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 No.83656

Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society? Are they products of a nanny-state culture? Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

 No.83660

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>>83656

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

No. They are sexual communists, they want the state to regulate the supply of pussy.

>Are they products of a nanny-state culture?

Not exactly, they are by-products of a hyper-sexual culture, which resulted from Jewish propaganda sexualizing our women.

>Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Probably not.

>Why do so many people hate incels?

Because they are human trash who have been sorted out by natural selection.

>Is this simply blaming the victim?

Despite being victims and fighting an uphill battle, they can still improve their own situation, but instead they choose to destroy themselves and blame everyone else for it. I don't think the bad publicity they get is justified though, when Muslims rape and blow people up every week, people rush to defend them, when incels do it once or twice a year, the media shits itself.


 No.83661

>>83656

why not just rent a prostitute tho?

seriously, the only market I would miss in communism is a sex market

if only there were no STDs..


 No.83663

>>83661

There are clean hookers and they cost more.


 No.83671

>>83663

Yes, but they would be cleaner and cost less if prostitution was legalized.


 No.83686

>>83656

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

They are completely right.

> Are they products of a nanny-state culture?

No, they are products of hard times.

>Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Yes, those fucking normalniggers are practically another race now. Pehraps that is why they hate whites so much…

>Final question: Why do so many people hate incels?

Because they are told so. It's also a instinct to hate what's different.

>Is this simply blaming the victim?

Is. This is what jews always do, say the agressor is the victim and the victim the agressor.


 No.83687

File: 31238dfda82df88⋯.png (553.29 KB, 720x754, 360:377, ClipboardImage.png)

>>83661

>thinking it's all about sex

<pussy will solve all problems

The mind of a normalfag everyone. They want love and a wife.


 No.83689

I want you all to fuck off back to >>>/tv/1312956


 No.83690

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>>83686

My girlfriend can't stop laughing at your post.


 No.83691

>>83661

They want love and a significant relationship, not a one night stand and the clap.


 No.83692

>>83686

>Yes, those fucking normalniggers are practically another race now. Pehraps that is why they hate whites so much…

Autists are normalniggers? And they hate whites?

>Because they are told so. It's also a instinct to hate what's different.

The fact that you don't see how directly contradictory that post is is hilarious.

>Is. This is what jews always do, say the agressor is the victim and the victim the agressor.

Fuck you are so fucking stupid.

Inceldom really produces the worst garbage humans imaginable.


 No.83693

>>83663

>clean hookers

oxymoron

maybe some high end escort can be assumed clean, but there's no guarantee

all the hookers in my area can suck you off without a condom for a bit of extra which tells me all I need to know about their cleanness

also the window period for a HIV test is a month

the rule of a thumb is to always use extra strength condoms and remove them accurately

the one time when I got an infection was because of my own sloppiness

>>83691

>They want love and a significant relationship

lol, so they want all the boring stuff

love fades away fast, and whats left is a human that you can't fucking stand but forced to live with

but maybe that's just my personal experience speaking because I'm forced to pay child support, means I'm forced to get my pay under the table which is a lot of trouble


 No.83707

>>83690

MODS MODS MODS


 No.83710

File: 9611388bc6f98f2⋯.jpg (640.23 KB, 861x1414, 123:202, libertine.jpg)

>>83656

No, their perception is tainted through and through, but they are free to believe it so long as they don't harm others, which some of their "community" has done. If they continue to be a threat then they should be dealt with, preferably by taking away their power source, the internet.

>are they products?

yes absolutely. they are safe without fear, a rabbit raised in a hutch, however stuff like tinder puts the tantalizing prospect of being judged as valuable in their immediate attention. Used to the love from mommy, they assume they will be worshiped by random females. However when they don't get the approval they seek, their ego gets bruised and since they are too weak to fight the ego they support its claims and declare themselves oppressed or disenfranchised and rebel from society claiming it to be a noble, not misanthropic action

>rising autism

you mean over diagnosis of autism? yes of course. I have the same issues with stuff like ADD. not all brains function on the same level and having big pharma thrive off the fear of your brain working differently is sad, SAD

>hate incels

nah nothing is worth hating unless it starts to hurt those around me I love.. if I had family member or loved one start acting like an incel I'd probably take an immediate interest and offer to help them from falling into that pit


 No.83720

>glorify some mentally ill kid who murdered people because women wouldn't fall on his dick without him lifting a single finger

<wonder why people think you are a retard


 No.83728

>>83656

I don't think that incel stuff is particularly new or recent but just since now its so easy to connect and develop an insulated safe space for ideas to evolve and grow more radical, you see that in a lot of communities online. Though, I don't have any historical knowledge it's just a hypothesis. Though I'm sure there is an element of nanny-state and modern society that doesn't help the problem.

I feel bad for incels the same way I feel bad for that gay who shot up that Florida night club, it's self hatred and loneliness manifesting itself in outward aggression but honestly I don't know how you're supposed to help them, whatever you say to them they have a reason to remain in their toxic little bubble. Their parents really should just cut-off their internet connection and take them to therapy tbh.

One good thing that has come out of this is the idea of redistributing sex. It's funny to see socialists trying to argue against the redistribution of the product of a woman's labor but on the other hand argue for the redistribution of another kind of labor.


 No.83736

>>83728

>One good thing that has come out of this is the idea of redistributing sex

it's a good thing? not sure if I am following this statement right


 No.83745

>>83656

It is quite the opposite of a product of the nanny state culture. In societies where the expectations for men to be "breadwinners" are less, such as the scandinavian countries, you have far less incels.

We have a very big focus on socialisation in Scandinavia, both in our public institutions and our private, generally resulting in less people being completely alienated from society.

Compare this to places like Japan or America, where in most layers of society men are expected to make money to have worth. Couple this with an economy in decline and you'll have a lot of lonely desperate men.


 No.83748

>>83692

>hurr ur suck and i hat you!

Normalfags lmao


 No.83750

>>83748

hurr..? hurr


 No.83752

If you got haters, you must be doing something right

- Adolf Hitler

It is similar with the hatred against MGTOW and MRA. Strawmen are set up as being misogynist and violent.


 No.83753

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

Not really, do SJWs have a valid perspective on society? Both parties are on equal levels of being socially inept, just targeting different areas to blame other than their own personal fears.

>Are they products of a nanny-state culture?

No, they're a product of high divorce rates and helicopter parents doing everything for their child. Gen Xers really screwed over a lot of millennials by simply being too present. This caused the young generation to feel constantly threatened with detachment issues.

>Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

What destroys societies in the past simply boils down to military conquest. Now one could argue that multiple methods of conquest exist but by history the example is the destruction of an existing society via the introduction of a more hostile one.

>Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim

No one hates incels, they just hate their attitude. Incels have a tendency to be predominant downers and pessimists. They may find their mindset pragmatic and realistic, but other folk simply cannot stand it and see it only as a whimpy know-all attitude. Problem is, incels/robots have to admit that people don't care about the one trait that defines them, their generally above average intellect. It's like telling a pianist they can't say any stories on pianos.

Incels also seem to think that they can go at the game solo, which is far from reality. Trust issues are prominent in incel people's due to their socially rejected upbringing mixed with a bizarre reward mechanism for being teased. It turns into a perverted form of masochism later in life as these kids who got bullied were coddled TOO hard by their families.


 No.83760

>>83736

It's a good thing as in its funny to me, the idea of equality through redistribution taken to its logical extreme and seeing the traditional proponents of equitable redistribution becoming horrified. Of course in practice it would be terrible.


 No.83778

Incels are a product of an overly feminised society in which boys don't learn how to be men. They are typically brought up by single mothers, grow up in public schools taught be females in coddles environments where normal masculine behaviour is not allowed. Welfare and an overly regulated labour market help in this too and encourage singlemotherhood and welfare dependence, and makes it harder for men to get a job and become well-adapted.

People say shit like "it's their fault, they just have a bad personality" etc, but it's very hard for someone who hasn't been socially developed properly from a young age suddenly become a normal human being. Thus incels - and this is typical in most humans and society or even other mammals who are sexually repressed, will act aggressively against the status quo. In a sense, they are better able to criticise the status quo than normalfags because they are not enslaved by pussy, so to speak. They don't have to conform their opinion, thoughts and behaviour to what women find acceptable because they're not getting pussy anyway. Of course not all of them are smart or will be able to diagnose the fundamental issues, ergo the sterotypical basement-dwelling Nazi.


 No.83788

>>83778

Incels are enslaved more to pussy than anyone else. They base their entire identity on their lack of it.


 No.83794

>>83778

This. Although I might contend that they aren't entirely without blame, you'd think that in the age of the internet they would diagnose their problem and try to improve their skills with women just like they can improve their skills in art or programming or something, but they don't want to do that because they see becoming a better version of themselves as selling out or something and they prefer to be "natural", ie. they want to remain as the lame unfunny people that they are, and cling to some infantile fantasy that girls should "love them for who they are" because that's what happens in all the shitty movies they were raised on.


 No.83799

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>>83794

Hear hear! well said anon


 No.83812

>>83788

how to tell if someone is an incel?


 No.83825

>>83656

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

They are right in a sense that society has degenerated. They are wrong into thinking they can't improve themselves. They are defeatists, trapped in their own minds and enslaved by their passions.

>Are they products of a nanny-state culture?

They are a product of a society that has been given too much freedom and not enough guidence. I blame "no fault divorce" on top of the sexual revolution for destroying the family unit. The family is the smallest unit of a nation. Once the family is destroyed, so will go the nation.

>Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Even autists can be productive members of society. Heck, my local grocery store has a literal autist serving people ice cream and my church has one that helps out with coffee hour. Again, it's all about the individual's mindset.

>Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

The same reason why people hate SJWs they complain too much without providing actual solutions to the society's supposed problems. It's not victim blaming because, like SJWs incels aren't victims the exception being they were involuntarily sterilized by accident or by malice when they were kids, but even eunuchs can be productive members of society


 No.83853

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Why do you think that the leftist boards ban incels? Why do they see incels as a threat? Why would the left support trannies and homos but not incels?


 No.83854

>>83853

Because trannies and homos on leftypol are on leftypol to avoid incels and sjws constantly talking about, shitting on and weaponizing their sexuality. We are anti idpol, and incels are the worst idpolers.


 No.83855

>>83812

They call themselves "incels". It's an identity more than anything else, one fostered in the current nazi chan culture. They tend to blame women or (((feminism))) for literally everything wrong in their lives.

The identity of incels being shaped entirely in opposition to that which they don't have is what causes incels to be almost as deadly/crazy as ISIS.


 No.83878

>>83855

same with commies

>baww my father is not afactory owner lets make it my identity


 No.83885

>>83853

>why

Because the state (run by Jews) has done a good job at dividing millenials and gen-Zers into two movements: the SJWs (antifa/leftypol) and the anti-SJWs (alt-right/pol), which are both leftist movements. It doesn't matter who wins, in the end society still becomes less free since both are economically leftist movements.


 No.83888

>>83878

That's just a terrible interpretation of our issues.


 No.83938

>>83753

>What destroys societies in the past simply boils down to military conquest

Eh, I'd say military conquest and disease. You could make the argument that the next society to move into an area that's been decimated by disease 'conquered' that land, but at most they simply finished off or absorbed survivors.

Sage for off-topic.


 No.83958

>>83885

is trump a jew?


 No.83974

>>83693

>communist only cares about sex and not the complex well of human emotion which separates us from the animals

Not surprised at all


 No.83976

Autism is what happens to people who reject modernity. They are ancient souls in young bodies.


 No.84211

>>83938

but europeans brought diseases and instead of killing amerindians they gave them diseases which killed them


 No.84214

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>>83976

Autists are intelligent idiots. They focus too much on specializing themselves for one or two skills that they love, like building rockets or something, but they can't solve simpler problems like finding a job or getting pussy. They are just one-trick ponies who justify their worthlessness as superiority over everyone else.

This is why indie vidya is so full of soyboys, soyboys are basically the same trash that you find on r9k, except these guys "made it", they picked a skill that's in high demand (programming) and started making a product which is in high demand (vidya), then they got seduced by low-quality feminist gold-diggers along the way which molded them into who they are. This is the only difference between r9k and pic related.


 No.84215

>>83661

>if only there were no STDs..

this is why sex bots will prevail, no baby trap and no stds


 No.84257

>>83853

Because feminism is a major source of power for them. Incels, MRAs and MGTOWs are all against feminism because of the tyranny it's responsible for. Without feminism, the authoritarian left would have virtually no power, and that's why there's such a massive hate campaign going on.


 No.84259

>>84257

>Without feminism, the authoritarian left would have virtually no power

…they had to destroy it to false-flag it.


 No.84349

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

Yes, pretty much.

>Are they products of a nanny-state culture?

Yes. Women wouldn't be on the pedestal they are on now if it wasn't because of it.

>Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Maybe; what do you mean by this? When did autism = incelhood? If you mean the literal mental illness, no. Autism in the definition of ironic memers and normalfags as in, "any weird behavior", probably if they insist on making suicidal, infuriated men outcasts out of no fault of there own besides "being weird".

>Why do so many people hate incels?

This doesn't even need an answer; just observe. Our society is based around popularity and "being cool". It always have. Incels aren't popular/cool, so they aren't going to be liked. Also modern society is practically ran by women, so deduce what happens because of that.

>Is this simply blaming the victim?

It's more like pretending that you are the victim instead of the one actually disenfranchised.


 No.84356

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>>84349

>probably if they insist on making suicidal, infuriated men outcasts out of no fault of there own besides "being weird".

Le beta uprising.


 No.84358

<<84356

>Le

Not even worth the (You).


 No.84388

>>83656

>Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society?

No. They're victims of our hypersexualized society, and also perpetrators. Entitled shits with an inferiority complex from not being loved despite their shitty and unlikable character. I used to be among their ranks, some years ago, albeit certainly not the worst one. I never hated women, but I was still bitter that none of these bitches saw what a great guy I was underneath my exterior. Bla bla. Took me some years to figure out that if a "bitch" doesn't see you as the great guy you are, chances are she's below your level and you should not let her rejection destroy your self-esteem. That, or you really have nothing to show for and probably had that rejection coming. That would be the majority of people who call themselves incels. The saddest is when you're just not compatible, especially when that incompatibility is one-sided.

But I digress. Of course, being rejected hurts. It's supposed to hurt. Few things are as sad as unrequitted love. When you call yourself an incel, though, you're not lamenting that Gottfreda from sixth class didn't love you back, you're lamenting that you don't get pussy. That is where the error of society comes in: Whoring around is seen as a worthwhile source of self-esteem. Not so much for women - although feminism is working on that - but for men, it's fairly undisputed that if you bang lots of sluts, you're alpha. Meanwhile, if you're a virgin, you're a loser.

That is the mindset that is poisoning society and creating incels, MGTOWs and /r/redpill. What's just as bad is that it creates "players" and PUA's. I know at least three women, at the top of my hat, who still haven't gotten over being used and then thrown away. That's needless pain, it was caused for no good reason. Not to mention that the self-esteem these people get is unearned, stays in the way of them forming healthy relationships, and it's a reward for short-sighted behavior. Really, there's all kinds of things wrong with hypersexualization. Tell one of these degenerate PUA's and he'll probably mumble something about Genghis Khan and his fifty consorts and walk away, trying to hack some innocent girls brain or neurolinguistically program her or whatever else you call their shit.

You can tell I hate these guys. That's what happens when you discover that there are quality-girls out there who actually value it when a guy hasn't been a manwhore all his life. Modesty used to be a virtue, after all.

Please subscribe to my blog. :^)

>>83661

>seriously, the only market I would miss in communism is a sex market

Do you guys ever fail to be degenerate?


 No.84412

>>84388

Dude, becoming alpha is just another skill that you learn, like learning to draw or something. There's nothing inherently wrong or evil about it and it's incredibly useful for every guy raised in today's emasculated, anti-male society, which is also exactly why feminists hate it - because it empowers men.

Of course, if you're a fucking degenerate you can use the knowledge given to you to corrupt women and steal their virginities, but if you're a normal guy with a properly functioning moral compass, you will have the power catch the attention of the girl you want to spend the rest of your life with. Improving yourself is pretty much the only way to do it, a few things come close, but there are no shortcuts or magic one-liners in PUA, and PC websites like Art of Manliness or whatever run by soyboys and their wives are purely cosmetic, they just don't give you any substantial, male-exclusive advice to get you closer to any of your dreams as a man.

And I'm definitely not saying you should become some hedonist or something, but just get rid of the emotional baggage and shallow stereotypes and look at this shit objectively. The best and worst thing about it is that these guys did all the whoring around so that you didn't have to, so that they can pass on the experience of having dated and fucked hundreds of women to you, without you having to get it yourself and corrupting hundreds of women in the process. You can say they quite literally did it for science. It's like Pavlov and his dogs, you don't need to like him for mutilating them and shit, but his research has nevertheless been very useful to others.


 No.84423

>>84412

There's no big book of lore and wisdom in pickup artistry. It's the natural consequence of persistence and thick skin. Roosh V et al.'s "secret" is that if you ask 200 random women to have sex with you than at least a handful are statistically bound to say "yes," even if it's because they're stupid.


 No.84429

>>84423

>There's no big book of lore and wisdom in pickup artistry.

Why should there be? It's not an ideology or a religion. "The Game" is really popular though.

>It's the natural consequence of persistence and thick skin.

It's a number's game for sure, and knowing that already puts you above half of all the other guys, however, there's still shit you can do to increase your odds and avoid unnecessary failures. It's foolish to think you can get a 100% success rate, but it's also really silly to think that only 1 out of 50 girls would possible pay attention to you if you play your cards right.


 No.84471

>>84412

>Dude, becoming alpha is just another skill that you learn, like learning to draw or something. There's nothing inherently wrong or evil about it and it's incredibly useful for every guy raised in today's emasculated, anti-male society, which is also exactly why feminists hate it - because it empowers men.

"Becoming alpha" sadly often means fucking around and treating women like shit. Not always, but often. I have no idea what you mean here.

>Of course, if you're a fucking degenerate you can use the knowledge given to you to corrupt women and steal their virginities, but if you're a normal guy with a properly functioning moral compass, you will have the power catch the attention of the girl you want to spend the rest of your life with.

>the power catch the attention of the girl you want to spend the rest of your life with

You make it sound like finding a wife required special skills. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's not something that you specifically train for. It requires ordinary, healthy social skills, a job, and a character that isn't total trash. That, some luck, and the right decisions at the right moments, and you're good to go.

>Improving yourself is pretty much the only way to do it, a few things come close, but there are no shortcuts or magic one-liners in PUA, and PC websites like Art of Manliness or whatever run by soyboys and their wives are purely cosmetic, they just don't give you any substantial, male-exclusive advice to get you closer to any of your dreams as a man.

True.

>And I'm definitely not saying you should become some hedonist or something, but just get rid of the emotional baggage and shallow stereotypes and look at this shit objectively.

I am looking at it objectively. I rationally weighed all the evidence and then concluded that everything to do with the hookup-culture is complete shit.

>The best and worst thing about it is that these guys did all the whoring around so that you didn't have to, so that they can pass on the experience of having dated and fucked hundreds of women to you, without you having to get it yourself and corrupting hundreds of women in the process. You can say they quite literally did it for science. It's like Pavlov and his dogs, you don't need to like him for mutilating them and shit, but his research has nevertheless been very useful to others.

Kek, utilitarianism? Are you for fucking real? And no, I learned preciously little from them whoring around. Very little. I started having success with women when I stopped reading this kind of trash, and stopped caring about whether I have a girlfriend or not. Not because I had already learned everything there is to learn, either, as I cannot imagine ever having applied any lesson I was taught by any PUA or self-proclaimed alpha.

No, finding a fiancée was as easy as not being an asshole and constantly striving to be a better person, for the sake of being a better person and not for the sake of getting laid. For that, the hellenic philosophers and the scholastics helped more than any self-help guide.


 No.84477

>>84471

So, what would you say is the best "medium" for meeting wifeable women, if any? Most of the usual social outings geared around it–bars, clubs, parties, online services like Tinder–seem to be focused around that same degenerate hookup culture; it doesn't make sense to go looking in these places when the vast majority of people there don't want the same thing you do.

t. out of first relationship and not sure how to proceed because I was approached by her.


 No.84483

>>84477

go to club of interests or something like this, i mean ornithology club or robotics student organization, not clubs like drinking beer and dancing


 No.84484

>>84477

I guess my advice would be to go out and do things that are fun, and when you meet a girl that you really like, and that might be attracted to you, pursue it. Don't rush things, but see where they lead. And don't panic if you get "friendzoned". I was friends with a girl for almost two years and now she's my fiancé. My guess is that most guys who end up in the friendzone have been pushovers in the friendship, or wouldn't have had more success if they hadn't been friends before.

You can get lucky on a hookup site but you'll probably waste a lot of time and nerves doing so. But you can try. I know one friend who met a great guy online, they couldn't be more into each other. Before him, though, she hooked up with a lot of idiots.

Beyond that, not much you can do. Life gives you an opportunity and you must seize it. That may demand a certain level of "alphaness" but to the same extent as doing any worthwhile thing takes trust in yourself, faith, and courage.

>>84483

This would be a great way to start.


 No.84490

>>84484

Good advice, thank you.

>>84483

Marksmanship club isn't exactly chock full of women but I'm joining a couple others in the coming year, I'll keep an eye out.


 No.84507

>>83656

25% of men never have sex

40% have sex once and then never again

It may be a product of natural selection, and not any man-made structure.


 No.84511

>>84471

>being an alpha means being an asshole

Wrong.

>You make it sound like finding a wife required special skills.

You don't need any super secret skills, you need at least the most basic skills which most guys in today don't even have.

>healthy social skills

>a character that isn't total trash

>luck

What should someone do if they don't have any of that? You're not offering any advice to these guys besides vague shit like "be yourself".

>hookup-culture

Read:

>I'm definitely not saying you should become some hedonist or something

>I started having success with women when I stopped reading this kind of trash, and stopped caring about whether I have a girlfriend or not.

You clearly didn't read anything because the first thing you learn when you start reading this shit is that chicks like you more when you stop caring about them and stop being a thirsty motherfucker.

>No, finding a fiancée was as easy as not being an asshole and constantly striving to be a better person, for the sake of being a better person and not for the sake of getting laid. For that, the hellenic philosophers and the scholastics helped more than any self-help guide.

That's also the golden rule of PUA. It's all about who you are, not how you act.


 No.84580

>>84511

>being an alpha means being an asshole

>Wrong.

I didn't say it means that, I said that too many people take it as meaning that.

>You don't need any super secret skills, you need at least the most basic skills which most guys in today don't even have.

That I agree on.

>What should someone do if they don't have any of that?

Acquire it. No one is so autistic he could not be charming in a certain way, and no one is doomed to have a completely shitty character. As for luck, you don't have it, no one has it. Luck is not inherent to you. When we say someone needs luck, it means he needs to find an opportunity to succeed. When he has luck, he has exploited this opportunity. Creating more opportunities for yourself and a spirit that exploits them is both perfectly possible.

>You're not offering any advice to these guys besides vague shit like "be yourself".

Well, how do you succeed on the job market? There is little specific advice to give on that, either. It's the same with finding a mate. Of course, there is some advice that is quite specific, but mostly negative advice which only tells you how not to fail. That kind of advice doesn't lead to success, however.

>be yourself

Be yourself, and don't be an asshole or a complete loser. The latter part is also important.

>You clearly didn't read anything because the first thing you learn when you start reading this shit is that chicks like you more when you stop caring about them and stop being a thirsty motherfucker.

That is only half correct at most.

>stop caring about them

You don't have to stop caring about women. You have to stop caring about having a woman in your life, and you have to stop caring about every single women you meet. If that's what you mean, then I agree. What I would not agree with is if you meant that you shouldn't give any woman attention. And yes, I've read that piece of advice, and it's utter trash. You may have success that way, but that's not guaranteed, and you easily end up as an asshole. Again, not sure you meant that. I'm more inclined to suppose you didn't.

>stop being a thirsty motherfucker

That much is true, but you probably won't be able to do this if you're still obsessing over dating advice.

>That's also the golden rule of PUA. It's all about who you are, not how you act.

My impression back when I read their advice was that they indeed care far more about how you act. Might have been a wrong impression, granted. I am open to that possibility, at least when we talk about specific PUA worskshops or communities.

However, if you call your self-help community PUA's, you're almost failing by default. You're advertising yourself not as a community that helps people make the best of themselves, but as one that helps them achieve some external goal. It's like advertising yourself as a "Money Making Master". With that name, I won't expect you to actually help people better themselves, I'll expect lots of advice on how to make money. Could I be wrong? Maybe when it comes to specific persons or communities, but not when it comes to most of what passes as self-help or dating advice. Most of it does not focus on bettering yourself.


 No.84593

>>84580

>Acquire it.

But how? Nobody wants to address this. Love might certainly feel magical, but it's not magic, there's a science underlying it and you need to be more specific with it. These arguments based on emotions won't cut it, it's similar to stubborn superstitious people refusing to accept medicine when they are sick because they think they should get healed only by themselves or by God's power or something.

>Well, how do you succeed on the job market? There is little specific advice to give on that, either. It's the same with finding a mate.

Getting a job is basically being able to sell yourself, there's lots of advice on that, and there's nothing wrong with learning it. People take courses or go to college just to learn sales and marketing, but for some reason when it comes to learning how to market yourself to women, people get very emotional and say there's either no proper tried and test way of doing it, or it's even more complicated than quantum physics, or that's it manipulative and that you just have to blindly go ahead not knowing what the fuck you're doing because "being natural" and "just doing it" and "just being yourself" and "JUST" is the only moral way of getting a waifu. Nobody would hire you if used this bad, vague, lazy and insulting advice when looking for a job, even the act of looking for a job would seem like something shameful to you.

>Be yourself, and don't be an asshole or a complete loser. The latter part is also important.

This doesn't lead to success either. We all observe how our fathers, friends and other male figures act and we emulate them, if they are alphas then you also become alpha and this is when "being yourself" works, if they're all betas then they pass on negative traits to you and you become a loser like them, and that's a problem that could easily be fixed. (And by alpha I mean a man with the type of character that is attractive to women, and which evokes respect from other men)

>You have to stop caring about having a woman in your life, and you have to stop caring about every single women you meet.

That's what I meant. You shouldn't give them the cold shoulder, you can't be a thirsty motherfucker with a scarcity mindset, you have to learn to be happy with yourself being alone first so that you can go for a girl without being needy, because women can smell this shit from a mile away, and they fucking hate it. This is basic shit, but most guys don't know this, they hover around a girl, they stalk her on the internet, after a year they finally get the balls to utter a confession to her and get rejected and start crying in a pillow. PUA deals with this shit, nothing else does.

>My impression back when I read their advice was that they indeed care far more about how you act. Might have been a wrong impression, granted. I am open to that possibility, at least when we talk about specific PUA worskshops or communities.

Well yeah, some of these workshops are outright scams, it's easy to tell apart them apart from the real ones though. Shit like that's to be expected in any self-improvement community. In health, fitness and bodybuilding they also scam you with fake advice and magic shortcuts and force you to pay for shit.

>Most of it does not focus on bettering yourself.

Essentially it really is bettering yourself, there's really no other way to do it. You can't be a total loser and get a good girlfriend or wife, you might get laid if that's what you want, it's not hard, there's lots of cheap sluts around who will fuck anything, but you need to become a high-quality guy to get a waifu-material girl, getting her isn't even the hard part, it's being able to keep her. And you're right, that's not how PUA advertises itself, the funny thing is, the girls become the bait and guys improving themselves is something they get but didn't exactly sign up for. It's like having a big brother who brags about being the "pussy master", and when you ask him how to get a chick, he tells you to learn how to play guitar, and whether or not you actually get chicks becomes irrelevant to you, because even if you don't, you get something else that's valuable too.


 No.84679

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>>84593

>Acquire it.

>But how? Nobody wants to address this.

I'd say it was addressed over two thousand years ago by Aristotle: You are what you repeatedly do. If you want to be chaste, start by deleting your porn, or at least saving less than you used to. Want to be more just, make it a habit to weigh the good and the bad in whatever person you see. Want to be wise, start by reading more. And so on. The old frameworks and allegories of the virtue ethics are immensely helpful to figure out what kind of person you should want to be. I like that of St Aquinas, for example. He knew the four cardinal virtues fortitude, justice, prudence and temperance. Justice is the ability to know what goal to pursue. Prudence is the ability to pick the right course of action to arrive at that goal. Fortitude, also sometimes called courage, is the ability to withstand intimidation, fear and uncertainty. Temperance, lastly, is like the counterpart of virtue, and allows you to withstand temptation.

How to arrive there? Like I said, repeatedly do what's virtuous. If you want something more concrete, there's pic related to start with. Can be applied whether you're Christian or not. Look for role models, be they rulers or just ordinary people that did the right thing at the right moment. The latter might actually be better, because even terrible rulers can have an excellent reputation.

Read several challenging books per year to become wiser. Think along as you read, reading is an activity. You're not getting the wisdom implanted in your brain. Strive to read a lot, but stay aware that there is a world outside of books, too. Chances are you won't read too much even when you try, so instead of restraining that, do more other activities, like traveling or talking to interesting people.

Be kind to other people, but don't be a sentimental idiot. Assume that every person you meet is an alright guy, unless proven otherwise. (That doesn't mean letting your bag lie out in the open.) When you are positive someone really is an asshole, still think twice about whether to treat him with disdain and contempt or even hatred. They may end up better, more pleasant people if you show them some kindness and understanding. See it as the reward for good work they've done which never was rewarded. Almost no one has done nothing at least slightly redeeming. Like I said, though, don't be sentimental. Don't let your understanding of bad people get in the way of treating the good people right, and don't shy away from rebuking someone who did bad or even fighting them. You do a gambling addict not favor if you pay all of his bills, nor do you do a bully a favor by not standing up to him. The impulse to punch criminals who gloat about their crimes? Perfectly healthy.

Stay somewhat active. Consider starting the day with some exercise, or incorporating some steady workout routine into your week. You don't have to become a bodybuilder, or even actually fit, although it's better to be fit than unfit. But being physically active also gives you more vigor in everything else you do. If you feel too sleepy to read or do your choirs even though you've done nothing, that might be precisely because you did do nothing. Also, make sure you get enough water and oxygen, and never eat so much that you are unable to function for a prolonged time.


 No.84706

>>84593

>But how? Nobody wants to address this.

There's like a hundred books out there on this shit.


 No.84818

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>>84593

how to find cheap slut around who will fuck anything?

t. kissless virgin incel


 No.84832

>>84679

Jesus, I thought we were having a somewhat serious conversation until you started pushing this christfag copy-pasta coupled with more vague, generic self-improvement advice that everybody already knows. There's no point in discussing anything anymore.

>>84706

Books that repeat the same points in the post above you?

>>84818

Besides prostitutes and social media escorts, the women you know that regularly go to clubs or crazy parties are confirmed sluts, there's no reason for them to go there unless they're asking for sex, hang around with these types of sluts and you'll ecentually get fucked regardless of how weird you are.


 No.84836

>>84818

>how to find cheap slut around who will fuck anything?

Don't.

>>84832

>Jesus, I thought we were having a somewhat serious conversation until you started pushing this christfag copy-pasta

Because Christians cannot have serious conversations? That's just an odd criticism, anon.

>coupled with more vague, generic self-improvement advice that everybody already knows.

Vague, generic, I bet you don't try to do half the things I listed. If you are, congratulations, you are on the right track, now stay on it and don't be distracted by looking for shortcuts.

Also, it's vague and generic because it's supposed to apply to a multitude of cases. I could've told you the right protein intake for building muscle or the right books to read if you're interested in learning about the history of warfare since the Thirty Years War, but that would be a waste of time if you're not interested in bodybuilding or history.

>There's no point in discussing anything anymore.

Well, then enjoy your day, I guess.

>Books that repeat the same points in the post above you?

You didn't take that as a suggestion that there are no more shortcuts to take?


 No.84838

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>>84836

>Because Christians cannot have serious conversations?

Others can, but apparently you can't. It's like you're having a normal conversation with someone, then out of nowhere he tells you that regardless of whether you're a Muslim or not, the answer to your problems can be found in the Quran or in Islamic theology. It's a really clever way of sneaking your religion into a conversation and preaching it while pretending to be objective, if you are open to using such underhanded tricks to market your faith, then you have no right to criticize people who learn how to market themselves to women and to people in general.

>Also, it's vague and generic because it's supposed to apply to a multitude of cases.

We're trying to look good to women here. If you're willing to go into the specifics of bodybuilding, then you should also be willing to go into the specifics of love and dating instead of talking about everything else and avoiding the elephant in the room.

>Vague, generic, I bet you don't try to do half the things I listed. If you are, congratulations, you are on the right track, now stay on it and don't be distracted by looking for shortcuts.

You also have this Puritan mentality that the harder you work towards something (yourself), the more you are entitled to it (the opposite sex). This is a socialist mentality, pure labour is important, but not unless it meets demand.

>muh shortcuts

Let me put it in the simplest way possible - women are trophies for high-quality guys. The higher quality the guy is, the higher quality the girl he is able to get. You are not helping people increase their quality nor are you teaching people how to market the qualities that you mentioned are good for them. You are just preaching Puritan mentality that by being a nice guy, you will automatically be rewarded with good things by the powers at be and things like women will fall to you from the sky.


 No.85046

>>84838

>Let me put it in the simplest way possible - women are trophies for high-quality guys. The higher quality the guy is, the higher quality the girl he is able to get.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of high-quality guys who are unable to get with high-quality girls for various reasons such as modern Western women being awful whores who will divorce rape you, and realizing that teenage girls are the highest quality girls but being unable to procure one because all the horrible thots made it illegal out of sheer jealousy of more desirable, younger waifus.


 No.85048

>>85046

> teenage girls are the highest quality girls but being unable to procure one because all the horrible thots made it illegal out of sheer jealousy of more desirable, younger waifus.

this


 No.85056

>>83656

>>83656

They're going to be an inevitable factor in the increase of Sex Doll market share. Buy stocks before it's too late, don't be like the people that missed out on Apple and Bitcoin.


 No.85063

>>83656

Honestly the biggest two reasons for school shootings/incels

can be tied to a lack of ability to retaliate within the system since codefied honour-based violence (the stuff that made Abe Lincoln realize he was a little shit and needed to calm the fuck down) is virtually banned via "zero tolerance" policies that overwhelmingly affects the victim, and the fact that most of these young men back in the day would have saved up money, seen a whore a few times, and most of their social anxiety around women would be fixed (or at least they'd have their confidence as a man back). Incels and similar ilk are a product of a statist society trying to ban things they don't like.


 No.85068

>>85063

Actually in the old days they would have been able to marry a 16-year-old virgin hottie and have a long and loving relationship with her, and they wouldn't be afraid to approach women because they wouldn't have needed to worry about the roastie brigade screeching about how everything is rape.

>Incels and similar ilk are a product of a statist society trying to ban things they don't like.

Just about everything wrong today is a product of this.


 No.85094

>A 6-year-old can march in a gay pride parade with his two daddies while men in latex pony suits fuck each other on a float next to them

>A 9-year-old can decide that his gender is wrong and receive hormone blockers before puberty begins

<A 15-year-old girl cannot consent to sex because she is being manipulated by male predators and doesn't know what she's doing


 No.85118

>>85094

>implying the first two aren't being manipulated or dragged along


 No.87862

>>85094

As the other guy said.




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