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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 673f554d175dafa⋯.png (52.66 KB, 240x165, 16:11, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.97637

https://mises.org/events/mises-university-2019

Do you want to talk with other ancaps and bully minarchists someplace other than online, without roving /leftypol/ shitposters to disrupt everything? Would you like to do it with people who dress neatly and can string a sentence together? Of course you do! So why not get a collection of /liberty/ posters together to go to Mises University this summer? I went last year and I can say with certainty I had an excellent time, not just with the lectures but the chance to talk with people about various subjects relating to Austrian economics, natural law, and liberty. If you're a uni student, undergrad or graduate, you're basically guaranteed a scholarship, so if you get yourself there you won't have to pay for anything. Anyone up for it?

 No.97638

Is it significantly better than the video lecture series?


 No.97682

>>97638

There are several lectures they make that aren't uploaded to the youtube channel, which are pretty nice. The real advantage is the opportunity to meet and socialize with ~200 other Austro-Libertarians.


 No.97699

>>97637

>Anyone up for it?

Will there be any cute girls?


 No.97717

>>97699

Female humans are incapable of rational thought.


 No.97735

>>97717

That's where you're wrong, boyim.


 No.97777

>>97699

They're present, but considering the degree to which the females are outnumbered you probably shouldn't bother.


 No.97792

>>97777 (nice quads bruh)

It's ok, I'm Chad, you can even be my wingman. All you ancap qts better be there to check our sexual market value.


 No.97833

>literally just a hedge funded convention for the 10 libertarians who are serious enough to go out and do shit

Reminder that Libertarianism / Minarchism / AnCap was literally always a house of cards propped up by PR campaigns and Hedge funding to make it seem more impactful then it was


 No.97855

>>97833

Stay in denial, retard, your shitty ideology died when the Soviet Union didn't get its oil and gas rents.

Libertarianism is to 21st century what communism was to the 19th century, the movement has grown rapidly since the ideology was first properly defined and it will eventually reach the critical mass required to change the status quo.


 No.97884

>>97833

>PR campaign

By whom? The textbooks of every civics and economics class which shill hard for the government in their opening chapters?

>hedge funding

Do you even know what that means?


 No.97908

>>97855

>Your ideology is died

<He says to a follower of an ideology that still holds sway and prevails in multiple countries around the world and has mass movements of millions of followers

<He says as his ideology has done literally nothing but strengthen the status quo and has never prevailed anywhere

Lmao

>>97884

>The textbooks of every civics and economics class which shill hard for the government in their opening chapters?

Yes they support NeoLiberal Goverments and their capitalist policy


 No.97922

>>97908

>an ideology that still holds sway and prevails in multiple countries around the world

And quite expectedly, the few countries where this cancer still prevails are poverty-stricken shitholes with the exact opposite of what communism promises to achieve.

>mass movements of millions of followers

The time for world revolutions is long over. Most communists are useless sheep that could only ask nicely for their governments to give them free shit, or mentally unhinged retards who beat people with bicycle locks.

>strengthen the status quo and has never prevailed anywhere

The status quo exists because governments realized that it's more efficient to rob people when they actually have something that could be robbed from them. Letting people keep their property doesn't benefit politicians, and take it all away would be the same as killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

>NeoLiberal Goverments and their capitalist policy

Capitalism isn't a policy, capitalism is the absence of economic policies.


 No.97929

>>97922

>capitalism

How about we start using the terms "free enterprise," "natural order," and similar? No need to attach ourselves to Marxist terminology.

Anyways, looks like I'll be the only anon signing up for this shit. Ah well.


 No.97958

>>97929

>How about we start using the terms "free enterprise," "natural order," and similar? No need to attach ourselves to Marxist terminology.

Yeah, notice how it's so convenient for these creatures to use ambiguous words which don't have a well-defined meaning. That way when their bullshit has been called out and they're backed up against the wall, they can always say: "Aha! That word you used doesn't mean what you think it means!", it's not a bug, it's a feature of communism.

>Anyways, looks like I'll be the only anon signing up for this shit. Ah well.

Don't come without at least 3 cute girls, we need to try fix the ratio.


 No.97966

>>97922

The Chinese and Vietnamese communist parties continue to lift hundreds of millions OUT of poverty so no.

Cuba has the highest quality of life in the Western Hemisphere and has reached parity with the US in terms of infant mortality / Life expectancy etc years ago

And the population of these states clearly support their parties

>a state having stated economic policies means it isn't capitalist

Imagine actually believing this

>>97929

>Capitalism

>Natural order

Imagine actually ignoring all history before the 1700s


 No.97968

>>97966

Imagine following an ideology with a shelf life of <100 years.


 No.98033

>>97966

>The Chinese and Vietnamese communist parties continue to lift hundreds of millions OUT of poverty so no.

After removing market barriers thus diverting away from their ideological doctrine.

>Cuba has the highest quality of life in the Western Hemisphere and has reached parity with the US in terms of infant mortality / Life expectancy etc years ago

Not independently verified.

>Imagine actually ignoring all history before the 1700s

There were free markets and voluntary private actors prior to the 18th Century.


 No.98042

>>97717

tru dat


 No.98043

>>98033

>Imagine actually ignoring all history before the 1700s

commie has a point. Altho what he puts instead is much worse and his head should be crushed for it. Real free market is the solution not imposing state enforced poverty.

Nobles made the concept of a chartered monopoly as well as central currency. It give the king's favorites a monopoly over certain fields and markets. It was made it illegal to create value on your own, outside of the corporation, so if you were a tradesman you had to work for the corporation. Around that same time is when clocks started to appear on towers, because now instead of people creating value for themselves they became employees and sold their labor. Because the way a corporation is structured (or the state structured it) its purpose becomes to produce returns in the short term to its investors, basically like giving back loans with interest. Its purpose becomes to convert value to shareholder cash. When u build a system on interest it requires growth, if you have to return more money than you own, it has to come from somewhere, either u take it from someone who goes bankrupt or you grow as a corporation. If you need to grow you need space and resource into which to expand. Historically speaking, that's what gave rise to all those mercantilist corporations of Europe. Because they have a growth mandate they go to the Americas or India or Africa and enslave and extract resources and value to fuel their growth. Corporations now technically function along the same rules.


 No.98048

>>98033

>After removing market barriers thus diverting away from their ideological doctrine.

Having limited recognition of Private enterprise during lower phase communism (Socialism) does not conflict with Marxism nor Leninism

>There were free markets and voluntary private actors prior to the 18th Century.

Yes some did exist (Venetian republic / Netherlands etc) but to ignore the entire feudal system and the systems preceding even that is nonsense and ideological dishonesty

>>98043

>"But if we got REAL free markets that match my ideologically definition everything would be rosy!"

I've already stated this (Many many times) in different threads but most of the "real" visions of capitalism proposed by /liberty/ have never existed in material reality and most of modern or in some cases (Anarchists-Capitalists) are simply impossible


 No.98055

>>98048

> "real" visions of capitalism proposed by /liberty/ have never existed in material reality

BS. There is a book on what i am talking about, called "Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus by Douglas Rushkoff" check it out. If too lazy to read the book search for his articles or lectures on YT with that same name. There was that time in in late medeval europe where peasants started to trade with each other through the market place creating a peer to peer economy. They got so wealthy that they started building all those cathedrals because they didn't have savings vehicles. Ass middle class grows, upper classes wither. Nobles made the concept of a chartered monopoly as well as central currency. thats the rest of the story >>98043

Free market =/= capitalism. An economy is made up out of three factors of production: land, labour and capital. What my case states is that through a monopoly on violence (and central currency) the state give priority to capital instead of making the three equal.

It's about equalizing the three factors of production(also decentralizing the currency). Otherwise, you get disenfranchised workforce and polluted environment. Like we have now where 40% of American adults cannot pay for a 400$ emergency or 46% of Canadians are 200$ away from not being able to pay their bills and Richest 1% own half the world's wealth.

also socialism is state enforced poverty and a basically come back to feudalism.


 No.98096

>>98055

>Your ideal is a state of commerce which existed for a very limited time before being replaced by a more efficient system

Sounds like your a reactionary upset at progress marching forward

>Socialism is a return to feudalism

How so?

Where does ownership of land / industry based on birth right exist in socialist states?

Where does "divine rule" / "Mandate of heaven" exist under socialist states?

Where does the entire feudal system of emperors / kings / dukes / counts exist under the feudal


 No.98146

>>98096

>Where does ownership of land / industry based on birth right exist in socialist states?

>Where does the entire feudal system of emperors / kings / dukes / counts

Dear Leader is a hereditary title. Nepotism is rife throughout the Party.

>Where does "divine rule" / "Mandate of heaven" exist under socialist states?

It is reworded to "Mandate of the Party" or "Mandate of the People".


 No.98172

>>98146

>Dear Leader is a hereditary title. Nepotism is rife throughout the Party.

The "Dear Leader" concept only really exists in DPR-Korea and no evidence really exists showing Socialist Goverments are more corrupt then capitalist states

>Goverments having mandates are the same as divine right to rule

Lmao


 No.98183

>>98172

>the "Dear Leader" concept only really exists in DPR-Korea

Cult of Personality exists everywhere and is especially embedded in titles such as el presidente, generalissimo, and chairman.

>no evidence really exists showing Socialist Goverments are more corrupt then capitalist states

This statement contradicts corruption indeces and is off-topic.

>Goverments having mandates are the same as divine right to rule

It is not the mandate per se but the fact that the state considers themselves as an eternal and necessary entity.


 No.98185

>>98096

>>98172

>All that gay shit you wrote

Lmao


 No.98192

>>98172

>where is the evidence please

Oh lol.


 No.98201

File: 21ee9ceac0b40b9⋯.jpg (37.43 KB, 600x400, 3:2, Mausoleum of Lenin.jpg)

>>98172

>The "Dear Leader" concept only really exists in DPR-Korea

Pic unrelated.


 No.98221

>>98183

>El presidente / genrilisimo

Those aren't socialist titles

>>98201

>Americans don't have pictures / statues for Washington in D.C

>The French don't have a statue of napoleon

>germans don't have a huge statue to bismark


 No.98226

File: 20eb5b4910fea45⋯.jpg (51.31 KB, 561x600, 187:200, 20-26-57-561px-Stalin_rass….jpg)

>>98221

At first I was like:

>communist countries don't have cults of personalities!

But then I was like:

>i-it's ok if we have them, other countries have them too!


 No.98264

>>98221

>Those aren't socialist titles

They are just not exclusively to socialism


 No.98287

>>98221

Don't move the goalposts you Marxist filth, you said you had no cult of personalty, now you're saying it's okay to have one because other people do. There's also a gulf of difference between a flag or statue, and interring the corpse of Dear Leader in a gas-purged glass box for the nation's viewing pleasure. Even the other cults of personality haven't gone that far.




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