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 No.48

I'm sure many of you have heard homosexual behavior considered a mental disorder. I'm curious to what you fellows, being both Rightwing yet Gay/Bi yourselves what your take on it is? I personally don't believe that homosexuality or at least bisexuality is a mental disorder due to it's prevalence both in nature and in ancient civilizations from the Greeks and Romans to the ancient Japanese. This is a topic I've wrestled with for a while and it's always difficult to get a concrete source for study as everyone who posts studies/research/articles on this sort of thing are usually either bleeding heart liberals who want to exterminate the straights or Nazi larpers who wants to exterminate the gays. Any relevant studies or theories that you use to support your belief on the subject would be appreciated.

 No.49

>implying that the ancients did not have mental disorders


 No.50

>>49

That would require the majority of people to have this "mental illness" as it was the social norm. I find it hard to believe that such a diverse number of civilizations all just so happened to have populations that all just so happened to have the same mental illness.


 No.51

>>50

Mental illnesses are determined by social norms? By that standard, of course homosexuality is a mental disorder (outside major cities) because it is not widely accepted.


 No.53

>>51

I don't think they are. I'm saying that for homosexuality to be a mental disorder those societies would have to have the majority population have that mental disorder and for the entirety of it's existence in some cases.


 No.54

>>53

Sorry I misunderstood. Certainly in the west, quite a few mental disorders ("hysteria," that one that was supposed to make slaves run away) are no longer considered legitimate diagnoses.


 No.59

>>48

I don't doubt that some who identify as gay/bi do so from mental disorder.


 No.69

As a bi male I've wrestled with this idea for years as well OP. Here is where I currently stand on my own theories and ideas. This is only my opinion and I would really love to see data backing any of this up or disproving it, but for now this is what I go with.

The first thing we need to understand is that male homosexuality is more than just a misfire or anomaly, the fact that the prostate is positioned in just the right location to feel pleasure from having another dick penetrate your ass is reason enough to disprove that, as coincidences in evolution are often not coincidences, but the result of providing a biological advantage to passing on your genes in some way. Beyond that, one can look at r/K selection theory and simple ideas when it comes to breeding strategies that can help explain this. This is by no means a simple issue to tackle, as it has multiple facets to it. As such, I have been able to divide up types of homosexuality into different camps for different reasons. These ideas are by no means conclusive, nor mutually exclusive to each other.

The first, and seemingly well accepted idea from some studies I have found is the idea of a male submitting to another male as a way to show he is not a threat to him. This allows that submissive male to infiltrate the other males collection of women, thus allowing him a chance to breed and having the other male raise his young. You see this with femboys and the like. This is sort of a r-select way to infiltrating a K-select's group, as the submissive male is not likely to share his resources with his offspring and in fact will leech resources for himself. This strategy is very similar to sneaky male strategies seen in other species.

This way, however, does not explain the other ways male homosexuality exhibits itself. The current majority of homosexuality, as seen via CDC studies, is the very promiscuous kind that sleeps with men in a series of one night stands, and only seeks pleasure, is a very r-select style. It follows very closely with the normal r-select mentality that the quality of the offspring is not important, only the quantity is, and thus it could be seen as a misfire for basic r-selects who only seek pleasure and the ability to breed as often as possible with as many partners as possible. Essentially, a hole is a hole, just keep fucking.

This still does not explain the warrior cultures of ancient times. Many of those cultures had men who would, for lack of a better term, pair bond with each other while at the same time having a wife of their own to breed with. For this I have to look at the way the human brain makes these kinds of pair bonds, and the answer is our old friend dopamine. Sexual pleasure is one of the highest releases of dopamine into our system, thus we get addicted (or fall in love with) the action that got us that hit. When our number of partners is low, we make that association with the partner, when it is high we associate it with the act. A pair of males who bond together like this, but who also have wives, will be more likely to opt to share resources and protect each other, even going so far as to help raise each others offspring, thus increasing both males odds of passing on their genes. I see this form as a very K-select idea, and often is the style I see many conservative homosexuals practice.


 No.70

>>69 (continued)

As I said before, these ideas can all exist at the same time, as recent studies into the r/K selection theory in humans show that environmental conditions can change our genes slightly to favor one strategy over the other, the field of Epigenetic covers this mostly. Also one can not completely cut out the idea of mental illness, as many studies have shown that true homosexuals are an extremely small minority, and most are simply bisexuals who favor their own sex more.

One of my many complaints about the progressive left is that studies into homosexual behavior is seen as taboo, that we should just accept them as is. I feel that due to this, and due to the conservitive dislike for homosexual issues in general, we have very little information on what I find to be a very interesting topic of human behavior.


 No.71

>>69

>>70

Suppose I'm what you'd classify as a "true homosexual". Not for want of trying to be otherwise, of course.

Being the youngest child of 'older' parents could mean any number of (epi)genetic mistakes were made during gestation. Perhaps I'm just one of natures little experiments that wasn't supposed to go anywhere; "throw it in the pot, give it a stir, see what comes out" sort of thing, and it spat out an aberration subconsciously averse to true reproduction.

It's a shame that politically minded folk on both sides have the particular hangups they do, and that no real money will ever be sunk into research of this nature. As you said, it's extremely interesting, not least because I'd love an answer as to why.


 No.72

>>71

well to be honest, if you could find the funding, you can find the research. Studies and tests could be done, easily I would think, but those studies and tests cost money. Left wing LGBT shit would never fund it because they might find info they don't like, Right wing wont do it because they see us as abominations or mistakes. Thus the only answer left to us is to fund it ourselves. Personally I would prefer the research not done by any political group, as there would be too much bias, no matter the side.

I personally think homosexuality at its core is a K-selected trait, as it helps foster in-group preference and teamwork amongst men. So perhaps as the r-selected left continues to ostracize gay men they will break off and opt to do the research themselves.


 No.74

Who gives a shit OP?

I don't mean that in a fuck you for posting kinda way I just mean an honest question.

There are two ways to approach sexuality: legitimizing or privatizing. I'm in the latter party.

You can either work your ass off to somehow put a moral gradience and therfore legitimacy into what makes your dick hard or you can just keep that business to yourself and nobody will care either way

Is it a mental illness? I dunno, if it was would it be any more acceptable or unacceptable?

Isn't it just easier to fug a dude and not make it a priority to let the world know whether or not it's "real love?"

I think so.


 No.75

>>74

It's really a bit split why I'm curious. One is just simple curiosity as to why I'm the way I am. Trying to find out more about ourselves has always been a major goal for people and it's no different with gays/bi.

And also of course I hate to see gays get lumped together with trans people and other degenerates who have a definite metal illness. I think that homosexual relations have merit and I'd hate to see that disregarded as "degeneracy" when it's not.

Really I hate the way the image of homosexuals has regressed into being degenerate party animals and aids spreaders. In a perfect world a more conservative homosexual would be the norm and not a bunch of flamers.


 No.76

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>>74

I give a shit. I care for the same reasons that made us want to understand how and why we do any of the other things we do as humans. It isn't a matter of legitimizing or privatizing for me, I'm generally just curious about human behavior. I understand most people don't want to over think such things, they just want to accept them and move on, and that is fine, but I like to know the hows and whys.

I mean, if it is a mental illness, then we could try to find a cure right? On the other hand, if it isn't an illness but something we evolved into our society over the tens of thousands of years we have been around, then maybe we shouldn't try to "cure" it until we understand the why.


 No.77

>>76

>cure

I personally don't believe it's something that needs to be cured. However my strong belief in it not being a mental illness might be swaying my opinion.


 No.79

>>77

I agree with this sentiment. I'm done trying to "cure" myself.


 No.425

it depends on what you define a mental illness as. personally i don't think it is. or if it is, it is one so insubstantial that basically any other mental illness i can think of is more severe and detrimental. the case for it being one would primarily just be that men are biologically supposed to be attracted to women. to illustrate, something like "situs invertus" is when organs are inverted to the opposite side of the body, yet it apparently has a low statistical chance of actually being directly detrimental. assuming no ill effects are had, the only issue is that this is not biologically supposed to happen. as to why it occurs? not sure, and it may just be an anomaly.

honestly i would point towards people claiming to be "transgender" as something far more deserving of the term mental illness. after all, it generally goes along with wanting to heavily modify and mutilate ones body, along with apparent dysphoria. regardless of if it is just a pure mental disorder or a or one that goes further with actual hormonal imbalances, etc, it has definitive negative symptoms, and should be considered a mental illness accordingly. honestly i find it odd that its even put into the same "category" as being gay


 No.578

>>48

As someone who always thought of himself as straight and only recently "discovered"/turned bi, but dominant, I never had any problems or insecurities about that.

But I guess they are going to come if I ever want to live it out.




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