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Liberate tuteme ex Excelsior!
The end is nigh! Check out the sticky.

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 No.7681

It's incredibly difficult to get through this book. I might just have a short attention spand though. Has anyone else felt like you have to force your way through this thing?

 No.7682

nope.

why would i?

admittedly, the manifesto is a quite interesting read and has some pretty interesting concepts, but why would you be interested in a manual for a failed economic system?


 No.7683

>>7682

"Real communism has never been tried"


 No.7696

>>7683

the only communism that exists in reality is the one that has been done. which involves nothing but slaughter and enslavement of entire nations


 No.7698

>>7683

and like pure libertarianism is totally not oblivious or human nature, right?

btw if the manifesto, and mensheviks were right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Marxism#Menshevism

globalization and deregulations are the most communist things in existence.


 No.7703

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>>7683

I like that meme


 No.7819

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>>7683

I'm not a commie, but I'd certainly agree that small-scale kibbutz communities and monastic orders are working out just fine. Although it is debatable whether that is 'real communism' as 'real communism' requires a world wide abolition of property.


 No.7854

>>7698

>Orthodox Marxism

Is there a Catholic one too?


 No.7857


 No.7858

>>7819

>small-scale

i think you found the key…

but keep in mind that monasteries especially in the middle ages became centres of the economic, administrative lives of communities and over time became economic powerhouses.

can we agree on the fact that communists and lolbertarians can't into human nature?


 No.7867

>>7696

*socialism

ftfy fam :^)


 No.7876

>>7858

>Muh human nature

Shitty argument, when no further explanstiin is given. Also, fuck pragmatists, you guys are pure cancer.


 No.7878

>>7876

personally i think it's selfexplainatory.

people tend to try to exploit a system without rules.

and people tend not to give a fuck when equality is enforced, when extra effort is not matched with extra gain.

what's difficult about this?


 No.7889

>>7878

>people tend to try to exploit a system without rules.

Libertarianism has rules.


 No.7926

>>7889

let me rephrase.

monopolies and trusts are far more likely to come into existence, with all that they can entail.


 No.7927

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>7889

btw what do you think about this vid?


 No.7928

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>>7858

>human nature

nice meme


 No.7937

>>7926

You didn't rephrase it, you said something completely different.

Most monopolies - in fact, all monopolies that I can think of - have been created through government intervention. Standard Oil never had a monopoly, before someone brings that up.


 No.7952

>>7937

not really.

who is to take advantage of unregulated environments if not the biggest fishes in the sea?


 No.7971

>>7681

it's useful to bring along david harvey's companion volume.

and most of these fucks demonstrate their ignorance.

capital is about capitalism - how it works.

to name just one example - the 'velocity' of currency - i.e. how quickly a dollar trades hands - was a concept coined by mr marx. and it's a stat that most of the central banks track quite closely.

he gives you the workings of capitalism in a way that has no 'cherry' or 'faith' in capitalism - and while he rails against child labor and works in some great allusions to literature - he also really truly makes clear the nature of the economic system - and that all economic systems require exploitation.


 No.7988

>>7971

> and that all economic systems require exploitation.

Is that what we commonly call 'profit'?




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