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 No.16999

Does anyone know if that is a thing? Bonus points if it has been written in the last fifteen years, after leftists took over the genre.

 No.17006

Elysium


 No.17008

>>17006

good meme


 No.17012

>>17006

Shut up.


 No.17013

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Sci-fi is leftist, it always was. Leftists like the future, and love to think about possible scenarios, while the right wing is too busy masturbating to their (supposedly) glorious heritage.


 No.17024

>>17013

I'm at the stage of my life where reading platitudes like this very nearly makes me physically ill.


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 No.17044

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>>17041

Can't have mention Heinlein in a Libertarian Sci-Fi thread without The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

http://drnissani.net/MNISSANI/RevolutionarysToolkit/TheMoonIsAHarshMistress.pdf

"The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress is a 1966 science fiction novel by American writer Robert A. Heinlein, about a Lunar colony's revolt against rule from Earth. The novel expresses and discusses libertarian ideals. It is respected for its credible presentation of a comprehensively imagined future human society on both the Earth and the moon.[1]

Originally serialized in Worlds of If (December 1965, January, February, March, April 1966), the book was nominated for the Nebula Award in 1966.[2] It received the Hugo Award for best science fiction novel in 1967.[3]" -Wikipedia

It reads like a rough draft because it's told from the perspective of somebody who speaks with a sort of Russian-ish accent. Expect omitted articles. You realize this is the case when you read other characters' dialogue.


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>>17013

Which is retarded because A: transhumanism will accelerate inequality, B: AI will allow us to solve poverty while preserving private property (think "slave" armies of robots), and C: viable space travel opens up a whole new frontier that is hard to govern and socialize, just like the American frontier before it ran out.

I don't know if the future will be any more libertarian than today, but it certainly won't be communist.


 No.17097

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>>17081

>we will have the AI for full communism

>but let's preserve the completely obsolete private property anyway because muh spooks


 No.17100

>>16999

Neuromancer by Gibson.


 No.17102

>>17100

Gibson's a soft marxist.


 No.17104

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>>17097

>I swear, communism will work as soon as we have achieved the technological singularity!


 No.17108

I intend to write a sci-fi novel with libertarian themes. Looked up yesterday how femtotechnology could work, because face it, nanotech impresses no one at this point.


 No.17132

>>17097

Private property isn't a spook though.

It has a physical use. Private property means I can have absentee ownership of things. Without the social protection of private property I only have the social protection of occupancy and use, which ends when I stop occupying things and when everyone else has arbitrarily decided I've stopped using it.

So, AI will give us full welfare based off slave bots instead of taxes to redistribute money, not full communism, because as soon as a robot slave economy becomes possible, communism becomes utterly redundant and pointless.

You just want to destroy the practical and beneficial institution of private property for your too abstract to be meaningful nonsense idea of all productive property internationally (but what about space nigger?) owned by "society as a whole".

Communism is the fucking spook, because it tries to have equal ownership by an abstract entity comprised of unequals. It's trash and isn't a real solution to leftist concerns anyway.


 No.17138

>>17132

>spook

I keep seeing this word, and the context seems ambiguous. Can someone please clarify?


 No.17140

>>17138

Spook is Stirner's, a nihilist's, term for "unjustified" moral principles/theories/etc.


 No.17142

I will not embrace transhumanism and - because you all respect the NAP - I will embrace the new libertarian agricultural utopia with my Amish bros

Deal with it


 No.17150

>>17142

I won't force you.


 No.17151

>>17140

Ah, thanks.

>>17142

>I will embrace the new libertarian agricultural utopia with my Amish bros

Wouldn't your libertarian agricultural utopia be even more productive with PLOW HANDS!?

Seriously, though, the Amish are pretty chill. Non-aggressive as fuck.


 No.17156

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>>17132

Taxes? Redistribution of money? What the heck are you talking about? In full communism there's no need for money, as there's such an abundance of goods that everybody has full and unlimited access to them. In a world where every material need is satisfied by an seemingly endless army of robot slaves, or can be materialized in an instant by devices, the only reason you still cling to private property is because you are so deeply entrenched in the dominant ideology of our times that you are literally incapable of imagining a future without the ghosts of capitalism haunting your head.

I'm not saying private property is a spook in itself. But the reason you can't imagine a future without private property is because you are spooked as heck.


 No.17157

>>17156

>n full communism there's no need for money, as there's such an abundance of goods that everybody has full and unlimited access to them. In a world where every material need is satisfied by an seemingly endless army of robot slaves, or can be materialized in an instant by devices, the only reason you still cling to private property is because you are so deeply entrenched in the dominant ideology of our times that you are literally incapable of imagining a future without the ghosts of capitalism haunting your head.

In such a world there would still need to be programmers, quality control, security, and probably humans would still be responsible for spreading/supplying information to each other like books on stuff robots wouldn't write well even 100 years from now, if anyone is doing any labor at all and there's literally any scarcity at all there's good reason for private property to prevent conflicts and allow people to voluntarily cooperate efficiently.


 No.17158

>>17157

o wow wrong flag


 No.17159

>>17156

>>17156

In a post-scarcity society (which is what you're describing), questions of how to distribute goods are irrelevant by default.

Not that we'll achieve post-scarcity any time soon, if ever. Post-scarcity goes beyond seed AI's or self-replicating manufacturing nanotech, unless you use a definition that is so watered down it encompasses every society in which we all have something to eat and at least one TV. In addition to these two things, you'd at least need affordable space travel, so affordable that no member of society will ever run out of raw material.

Unless we got these three things, invoking the concept of post-scarcity is utopian at best, dishonest at worst.


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>>17156

>In full communism there's no need for money, as there's such an abundance of goods that everybody has full and unlimited access to them.

That's impossible. Post-scarcity is nonsense. You can define a particular level of scarcity and say something like "We can provide four square meals a day for 7 billion people for 1 million years", but that is not post-scarcity, since the government would have limit rations to a level in accordance with available resources.

>In a world where every material need is satisfied

I want to go into space and own asteroids.

>by an seemingly endless army of robot slaves, or can be materialized in an instant by devices

If I don't have the ability to have ownership or relatively exclusive control of some of these devices, some utility is lost, since I A: can't maintain the right to control even while an absentee, and B: can't put MY portion of that robot production to MY highly specific uses that are peculiar to me alone without consulting the collective or state about it.

>the only reason you still cling to private property is because you are so deeply entrenched in the dominant ideology of our times that you are literally incapable of imagining a future without the ghosts of capitalism haunting your head.

Wrong. I've already told you the practical functions I wish to maintain that are tied up in the social institution of private property. The only reason you can't understand why someone would want to maintain those functions is because you think abstract equality in production and distribution is a moral goal in of itself, distinct from simple survival. Besides, private property is not exclusive to capitalism, and has existed in the Marxist analysis itself, in every system prior to capitalism save for the supposed "primitive communism".

I ask: after we've given public services an army of self-replenishing machines, what exactly would be the point of taking away the right of absentee ownership and accumulation? The fulfillment of a universal base survival scheme renders communism an exercise pointless coercion just to satisfy a base emotional urge for abstract equality.

My base emotional urges are rather more oriented towards aspiration and escape from society, as soon as technology enables such means.

>But the reason you can't imagine a future without private property is because you are spooked as heck.

Nope. I want particular outcomes to be possible, and they are only facilitated by private property, therefore I favor private property and not collective property.

I also think that collective property will turn out to be the real spook, because ownership is only tangible and real in as far as it coincides with physical control, whether enforced personally, or more likely by a community intent on upholding the institution for mutual benefit. Across the vastness of space, one central agglomeration of the will of the people everywhere in the galaxy is going to be pretty much unenforceable.

Tell me how tangible a thing common ownership of the means of production by society as a whole really is?

Stirner's idea of a spook includes the idea of nation or society. It's only a step from there to criticize the idea of an abstract fluid entity like society being able to collectively own things in a way that is meaningful in terms of physical ramifications.


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Alongside Night, based on the politcal writings of Samuel Konkin, father of agorism - counter-economics as a form of retaliation as competitive agencies outcompete and replace the services of the state. Make some tea, curl up with a warm blanket, and enjoy reading as it finally Happens.


 No.17482

>>17474

Just downloaded it. Thanks, brah!


 No.17635

"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"


 No.17885

Kings of the High Frontier by Victor or Viktor Koman was a libertarian or ancap (don't recall) roughly present day take on getting into space. NASA and the government freak out.

L. Neil Smith has books of varying science and varying degrees of libertarianism




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