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 No.17223

I made a quick guide to anarchist ideologies here.

 No.17224

>>17223

You need to check your spelling grammar

For instance, in the Revolution vs Reform section

>Oddly, enough …

Should be

>Oddly enough, …


 No.17225

First things first, improve the layout. The general layout is alright, but the table on the upper left, for example, looks ugly as fuck.

Second, brutalism has nothing to do with being flexible about the NAP. Rothbard was very strict about the NAP. Christopher Cantwell isn't, not because of his unique ideology, but because he's a fat, alcoholic cunt.

Third, ancaps don't want to sell the state. Rothbard wrote an entire essay on who holds legitimate property over state resources. Among other things, he said that students on their faculties. If I recall correctly, he explicitly opposed selling things like that to the highest bidder.

Other than that, good work compiling all this. I also like the overall layout.


 No.17227

>>17224

Thanks. I'll have a hard time working out what the font was now though, cause it's saved in paint. Feel free to alter it and make any additions you'd like.

>>17225

>The general layout is alright, but the table on the upper left, for example, looks ugly as fuck.

What improvements should be made to it? You have any specific ideas?

Everything is just slapped together for now. I was going to put a historical timeline, but I put a lot of pics and memes around the text boxes for now.

>Second, brutalism has nothing to do with being flexible about the NAP. Rothbard was very strict about the NAP.

Rothbard's NAP (and he originated it and Ancap altogether) allows voting, and insurrection against the state.

A lot of modern Tuckerite and Free State Project Ancaps think voting is aggression, which clearly gives them a more restraining interpretation. They also think that the NAP only justifies an instant response to aggression, whereas Larken Rose is more in line with the original Rothbardian interpretation where you can pursue thieves and get them later, and I believe he was dis-invited for expressing the less pacifistic interpretation of it in which shooting cops would be totally acceptable. That division was one of the major sticking points in recent history.

The Tuckerite people are definitely pushing a much softer variation of the NAP. Then you get people like Larken, then the position Rothbard came to in which he thought voting wasn't even strictly speaking immoral, and then way way off there are these new "militant ancaps" who think common ownership can't exist at all under ancap, and that we need to have a transitory war in which we kill all the commies.

There's also a cultural split in that Tuckerite style Ancaps tend to want to cosy up to the left-liberals and convert them due to their support for weed, gay marriage, etc, whereas the supposed Brutalists want to cosy up to the (liberal) conservatives, due to the proximity of Ancap to state's rights and freedom of disassociation. Rothbard himself supported things like the death penalty, and felt that blacks had lower IQ.

>Christopher Cantwell isn't, not because of his unique ideology, but because he's a fat, alcoholic cunt.

He's kind of a nob, I would say that that is because of his unique ideology. Instead of gaining Ancap through strategic voting for Republicans, Cantwell goes as far as suggesting that a Pinochet figure is needed as a transitory figure to clear the way before Ancap. He justifies according to his own interpretation of the NAP that says attacking state employees and leftists/commies isn't aggression, because they already initiated force by supporting government appropriation of taxes and property. That's pretty fringe to be sure, but it's about as far as I've seen anyone take Ancap in a revolutionary direction, so it had to be the furthest right interpretation before you stop justifying things from an Ancap perspective altogether and just go alt-right. Hans Hermann Hoppe is at the same extreme end.

>Third, ancaps don't want to sell the state. Rothbard wrote an entire essay on who holds legitimate property over state resources. Among other things, he said that students on their faculties. If I recall correctly, he explicitly opposed selling things like that to the highest bidder.

That was Rothbard's position when he was flirting with the New Left back in the 70s. He moved away from that, and later supporting conservative populists instead. Rothbard stretches across both camps in fairness.

People who further Rothbard's earlier position today often describe themselves as "left-rothbardians" or even share the label "free market anticapitalists" with mutualists and may post on C4SS.

SOME Ancaps do want to "sell" the state in that they don't believe that government property should become "unowned" in the transition, because that leads to conflict and a tragedy of the commons. The hardest right Ancaps do want to privatize everything, and since they don't mind voting (Rothbard didn't), the transition would be the very act of privatizing the state. Rothbard's proposal to the New Left was also a privatization proposal, it's just that he was arguing that a group of workers or students should get shares instead of selling it to a corporation. He derived this from his idea of mixing of labor and use turning unowned property into private property. Further to the right, Ancaps reject mixing of labor and say that enclosure is enough.

There are basically two very rough camps on these issue. The Tuckerite end, the Hoppe/Cuntwell end, and with Rothbard in the middle at most times in his life, but moving from a left Ancap position to a right one over time.


 No.17228

>>17227

And to be clear, we are talking Jeffrey Tucker, not Benjamin.


 No.17229

>>17227

>cause it's saved in paint

protip: download and learn how to use GIMP


 No.17236

>>17229

GIMP is your friend, yes.


 No.17245

>>17229

>>17236

I already have it.


 No.17246

>>17245

learn how to use it


 No.17250

>>17227

>What improvements should be made to it? You have any specific ideas?

The two rows in the table are asymmetrical. That's the most annoying thing about it.

>Rothbard's NAP (and he originated it and Ancap altogether) allows voting, and insurrection against the state.

I can see where you're coming from now. No idea what's up with seeing voting as compatible with the NAP, except under very narrow circumstances. Insurrection is a different topic, that can be perfectly in line with it sometimes (and sometimes not).

>There's also a cultural split in that Tuckerite style Ancaps tend to want to cosy up to the left-liberals and convert them due to their support for weed, gay marriage, etc, whereas the supposed Brutalists want to cosy up to the (liberal) conservatives, due to the proximity of Ancap to state's rights and freedom of disassociation. Rothbard himself supported things like the death penalty, and felt that blacks had lower IQ.

That's a better dividing line than the interpretation of the NAP. I'd cut the part about brutalists being more flexible about the NAP and focus on the difference in whether egalitarianism is seen as possible and/or desirable. The differences in how the NAP is interpreted and applied are so nuanced they warrant more than a word or two, and the infobox on anarchist strategies already discusses them pretty well.

>He's kind of a nob, I would say that that is because of his unique ideology.

Deviating from the NAP as he does is partially because he's a dick, though. If it was his ideology, he wouldn't have supported these militant ancaps on reddit who were looking for a loophole in the NAP. I'm not contending that him having a boner for insurrection is an ideological thing, but betraying the NAP goes further than that.

>SOME Ancaps do want to "sell" the state in that they don't believe that government property should become "unowned" in the transition, because that leads to conflict and a tragedy of the commons. The hardest right Ancaps do want to privatize everything, and since they don't mind voting (Rothbard didn't), the transition would be the very act of privatizing the state. Rothbard's proposal to the New Left was also a privatization proposal, it's just that he was arguing that a group of workers or students should get shares instead of selling it to a corporation. He derived this from his idea of mixing of labor and use turning unowned property into private property. Further to the right, Ancaps reject mixing of labor and say that enclosure is enough.

That's interesting to know. Guess I should read Hoppe soon, to get a feeling of the hard-right ancaps.


 No.17251

>>17250

If anything, enclosure is mixing of labor since you have to protect that which you fence in.


 No.17252

>>17251

Yes, but theoretically, you could build a fence around an enormous tract of unimproved land and that would suffice to have legitimate claim.

Rothbard disagreed with this IIRC, arguing that you would have to improve that land out of a natural state in order for it to become property. That's basically an update of Locke's idea of property, with the proviso removed.


 No.17259

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I appreciate the comedy, even the mockery.


 No.17298

Anarcho-pacifists say that I can't retaliate to violence? Could someone explain anarcho-pacifism?


 No.17299

>>17298

It's pacifism. Not only is violence wrong, but you can't use self-defense either, because otherwise it wouldn't be pacifism.

The NAP for example is not pacifist, since it allows violent self-defense. Whereas a pacifist cannot condone that.


 No.17305

Giving an IP bump. You guys need to be further up on the list.


 No.17306

>>17305

Thanks, m8. I appreci8.




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