/liberty/ - Liberty

The feds are really taking their chances with this.

>>16491

What are your thoughts on the protest in the first place? Were the protestors justified or not?

To sum up my thoughts on this:

Why the fuck did the dumbass leave town in the first place? He should have sent someone else with a livestream connecting back to them.

Did he stop for the FBI, or did the FBI ram the shit out of his vehicle causing them to think their lives were in danger leading to a fire fight? If I had seen an FBI stop, I would have nope'd the fuck out and made a U-turn, even if it was a one-way road.

Either some shady shit is going on here, or Ammon went full retard.

>What does this mean for the cause of liberty?

Considering farmers are welfare queens, it just means we have a few less /k/ommandos upholding the second amendment, honestly.

It'll depend on how things pan out at the exhibit. The feds are worried because bird watching season gets big in Spring/Summer.

>>16492

Protesters were partially justified. Like I said, the farmers are welfare queens like military veterans, but the BLM is a much greater evil in comparison.

ghost post.

>>16492

Anybody that wants to protest the federal government for any reason is almost certainly justified, but in this case they were protesting two men experience double jeopardy in the United States of America so HELL YESS they were justified.

We'll see what happens. Sovereign citizen types are not pussies, if they try to muscle in on them it's probably going to turn into a fucking bloodbath.

>>16496

>Why do you claim that the farmers were welfare queens?

Most farmers were perfectly willing to accept the BLM before they expanded, and likewise are perfectly fine with various farm subsidies that keep them in business without keeping a closer eye on their expenses while ironically also allowing their big agricorp opponents to expand and take their land.

It's clearly a case of double jeopardy and I feel bad for them, but they're still welfare queens who still want all the government benefits without the responsibilities attached,

>Also, do you see this as something that will escalate on a larger scale?

The government currently owns some 60-90% of land out west depending on which state you live in. So long as this is the case, and so long as the EPA and BLM continue to ravage the earth while harming American citizens, there will be conflict. Whether it escalates or not will probably depend on a number of factors, but as our fiscal policy continues to deteriorate, expect the number of situations like this to become commonplace.

It means nothing and nothing will happen.

>>16511

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some fifty years from now the facts will be twisted and put in a history book no one will ever read.

Totalitarianism is getting so much real on this case, this just prove how dangerous a government enforcement could be especially when they go beyond the law. Yet, we have bunch of leftist here who supported this sort of things is just ridiculous.

It all depends on the circumstances and what they do after. While my gut tells me this traffic stop and "firefight" was certainly not justifiable, I don't have proof either way. It's possible that he decided to pull out a gun while they were stopped for some irrational/suicidal reason, and the fact that only one was killed implies that nobody else seemed to fear for their lives. Maybe he wanted to go out with a bang instead of going to jail so he could become a martyr for the cause. I just fear the facts of the case may not be known until years after.

Knowing a fellow protestor was killed, I think the ones still at the fed building will dig in even harder regardless. That's where the real issue lies. I still don't think the feds will go in guns blazing. They'll damage control this situation for at least a week before they even consider making a move.

>>16493

>Why the fuck did the dumbass leave town in the first place? He should have sent someone else with a livestream connecting back to them.

I can't imagine they get a great internet connection in Bumfuck, Oregon. Either way you're right; there's no real need to be face to face for something like that. They could've communicated via instant message and had someone read out his answers on stage.

>>16497

How are these guys sovereign citizens? They're protesting because of a clear violation of a fellow rancher's 5th amendment right to not be tried twice for the same crime. A sovereign citizen wouldn't care about that, nor would they use this opportunity to start sperging out.

>>16562

>How are these guys sovereign citizens? They're protesting because of a clear violation of a fellow rancher's 5th amendment right to not be tried twice for the same crime. A sovereign citizen wouldn't care about that, nor would they use this opportunity to start sperging out.

I use sovereign citizen and armed patriot basically interchangeably because sovereign citizens are almost always just armed patriots who have no patience left.

>>16560

>>double jeopardy is wrong

>>but the guys turned themselves in without a fuss

The scuttlebutt is they're being threatened into it and I believe it.

Consider:

>unarmed protestors

>worst case scenario happens

>they get angry and riot

>break some windows, destroy some cars, maybe torch a few buildings

>cops, firmly in control with riot tactics, clean it up with no serious threat to their lives

The cops decide when these protests end and they do not hesitate to stop them shortly after shit starts to look ugly.

>armed protestors

>worst case scenario happens

>they get angry and start shooting

>cops aren't in control, need to call backup and eventually overwhelm them

>lots and lots of casualties on both sides

The cops eventually will overcome but only at great cost. A firefight is the absolute last thing they want.

Can you see why they pounced on the "ringleaders" as soon as possible, even if they have to martyr one guy? Their strategy is based on the worst case scenario, and that worst case scenario is a violent flashpoint that starts new militia movements like it's the 90's. A bunch of dindus looting stores won't start anything more than white flight out of the inner city so cops don't really give a shit.

Conclusion: They couldn't defuse the situation, so they cut the dynamite in half and hope the fuse fizzles out.

>>16574

gun control

FBI published aerial footage of the incident. The car with Bundy in it pulled right over but Finicum kept driving. Shooting happens about 6 minutes in.

https://www.rt.com/usa/330526-fbi-video-oregon-protester-shooting/

What do you think?

I think it looks like he's alternating between "I'm surrendering" and "can't reach the fucking shoulder holster in this winter jacket". Seems pretty by the book by cop standards (disobey orders and put your hand in your jacket and you get blown away), but I don't think there's a lot of people who will defend their ROE. I think generally people will see what they want to see here.

>>16628

I've seen comments that say that the officer that originally drew on Finicum was firing almost immediately after leaving the truck, but I can't see if he ever fired at all and Finicum just had a heart attack. Can anyone see anything?

>>16629

Found a better video. Is he reaching for a gun, or dropping hands for balance while moving through the snow/clinging to a wound?