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Liberate tuteme ex Excelsior!

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 No.6956

What do you think, /lit/ ?

>"No two languages are ever sufficiently similar to be considered as representing the same social reality. The worlds in which different societies live are distinct worlds, not merely the same world with different labels attached."

Edward Sapir, 1929.

>pic unrelated

 No.6957

I think I can't really weigh in because I only know one language

>tfw you will never be a polyglot


 No.6960

>>6957

even though you didn't contribute anything, I appreciate you answering.


 No.6961

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>weeeeeeeerds


 No.6963

i completely agree.

i will never forget when i was a kid watching amistad seeing the scene where africans fail to grasp conditional tenses.

i know that scene wasn't meant for that but when i saw it i thought "no wonder they are ignorant savages!".


 No.6975

>Sapir

top kek


 No.6997

>>6956

I disagree completely. Reality is reality, no matter how you describe it.


 No.7005

>>6997

so you don't think that languages are affected by the thought process of those who speak it and those who speak it are affected by the language they are born in?


 No.7023

>"No two perceptions are ever sufficiently similar to be considered representing the same reality. The worlds in which different people live are distinct worlds, not merely the same world with different labels attached."

REALITY TUNNELS OH BOY

(it's all the same AND it's all entirely different. The world's a paradoxical adiaphoron.)


 No.7036

>>6997

>Reality is reality, no matter how you describe it.

How fucking retarded are you.


 No.7037

Thought about this for a while. I also avoided looking up anything on Sapir and his thesis. I am aware he was a hardcore and distinguished linguist though.

I'm getting the sense this is all rather slippery, and there is something paradoxical lurking behind it. I also sense there is a great deal of compression here, a whole books worth. Plus, some of the wording may be leaning heavily on linguistic technical jargon. What is meant by worlds, societies, social reality, or even language? My reason for pointing this out is not to quibble, nor to weasel out of a wrong answer, rather I suspect I'm missing something fundamental. So be it.

My answer is it sounds like a good rule of thumb, yet is not absolutely true. My thinking was, as a counterexample, the many and varied languages found across Europe – most these being dead today. From about the fall of the Roman empire to a ways after the Hundred Years War one could travel some twenty miles, or over to the next village yonder, and not be able to speak the local language. Sometimes that was due to a mere variation in dialect, sometimes it was a really different language.

Thus, one reason why Latin was so important at the time.

If could engage in such travel (assuming you could speak to them all in their own manner), and ask the locals about life, you would get the same answers.

It's slippery though. One might say those two villages are of the same world. How far would you have to travel to claim they are not?

Anyway, wrong answers might better provoke a discussion. So there it is. Someone might want to summarize Sapir's ideas here, or provide a good link supporting all this.


 No.7045

>>7037

i think it's not a very good example because european cultures have much in common, to begin with, but from your post it seems that you are well aware of this.

but if we take the other extreme examples, african cultures with no written language, you'd really feel the displacement.

to give you an example, keith richburg's out of america is a very good book imo about a western man confronting subsaharan africa.


 No.7053

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>>6956

It's further complicated by changing definitions over time, and even further complicated by different career specializations, philosophies and ideologies.

>tfw when nobody understood Marx because he was using archaic Hegelian terminology instead of plain German


 No.7056

>>7053

most people really understood the communist manifesto either, which is a very plain written short read.




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