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 No.8820

http://morelibertynow.com/libertarians-somalia/

"If the petty tyrants Fidel Castro and Che Guevara can take Cuba from its imperialist oppressors with an initial force of just 82 fighters then a committed organization of a few hundred well-armed, -trained and -funded libertarians can set up a peaceful base in Africa – a base that will not only liberate us but also free a continent, bring prosperity and stability to the world’s poorest and serve as an example to the world for centuries to come of the healing power and necessity of liberty."

 No.8821

>>8820

Wow if I was Adam Kokesh this article would really rustle my jimmies.


 No.8823

That's a really awesome article, but to get people receptive to liberty they need to have good childhoods (take this for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oLl4oppAv4).

People accept tyranny because they were raised by tyrants, and they were abused physically, emotionally, sometimes sexually. As opposed to getting angry about this, young children often dissociate and blame themselves (getting angry about parental abuse would be extremely risky in evolutionary terms.)

So I think the most important thing we could do (beyond promoting peaceful parenting in the west) is to, if we arrive in some third world country, think of how we can encourage good parenting when we arrive. Some initial thoughts:

-Parents that agree to take parenting classes get a discount at their local libertarian grocery (assuming we set one up)

-Parents that will sign a contract and accept scans on the brains of their for sign of childhood abuse will get a discount on say health insurance or some other good/service

We would also want to set up resources for education. A public library. A funny thought I had is basically offering all the smart kids in a village in a third world country access to a PC, paying for their education in a programming course, and then hiring them as programmers for like $15 an hour. I think something like that would be awesome for everyone involved, but the biggest issue would be the language barrier. If we could have people let us educate their kids in English etc. that would be useful.

But the reason for helping these people in this way is that they'll

1. Like us more for helping them. Friends are nice.

2. Their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and all their posterity will be more receptive to liberty if we can eliminate child abuse in one generation. Parents that negotiate, which is implicitly libertarian, raise a child that is healthy psychologically and not disposed to accept tyranny since they were not required to accept it for their survival as children.


 No.8825


 No.8936

>>8820

Do you want to get bombed? 'Cause that's how you get bombed.

Seriously though, you'd need a killer PR campaign. Constantly broadcasting what you're doing, not giving any room for accusations of nastiness.

>>8823

>parenting

I was actually thinking of something like this. I was thinking that a combination of an orphanage and private school (possibly even a boarding school, but I'm not terribly fond of that idea). They could provide a top-quality education, grounded in non-aggression and self-ownership both to children from paying homes and to the children they have up for adoption. This increases the "market value" of the kids, making them more likely to be adopted, while also spreading peaceful habits among the community on the whole. And if you don't separate by age (and you probably shouldn't), you could also teach adults about peaceful interaction/parenting, as well as complete a lacking education.


 No.13708

But what about the NAP


 No.13740

>>13708

Fighting against the government is self defense, and self defense is a-okay with the NAP, bruh.


 No.13754

>>8823

I'd like to point out that some of the best Libertarians/Anarchists actually come from the most broken homes.

I wouldn't be a pacifistic anarchist today if I came from a functional family, anon. Shit, I'd probably be a democrat if that were the case. It's the dysfunctional and abusive living conditions I came from that made Voluntarism so appealing to me (after I broke away form NatSoc by accepting that killing people is bad mmkay?).

But yeah, proper parenting is the way to go, especially since something like 70-94% of children end up having their parent's political views by age 25.


 No.13755

>>13740

Fighting against the government is only self-defense if the government initiated force.

It's a very fine line between self-defense and revolutionary work, anon.


 No.13769

Won't work. Communism is absolutely no threat to the powers that be, anarcho-capitalism would be. If Rapture had been a real place a joint taskforce of Russian, European and American submarines would have dropped depth charges on it.


 No.13772

>Imagine Africa as the staunchest bastion of liberty for centuries to come.

My sides are in orbit. Because nothing says "productive libertarian strategy" more than throwing yourself into a meatgrinder full of clannish, hostile and fast-breeding natives. Seriously, nonsense like this is liable to get people killed.


 No.13773

>>13772

Somalia was actually one of the great examples of Anarchism for thousands of years.

The only thing that stopped the Xeer system was a violent socialist dictator. Regions that have reverted back to Xeer since then have seen a largely increased standard of living.


 No.13778

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>>13773

>stopped the Xeer system

>stopped

kek you people are literally insane


 No.13782

>>13769

>Communism is absolutely no threat to the powers that be

It absolutely is, but it's also a lot more popular than anarchocapitalism.


 No.13783

>>13778

Convincing argument, comrade.


 No.13786

>>13773

Good luck participating in tribal structures like Xeer unless you marry into one of the adherent clans.

And that tard is still trying to get people killed with his "Africa is the future of libertarianism" crap. Shoving a bunch of lily white libertarian Euros in a enviroment like Subsaharan Africa will only end in blood and tears.


 No.13804

>>13755

Government can only operate through initiating force so a revolution would just be retaliation.


 No.13805

>>13804

Does not mean you can just shoot everybody working for the government, which is what a lot of people have in mind when they hear "revolution".


 No.13806

>>13786

Xeer is fairly adaptable, as traditional legal systems go. Expose the society to more cultural mixing and give it a few years. You'll see new institutions pop up to deal with people outside the traditional diya-paying groups.


 No.13977

>>13786

Really wish i had that article about the people who stopped African poachers by creating a farm that employed people for steady wages higher than what they were paid for poaching. Lack of economic stability is a feedback loop and requires serious effort to counteract but yields great rewards for investors and workers. I don't think you'll have huge problems if you come strapped, prepare accordingly, and behave ethically.


 No.13993

>>13977

Guy that posted that thread. Wish I still had the link to that story, or even remembered what to google.




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