/liberty/ - Liberty

Roads should be a free space.

>>7587

I think it was placed there in the middle on purpose.

>>7592

Actually, it wasn't, but I totally should've placed it there on purpose.

>>7593

You could have lied and said you place it their on purpose. We probably would have believed you.

>>7596

I think I might have placed it there on purpose, now that I think about. It's the epitome of a statist argument, after all. Gotta read that one book about roads in an anarchist society, and then I'll laugh for twelve days and twelve nights because people keep bringing this shit up.

>>7581

Cringeworthy

>>7624

Not as cringeworthy as being a stalinist.

>whether anarchy and private property are compatible.

They are not.

>>7627

anarchy as in no government or as in no hierarchy? no hierarchy is incompatible with humans beings, but government/coercion is another question.

>>7625

>charging rent for roads you paved and maintain is literally exploitation

ayy

>>7631

That is exactly the same as state toll roads

>>7631

also in a state you get a ticket if you cant pay, in ancap youre an agressor and the capitalist has every right to break your legs

>>7642

Try refusing to pay the ticket and see what the state does to you.

>>7652

>I'll just quote a random sentence and pretend to laugh about it because I can't think of a convincing counter-argument

Typical lefty.

>>7657

>muh human nature is an argument

Consider suicide

>>7660

Claiming that "no hierarchy is incompatible with humans beings" without backing it up is not an argument, you fucking retard.

But here, read a book:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works

>>7659

Not just human nature, animal nature too

. You are the result of life consuming live, all striving to become the most efficient consumer of the finite amount of energy that will exist in the universe's lifetime.

>>7663

the unabomber (no fan of capitalism or industrialization himself.) wrote a thorough debunking of most of the anarchoprimivist hogwash that author is selling. http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-truth-about-primitive-life-a-critique-of-anarchoprimitivism

Of course, he's perfectly fine trading the security and comfort of industrial civilization for the freedom and equality he believe primitive people had, but I don't share this view. You may think a life that's "nasty, brutish, and short" is preferable to one that's unequal, in which case I recommend starving yourself to death so that you don't impose inequality on other plant or animal life.

>>7641

Yeah, except that the people have payed for the roads the government is tolling.

It's them stealing your money to build a road, and then charging you to use it.

Quite a bit different.

>>7794

With public roads you don't have to worry about a visit from mr. guard.

Also if all roads are privatized all roads are toll roads

>>7826

>With public roads you don't have to worry about a visit from mr. guard.

Which is why no one was ever stopped by the police on a public road, ever.

>Also if all roads are privatized all roads are toll roads

Not when they are plastered with advertisements, are paid for by the businesses next to them or are owned and maintained by a community for their own use. Not like I expect a dumbass like you to have to have the spirit of an entrepreneur, or at least some creativity. Nope, what you assholes want is to pay for every service there is by robbery and then claim it's actually free.

>>7826

>With public roads you don't have to worry about a visit from mr. guard.

Right, just a visit from your friendly policeman who has the authority to break into your home, steal your belongings, kidnap you, and ultimately murder you if you do not immediately surrender to him

How's that better, agian?

>Also if all roads are privatized all roads are toll roads

Not necessarily. While they'd need to acquire some form of revenue, this might not necessarily be from purely tolls. Perhaps, for instance, they'd try as the other fellow suggested, advertisements. Or perhaps, they'd be payed for by nearby companies who want a clean, efficient infrastructure to their place of business for use by consumers.

Regardless, again, how is this any worse than the current system of tolling everyone, regardless of whether or not they use the roads, and then threatening them with theft, kidnapping, or worse if they refuse to pay?

>>7652

Any time someone owns something there's a hierarchy.

>>7641

why would yo play tolls for roads when donations and adverts will pay for the roads?

>>7581

Bumping this, for obvious reasons.

>>7629

>no hierarchy is incompatible with humans beings

Proves its.

>>7641

>That is exactly the same as state toll roads

Except:

1) The state doesn't actually own anything.

2) AnCaps aren't complaining about toll roads; paying for what you use only makes sense. What they're complaining about is taxes, which are paid under threat of force whether you use the roads or not.

>>7642

>in ancap youre an agressor and the capitalist has every right to break your legs

I've got a grand idea! This guy owes me money, so I'm going to break his legs! That'll:

A) Make sure he's fully equipped to pay me back.

B) Endear me to others I might want to do business with.

C) In no way expose myself or my agents to the danger of him protecting himself personally or through agents of his own.

Surely that's more effective and profitable than just updating his credit score to represent the delinquency, thereby affecting people's willingness to do business with him until he corrects it.

>>7871

>Any time someone owns something there's a hierarchy.

hi·er·ar·chy

ˈhī(ə)ˌrärkē/

noun

a system or organization in which people or groups are ranked one above the other according to status or authority.

Ownership is universal: everyone owns something, so to respect ownership is to respect the rights of all persons. This does not establish a hierarchy.

>>7652

LOOK UP THE IRON LAW OF OLIGARCHY YOU FUCKING CUNT

>>7827

you are stopped by the poilce for breaking the law, not for not consuming

>>7831

>How's that better, agian?

if such thing happened to you most likely you were a criminal, not a non-consumer

>>14936

>you are stopped by the poilce for breaking the law, not for not consuming

>if such thing happened to you most likely you were a criminal, not a non-consumer

You completely ignored the fact that the people watching over the road will not come over to your house and beat you up just because you drove on their road. Unlike the police, who will majorly fuck you up if they see you gambling. From your perspective, we're exchanging twenty petty things that are illegal with one, namely driving on the road, which isn't enforced with such draconian measures as shit gambling or

Not that I see your problem with the toll roads. Even if we assume that would happen (even though advertisements or flatrates might be a more effective means of garnering precious shekels), then I don't see why the hell you're throwing such a fit over it when you accept taxation.