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Liberate tuteme ex Excelsior!

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 No.6137

Have you ever worked with the idea of tweaking your language, /lit/? Things like the devising of custom grammar symbols (a simple example would be in differentiating the Oxford comma from the semi-colon, or for something already extant; the interrocomma), or the introduction of new grammar forms like that of the second degree third person - for the sake of bringing your linguistics closer to the flow of your natural thought process, for instance, or perhaps just as a more general thought exercise.

Sorry for going off-topic with this, but with /lit/ being the closest board there is to /ling/, I think here would be the best place to ask about this. Frankly, I think I'm kinda underselling this concept (common English has felt like a sizable thorn to me for a long time now), but we'll see how this works out yet.

 No.6140

>>6137

Furthermore, what do you think of the notion of utilizing alternate forms of language altogether as an aid to your expression? The use of French in War and Peace may be an example of this if it's not just the device in allegory it's sometimes described as, but also; what of, say, using a programming language as a means of ideological expression - abandoning any form of common tongue altogether for something that in its detachment from the common tongue may not hold any of that tongue's expressive limitations at all?


 No.6141

Oh God I'm sorry for how crude this is


 No.6142

>>6141

It is an interesting topic. Relax, and blather away.


 No.6143

I once imagined a language where every letter was composed of up to 3 lines, all of which must be straight. There would be minimal punctuation in the form of variable arranged dots.


 No.6145

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>>6137

First, let's clear some stuff up

>grammar symbols

Punctuation marks

>differentiating Oxford comma from the semi-colon

Those have nothing to do with each other.

>interrocomma and other punctuation marks

Why not. They seem interesting and able to add meaning, the lack of which has annoyed me.

Finally, if you're going to start a topic such as this, it would be appreciated and appreciable if you define things such as interrocomma (http://xefer.com/2008/03/) and second degree third person.

The latter of which I have no idea what you're talking about. Are we talking about grammatical person or narrative person? Does the concept exist elsewhere under a different name or is a recent conception?

As for me, I am logophilous person who has no contention with using archaic or coinages if the need or whim arrises. As I've said about the punctuation marks, there uses would be great as there is a use for them, though that use may not garner wider currency within the populace.

>using French in War and Peace

I'm not a big fan of using other/multiple languages within a text of literature, unless a) they are phrases that have existed in the language already, b) loanwords, and c) they are Latin. One of the two detractions that I had whilst reading Lolita was the dropping of French. I'm fine looking up words in a dictionary if they are in my own language, but I don't care to go online or download a program/app for a language that, honestly, I may not be interested in. Finally on this note, I'm fine with people making loanwords from other languages. It's useful.

One being Fremdscham

>shame felt for actions done by someone else; vicarious embarrassment

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fremdscham

>abandoning any form of common tongue altogether for something that in its detachment from the common tongue may not hold any of that tongue's expressive limitations at all

a) a programming language vel sim would likely be useless because communication would be limited because of arcaneness.

b) You're imagining limitations where they could easily be rectified by coining a new word. Although there are limitations, expression in another "language", such as programming, would also be limited in other areas. Given equal space, would information be transmitted from page to brain equally when using human languages vs. computer languages? Or would it be laborious to go through one or the other

c) Can abstractions such as democracy, soul, pride, etc? Be efficiently/accurately translat(able/ed) in said language?

One last thing that I must say is that your second post is a tad grating in how it is constructed, particularly sentence two.


 No.6146

>>6145

Also, fuck captcha.


 No.6149

>>6145

UNTERMENSCH


 No.6150

>>6149

How so? Because I refuse to learn Frog? Because I have a negative opinion of Nabokov whom you suck off? Why would I want to learn French or Russian when I could learn Latin, Greek, or German?


 No.6151

>>6150

Whoops, *Nabokov, whom


 No.6525

Bumping because I'm hoping to continue this discussion.

>>6145

Man, I just realized how many errors are in my first post.

>stuff up

*up:

>Punctuation marks

*marks.

>if you define

*defined

>is a recent conception?

*it a…

>with using archaic or…

*archaic words

>there uses

*their uses Christ, I can't believe I did that.

>unless a) they are phrases… b) loanwords, and c) they are Latin

*unless they are a) phrases.. b) loanwords, and/or c) Latin

>programming language vel sim

*language, vel sim.,

>one or the other

*one versus the other

>abstractions such as… etc? Be

*abstractions, such as…, be


 No.6530

I'll admit to having become annoyed with the multiple distinct functions of the comma, and to wanting new symbols to exist.

(Although that'd fuck things up re: cryptic crosswords, I'm sure…)


 No.6767

>>6145

So you were baffled by mere words from other languages. Then what about meanings you miss and multi-language wordplay?


 No.6774

I have thought about this a few times. I've used generic linguistic words but I might just make some conlangs if I get autistic enough




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