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 No.16987

 No.16990

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>Bush's former supporters released a flood of propaganda claiming that he failed because he’d abandoned true conservative politics, not because of those very politics.

>Who is Edmund Burke

>Overseas empire= conservatism

>Social security= conservative program

>Corporate welfare, protectionsim, spying, big gubmint programs= conservativism

Boy, it sure is great that a bunch of anti-Stalinist Jews that wanted to reallocate the U.S. capital to Tel Aviv started the neoconservative ideology and now everyone thinks conservatives are all about spreading "democracy" (when in reality "spreading democracy" is just code word for destabilizing any remotely organized threat within 1,000 miles of Israel.)


 No.16992

>And it’s an incredibly valuable brand to those who have invested in the movement, from the Kochs to Valley libertarians.

Yes, we all know 99% of big corporations all support libertarian ideology

Oh wait,

that's a massive pile of steaming bullshit,

because the vast majority of big corporate donors give towards Republicans and Democrats, same with unions, actually I don't think a single union with any clout whatsoever has given to a libertarian candidate or organization in the past thirty years.


 No.16993

I tapped out at Thomas Frank's quotes about what libertarianism is. Am I meant to read this entire piece of liberal fleebleeding because absolutely not.


 No.16996

>“libertarianism is good because it helps conservatives pass off a patently pro-business political agenda as a noble bid for human freedom.”

Liberalism is good because it allows Marxists to utilize millions of useful idiots towards their authoritarian ends.

Oh, wait, adjectives and personal attacks aren't arguments? FUCK, NOW WHAT WILL WE DO

>the biggest threat which Big Tech faces is antitrust law, and the antitrust regulatory apparatus

Make sure that you don't mention that libertarians largely oppose the government IP laws they use to protect their monopoly. Faggot.

>Clinton’s antitrust suit against Microsoft, probably the biggest and most consequential antitrust action of the past few decades

Maybe you should focus on Microsoft and Apple's abuse of IP laws instead of their success in providing customers valuable goods and services?

> Peter Thiel, a libertarian and Paul backer, recently set tongues to wagging by arguing in favor of monopoly, and against Silicon Valley cant about the cult of innovation.

Microsoft's software is much cheaper due to its size. Big business comes with benefits, and if you have big government that stifle competition and protect its monopoly via IP and other regulatory bullshit, it comes with a lot of costs, too.

>MUH ANTI TRUST LOL FUG MONOPOLIES

#1. Government is the biggest, most dangerous monopoly, that will FUCKING KILL anyone who tries to compete with it (by providing defense services and a court of law etc.) on "its" territory.

#2. Anti-trust laws can be used if prices are raised

>MUH PRICE GOUGING

If prices stay the same

>MUH COLLUSION, MUH PRICE FIXING

If prices lower

>MUH PREDATORY PRICING

So what I mean to say is you should shut the fuck up, or if you don't like that, you can chop off your hands and tongue so people don't have to be exposed to your bullshit whether spoken, written, or typed.

>Now for a reality check: Ron Paul’s inconsistent, at times incredibly hawkish positions on military interventions and military spending.

DURRR MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S NOT A LIBERTARIAN AND HE DOESN'T CLAIM TO BE ONE YOU STUPID FUCK

okay I am going to stop reading this before the concentrated form of feces-laden propaganda gives me a brain aneurysm.


 No.17015

Denial is the first stage.


 No.17027

>>16996

>>16992

>>16993

>>16990

You aren't reading past the first paragraph, huh? You're missing out on the facts about all of Ron Paul's warmongering and corruption.


 No.17029

>>16996

> HE'S NOT A LIBERTARIAN AND HE DOESN'T CLAIM TO BE ONE

Do you feel that? That is taste of denial. So salty and yet so. Fucking. Sweet.


 No.17031

>>17027

There's plenty of garbage preceding the Frank Thomas quote I was forced to consume to reach it. The author exposes such a profound bias and idiocy regarding libertarianism that I feel entirely comfortable dismissing out of hand anything he has to say about Ron Paul.


 No.17035

>>17031

*tips fedora*

man, libertarians are such free-thinkers, they fly into a blind triggered rage at the sight of "bias" against them!


 No.17036

>>17035

Nice memeing but I simply have no intention of reading the blather of some half-a-communist, freethinker or no freethinker. Besides, it wouldn't get me an honest argument. The ancap chose to condescend to you and you've offered him no rebuttal. You're just trying to waste my time.


 No.17046

>>17029

>Do you feel that? That is taste of denial. So salty and yet so. Fucking. Sweet.

He literally has not claimed to be a libertarian and has intentionally distanced himself from libertarianism. Autist.


 No.17051

>This member-only article was unlocked for you by Mark Ames. Unlock expires 1 day, 9 hours from now. For unlimited access to all of Pando, become a Pando member for just $10 a month.

https://archive.is/pO9G9

Fixed.

Rand Paul was ever a Libertarian. He stated repeatedly that he wasn't.

Ron Paul a little less so, but he's seen massive backlash from the Libertarian movement for the last four or five years since more women began to join the party.

Now to finish the blog post…


 No.17054

>Antittrust

Antitrust/anti-monopoly laws are largely huge flukes used by monopolies/oligopolies to drive better (smaller) businesses out of the market when they try to get at the big boy's profit. See Standard Oil and how it revolutionized gas prices/destroyed oil monopolies. At the same time, they fail to use it on the companies that matter Comcast, Time Warner, etc.

>but in fact, he was invoking the classic laissez-faire principles of robber barons like Rockefeller, Carnegie and Morgan as they consolidated their industries and their power.

Confirmed for brainwashed by public schooling.

Rockefeller provided a superior and cheaper product, making many more folk's lives better than he hurt, so socialist/statist utilitarianism isn't gonna help them there.

Carnegie did the same thing with steel, AND he was altruistic/expanded America's Libraries, likely doing more for public literacy than public schooling in minority neighborhoods.

Morgan- can't speak for him off the top of my head, but I'm sure I could apply the same logic to him. People like the article's OP have a bad tendency of applying a modern lens to ye olde times.

>and anything that holds back private monopolies from expanding their empires

Monopolies are held in check by market forces when government isn't actively interfering in the market. The monopoly has to continuously invest in better/cheaper products in order to out-compete knockoff brands that idiots will buy based on prices. Government interference in the market is one of the main reasons this doesn't happen right now, so I have no sympathy for the article OP's argument here.

>Gutting antitrust and freeing up private monopolies is foundational doctrine for libertarians.

No shit, sherlock.

>Apple was also exposed as one of America’s worst tax evaders, costing the government billions through shady offshore tax avoidance schemes.

Good.

>Rand Paul’s kickoff campaign promise to boost defense spending by nearly $200 billion in the next two years.

Pretty sure he explained why he did that. Pretty much it was a compromise with hardline GOP Republicans to try and get them on his side it also backfired horribly.

>muh 1979

Cold war. No one was ideologically consistent. Libertarians hate commies more than they hate market statists anyways, so they were pretty much caught between a rock and a hard place.

Anyways, Ron Paul has been getting shat on for about the last 5 years among folks who pay attention to the shit he does.


 No.17055

>>17051

never*


 No.17057

>>17054

does your name have something to do with Ostrobothnia


 No.17059

>>17051

archive.is was down when I posted it, sorry.


 No.17061

>>17029

condescension is best argument, well played my leftist friend


 No.17076

Just


 No.17101

fuck


 No.17110

communism




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