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 No.19073

>>>/pol/5284780

The board owner has stickied a personal army request. This is a new, unprecedented level of autism.

 No.19083

But it's a PA request from the god emperor


 No.19084

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>>19083

>god emperor

Trump is a meme-politician. Kinda like Ron Paul, except that Paul was also a good politician.


 No.19086

Who cares about /pol/? If the natsoc larpers trash their hugbox, so what?


 No.19103

>>19086

It's fun to chart the progress of the disease. Incidentally since /pol/ tends to leak on other boards like a broken septic tank it's useful to know what those goons have worked themselves up about lately, if only so you can parse what they're talking about when they chimp out on /v/ or whatever.


 No.19314

>>19084

>He's a meme politician

>Because I said so

>businessmen can't be good politicians

top cuck. Good luck wasting your vote for Gary Johnson, faggot


 No.19318

>>19314

>snek of freedum

>voting for a politician who will impose a 40% tariff


 No.19331

>>19318

>free market = free trade

Nice meme


 No.19333

>>19084

ron paul was right, but that doesn't make him a good politician.


 No.19334

>>19318

>wanting american industry to be forced to compete with china, taiwan, and malaysia

i bet you support NAFTA too


 No.19337

>>19331

>>19333

>>19334

>he doesn't want to pay artificially high prices to prop up inefficient firms!!

>he wants people to be free to do business with whoever they want!!

>he wants low prices and high wages thru specialisation!!

Yes because we're libertarians

>>>/out/

and stay out forever you complete ignorant statist shits


 No.19347

>>19337

Now anon, he might just be an ignorant fella. Lots of libertarians are secretly nationalists (over 1/2 of Libertarians oppose open borders in National not-SFL polls).

>>19334

Free trade was what was bring in us out of the great depression. Tariffs forced us back into it. Do you think that Chinamen just take our dollars and ship us shitty products, and that is the end of the game?

No, of course it isn't. Those Chinamen invest back into the economy and spend those US dollars on us down the line, and the cheaper goods make it easier to provide cheaper, better products. Not to mention thar when you put trade restrictions in place, so does everyone else which means YOU can't grt the parts that you don't produce at home. The only thing wrong about our current overseas trade is the regulations and that we're trading debt instead of currency.

If you're opposed to jobs being shipped overseas, get rid of market regulations like the minimum wage and social security/healthcare benefits, and work to make it easier to get US citizens work visas abroad.


 No.19349

>>19347

>Free trade was what was bring in us out of the great depression

Nope, that was bombing half of the planetary industrial infrastructure to rubble and helping the Soviets loot the other half.

>Lots of libertarians are secretly nationalists

Maybe they should start being open about it to clean away the poz.


 No.19350

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>>19349

>nope, that was bombing half of the planetary industrial infrastructure to rubble and helping the Soviets loot the other half

Pls prove that this happened and it did what you say


 No.19351

>>19350

Wrong image but maybe it is relevant


 No.19352

>>19331

>interfering with private commerical transactions because of arbitrary geographical boundaries = free market

Nice meme


 No.19354

>>19350

While not the sole cause of the recovery, the Western Eropean and Japanese industrial bases being reduced to rubble gave American manufactured goods a significant competative advantage. In 1948, for instance, the USA accounted for over 40% of world GDP and contained nearly half of the industrial capacity. It was also just about the only western nation to have any gold reserves left, because many other countries and sold theirs off to it for arms.

The USA was already recovering in 1939, since much of the malinvestment of both the 20s and the early New Deal had finally been devalued accordingly in the 1937 crash.


 No.19359

>>19349

It's amazing how the same folks who recognize that government-backed unions fuck up the economy can't recognize that stifling free trade creates government-backed unions.


 No.19360

>>19350

Why is that kid so smug? Is he implying that millenials caught onto his shit?

>>19349

Nationalist doesn't mean HANG THE NIGGERS GAS THE JEWS 14/88. Then again an open borders policy doesn't look so bad when you don't have a welfare state inviting lazy human refuse to sit on their ass and collect checks. I imagine you wouldn't put that at the forefront of your platform because the risk of opening your borders before abolishing welfare is dangerous.

>poz

Nice meme.


 No.19362

>>19334

>>19347

of course i support free trade in the event that the government was willing to get rid of minimum wage and other welfare state shit, but without that happening, protectionism and border security are necessary. that's why i don't like NAFTA. sure in principal it's sound, but coupled with our over regulation of industries and labor, it's bleeding us dry.


 No.19366

>>19337

Protectionism is necessary to maintain economic stability and national stability

>>19352

>arbitrary

Nice meme


 No.19367

>>19366

National sovereignty*

hotwheels reeeee


 No.19372

>>19366

[citation needed]

Those who dismiss without an argument can be dismissed without an argument.


 No.19375

>>19366

We're going to interfere with your freedom, make you pay unnecessarily high prices for things, and hinder capital flows / balance of trade, basically making the economy less efficient..

Because the economy has to be STABLE

We should also stop people making scientific discoveries. How much instability science has caused in our glorious economy

We should also make people buy the same things their whole lives and not change their consumption patterns. How many businesses have been destroyed when people change their preferences for no reason

Also

>muh sovereignty

Cancer. Get the fuck out you power hungry statist shit


 No.19384

>>19375

>muh freedumbz

>muh efficiency

The rest is strawman

>Cancer

Schlomo please


 No.19387

>>19384

You are shit and should kill yourself

>muh freedumbz

>muh efficiency

Are you autistic or do people really need to explain why these things matter?

Kill yourself

>the rest is strawman

I was demonstrating how shitty your 'keep the economy the same!!' bullshit is

Kill yourself

>schlomo please

le meme xp

Kill yourself


 No.19394

>>19387

>TRIGGERED: the post


 No.19395

>>19394

Jesus even by /pol/ standards you are a dumbfuck.


 No.19396

>>19395

>>19394

Can we please try to be cordial?


 No.19397

>>19394

You still haven't explained how stealing property and forcing people to change their behaviour promotes "stability". If you want maximum stability then go to Soviet Russia where there were never any shortages or surpluses and everything always ran smoothly.


 No.19398

>>19396

No need. If someone talks shit, respond with shit. No point in overinvesting like this >>19375 fool.

(another/pol/)


 No.19399

>>19396

Did you not notice the swastika?


 No.19400

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>>19398

I just don't want /liberty/ to degrade into ad hominem and

>(1)

While I do not care for fascism and Stalinism, I respect them as the only other ideologies that are logically consistent. A person either has a right to bodily autonomy or he or she does not; none of this some rights (which are all aspects of the one to bodily autonomy) are okay to violate but not others nonsense. The ways to morally justify anything besides anarchy or a totalitarian state are

1) God said to do this, so we are

2) People don't have any fundamental natural rights (yay consequentialism XD), but we aren't implementing totalitarianism (not that there is anything wrong with that) at the moment because we don't need to

3) There is no non-normative morality, and the Constitution says so and so

Cases 1 and 3 are intellectually bankrupt. A government built upon case 2 turns into totalitarianism in a hot minute after someone seductively whispers "its for the greater good."


 No.19401

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I forgot my flag.

>>19400

Not all interpretations of fascism are the same. Most don't have a well-defined philosophical base. An ideology, like fascism, may be logically consistent in one way and not so in another. As a whole, the ideology would still be logically inconsistent albeit with some logically consistent elements.

Identifying someone as an idiot isn't ad hominem. It's not an argument. It's a public service for others.

Your image should have been posted on this thread: >>19299. It's an okay post and I agree with much of it. I'm not sure why you extend the "perfectly logical" attribute to fascism however. Fascism isn't Hegelian. There's no inexorable current towards an "end of history" point in fascism.

Marx's materialist conception of history works like religion in the minds of adherents. It's the promise of a socialist utopia that creates the fanaticism often observed. Perceived infallibility does this to people. It's not actually unique communists at all.


 No.19402

>>19401

I extend the characterization to fascism because I have yet to find a fascist who supports the notion that people, by virtue of their very humanity, have anything like natural rights.


 No.19403

>>19402

Human rights are above the rights of the state [but below the rights of the race]. That's Hitler. Do you find this expression logically consistent?


 No.19404

>>19403

That depends on how much coercion other members of the race are allowed to use to ensure compliance.


 No.19405

>>19404

To be quite honest, I'm not sure how to fit race into this.


 No.19406

>>19404

It's not logically consistent unless you believe in qualified natural rights which is almost an oxymoron.




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