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 No.260[Reply]

ITT: we post our book hauls

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>>287

We're waiting lad.


 No.471

>>470

I know, I'm sorry, I'll do it tomorrow

Here's a teaser: I have a first edition Pale Fire


 No.523

>>470

Shit, got caught up in work and relationship bullshit, I promise I will post by Sunday


 No.820

>>523

dammit, I'll post on Tuesday




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 No.384[Reply]

I have literally no idea how this website works. :) That being said, I've been invited here. So, uh, anyone wanna talk philosophical idealism?

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 No.513

The scientific method has limitations. I mean, it gives us practical causal solutions, but it can't tell us anything fundamental since science is ultimately relational. A scientific search for a fundamental is ouroboros.


 No.520

>>506

the introduction to Against Method has a set of 20 theses that explain his central arguments

here's a link where someone could theoretically download the full Against Method as a pdf

http://library1.org/_ads/4425C8824464768AD67F8B81AED7FE3C

learn how to use gen.lib.rus.ec, it's in the sticky and SWIM tells me it's a great resource


 No.711

>>520

tanks bruv


 No.713

>>711

np bb


 No.809

>>468

>Mereological nihilism

wut




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 No.232[Reply]

>a-anon [dry coughs], we're all very old now, and our time will come to an end soon. It's up to people like you to carry on the continental torch. You've studied at least 150 pages and taken notes today, right?

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 No.682

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>>604

I mean I'm legitimately curious… why do you say this?


 No.684

>>599

I don't have to splain shit.


 No.686

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>>498

Tom Wolfe was a faggy southern dandy with no talent




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 No.459[Reply]

Bizarre subculture literature fascinates me

Post what you've got

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>>567

just because most people can't handle the destruction of their reptile-brain identities doesn't mean I can't enjoy the decentralization of culture and social relationships

I'm having fun


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 No.714

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>>710

say that to my face see what happens


 No.763

>>710

also

>enjoying the decentralization of culture means I'm an edgy anarchist britbong

ok kiddo


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>>710

"I hate the internet!" says the 8chan poster




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 No.224[Reply]

What does /litpat/ think about socialist realism?

Usually I'm skeptical of literature that is explicitly but I make an exception for sr.

Kanikosen by Takiji Kobayashi is great. The Urban Jungle by Upton Sinclair is good as well. I hear Jews Without Money is good as well. Any recs?

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 No.397

Anyone here read The Octopus by Frank Norris? It's on Bloom-sensei's Western Canon and it seems like socialist realism to me


 No.487

>>397

Interesting book. It looks like something I would enjoy.

If anyone wants realist works with a humorous edge, you should check out Sinclair Lewis's body of work. Babbitt in particular is funny as hell.


 No.790

Sinclair Lewis


 No.791

>>790

any particular novels/stories?


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 No.228[Reply]

CELESTIAL

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 No.603

>>559

oh sorry, misread what you said, yeah milo is a huge faggot

but I also think Sargon is a fat faggottoo, sorry man, agree to disagree

and I do agree on the alt right thing, i think i'm just going to call it far right from now on


 No.605

>>602

Far right is good because "far" is more or less synonymous with "radical." Whereas alt makes it sound cool.


 No.691

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>>605

agreed, the funny thing is… the first time I heard alt right I immediately thought alt lit

which made me think of Noah Cicero, and then Tao Lin


 No.766

>>228

wtf is CELESTIAL trying to get at in this case

is this some reddit meme


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 No.88[Reply]

Any authors that you find so terrible that it annoys you?

Bonus points if they're not only popular but also memes within academic literary discourse.

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 No.464

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>>339

I'm just surprised you actually decided to pick up one of his books and read it.


 No.681

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Ernest Hemingway and James Salter for opposite reasons. Hemingway couldn't write dialogue to save his life, and his iceberg theory was just an excuse to be lazy. Meanwhile Salter somehow found a way to make sex and infatuation boring as fuck. I know Salter had an editor, but it's hard to believe that with all the word salad. At least Jack London had the excuse of getting paid by the amount of words for his short stories.


 No.689

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>>681

the good thing is that James Salter is a literal who


 No.767

Wordsworth is overrated


 No.773

>>463

See pictured.

>>464

My sentiment exactly.

>>681

Hemingway is alright. Good normie lit.

>>767

Coleridge all the way nigger.




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 No.452[Reply]

Q&A with DON JOLLY ON JUNE THE 6th (TODAY)

5 P.M. EST to 11:59 P.M

BE THERE

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 No.669

>>667

>Joanna Newsom

my nigga


 No.670

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>>667

Well Don, thanks for coming and answering our questions! We're a new board and I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we're all grateful to have you come and answer all the random bullshit we've shot at you.

I know it's past midnight EST, and this post seems like a good time to wrap things up.

You're obviously always welcome on /litpat/. Please visit us when you're not busy, even if just to lurk :)

-yeeto


 No.671

>>654

I stumbled across Rick Roderick years back when digging through Youtube, totally wild to see his videos again and find out he's the father of Max. Wild.

Is Dagger your pride and joy or do you have some other endeavor (writing or otherwise)?


 No.672

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>>670

thanks for having me man!

I think I missed the guy who wrote the rape fantasy so just to close:

rape fantasies are an essential genre of literature and support several overlapping literatures in japan

>>671

I am two years overdue writing an essay about trolling for the paris review. I would really like to do that the right way. but no dagger is my main thing at the moment

Thanks for asking so many legit questions. will be reading. sorry if i missed you not on purpose

- don


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>>672

Thanks man. Sleep well.




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 No.156[Reply]

Which are your favorite publishers for classic books? My preference is generally Penguin Classics and if not Penguin, then Vintage Classics. I haven't tried many others though.

I read from paper books because my comprehension and focus is better with paper.

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 No.539

>>519

sorry dude :(


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>>539

no problem, I sperged out anyway so I apologize as well


 No.557

>>542

Sure did.


 No.574

>>519

You suggested a publisher that publishes anything besides classics books, which is what I asked for. If you don't want to be criticized, try actually reading the post. Also, I've never even used /pol/ (is cancer)… just because my views aren't your own doesn't mean they are that of a white nationalist pol user.


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>>574

you're right, I fucked up




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 No.25[Reply]

Is the hypothetical consent social-contractualism à la Hobbes the only form of legitimacy in non-popular governments? Obviously within popular governmental structures such as Democracy there is an active legitimizing force in the form of direct consent via popular participation, however such forces obviously do not exist in governmental structures which do not allow voting/do not claim their legitmacy from the masses. Previously the divine right of kings or the mandate of heaven was viewed as a legitimizing force, however that argument has certainly fallen out of favor, so i'm struggling to think of an argument for legitimacy beyond Hobbes' hypothetical consent. Legitimacy is obviously a popular phenomenon—the state doesn't need to convince itself of its own legitimacy—however i don't think it necessarily implies popular participation in government. The negative argument of Hobbes seems to be contingent on both the persuasiveness of the negative state (how accurate is the 'state of nature') and how much worse it is than the advocated state (is the 'state of nature' so much worse than the existence of the sovereign to justify any actions of the sovereign). Even if both of these predicates are strong, it still seems like quite a weak justification compared to popular participation. Thoughts? is it possible for a non-popular government to have legitimacy in the modern day?

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 No.267

>>236

>One could make an argument for technical authority bestowing legitimacy: that is, the state's authority proceeds from its concentration of knowledge of the workings of humans. This state knows better than any individual the appropriate actions for any potential collective polity because it uses the best advice from the best experts in their fields, and those who have power within it are those who know how to choose the best among these experts.

I was thinking that the next evolution of liberalism could be a restricted meritocracy/technocracy, but it would need a moral justification rather than a simple technical justification. Liberal democracy has a moral foundation to its construction—the promotion liberty and equality in a society, and the universal value of man through the destruction of explicit hierarchies. With an ideology which values individualism so highly, It is difficult to make a utilitarian (or maybe consequentialist) argument for political legitimacy. Of course, in a society which doesn't value individuality so much, i do think that technical expertise could serve as legitimacy.

(also, have you read 'The Technological Society' by Ellul?)


 No.268

>>236

That wasn't what I was implying at all, actually. I was only writing about how a non-popular state's legitimacy might be given by technical authority, and how the populace would view this authority as legitimate. That isn't to say that the expertise isn't biased or the state actors choosing them aren't driven by self-interest, however.


 No.269

>>267

>I was thinking that the next evolution of liberalism could be a restricted meritocracy/technocracy, but it would need a moral justification rather than a simple technical justification.

I think there's already a moral association between intelligence and goodness (one can see this among many left-liberals in the US). The association offers a moral justification of sorts for technical authority, a government by the "smart" as judged by recognized expertise.

If such a society were formed, it would probably have some residual attachment to liberal moral ideals, with the experts needing to be both intelligent and blandly "good," before these standards disappeared in favor of expertise purely. I doubt it could accurately be called a liberal democracy at that point either; it would be a post-liberal society.

>(also, have you read 'The Technological Society' by Ellul?)

I haven't. My thoughts about authority were mainly influenced by Kojeve.


 No.272

>>268

Then fuck that noise.

>>267

Well then, we're in agreement. I think the notion of "expertise" should be negated by design, maintaining a system of anonymous transfer of knowledge regardless of class or status.


 No.289

>>266

I mean that the people have to actively let the government rule, and therefore by definition there cannot be a state in which the people have no say unless they have been disarmed.




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 No.167[Reply]

Covers collected by u/wowbobwow from reddit:

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 No.178

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>collected by u/… from reddit


 No.179

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>>176

>>178

I decided to let this pass because, aesthetically, pulp covers are intriguing. Pic related: the original cover of Junky by William S. Burroughs

I retain the right to temp-ban anyone who makes threads about sci fi discussion outside of posting images -mod


 No.185

These are cool. Here's a great collection of pulp science fiction magazines for anyone who is interested. I recommend If magazine in particular.

https://archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive




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