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29220d No.1[Reply]

Welcome! Tired of the Nazi's from /pol/ and the Commies of /leftypol/?

/libertypol/ is a political discussion and news board from a libertarian perspective. From Big L, small l, Minarchist, Anarcho-Capitalist, Austrian, Chicago, everyone is welcome.

Current rules:

1. Follow the global rule.

2. Keep the discussions On Topic, posts that are spam, shitposts or meant to be off-topic to political discussion will be deleted.
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9f91fc No.315

>>>/liberty/



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f9315e No.2[Reply]

Thread for ideas on board management e.g banners, directions, advertisements, rules, ect.

I'm new to moderating boards so i would also like volunteers to help me get the place going and give tips on how to moderate.
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c02c1a No.248

>>69
Well, personally I'm on here because I want to learn more about Libertarianism. However, I can't learn more without the constant distracting interjections of "JEWS!" and "BLACKS!" that I'd get browsing /pol/.


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95c205 No.132[Reply]

So i have been thinking about participating in >>>/sen/ by making a party to represent Libertypol.

This is only a draft before i take the final version to /sen/ and make it an official thing, so feel free to add idea's and addition to the party.


Voluntary Liberty Party (VLP)

A Big Tent Right-Libertarian party with an adherence to Individual Freedom, Free Market and Voluntary Association.

Platform:

- Laissez Faire Capitalism
- Separation of State and all Social/Economic institutions
- Private Property (Gun Rights, Drugs Liberalization, Private Land Ownership)
- Non-Interventionism
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1efafb No.214

>>213
trying


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7bd3eb No.299[Reply]

Are all libertarians Austrian economists?

c215d7 No.300

There are Chicago and monetarists


7bd3eb No.301

>>300

We need to compile a reading material list for those 3 schools.

One for general libertarianism/appreciation of free thought.

Like post links to ebooks but then recommend certain chapters. Are you board owner?


cd2991 No.320

yes



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28391d No.319[Reply]

Protester catches state police on video discussing how they should charge and arrest him to "cover their asses" since they couldn't find an actual crime had occurred

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-michael-picard-dui-protest-arrest-20160128-story.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

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7cef39 No.317[Reply]

/pol/ has already discovered and is using this weapon of creative expression, otherwise known as "Meme Magic".

Proof compiled here: http://8ch.net/bmw/res/77.html

And here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW0otG1buB8

7cef39 No.318

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Read these

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_1_Anastasia.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_2_The_Ringing_Cedar_of_Russia.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_3_The_Space_Of_Love.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_4_Co-creation.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_5_Who_Are_We.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_6_The_Book_Of_Kin.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_7_The_Energy_Of_Life.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_8.1_The_New_Civilization.pdf

http://www.rivendellvillage.org/Book_8.2_Rites_Of_Love.pdf



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83286c No.311[Reply]

posting my opinion/redpill

capitalism is technically "money" "ism" basically capitalism is in a way a religious belief in- and false idol worship of capital and/or currency.

capitalism as a system as a whole is simply a slightly better disguised version of "wage slavery" that has been designed from the ground up to be a system that is easily manipulated by those few people at the top who hold more money than everyone else in the world combined.

>The cure to BAD regulation is GOOD regulation, not NO regulation; that just leads to cartels and you're right back where you are now. Regulatory capture fools so many young libertarians into thinking that regulation itself is inherently bad when what you need is regulation to keep the free market free and break up cartels.

Of course the solution is without a doubt NOT anarchy, however:

>The solution to everyone finding loopholes in everything and breaking the rules by getting around all the rules

>is to make more rules

capitalism as a system itself is flawed. currency, money is flawed.

83286c No.312

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>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan

>$7000 coffee makers

>$600 toilet seats

>$37 for A screw

>$435 for a hammer

>$285 screwdriver

>$387 flat washer

>$469 wrench

>$214 flashlight,

>$437 tape measure

>$2,228 monkey wrench,

>$748 pair of duckbill pliers

>$74,165 aluminum ladder

>$659 ashtray

>$1,118.26 for a spare plastic cap for a navigator’s stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents)

>Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month

>Mark Krenik (pentagon officer) created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same, but he was not required to name names.

>Sgt. Robbie Miller convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million. would not have been caught but was involved in affairs with female co-workers. Agents say they got Miller when he was hauling evidence out of the office to burn it.

>Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

>Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant

accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000

“budget dust” and say it’s not worth the time or effort trying to

recover.

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83286c No.313

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to be sure everyone understands:

>I am Jewish.

>I am Against Zionism.

>I am Against Capitalism.

>I am PRO Libertarian.


83286c No.314

bump for truth


60454c No.316

>>311

Capitalism is not a system anymore than agnosticism is a religion.

Rather, capitalism, in its purest form is the rejection any system that initiates the use of force. And it is the allowance of any system that abides by the non aggression principle.

Capitalism is the fertile soil upon which new systems can emerge and grow.



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dfdd64 No.310[Reply]

Breastfeeding is apparently illegal in Maryland

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/maryland-cops-arrest-man-and-threaten-his-girlfriend-over-non-existent-breast-feeding-violation/

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14abf7 No.309[Reply]

What is your vision for America?


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36bca8 No.86[Reply]

If there were a large, libertarian news network, would you watch, read, or contribute? Or is it just not worth the time to watch the news?
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6fc836 No.92

>>91
the promblem with that is that there is rarely an iron wall between the editorials and the news. people don't exist in a vacuum. including strong inside house political commentary runs a strong risk of influencing the rest of the outfit.

60572c No.93

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>>92
Certainly, but if they're actively separating the facts from their opinions, could it be worth it?

>Professor X, widely known for his work in advancing gender equality, said the following at Joe's Potato Barn on January 15th, 2026 at 10:05am.

>"Go into the code! Get their IPs!"

>These were his final words, spoken to a crowd containing many of his most devoted Tumblr followers, before he was murdered to death without warning.

>Professor X was cannibalized by a family of Latvian immigrants who claim to have, "mistook him for potato", (sic) for the reason that, "Was hallucinate due to malnourish." (sic)

>This was according to our reporter, Lindsay McDidsay, who was present to witness the event and had the chance to speak to the family before they were taken into custody by police.

>The Professor was pronounced dead by Dr. Imnotreallyadoctor on January 15th, 2026, at 10:17am.

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c1fcb2 No.179

My eastern european potato country has one actually.

24/7 business, entepreneurship, current events, and there's also a pure libertarian perspective 2-hour block in primetime.

f1c94e No.193

>>179
Yes comrade! Tell more of potato country propaganda sayers! Is they in kontaks with ameraken kapitalists? I promise, is not trick! No report you to politiburo.

fcf356 No.308

>>86

you mean twitter?



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f7a326 No.127[Reply]

What does /libertypol/ think of Geoism and its anarchist variant, Geoliberarianism?
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682cdf No.164

>>163
>Nothing, and that's fine. If it becomes an issue, a court can determine whether the claimant is bullshitting or not.
How could it even be possible to figure something like that out?
>Courts are there to settle disagreements in a civilized manner, but if no one is fighting over a piece of land, then it's not an issue.
That's true for any disputes over anything.
>Do you see what I'm getting at?
I get it, I just don't like it. Opening the gates for "he's not using his land enough" is something I'd rather not do.

c45d41 No.170

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>video unrelated

>>164
>How could it even be possible to figure something like that out?
That's the thing, it would be semi-subjective and dependent upon the area, as was the case in Europe back in the days when private courts were the rule, rather than the exception. You have common law, which is of course common, and then you have local culture and customs. By both parties consenting to arbitration and the terms of a court, involving a limited number of appeals to other courts, these disputes can be solved in a peaceful manner that best suits the society of a given area. This is, I think, a greatly superior approach to trying to force an inflexible blanket of legislation across many areas to which that particular law may not be suitable.

As for how they would make that determination in each case? Probably by hearing the reasoning of both sides, then actually going out to the land in question and seeing whether or not the claimant is bullshitting. I don't accept the idea that, for example, a piece of forest with trash all along it that the defendant hasn't been trying to actually preserve, evidenced by the fact that his "fence" is just chicken wire, constitutes a nature preserve. In reality there is a difference between a nature preserve and an unused lot, but I don't think it can be meaningfully defined by a checklist.

>That's true for any disputes over anything.
Bingo.

>I get it, I just don't like it.
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHEN EVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT? Because you can and that's fine.

682cdf No.175

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>>170
>society
I don't like that. If I can't find a justification from individual rights, I don't consider it as 100% free. Sure, individual rights are just as much of a spook as society, but they're my spook and I love them.

>I don't accept the idea that, for example, a piece of forest with trash all along it that the defendant hasn't been trying to actually preserve, evidenced by the fact that his "fence" is just chicken wire, constitutes a nature preserve.
You're interfering with my right to own a garbage dump :^)
A key issue I have with this is that it implies a positive obligation that needs to be met in order to have property.

Also, do we ignore the history behind the property? What if the property was once being used, but due to economic situations the owner stopped using the property? If the owner is awaiting better economic times or a sufficiently desirable offer to sell the property, should someone else be allowed to squat on the property and take it from him? The owner had put time and effort into the land, and may have significant value that an unclaimed property wouldn't have. The threat of squatting acts as a pressure to sell for lower than he otherwise would. That might be considered socially desirable, but it is a negative effect on the owner who has the right to the property.

I took the (extreme) view a while ago that if it's difficult to draw a line, then maybe no line should be drawn at all. So I end up "believing" in pretty strong and absolute property rights. But, probably like many other anarchists, I also believe that nobody has a duty to enact justice on behalf of others. Private courts with different standards is a probably inescapable part of anarcho-capitalism, and if two people agree to arbitration before a court which has a reputation for acknowledging squatter's rights, I won't be upset. But I don't approve of squatter's rights because it's a line I'm not willing to draw.

986a1c No.198

>>175
>I don't like that. If I can't find a justification from individual rights, I don't consider it as 100% free. Sure, individual rights are just as much of a spook as society, but they're my spook and I love them.
Society isn't the justification, it's just a perk. There's no 100% perfect system because there's no 100% perfect people. We have to do the best we can and this is it.

>You're interfering with my right to own a garbage dump :^)
As with a nature preserve, a piece of land with some trash on it a garbage dump does not make. Have you ever been to a garbage dump or a land fill?
>A key issue I have with this is that it implies a positive obligation that needs to be met in order to have property.
Correct, that is exactly what I'm implying. As I originally stated in >>136
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/adverse_possession
Adverse possession is already addressed by common law. Remember that the function of a court is to provide a means to reach the best and most peaceful resolution to a matter that would otherwise result in people bloodying each other up in a potentially escalating conflict. While it would be nice to live in a world where everybody accepted others claims to a piece of property, we don't.

Your others questions should be answered by the article I linked. I think you'll find that it's more than reasonable.

>But I don't approve of squatter's rights because it's a line I'm not willing to draw.
I dislike the term squatter… Not because the term is, "offensive", but because I think there's an appropriate difference between making use of what is clearly abandoned property and shacking up in somebody's building that they're trying to sell. State laws have really biased adverse possession in favor of the latter, a consequence of government courts ruling according to legislation instead of common sense. In some states, in order to remove a squatter that's broken into an unoccupied house or apartment unit and is occupying it, you have to give them warning a week in advance that they need to vaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

ce863c No.307

>>127

how about the government is legally like a public company, where every newborn gets allocated shares, wich always dynamically perfectly dilluted/convoluted based on opoulation size and that cant be bought/sold

this company owns the planet (or whatever) and people can buy land etc compund interest style from the company?



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7945b4 No.24[Reply]

The problem with libertarians is
that it's as incoherent as feminism insofar as what it means to everyone who calls themself a liberal (And most of them are either de-facto liberals, or anarchists/people who can't ever recognize a legitimate government function/action),
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fd2921 No.59

The reason its incoherent to them is because, just like feminism, Libertarianism is a group of concepts that share a common principle rather than a monolithic concept itself. However, the laymen is only familiar with "libertarianism" rather than paleo-conservatism, minarchism, anarcho-capitalism if you consider that Libertarianism. So most people just say "I'm a Libertarian", when they may have very different views from another person who describes themself as a Libertarian.

The incoherence stems from ignorance rather than a problem with the definition.

b38823 No.71

>>52

>Going to pick on semantics… When you say anarchist, it makes me think of the Syndicalist crowd. Having interacted with them, I understand why Rothbard stopped using the term in favor of ancap. Not that I really have any problem with those folks, just we're definitely moving toward two very different goals.

Left-anarchism is much bigger than anarcho-syndicalism, which is mostly dead today anyway.

I don't really like the term anarcho-capitalism, as it roots a political outlook in a specific way of life. Capitalism is only a few centuries old, and younger than the medieval societies that folks like Murray Rothbard and David Friedman used as examples of some of their ideas in action.

I have zero problem with the term anarchist. I'm a propertarian, but only where it makes sense. It does not make sense with hunter-gatherers or nomadic tribes. It makes much sense, in varying contexts and degrees, within agricultural and industrial societies.

8c1cfe No.72

>>71
I probably wouldn't be opposed to its usage if I didn't find the use of the term to be an instant conversation stopper in most contexts. Even amongst younger generations that wouldn't be opposed to it in terms of concept, it brings up images of listless skaters spray painting the letter A everywhere. Pop culture has really destroyed the meaning of the word for the time being.

Propertarian sounds useful though. It's descriptive and hasn't been defiled yet.

I would disagree with your stance on capitalism. The way I see it, capitalism has always existed. It's the default option; we know it instinctively from our youth. You don't ever have to teach a child what "mine" is, they always pick that word up on their own.

Now getting them to respect somebody else's "mine", that's another story. I wouldn't say it's that they don't know when something doesn't belong to them, it's just that humans aren't morally pure. Not even children.

As for hunter-gatherers, isn't that basically what about half the population of Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina are? That's proof positive that you can be a hunter-gatherer and still be a capitalist! Ha ha ha.

3fbf95 No.305

>>24

>that it's as incoherent insofar as what it means to everyone who calls themself a libertarian

you mean people have different oppinions?

>>26

>There should be some additional definitions on what's what

libertarianism is a dimension. on the left you have totalitarian/dictatorship, on the other side full blown anarchy.

how socially responsible you want to be is another dimension.

so then you have a grid and certain regions have names. see wikipedia. some are unnamed, you can give them a name. if thats too hard for you, maybe you prefer a government that tells you what to think, what to do.

>never come up with a functional design of the government

current government with more technological deregulation i.e. enabling people/entrepeneurs to do their thing instead of holding them back with stupid buerocracy (theres good regulation too) is functioning. and respecting individuals freedom generally, including sexual development, data security and many others doesnt require a complete reformation either.

it doesnt take more to be a libertarian.

beyond that, generally the consensus is that society as a whole isnt ready to handle something like this. too much stupidety and niggering. so people are incremental about the implementation.

what does a libertarian utopy look like? well libertarians are just realistic anarchists. so the ultimate utopia is a world where there are zero rules and everybody is perfectly reasonable and only acts 100%, empircally not just percieved, in humanities best interest. anything between that and today is libertarian.


3fbf95 No.306

>>31

the 1900's are very different to todays society and technology environment

>At some point libertarianism devolves into the same place socialism is, where followers just invent slightly-different flavors and insist that since each variation hasn't been tried and proven bad, the ideology must be right after all.

youre confusing libertariansism with anarchy

libertarians are very aware of this problem and seek realistic solutions



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dcf5bf No.83[Reply]

>Libertarians like to spout a bunch of pro capitalist crap at the expense of those less well off in the drive towards a free market, which has never and will never exist in a structured society w a large populous.
>American libertarianism is a joke and a lie manufactured and funded by the koch brothers

What do you think of that? I'm messaging an old friend who apparently went full commie/SJW. Have you lost any friends/family to the other side? Cross posting from /pol/ since I had no idea this board existed.
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b409dc No.104

>>96
It's Big Daddy from Kick-Ass.

722752 No.114

>>104
The Big Daddy post isn't OP. There's another post above it.

787aaa No.177

>>83
>libertarianism is an evil plot financed by the Kock brothers and Wall St.

It sounds plausible until you wonder why, if this is true, the evil capitalists don't use their money to ensure that Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party etc. win more elections and that actual libertarian policies are more popular. Instead, these same entities fund the statist Republicans and Democrats, who continue pushing for statist policies.

1ad4e3 No.257

>>177
Someone once told me to never vote for who the establishment wants you to vote for.

You guys remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtDJ6Ay4QMw

3b51af No.304

>>83

libertarianism and social security systems arent mutually exclusive

they can even be governmental. that might not be the utopia some libertarians dream of, but it can viably exist nontheless.

free market doesnt mean we leave everyone behind. I dont even know one public libertarian thats against helping promising people

people are always thinking in extremes, black or white.

marxists however are always stupid. its obviously incorrect in the assumption that everyone deserves help, that everyone is equal. theres more obvious issues with it. this one is just one that means anz person mot realizing something that obvious isnt going anythwere as far relevant thoughts.

>but muh social justice

justice isnt even a thing

marxists gonna marx..



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69e822 No.303[Reply]

Quick question: How many Federal government agencies exist? Don't know? Don't worry; the government doesn't know, either

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/feds-lose-count-of-agencies-range-offered-is-60-430/article/2570875

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6df833 No.29[Reply]

Torture Report released by the The Senate intelligence committee more horrifying and cruel than i could've imagined.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html

Over 54 other countries where in on this aswell:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/05/cia-rendition-countries-covert-support



Some of the torture methods include:

- Dungeon-like salt pits
- Standing on broken legs
- Forced rectal feeding
- Threatening their families including harming children and sexually abusing their mothers
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d7f757 No.43

storming of the bastille when?

6ec586 No.48

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>mfw

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ce8e52 No.302

So i guess we can all agree that torture is abhorrent and wrong. But I'm just curious, how effective is torture anyway. I imagine it would be unreliable since the poor guy would just simply say anything to make it stop. Are there any facts or statistics showing this?



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