surprise there.

>Capitalism itself overthrew the previous system only a few centuries ago. Things not only change, they change radically. The life you are living now was inconceivable to an average person a thousand years ago.

And it's increased global wealth and standards of living significantly considering we were an agrarian society. I dislike the word overthrew though- other countries just saw how efficient it was and mimicked it to various degrees.

>the tendency people have to underestimate just how much of what they take for granted is, in fact, a fairly recent invention.

No shit.

>Nothing is more useful to the upper echelons of society than a population that does not demand more, that believes things are merely as they are.

Oh geez, class warfare, here we go… Never mind that a rich kid and a poor kid can go sit next to each other and see the same movies. Never mind that over a third of rich parents do not reveal their wealth to their children until after they become an adult, making them live average lives (some not revealing it ever, simply putting it in their will).

>What I’m doing is looking at the history of our species, at all the problems we’ve eliminated, at all the systems we’ve overthrown, and noticing that right now we’re wasting our resources. We’re allowing our avenues of research to be dictated by what would be the most profitable for a tiny handful of people.

No, that's the US patent system at work.

>We’re using supercomputers to crack your emails instead of cracking the secrets of cancer.

>Public Bureaucracy is capitalism

>We’re spending trillions on blowing each other up and on stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

>The state-funded military industrial complex is capitalism


 No.16444

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>>16443

>We, a species capable of utterly amazing feats of analysis and engineering, are wasting our time and our energy on bullshit.

>"And I have the solution this this, because I'll know how to best use ALL of our resources!"

I already know where this is going, but lets read on…

>How many diseases were once considered incurable? Or not just incurable, but a punishment from God himself?

And here comes the attack on Christians (who've done a shit ton of work to advance medicine).

He'll probably mention some massive disease like typhoid or the plague next. He'll probably say one of these diseases was ended by the state.

>You don’t see a whole lot of people defending the plague these days. The divine right of kings does not seem like a great political concept anymore. Do you know what happened to the smallpox? We stamped it the fuck out.

And the state utilized it as a weapon to genocide the Native Americans.

>When we’re talking about the allocation of resources, we’re talking about production

>And I deserve to dictate how those resources are allocated!

>how the goals of production are determined, not at the epiphenomena.

Profit motive. It's great at tracking scarcity too- if water is scarce, water prices are high. If maple prices are high, people use oak instead. It's quite effective at allocating resources and we don't even realize it.

>History demonstrates our ability to solve problems (such as diseases).

Based on what evidence? You've just shouted rhetoric out your ass with no substance this entire time.

>We have the economic and technological resources to eliminate many of our problems.

Based on what evidence? You've just shouted rhetoric out your ass with no substance this entire time.

>We are not using these resources in a way that solves these problems.

See above.

>This is because capitalism, which was once a vital and powerful system, has reached a point in its development where its internal contradictions make it ineffective and crisis-prone.

See above.

>History demonstrates our ability to change systems.

Give an example.

>We should change the system and fix our problems.

>Based on what I think is effective

>>16441

>Article

It's a blog post.

>But the American health care system may be performing better than it seems at first glance. When it comes to medical innovation, the United States is the world leader. In the last 10 years, for instance, 12 Nobel Prizes in medicine have gone to American-born scientists working in the United States, 3 have gone to foreign-born scientists working in the United States, and just 7 have gone to researchers outside the country.

>The six most important medical innovations of the last 25 years, according to a 2001 poll of physicians, were magnetic resonance imaging and computed tomography (CT scan); ACE inhibitors, used in the treatment of hypertension and congestive heart failure; balloon angioplasty; statins to lower cholesterol levels; mammography; and coronary artery bypass grafts. Balloon angioplasty came from Europe, four innovations on the list were developed in American hospitals or by American companies (although statins were based on earlier Japanese research), and mammography was first developed in Germany and then improved in the United States. Even when the initial research is done overseas, the American system leads in converting new ideas into workable commercial technologies.

Have some more thought-out replies:

https://archive.is/zOxup

https://archive.is/dSSMK


 No.16453

>>16444

>Christians (who've done a shit ton of work to advance medicine).

kek, what do they do, repent for medicine?

Oh Lord, grant me thy strength to make my hernia go away

MARK DIED THREE DAYS LATER AFTER THE LORD REFUSED TO CURE HIM

If you're religious and a capitalist, you base your claims on bs. Stop following that scam.


 No.16455

>>16441

The article is nothing but socialist platitudes you dumb nigger.


 No.16462

I don't really have a problem with anything he said in the article, but it's glaringly flawed. I don't know if this guy is a doctor, but he says flat out we have the resources and means to cure cancer, are needs are just prioritized in such a way that they help a handful of people at the top instead of the "common good". Even if I agree, the examples he lists of resources being used are all examples of government, namely in the form of domestic monitoring of citizens and bombing of foreign countries. Well, fine. I certainly agree that those things are horrible applications of means, but I disagree that it has anything to do with capitalism, as probably does everyone on /liberty/. He doesn't even provide an argument why those resources ARE misallocated. Even if you were of the mind that private property and as an extension capitalism required a state, minarchists would point out that they don't want a state that engages in the sort of spending on ridiculous things that this guy mentions. And this is all without pointing out government's intrusion into the healthcare industry, something that has been a huge disaster


 No.16463

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 No.16464

>>16462

This anon gets it.


 No.16467

>>16443

>>16444

Holy shit you fucking retard read the whole thing once before you start nitpicking, half of your observations are answered in the article. This is not an construction manual for IKEA furniture, not everything is a strictly linear bulld-up. Are you actually autist?

>medical advances worth mentioning in the last fifty years have happened in Capitalist

How is this an argument? You realize that capitalism is hegemonic? It's like saying they all happened on Earth. No shit Sherlock.

> The profit motive has driven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

> Archive that shit, nigger.

Why?

> Socialist calling for people's deaths. No surprise there.

Stop projecting, the article is not advocating that.

> And it's increased global wealth and standards of living significantly

Answered in the article.

> Oh geez, class warfare, here we go…

lol, you are truly retarded

>i-it's crony capitalism!!!

kek


 No.16468

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>>16455

I guess that means we can safely ignore it without giving it any though, as it cannot be even interesting.


 No.16469

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 No.16471


 No.16488

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 No.16500

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>>16467

It was boring as fuck, long-winded for no reason whatsoever, and he couldn't even give one example, instead referring to the "whole of humanity." You called it an article when it barely qualifies as a half-way intelligent blog post, and I strongly suspect you wrote it yourself.

If anything, you should be happy that I even took the time to address that pile of human feces. Other anons would have skipped over it like I should have.


 No.16506

>>16471

The basic history of what he says is correct, the government in the United States was extremely controlling during World War 2 and the Great Depression. Not just FDR, but Herbert Hoover before him thrust tariffs and price controls forward in order to intervene. Never before in the United States had the state interfered on such a large level, and it had had many recessions previously. Most recently to the Great Depression was the recession of 1921 under Harding's presidency, which he responded to by cutting income taxes. The economy recovered without a hitch shortly, and things were back to normal.

There are multiple issues with this video. Firstly, it seems absolutely monstrous to me to suggest that the government needs to control the means of production because "rich people want to use steel to build houses". Pray tell, what are poor peoples houses made out of? Their cars? And what is the excuse for the requisitioning of resources from these dreadful rich people? The war, of course. Because the Axis powers were poised to take over America at any second. Anyone who has read any in depth economic study or the history of the Axis powers knows that the reports of their tremendous power have been greatly exaggerated. Germany in particular was being outproduced in terms of aircraft by Great Britain alone at a ratio of 2:1, and this was at the height of their military strength. I recommend Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction.

The most egregious part of the video, however, is the idea that the US was somehow made better by all these controls. If you look at the economy during the Great Depression, it started to recover before these controls were put into place and tanked afterwards. The rationing and price controls of the New Deal put Americans into one of the most sorry states of squalor that they had ever seen. The speaker doesn't once mention how the Great Depression in America continued long after its European counterparts in Britain, France and Germany had recovered. He doesn't address that the Great Depression was the longest depression in history with the largest amount of government intervention, nor does he possibly see and connection between these two. He doesn't address that the years after the war when all these controls were lifted, America's economy saw the most rapid period of growth it has ever seen.

All these things are left out, and why? What is the justification for control over resources, over how people choose to work and live? Because rich people wanted to use steel to build houses instead of building tanks and bullets for a war that had no possibility of harming them.

And for the record, the idea that government took control over these resources isn't even true in context of America. That's what other western powers typically did, but America instead would put out bidding wars between private contractors for munitions and arms instead of nationalizing industries. Just look at the production list of the M4, they're all private contractors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman#U.S._production_history


 No.16509

>>16500

kill yourself christnigger


 No.16529

>>16463

>>16469

>>16488

>implying this proves me wrong




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