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 No.6

Why aren't there any good ones?

>inb4 Milo Yiannopoulos

I disagree with this sentiment.

 No.23

What about Turing?


 No.42

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There are a lot of bisexual role models, especially if you go back towards antiquity.

>Milo Yiannopoulos

I disagree as well. For all his great arguments towards feminism and trannys his views on gays and how they should act are very self hating in nature. He seems to subscribe to the belief that gays should be degenerate sexual deviants who spend their weekends getting high and fucking whoever and not respectable people who could have monogamous relationships.


 No.92

>>42

Milo has a very unemotional viewpoint of his sexuality. I think it lends itself to his promiscuity. He's a contrarian person, so his viewpoints on homosexuality reflect that; he thinks it should be done to push the envelope.

I don't think this is a good way to perceive it either, it's shallow.


 No.94

>>23

Turing's a good one.

Honourable mention for David Starkey. His life has certainly been varied and colourful over the years.


 No.106

Proust, Wilde, Whitman, Handel, Da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Michelangelo(?), Alexander the Great(?)… well when it comed to ancient greeks and romans, it gets bizarre because you have to factor in the whole pederasty thing (meaning that a lot of these men wouldn't have homosexual relationships if they weren't raped by men as children).


 No.111

>Hadrian

>Marcus Aurelius


 No.130

There are plenty of figures in the Classical world with homoerotic leanings. Nevertheless, gay role-models is a trope destined to fail. Role-models are virtuous beyond their sexual tastes.

What we should be asking is what makes a virtuous man virtuous? How do we define good? That's a much more useful and important question.


 No.293

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>>106

That's a pretty extreme view of what pederasty is. Rape and sodomy were not common at all in Greece and Rome; in fact sodomy was a criminal offence for most of their histories – it was only in latter-day Rome that, due to their slave economy, things turned to hedonism and degeneracy. The Spartan practice of Agoge – warrior men taking up boys to teach – often involved semi-romantic or otherwise partially sexual relationships (fellatio, fondling, etc.), but partly because such a relationship was seen as a strengthening of the bond between the two. The same was in fact the case for many warriors, as is well known. The relationship was seen as a healthy and natural thing; something honest and pure.

More on Pederasty in Greece, from Wikipedia:

>Pederastic art shows seduction scenes as well as sexual relations. In the seduction scenes the man is standing, grasping the boy's chin with one hand and reaching to fondle his genitals with the other. In the sexual scenes, the partners stand embracing face to face, the older of the two engaged in intercrural sex with the younger, who (usually but not always) does not show arousal. Anal sex is almost never shown, and then only as something eliciting surprise in the observers. The practice was ostensibly disparaged, the Athenians often naming it jocularly after their Dorian neighbors ("cretanize," "laconize," "chalcidize"). While historians such as Dover and Halperin hold that only the man experienced pleasure, art and poetry indicate reciprocation of desire, and other historians assert that it is "a modern fairy tale that the younger eromenos was never aroused."

>Pederastic couples were also said to be feared by tyrants, because the bond between the friends was stronger than that of obedience to a tyrannical ruler. Plutarch gives as examples the Athenians Harmodius and Aristogeiton. Others, such as Aristotle, claimed that the Cretan lawgivers encouraged pederasty as a means of population control, by directing love and sexual desire into relations with males.

Pederasty has only really been a seriously disturbing thing in the Middle East – Afghanistan in particular, especially in recent years. Where it's not to much forced, but encouraged for young – 10, 11, 12 year-old – boys to "service" any men at whim, and that includes sodomy. A .webm comes to mind about a Muslim man talking about boy-fucking, telling a story about one such boy who started it off with several older men on a public bus. That sort of shit is pure, unbridled, unrestrained degeneracy, not dissimilar to some of the things the late Romans were accustomed to before their Empire collapsed and Rome was sacked by Alaric the Visigoth and others.

And just to clarify, I'm not defending pederasty, just explaining that it was not some institution of slavery, quite otherwise.


 No.306

Not to mention there were cases of homosexual relationships between two men who were both adults.

Also I'm not sure if Alexander ever participated in Pederasty in his childhood. He was Macedonian afterall and I remember reading that they're views on homosexuality were a little different than the Greeks.


 No.314

>>293

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never implied pederasty was akin to "slavery," all I ever implied was that homosexual encounters at a young age can turn straight people gay, and this isn't fringe psychology or whatever, it's pretty established. The idea that a 14 or 15 year old boy can consent to sucking off a 30 year old man, and that this is, in your words, "seen as healthy and natural" means fuck-all. It was healthy and natural for Canaanites to sacrifice their babies to a giant oven shaped like Moloch. It was healthy and natural for Aztecs to tear the still-beating heart out of whoever the fuck they declared to be that day's sacrifice.

Sorry, but your post reeks of moral relativism. The inherent difference in power between a young teenager and a grown man is huge, and the idea that this helped young boys in anyway is laughable. Being buttfucked or sucking an old man's dick is not some great gift, it's abuse, it's rape. That's my point of view. Sure, there may be instances of gays who loved it, and sure, society normalized this back then, so of course you're not going to hear from those who derided the practice (see: NAMBLA today being heard from in two thousand years).

But your basing an argument on a strawman sort of pissed me off, as did what seems to be a predisposition towards moral relativism. I don't really care what the fuck they thought of pederasty, there are millions of Americans who think circumcision is "hygenic" and in the baby's best interest. People can be fucked up, and these fucked up people go on to fuck more people up. The cyclical nature of child abuse is what allows for systems like pederasty to endure. I understand you're not supporting pederasty, but it seems to me a bit delusional to claim that one calling pederasty child rape to be an "extreme" point of view.


 No.315

>>306

Absolutely.

>>314

Moral relativism? Personally I think pederasty is an immoral act – and nowhere did I say otherwise, I just explained the consensus of the societies which engaged in the practice.


 No.381

>>6

What about Ian McKellen?


 No.394


 No.575

>>6

What about Alexander the Great and Ceasar?




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