No.17341
You've come to the right thread
No.17342
/pol/ delegate here, I would like to extend my hands to the libertarians comrade.
Know that Rand is down, it's time to back Trump, brahs.
No.17347
>>17342
Or I could just keep backing Cruz like I've done from the start. Trump is a golden calf for retards.
No.17353
>>17347
Not that guy, but I've always said Paul > Trump > Cruz > others.
Cruz and Trump have similar foreign policy, so the difference is on domestic policy. Cruz might sound slightly better on paper, but Trump has the credentials to back it up and he looks a bit less like a worm and actually has the ability to rally people like a leader should IMO.
No.17355
>>17347
Cruz and Trump have similar policies, except unlike Trump, Cruz has no endorsement from Russia, and he wants to go to war with the russians.
No.17357
>>17353
>Cruz and Trump have similar foreign policy, so the difference is on domestic policy. Cruz might sound slightly better on paper, but Trump has the credentials to back it up and he looks a bit less like a worm and actually has the ability to rally people like a leader should IMO.
Trump 'has the credentials to back it up'? The man was a fucking democrat five years ago, he's gone on record as saying socialized healthcare is a good thing even after he restyled himself as le eminent domain millionaire man of the people. Are you kidding me with this shit?
>>17355
Fuck Russia. Putin's a cunt, slavs are mongols and the whole fucking place ought to be glassed.
No.17358
>>17357
>Fuck Russia. Putin's a cunt, slavs are mongols and the whole fucking place ought to be glassed.
That's not a very /liberty/ thing to say.
You realize you too will be fucked by a US vs Russia war.
No.17359
>>17358
>That's not a very /liberty/ thing to say.
I will NEVER forgive Russia. The ideological subversion they injected into the US during the Cold War, basically, ruined the whole fucking world. Responsibility for sending global society on the path it's on can be traced directly to the KGB and if there is justice in this world that whole fucking shitty place will be turned away from the eyes of God. I would be glad to stomp them into fucking sludge, fuck the consequences, there's no pulling out of this tailspin anymore anyway.
No.17360
>>17359
Blame the commie jews, don't blame the russians.
It's stupid because modern Russia fucking hates leftists and commies.
No.17361
>>17357
>Trump 'has the credentials to back it up'? The man was a fucking democrat five years ago, he's gone on record as saying socialized healthcare is a good thing even after he restyled himself as le eminent domain millionaire man of the people. Are you kidding me with this shit?
I don't give a fuck about which of your two identical parties Trump is or is not part of, but he knows his way around an economy and around commerce and I trust him more than Cruz that Hispanic serpent.
No.17364
No.17366
Time to team up, /liberty/.
Rand is lost, it's Trump or nothing now.
Come home, white man.
No.17367
>>17361
Then you're a fucking dumbass, simple as that. Cruz is a conservative purebred the likes of which we haven't seen since Ron Paul, a true constitutionalist, and he's been proving it in the senate for years. Trump is the most spectacularly untrustworthy man ever to run in a state primary, and this is American politics we're talking about so that is REALLY saying something. He's a greasy wallstreet douche to his core, he's never stood for anything in his life. Suddenly he backtracks on everything he's ever claimed to believe and reverses every political position he's ever held when he's almost seventy? And I'm supposed to believe it's legit. The man will say anything.
>>17360
>Blame the commie jews, don't blame the russians.
This is like saying "Don't blame Typhoid Mary for the epidemic, blame typhoid!" They were the first faggots to fall for it in a big way and all the cancer immediately started getting pumped out from there. Some things are unforgivable.
No.17368
>>17367
>This is like saying "Don't blame Typhoid Mary for the epidemic, blame typhoid!" They were the first faggots to fall for it in a big way and all the cancer immediately started getting pumped out from there. Some things are unforgivable.
Killing patient zero doesn't cure the plague, anon.
We need to study from him and get a cure.
No.17369
>>17368
It's too late for a 'cure' at this point anyway, the world is fucked and it's objectively their fault.
No.17370
>>17369
It's never too late, anon.
We are still here.
No.17372
>>17367
>This is like saying "Don't blame Typhoid Mary for the epidemic, blame typhoid!" They were the first faggots to fall for it in a big way and all the cancer immediately started getting pumped out from there. Some things are unforgivable.
Well, we might as well kill ourselves then because we fell for it too.
No.17374
>>17372
Russia has recovered from the communist cancer.
No.17376
>>17372
We endured almost a fucking century of ideological manipulation laser-focused on us at their hands and even then there's still some traces of our old spirit left. They fell for it with a fucking snap of the fingers, it was fertile ground. They are born cunts and fit tools to enslave the rest of us.
>>17370
It is too late. Socialism is barely a dirty word in the United States anymore and in literally every other country you can name it's capitalism that is the dirty word. A study of American millenials showed they prefer socialism to capitalism. It's over. Do you remember that Reagan speech where he said "if liberty falls here there's no place left to run to"? Well liberty is falling. And there is nowhere left to run to. Nobody picked up the torch, now the whole fucking world's on fire.
No.17378
>>17376
My solution is we fight back. We need to root out socialism and political correctness by making Trump win.
And no, nuking Russia does nothing good since Russia is no longer socialist, it's just suicide for both nations, and none of us deserve that for fighting for liberty.
No.17379
>>17378
>My solution is we fight back. We need to root out socialism and political correctness by making Trump win.
Do you think 'political correctness' is what's destroying this country, you dumbass? That's just a symptom of the disease, and as symptoms go it's not even one of the worse ones. Ungodly debt, gargantuan public spending and, worse, the suggestion that cutting public spending makes you some heartless such and such that hates the poor and vulnerable and blah fucking blah being the common wisdom is what the real problem is. There is almost none of the old American spirit left, certainly not in its pure 'small government' form, the best you can find is people that coincidentally believe in some of the things the founders believe in because that specific part fits in with their own ideology but the Constitution as a sacred document and ideological fiber of the nation is fucking dead, nobody gives a fuck anymore. Nobody gives a fuck.
Even when I talk up Cruz, I don't do it out of any belief that he's going to be able to truly fix anything, because it is unfixable. The soul is dead and only the meat lives on. All Cruz will do is buy us a few more years, a few more years of stalling the statists, a few more years where you can make money and spend it on what you want without the government fully penetrating you. A couple more years to stock up on guns and ammo. But that's it. The American experiment is over. It'll be nothing but increasing statism and muck from here on out as more and more of the fucked up newer generations start voting, and that goes for everybody by the way. America is the farthest back on the timeline, but we're all dying from the same disease, we're just at different stages. In ten years America will be like Canada is now, Canada like Australia is now, Australia like England, England like the EU and the EU like communist fucking Russia.
No.17381
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>>17379
It's really refreshing to see someone who isn't fucking worshiping Trump's cock, but I will say that I think your opinion of Cruz is a bit too high.
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I think I'll start coming here more often; this seems like a nice little board, and from what I've seen so far, the people here are actually capable of arguing.
No.17383
>>17379
If Cruz goes to war with Russia, you wouldn't even have a fucking nation to complain about.
And no, the moment we cut out the political correctness is the moment the opinion shifts on our side, that's the moment we can point out the right from the wrong and get this country back.
You say nobody gives a fuck when you and me give a fuck, the Trump voters give a fuck. Now do you just give up or do you want to fight?
No.17386
>>17378
>My solution is we fight back. We need to root out socialism and political correctness by making Trump win.
At best, you would replace political correctness with political anti-correctness. Already happened on /pol/ and a bunch of other boards. You faggots acting like SJW's with their polarity reversed has become a meme for a reason, you know?
No.17387
>>17386
If there are untruth in our movement, you are free to debate it on /pol/. We ain't afraid to debate even if our movement too has our fair share of retards.
I do not like ancap, but would rather fight with you over the commies any days.
No.17390
>war
>tariffs
>deport 12 million Mexicans
No.17432
>>17342
That's not how to spell now you retarded nigger
>>17387
Ancaps are pacifists
No.17439
>>17432
>Ancaps are pacifists
We're not. We are against initiating aggression. Few ancaps are against retribution, none that I know of are against self-defense.
No.17441
>>17439
That is literally pacifism.
No.17445
>>17441
Pacifism says that violence is never okay
Fucking /pol/
No.17447
>>17381
Not even Ron Paul was perfect. The proof of Cruz is in the pudding, if he wasn't such a constitutionalist and didn't spit on people like McConnell he would have been given the keys to the kingdom by now like Paul Ryan instead of being out in the wilderness. He's a good man, if I didn't want him for president I'd love for him to take Scalia's place on the bench but no fucking way our RINO congress would ever get onboard with that.
>>17383
>If Cruz goes to war with Russia, you wouldn't even have a fucking nation to complain about.
I'd rather America make those faggots pay and then perish while we can still call ourselves the land of the free with a halfway straight face than continue this degeneration and betrayal of everything we ever stood for. I know where this ends up: one world government, and I can't stand the fucking thought.
>You say nobody gives a fuck when you and me give a fuck, the Trump voters give a fuck. Now do you just give up or do you want to fight?
People don't give a fuck for the right reasons. All I care about is the Constitution. To me that is what this country fundamentally is. I would replace everybody in this country with fucking Africans if it restored civic nationalism and respect and reverence for our Constitution. Trump? He's some populist douche, a modern day il duce who'd wipe his ass with the founding document if he thought it'd help achieve what he thought was right. He doesn't care what's written there, it's just a goddamned piece of paper to him. The drones he appeals to don't give a shit about the Constitution either, they just want higher wages and whiter faces and to be safer. That's what Europe used to be for. America used to be a place where a man could make his way and earn his keep and be fairly sure he could be free doing it. Even the people 'against' the current form of increasing statism want to replace it not with small government but a whole other kind of statism. No one gives two shits for freedom anymore, just a few diehards like me pining for a country that's long gone and not coming back.
No.17448
>>17432
>Ancaps are pacifists
[citation needed]
>>17441
Dictionary definition of pacifist
>a person who believes that war and violence are unjustifiable
If you believe that violence can be justified then you aren't a pacifist
Now, [citation needed] on why you think AnCaps believe that violence is never justified
No.17450
>>17390
>people support Rand because he's the only one who seems to give a shit about the budget and shrinking the government
>they should now support Trump because he's going to double the defecit with a pointless gesture and make the government put businesses on a leash and tie them to a pole in the middle of America
I will never understand this. Just because they both don't subscribe to the typical cancerous neocon platform the GOP has been pushing the last couple decades doesn't mean they're the same person.
No.17451
>>17450
>tfw Rand would have ended wars, stopped NSA spying, and cut taxes while still having a surplus within 4 years
BUT MUH MUSLIMS
MUH MEXICANS
MUH CHINA
No.17454
>>17441
Well, if that's pacifism, then pacifism does not stand in the way of a fight. Someone tell Gandhi about this.
No.17455
>>17387
We're only "free" to debate it in the most technical sense that we can post without being banned for certain.
Current day 8ch /pol/ is not interested in a dialogue or arguing facts. The most minor, ostensible inkling of dissent sends anon into a spastic fit of mimetic pejoratives. "CUCK!" "SHILL" "LOLBERGTARDIAN!" "CHAIME/SCHLOMO/GOLDBERG!" "D&C!" "B2REDDIT!" "SAGE! SAGE! SAGE!"
And that visceral, reflex shitposting does indeed suggest fear of debate.
No.17463
>>17445
>>17448
The budhist warrior monks were pacifists, they only fought in defense of their temples
No.17464
>>17455
This is not true, when i was a leftist i shitposted and trolled on /pol/ for a while, then i debated, i have yet to recieve a ban.
No.17467
>>17451
Rand would've gotten wrecked by Rubio or Bush.
No.17468
>>17463
Clearly they weren't pacifists
It's okay to be wrong /pol/ :)
No.17471
>>17467
Rubio maybe, Bush no. I've never seen such a non-starter get pushed by the establishment, it just how out of touch they are. Even Romney and McCain had more hype. Bush was DOA.
No.17478
>>17367
>Cruz is a conservative purebred the likes of which we haven't seen since Ron Paul, a true constitutionalist
Ted Cruz supported the Patriot Act, NSA spying, imprisonment for victimless crimes, sucking Israel's dick and starting wars for it, etc.
He's a bland cuckservative neocon who panders to fundamentalist inbreds, not a "constitutionalist". When it comes to positions on libertarian issues, he's literally no different than Yeb! Bush.
No.17493
>>17478
>'cuckservative'
Instantly discarded.
No.17498
>>17493
Cruz is an establishment neocon, or at least shits on our civil liberties just as much as any other establishment neocon.
For real, tell me how Cruz is more libertarian than Yeb.
No.17536
>>17341
/pol/ banned me for calling bullshit on their unreasonable worship of Donald Trump as the God Emperor.
No.17542
I'm promoting Hoppean anarcho-capitalism on /pol/ with moderate success. Then again, maybe I'm a closet Nazi.
No.17583
>>17498
>Cruz is an establishment neocon
You would have to be terrifically retarded, on a level with the average breitbart commenter, to think Ted Cruz is an establishment anything.
>For real, tell me how Cruz is more libertarian than Yeb.
How about by killing the Gang of Eight bill? How about by writing the amicus for DC vs Heller? How about calling Mitch McConnell a quisling RINO cunt on the senate floor?
No.17611
Cruz is owned by Goldman Sachs
Trump is literally owned by every bank if you look at his debts inb4 "Muh debts ain't thr same as them there donations/pacs! and Rubio is a spic.
I was endorsing Rand because he was somewhat of a small government conservative, but with him out of the race and Scalia murdered, I've just been sitting here drinking my Imperial stout and laughing/crying at what's happening.
Luckily my job can be done 100% under-the-table, so I'll be safe when it comes time to resort to a black market due to food shortages and ridiculous laws.
Replace Sanders with Trump for /pol/ fags.
No.17612
>>17542
Hoppe is a mild Nazi, but that's because he's honest with himself. Relationships and family values are as much subject to the free market as goods and services- at the end of the day, the family that bumfucks, mutilated their genitals/bodies, and contracts diseases from fucking everything with a pulse is unlikely to reproduce as much as the family that fucks like rabbits monogomously, worships the lord, and punishes bad behavior in favor of sustainability if resources/culture.
No.17614
>>17612
>Hoppe is a mild Nazi,
Yeah, social ostracism is literally anotha one.holocaust, that is.
No.17617
>>17612
> Hoppe is a mild Nazi
Well, he's no socialist, that's for sure.
No.17618
>>17611
> Rand
Enjoy your brown socialist invasion.
No.17625
>>17618
[less informed voter alert]
Rand didn't even like immigrants
No.17626
>>17625
I suppose he still doesn't
He's not dead
No.17670
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>>17625
> didn't
exactly
> I suppose he still doesn't
You suppose against evidence.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Rand_Paul_Immigration.htm
"Q: You have said that the 11 million immigrants in this country already here should have some legal status and pay taxes. You want to find some sort of legal status for them?
PAUL: What I want to do first is secure the border. If we secure the border and we can say who is coming, who is going, and only people come, come legally, the 11 million that are here, I think there could be a work status for them. And I think what I have tried to say is, what we want is more legal immigration, so we have less illegal immigration. But I am open to immigration reform. I voted against the bill that came forward, though, primarily because it limited the number of legal work visas."
He also panders to niggers about their well-deserved overrepresentation in prison inmate population.
He may be faking both, but I don't appreciate or forgive it. He fucked up.
No.17678
>>17670
Maybe I was wrong
But I don't think he would want them to vote or get welfare
Also you have to put a lot of the black problem on government.
No.18015
>>17583
Cruz shits on civil liberties just as much as any neocon. If you don't care about civil liberties, you belong on /pol/, not /liberty/.
again,
>Ted Cruz supported the Patriot Act, NSA spying, imprisonment for victimless crimes, sucking Israel's dick and starting wars for it, etc.
No.18337
>>17342
>>17366
I'll vote for him if you stop making a thread on /pol/ every time Trump takes a shit and tweets the pic.
No.18338
>>18337
meant to say "tweets a pic of it"