/liberty/ - Liberty

With Ron Paul going out of fashion there's no reason to appeal to Libertarians.

I talked to some /pol/acks, even the more "intelligent" ones (not sure whether you can call them intelligent when all they do is defend stupid measures they actually believe in) think they are smarter than they are and invariably end up calling you degenerate/a kike/a parasite and threaten to murder you (eventually). The latter is important; only impotent, edgy faggots threaten you over the internet with murdering you if they ever get the chance to do it.

Why do you care about /pol/? They are mostly under 18 and are all just role playing their stupid shite

>>7506

They don't seem to be roleplaying, and even if they were, that would just make them sad failed trolls. Rule of thumb: If your trolling takes more effort than your opposition wastes in arguing with you, then you fail at trolling.

>>7506

It's a barrel of fun to go troll there and enjoy the disorder, but the fact that some of them have started to unironically endorse authoritarianism is just kinda sad.

Three years ago libertarianism was hot shit on /pol/, but after the 2012 election most /pol/acks retroactively declared that they hate libertarianism.

>>7513

Trump is like a fucking clown.

I honestly believe if Rand Paul ran as official GOP candidate he would win.

>>7516

Rand Paul can't decide whether he wants to be the standard GOP goon or like his father. He knows the right things to say, he's just scared to say them. Which is retarded, he's going to lose to Trump or Jeb and nothing will have been gained, when he could have tried his best to continue the Ron Paul revolution, and it would have been great. Donald Trump is winning because he's an insane person, but he's also honest and doesn't give a shit about what people think. It's the quality that makes people like him. Politicians are like fucking robots, so when someone stands up that actually seems like a human being people will vote for them, even if they disagree with a lot of their policies

>>7542

I'd take Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton every day:

http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-faces-scandal-amid-expectant-presidential-run/

I'm getting really sick of all the authoritarian horsehit on /pol/, check this shit out 8ch.net/pol/res/2697385.html

I'm no fan of commies but this police worship is ridiculous

>>7543

Am I the only one who hates this Bernie Sanders chucklefuck way more than I hate Hilary? Seriously, it's like a bunch of mad scientists took a bunch of retarded leftist rhetoric and gave it sentience and a physical form. I do not want to see Hilary in office, but Sanders seems like he'd be way worse.

And yeah, I'd take Trump over either of them no questions asked.

>>7549

You and me both, anon. If, a few years ago, you told me that any portion of my life whatsoever would be spent trying to explain to someone that fascism is bad, I'd have called you crazy.

>>7549

Someone shoot these motherfuckers from the italian police in the face, please.

>>7550

>Am I the only one who hates this Bernie Sanders chucklefuck way more than I hate Hilary?

No, not after I have seen an interview of him claiming that you can delegate rights you do not have. Vid related.

>>7553

Holy shit, this guy is such a stereotypical politician. It's like giving a straight answer would give him an aneurysm or something. And people are just eating this shit up.

At least a fair number of people seem to have not heard of him, because, more than any other candidate in the past few elections, I'm legitimately kinda scared of what would happen if he gets elected President.

>>7554

I just looked at Wikipedia. From what I heard there, he's about as qualified as any leftist student. Not sure whether the dumb fuck has ever even written a book, but probably not.

>>7553

Update, I just asked the foreign office of my country to fuck over Italy. Not sure whether I should expect an answer from these useless fucks, but hey, one can try.

We moved beyond lolbertarianism

How the Money Power created Libertarianism and Austrian Economics

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/how-the-money-power-created-libertarianism-and-austrian-economics/

>>7550

>>7543

Trump would be much better than Hillarity or Sanders, but he's still barely better than your standard issue neocon

>>7549

Call me a tinfoiler, but I think Trump has hired actual shills to win over millennial conservatives and corral in the stormcucks and make them vote neocon

>>7574

>Anyone with a German surname has to be a jew!

The Koch brothers are Dutch/German gentiles from the midwest and went to WASP dominated universities.

>>7578

>>7579

lol wut? Gary North was funded by ZOG and his article was responded to 2 days later:

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/responding-to-gary-north

>>7619

Found chart I was looking for; North was funded by Volker Fund:

https://thedailyknell.wordpress.com/libertarian-network-chart/

"William S. Volker (1859-1947) was a wealthy German-Jewish businessman."

http://www.henrymakow.com/libertarianism_as_an_illuminat.html#sthash.whmKrGGs.dpuf

How the Illuminati $pawn Libertarians

http://www.henrymakow.com/building_on_the_volker_fund_le.html

Gary North’s Bluff: the Lie he’s been sitting on for 50 years

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/gary-norths-bluff-the-lie-hes-been-sitting-on-for-50-years/

>>7621

There is literally nothing wrong with "usury" (As defined by those links i.e charging an interest at all.) in and of itself. The anti-usury people assume loaning out with interest is always exploitive, which is demonstrably false. People take out loans because (they feel.) the long term benefit to the short term cash flow out weights the long term cost. For instance, when a business owner takes out a loan to kickstart his business he does so because the profit he will make from investing the loan into his business is greater then the interest he pays on the loan, or if I take out a loan to buy a house it's because the value of the quality of life benefit I receive over time outweighs the cost of paying interest instead of saving for a longer period and then buying the house.

That's not to say unethical interested loans can't exist, only that charging loans with interest are not necessarily unethical. Ideally it's a positive sum game where both parties benefit.

>>7513

The one flaw in your infographic is the use of the word "we." What the 2012 primaries proved was that the RNC leadership picks the winner, not the primary republican voters (aka the "we")

>>7628

There is some argument that bank loans are a scam, but that is only because of fractional reserve lending, which the common "loan shark" isn't allowed to participate in. When you are not loaning out your own wealth, but creating wealth out of thin air, the loan repayment itself is a profit, let alone the interest. It further powers inflation as well.

>>7630

Of course the jew wants his shekels, who knew?

>>7493

For whatever reason, a lot of these people are offended when libertarian philosophy and its system were brought up into a discussion. They never want to understand the logic regarding the system, let alone accept it.

/pol/ ancap here. Easy to explain. The main threat to liberty right now is the demographic shift from whites towards Mexicans. Trump is the strongest against that. Then, he moves the overton window to the right by shitting all over political correctness, driving lefties mad and distracting them from advancing their socialist and cultural Marxist agendas. Third, his foreign policy is surprisingly similar to that of Ron Paul, except that he sells it waaaay better.

>>18076

Oh, he also has a very real chance of winning the election. And now we've learned he wants to AUDIT THE FED.

>>18076

I agree with most of that, but he's far closer to GOP conservative than Ron Paul

Seems to me he's only talking shit on Iraq because he's an opportunist and thinks that's what people want to hear. Beside that he wants to defend Israel, bomb ISIS, and stare down Iran over nuclear missiles. Possibly bombing them

He doesn't care about peace and thinks US is best country eva 420

I mean of course he says he'll only join wars that are in US interests. Everyone says that. George Bush too

>>18076

>immigration from mexico was stronger during 2008 than today

>being this utterly retarded

>>18082

> I agree with most of that, but he's far closer to GOP conservative than Ron Paul

Ron Paul is not running, and Rand is pandering to blacks and Mexicans.

> Seems to me he's only talking shit on Iraq because he's an opportunist and thinks that's what people want to hear.

At least he's saying it. Other GOP candidates want to take down Assad.

> Beside that he wants to defend Israel

Any other position is instant electoral defeat.

> bomb ISIS

In coordination with Russia, which is great. Other GOP candidates want to start WW3 against Russia.

> and stare down Iran over nuclear missiles.

Well, I agree with him on that. Iran must be kept in check.

> Possibly bombing them

I only heard him talk about sanctions. His policy in general is peace through streght. Have a strong military, use it as little as possible.

> He doesn't care about peace

Making America look like a powerless cuck is not good for peace.

> thinks US is best country eva 420

He's right, you know. I'm not American, btw. Besides, telling otherwise to the American electorate is also instant electoral defeat.

>>18083

> gee the water is up to the bathtub rim, but it was running faster a few minutes ago, why the urge to close the tap?

>>18090

>so lets try to fit our finger inside the faucet to see if it stops, instead of closing the tap

fantastic idea

>>18076

>the main threat to liberty right now is the demographic shift from whites towards Mexicans.

that moment when you realise that liberty isn't an essence but a concept that is a particularity to western civilization, especially the anglo-sphere

that's the moment when you aren't an ancap anymore

>>18099

No, that's the moment you become a HOPPEAN ancap ;)

>>18099

'Essential to the anglosphere' my ass. England is the same goddamned shit as the rest of Europe, so is Australia. Canada is barely better than either of them and that's just from being close enough to America to have cultural osmosis and an inhospitable enough climate that some small speck of self-reliance and respect for self-reliance remains in them. Barely.

Let's just fucking admit it: liberty is an American thing. And briefly a French thing.

>>18092

Border control is generally how you stop people from entering your country. Not sure what "closing the tap" means, but you are a leftist so I'm guessing you just mean "kill people"

>>18092

> so let's give a witty meaningless reply instead of a rebuttal

You said there was more reason to stop immigration in 2008 than now, I proved you wrong, end of story.

>>18149

Also this.

>>18147

> Let's just fucking admit it: liberty is an American thing.

That's a very ahistorical view. America is the culmination of a long Western (white) tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiocracy#Individualism_and_laissez-faire

Even before that, Spanish scholastics developed many "Austrian" ideas:

https://mises.org/library/new-light-prehistory-austrian-school

>>18174

More like, remember your roots. We are all part of European culture, bro ;)

>>18149

Turning off tap means transitioning towards socialism which, being the utopian system it is, would eliminate the need for emigration to America (if anything, US proletarians should be leaving).

It boils down to "socialism has never been tried" and their inability to learn from experience.

>>7602

>Call me a tinfoiler, but I think Trump has hired actual shills to win over millennial conservatives and corral in the stormcucks and make them vote neocon

You are absolutely not alone in this belief. I feel the same way.