/liberty/ - Liberty

How is that a bad thing?

Remember everyone, capitalism is actually imperialism. They are identical. Imperialism has nothing to do with socialism. Nope. Nosireebob.

In order to est abolish of it was a capitalist death, one must ask the questions…

1) Did this even happen under Capitalism?

2) If it happened "under capitalism," would it have been preventable if another system was used?

You'll find that for all the feels and bullshit, even in the rare instances where 1 is true through mental gymnastics of "lol imperialism=Capitalism," 2 is virtually always false.

When the reverse is applied to socialism, two is almost always true. This is why Capitalists claim socialists are responsible. It has nothing to do with whether their very specific and minutely different form of communism has been tried, it has to do with "even if it were shit socialism, Capitalism would have done a better job because X couldn't happen."

Libertarians don't condone Imperialism. In fact, we tend to actively oppose it. Socialists are passive aggressive at best when it comes to responding to authoritarian socialists. Yes, I realize I'm repeating myself.

>>16655

Someone explain to me how the rwandan genocide was caused by capitalism. Or the armenian genocide. Or the nazi holocaust. Shit, the nazis were national socialists; it's in the fucking name! They weren't capitalists, and their killing of the disabled, jews, gypsies and homosexuals is evidently an outcome of their social darwinist doctrine, not any capitalist doctrine.

>>16655

Silly O.P. the capitalists don't kill anyone, they just sell the killers guns and bullets.

Is that image satirical?

I know of nothing more nonsensical than the socialistic/communistic ideologies. This is baffling.

>>16682

Nice ignoring everything said in this thread, m8.

>>16655

I am surprised they didn't go ahead and add the black plague to that list

>>16655

go away retard

That image needs to include all the cavemen who died because they didn't have government and also all the deaths caused by natural disasters in America because America is capitalist and people died in America therefore capitalism kills people

>>16664

When you apply (2) to socialism, it's always true, because it didn't happen "under capitalism".

>>16655

The mistake here is thinking capitalism implies some form of control over people. It does not. People are free to do as they wish, and then incur the results of their own actions. Their free will allows them to think for themselves, and make decisions for themselves.

Thinking is a choice. You can not hammer a man to think or to become creative. Thinking requires conscious integration of facts according to your own philosophy, and the extent of the faultlessness and objectivity of your philosophy and mental integrations determine your quality of life. In a society where individual rights and liberty is respected (by extension a truly capitalist "state") you live by your values, and you die by them, for then a man's failure isn't a mortgage over another's success.

>>16706

You don't even need to go that far. Pretty much all of that stuff either didn't happen under capitalism, was the direct result of government intervention, or was the result of outside forces that have nothing to do with the economic system of the time. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the image was made as a joke. I mean, seriously. All the deaths of the World Wars are somehow the fault of the free market?

Because I guess it was the businesses of the western world who were raising armies and sending them off to fight each other. No, the government certainly doesn't have anything to do with declaring and fighting wars. Also, it keeps listing dictatorships for reasons that I cannot even begin to fathom.

>>16699

And then you've got bullshit like this. It's seriously like they're not even trying.

You're confusing mercantilism with capitalism again.

>>16709

>Also, it keeps listing dictatorships for reasons that I cannot even begin to fathom.

US Imperialism during the cold war.

Commies never got over it, but refuse to mention that they did the same thing.

>>16736

>the principle cause of shit jobs, shit productivity and high emigration

in their planned shitholes at the time, i mean

>>16655

Just about everything on that list occurred under mercantilism, communism, or some variety of fascism, not that the majority of it is attributable to a political or economic system anyway. Even then, all but a few of the figures are grossly exaggerated.

Capitalism is really just a lefty buzzword anyway, though

>>16655

What makes you think people wouldn't have wars or that people in undeveloped countries wouldn't starve because lol private property?

>>16736

>no-nothings

fuck