No.14358[Last 50 Posts]
https://archive.today/ZTD5ySo, having drawings of imaginary children gets you thrown in jail in Britain!
No.14359
>The Evening Gazette reported that six years ago he was prosecuted for having “Tomb Raider-style” computer-generated pictures of fictional children.
Because everybody seems to gloss over the prior convictions part of these articles.
No.14360
Loli has been illegal in the UK since 2009.
>>14359If there isn't a victim, it shouldn't be a crime.
Also, obligatory:
http://jigsy1.blogspot.com/2014/10/defending-lolicon.html No.14361
>>14359>“Tomb Raider-style” computer-generated pictures of fictional children.>fictionalThat is exactly the point OP is making. There's no difference between a pencil-on-paper drawing and a vertices-and-shaders digital drawing, but there's a world of difference between those and any actual harm of children.
It is a disgrace that he was prosecuted for either of those things, and it reflects extremely poorly on the UK as a whole.
Not as poorly as the UK government being complicit in torture though. No.14362
It's funny they ban lolicon but Pakistanis can rape 1400 children and get away with it because racism.
No.14363
>>14362Prosecuting actual crime is hard. It's easier to go after drug addicts and sexual minorities. Who cares about ethics when there are targets to meet.
No.14364
>>14360
>A while back I stumbled on the eight stages of genocide on Wikipedia. After a while, I realized that If you change one or two things here and there, and apply them to people who've been accused of being pedophiles, child molesters, etc., you see how fucking frightening it is.3.
Dehumanization "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with objects, diseases or terrorists."
This sounds so familiar.
No.14365
>>14364>3. Dehumanization>"One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with objects, diseases or terrorists."The real irony of that statement is that it implies terrorists aren't human.
No.14367
I think you people are missing the big point here, pedophilia is wrong, therefore it's okay to harshly punish people for looking at loli.
It's the same reason video games like grand theft auto are illegal…. oh wait
No.14369
>Brits
No.14377
>>14367>pedophilia is wrongSince when has a sexuality been wrong? None of us chose to be born this way. None of us thought one day, "hey, you know what's a great idea - joining one of the most reviled and detested classes of people on the planet".
None of us want to be bad people, at least not initially. Tell someone they're a monster enough times though, and it might just become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
No.14382
>>14361>it reflects extremely poorly on the UK as a whole.We're talking about a country that banned female ejaculation…
No.14512
well expected from Britain, they banned almost every kind of porn recently XD
No.14565
>>14564That realization when Klingon sex is illegal under UK law.
No.14826
>>14360>If there isn't a victim, it shouldn't be a crime.While I definitely agree with you, I do see why Loli could be considered illegal.
It doesn't directly harm anyone, no, but it does spread the idea of harming someone. Now, I'll agree that we are all of sound mind and thought, here, but there are those who cannot differentiatie between right from wrong, and seeing Lolicon, might decide it is okay to force oneself onto an underage girl.
Of course, I still vote for legality, it's just good to understand both sides.
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I also love that blogpost
No.14830
>>14826>It doesn't directly harm anyone, no, but it does spread the idea of harming someone. Now, I'll agree that we are all of sound mind and thought, here, but there are those who cannot differentiate between right from wrong, and seeing Lolicon, might decide it is okay to force oneself onto an underage girl.That's silly, tho
There's plenty of stories of kids dying after trying to fly like Superman, but nobody blames Superman for the decisions of those kids
Why should the media you consume take the blame for your actions?
No.14835
>>14826Guess what, though. Pedophilia in itself isn't wrong. You think it's physically impossible for a preteen to not get traumatized by sexual contact with an adult? Think again. Lolicon isn't the depiction of child abuse. It's the depiction of child sex, and in case of loli rape it's simply child rape. But no one's going around condemning women for fantasizing about having sex forced onto them by what they think is a handsome, attractive man, or a werewolf, or whatever. Lolicon takes the uncommon(for reasons too complicated to elaborate right now) real life occurrence of a child enjoying sex and without being permanently traumatized and glorifies/romanticizes that, more often than not to the point of normalization.
All that doesn't matter, though, with the dogma of "consensual sex with children is impossible" firmly rooted in modern western society and even spreading to other cultures previously not as deluded by this worship of children as divine, untouchable entities. You want to know when lolicon becomes acceptable again as it was 15 years ago when few people knew of it? It's when the stigma of pedophilia has been broken and society is no longer afraid to tackle the issue objectively. In other words, probably not within our lifetimes.
No.14836
>>14826>it's just good to understand both sides.I understand that the other side are using logic which could equally be used to argue for burning 90% of the books which currently exist. Fuck that noise. I wouldn't even give it the dignity of describing it as something which could be understood. They might as well be screaming, "the invisible unicorns have issued a proclamation that loli be illegal," for all the sense it makes.
No.14837
>>14358Also, how many lolicon convictions has Britain seen so far?
No.14886
Just a heads up: Loli(or anything related, like small onaholes) is still pretty srs bzns in Canada in 2015, so don't think that guy being charged with cp for drawings was an isolated incident.
No.15008
>>14364>pedophilesAnyone who fucks kids is subhuman. However, that has NOTHING to do with lolicon
No.15009
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No.15012
Might as well just download images of REAL children if that's the case.
See how fucking retarded it is to prosecute lolicon imagery? Nobody is hurt by them, and if it's just as illegal but infinitely less difficult to stumble upon I don't see laws like this doing anything more than pushing peds to get the real thing.
No.15019
>>15008>Anyone who fucks kids is subhuman.Incorrect.
Hitler was human. Stalin was human. Every mass murderer, sadistic torturer, and crazed lunatic throughout history was human.
To pretend otherwise is to risk repeating the mistakes of the past. If you assert that someone like Hitler is fundamentally different to the rest of us, then the logic also follows that someone who is like the rest of us can't possibly be the next Hitler. The very reason Hitler was voted into power in the first place was because a whole bunch of people thought he seemed like a nice, normal person. But don't worry, that guy you're about to vote for is definitely not going to commit genocide - he doesn't seem subhuman after all.
Also dehumanising others, even those who commit the worst atrocities, does not help improve our society. There has never been a single instance in human history where "an eye for an eye" actually resolved a conflict. Humanity is like a couple of little kids who keep hitting each other and saying "I won't stop until he stops." Following that path guarantees that conflicts will only be resolved by both sides using every weapon at their disposal until one or both are dead.
In other words, people like you are the reason we're still stuck on this rock killing each other.
No.15043
>>15012That is something that people have actually brought up. If you are going to punish people equally for viewing cartoon pictures or actual IRL child porn, why not just view the IRL child porn?
It just ENCOURAGES people to offend.
No.15055
>>14369Just came across this:
http://8ch.net/news+/res/10330.htmlMaybe if he'd stuck to the drawn stuff he'd not be messing with the real thing No.15091
No.16101
>>15043I disagree with this.
Because it just gives off the impression that people only consume lolicon because CP is illegal.
While most probably do and would go after CP if it were legal. All the ones making noise to defend it are ones who swear blind they want nothing to do with CP anyway, so loli being illegal shouldn't make those guys decide to go after CP.
No.16141
Keep in mind, this is the same country that is so pedo paranoid, that they have arrested fathers simply for filming their own family at a park.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. Australia, The UK, much of Europe and Canada are all growing more and more towards being authoritarian nanny states.
No.16142
>>14837I have only heard of a few, but who knows, for sure. I havent heard of any widespread crackdrown from any of my UK friends.
No.16144
>>16142As someone who lives in the UK, unlike most other people, if I'm ever arrested for lolicon I will defend it in a court of law.
I'm not going to pussy out like most other people.
No.16145
>>16144if I were one of those people, I would reach out to the anime and lolicon communities (along with groups like the ACLU and so on) to help raise money for a good lawyer and I would challenge the validity of those laws. If I were ousted as a lolicon, then I might as well dedicate my life to fighting against those unjust laws.
No.16146
>>16145Personally I'd litigant in person. But that's just me.
But I definetely would have a lawyer present during an interrogation.
No.16147
>>16141its also the same country that lets shitskins rape children, and arrests people trying to stop it for being racist.
its a joke of a country.
No.16148
>>16147its funny how, with religion in decline in europe, there isnt any less thought policing or authoritarianism. In fact, SJWs might be even worse. I guess it is just something in their nature, to be oppressive moralizing cunts.
No.16149
>>16147Um… what? No, they do not you asswipe. If you rape a child (hell, they call even consensual sex rape over in the U.K. if your partners are under 16 and you are over 18), you are going to prison Muslim or not.
No.16153
>>16149Unless you're a politician, of course.
No.16156
>>16149This is what he is referring to. These guys got away with it for around a decade, because police didnt want to fuck with muslim areas. Lest they be called racists.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/ No.16164
>>16156It's actually looking worse than that, with high level politicians being involved in underage sex trafficking and shutting down any investigations that were started.
No.16174
>>16156>she is told that, if she says a word to anyone, she will be taken from the home and beaten.I wonder how violent/threatening people would be if it weren't illegal.
No.16175
>she is taken into the countryside, doused in petrol, and told that she is going to be set alight, unless she promises to tell no one of the ordeal.
And another. It's things like these that make me wish this sort of thing was handled on a case by case basis.
No.16176
>Her complaint is dismissed on the grounds that any sex involved must have been consensual.
>But when the girl describes them the social worker switches off with a shrug and says that she can do nothing.
Ironic how all these stories highlight nothing being done. Yet there's all the talk of people getting arrested for "child abuse material".
No.16177
>>16176This is what government targets do.
Arrests for "child abuse material" probably fall into the same targets category as stopping a violent child-rapist and murderer. There are far more people with loli porn on their computers than there are violent rapists and they're far easier to catch, so the pigs go after them.
Reducing total suffering in the world doesn't even get mentioned on their list of priorities.
No.16182
>>161771st priority is to make sure they stay remain elected.
No.16263
https://archive.today/DXLDO>Why don't we feel guilty in video games?
>Guilt and remorse are near-universal human emotions, but their role in narrative games is minimal. Isn’t it time this changed?>Isn’t it time this changed?UK to ban more things… maybe.
No.16307
uk cucks are scumbag. the goodest of goyim.
No.19871
UK just got even more retarded.
https://archive.is/hV5gC
No.20015
>>14365
Honestly, look at the definition of terrorist, and then look at what terrorists today are doing, and then say that they're not inhuman. Not saying terrorists aren't human, just saying that terrorism is an inhuman act
No.20036
>>20015
Which terrorists are you talking about again?
Even Hitler was human and deserved to be treated with compassion once he was prevented from causing further harm.
No.20093
>>15008
>Anyone who fucks kids is subhuman.
And if those kids consentened to it and the sex was done in a safely manner that takes into account their sexual limitations?
I agree that child molesters who physically take advantage over little children should be put in jail, but I make a clear distinction between those pigs and real child lovers.
No.20108
>>20093
They are human, not pigs. The ideal solution would be to allow them to live perfectly happy lives but somehow prevent then from causing further harm. Prison is an imperfect solution to that problem, and we should not forget that.
No.20109
>>20108
Usually child molesters are only dangerous to children, it's better to keep them under watch in special no-children allowed communities than put more strain on the prison system.
No.20111
>>20036
I'm not saying that they're not human; what I AM saying (if you scroll back to >>14364 and >>14365 ) is that comparing someone to a terrorist is a pretty good way to say that someone's inhuman/subhuman
I'm not saying that it's a correct, ethical, or well-thought-out viewpoint, just that I can see the appeal to a liken-the-person-to-terrorists strategy, especially considering the stupidity and mob-mindset-readiness of the average person.
No.20112
>>20093
>if those kids consentened to it and the sex was done in a safely manner that takes into account their sexual limitations
One of the big issues being that it's hard to determine whether the children with their literally underdeveloped brains can even give informed consent, as such.
No.20116
>>20112
>literally undeveloped brains
There's a big difference between the average brain capacity of an average 5yo, 10yo and those of premature kids of the same age. But that's a topic for one of the other threads.
No.20193
>>20109
Usually child 'molesters' are not dangerous period. The fact is that most instances of child molestation are an adult ASKING a child if they can touch them in a sexual manner and getting a yea or nay, coming from the various statements I have gotten from 'abuse' 'victims' who regret telling on the person in question.
No.20194
>>20116
Not really. The fact is that children are JUST as able to reason as adults in the real world, numerous psychologists have been lambasting the whole "Children are not able to understand consequences!" thing by pointing out that children do understand consequences, they just ignore them unless it means they might get physically injured badly.
No.20198
>>20194
That wasn't the point. What the entire pedo argument boils down to is "can kids consent to casual sex with adults if they themselves are interested, and would it be harmful in every case? Rationally, we would have to say yes(some can) to the first and no to the second question respectively. The world violently disagrees right now, so any form of child adult sexual contact is being deemed irredeemably harmful, which includes mere fantasies of even the most "ideal scenarios". That freedom of expression has to suffer from this mania is horrible, but right now the fates of drawn cp and real life child abuse are irrevocably linked. It doesn't mean that the lolicon community should fight for pedo rights or vise versa, however it does mean that they would be better off thinking about and coming to their own conclusions regarding (real)pedophilia, actual child abuse and child-adult sex instead of mindlessly repeating what they think will get other people to leave them alone.
No.20200
It's really less of an issue if children can physically give consent and more that they can't legally give consent.
No.20201
>>20198
>can kids consent to casual sex with adults
>casual sex
disgusting. go be a degenerate somewhere else.
No.20203
>>20201
>think kids can't consent
>browse pedophile board, call others degenerate
Nice :')
No.20246
>>20203
>casual sex
>casual
thats the part i have a problem with.
im fine with the rest.
No.25874
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Was taking to a guy on IRC who's friend got this back in May.
Now I plan to publiclyseed as much COMIC LO and bestiality CG out of spite.
No.25908
>>25874
I hope you're seeding on tor, though. Don't be suicidal, please.
No.25939
>>25908
Torrents don't work through Tor. Use I2P.
No.25940
>>25908
Please don't seed through Tor; it fucks up the network and won't result in efficient torrenting.
DO seed with something like a VPN, or as
>>25939 says, through I2P so long as your potential audience knows to use I2P as well, since it's outside of normal bittorrent trackers.
No.25951
>>14826
We should ban violent films and video games because they might cause someone to commit murder/assault
No.25952
>>14358
Are there actually any countries that aren't complete shitholes where lolicon is legal?
(Japan doesn't count)
No.25954
>>25952
Not OP, but I had to do a map a few years ago regarding this, and the status of pornography and other things.
The Netherlands is one iirc.
No.25955
>>25908
But where's the fun in that?
No.25958
No.25959
Remember, behind every depiction of a 2D loli there is pain, the pain of repetitive strain injury on the artist.
No.25961
>the more the ill-disposed may think it’s acceptable
That's not how it works. If you are ill-disposed, you already think it's acceptable.
No.25977
>>25954
I wouldn't cound the Netherlands as safe haven though. Even if it's legal, in '11 they tried to introduce a law banning it, so while it's okay for now it doesn't mean they're not going to try it again. The only countries that have actually shows to have anything but a hostile attitude to loli are Spain, Denmark, Japan and the US.
No.25979
>>25977
>US
Might want to double check that.
No.26000
>>25979
US is fine regardless of memes from paranoid types.
No.26005
>>25979
It's technically a grey area be cause of the risk of obscenity charges and the certainty that any loli image would be ruled obscene in a trial. But on the other hand you have bureaucracy protecting loli from being blanked banned because every single image has to be examined and ruled obscene separately.
So yeah, if at some point in the future someone raises obscenity charges against the entirety of the gelbooru loli archive for instance, it'd be a huge deal, and for the judges and jury to examine thousands and thousands of images it'd take months, if not years. And even if they'd manage to declare all of the image obscene, it there are hundreds of thousands of other loli images out there they would also need to pass judgement on. It'd be Sisyphus' worst nightmare. They're much better off sitting idly by as foreign countries pressure their sites into submission, because the chilling effect is just as good of a censorship tool, if not a better one, than actual illegality.
Because of this improbability of the US government to make any effort when such a "problem" can pretty much solve itself through noninterference with outside pressures is why I listed the US under "legal".
No.26007
>>26005
>any loli image would be ruled obscene in a trial
Not true since loli art is just that, art. Since it is art it is protected. In the US is is some what a grey area but a grey in our favor at the moment. In reality no one has been arrested for viewing or owning loli alone, there are isolated cases of people being arrested for importing though, so it seems like in the US as long as you don't stand out by importing physical materials they never look your way.
No.26050
>>26007
>loli is just art
It's porn first, and art second, so it's not immune to obscenity charges.
Doesn't really matter, though, as I've said. Ya don't have to make something illegal to make it disappear almost completely.
No.26053
>>26050
Being porn first doesn't change it as art. The test set up for it covers art and since there is no art that lack artists value it passes 99.9% of the time. Illegal or illegal, as long as there is a want for it it will exist. Why drugs still make billions a years and alcohol became more popular and profitable during prohibition.
No.26055
>>26050
It's art first and porn second.
No.26056
>>14826
>there are those who cannot differentiatie between right from wrong, and seeing Lolicon, might decide it is okay to force oneself onto an underage girl.
This is a terrible argument and, if people took it seriously, it could permanently cripple the fiction industry. Imagine a film where cops are chasing robbers that have hijacked a train. This is a simple action film, yet based on this argument, it should not be shown because some of the audience cannot differentiate between right and wrong, and will therefore try to kill the police officers.
No.26063
>>26056
It may be a terrible argument, but people actually tried to use it in favour of banning first-person shooter games like Counter Strike. While you're correct that it could as well be applied to action films, I think people tend to employ it only regarding media with 'extreme' contents, like sex, demagogy, or violence. I might be wrong though; there are people who even tried to ban Harry Potter books because he 'takes drugs' and this might have a negative impact on children.
No.26066
>>26063
I thought people wanted Harry Potter banned because it was "satanic," and taught "black magic" and "witchcraft?"
No.26070
>>26066
It's because he constantly breaks the rules and is rewarded instead of punished by the headmaster.
No.26073
>>26005
>>26000
well then!
how should i download these loli games i've been wanting to play for years? tor, or is vanilla browser fine?
No.26076
>>26056
I believe that technically, if you have those who "cannot differentiatie between right from wrong" they'd be just as likely to think it's okay to force oneself on a girl without seeing lolicon first as they are with it. If you have people who "cannot differentiatie between right from wrong" then that is a very serious issue for society, and these measures, if they even treat anything well at all, only treat a symptom and not the causes.
No.26084
>This is material that clearly society and the public can well do without. Its danger is that it obviously portrays sexual activity with children, and the more it’s portrayed, the more the ill-disposed may think it’s acceptable
So, exposing the public to films decripting explicit violence, murders, shooting, member tearing, stabbing, pushing against hills, against lethal machinery as bone crushers… all that and more… aren't that ill-disposed persons going to think that murdering is acceptable? I guess not, because I keep seeing blody violent films coming out like ants from a nest. Axplain me the difference between savagely killing a person and a simple image even with a white background with a draw of a child naked on it is so much times worst.
No.26087
>>26084
The way violence is glorified in popular media is fundamentally different from the depiction of child sex. You can't compare them 1:1.
No.26089
>>26087
It would be less armful if we had AAA budget CP movies?
I'm calling Hollywood right now!
No.26097
>>14363
Sure is good to be a burger fat right now
Drugs and Crime are low here
No.26099
>>26089
Depiction of violence in popular media is always justified by having the protagonist inflict it on mostly faceless enemies. If violence is depicted in a unjustifiable or sadistic way it's done so exclusively to vilify the antagonists.
Whenever gratuitous unjustified violence is displayed and not acted out by the protagonist, it's viewed as sadistic and "bad". This is what everyone sees when they look at or imagine loli. Not justified violence, but sadistic violence acted out by the protagonist. In case of solo or lesbian loli pics, the sadistic violence is projected onto the imaginary(pedophile male) viewer, for which all of lolicon is created for in the minds of the public.
If a type of media ends up glorifying sadistic, unjustified violence, it always ends up causing outrage - just look at the game Hatred an all of it's spiritual predecessors.
For the vast majority, no matter how cute, innocent or absent of sexual violence or abuse the image, lolicon is the epitome of unjustified sadistic violence. They don't need to see it or know anything about it, all that matters is what they imagine it to be. For the public there is no justification for child abuse. It doesn't matter if the imaginary child portrayed in a lolita like forbidden love romance with her teacher, or if it is depicted with as sex slave with all of its limbs removed and its body covered in old cum and blood. It's the same. Rape is a genre in hentai, a trope, a plot device, that can be used or not, but those who know nothing about it think it's an integral part of loli and shotacon. That they're irrevocably connected. It's what society has indoctrinated us to think about real pedophilia. It's always rape, no exceptions.
With that established, it's easy to see why people can't allow lolicon and shotacon to a lesser degree to exist. There is no way for them internally to justify child abuse in these fictional settings. Sexual attraction, curiosity or love are irrelevant, since in any real world counterpart, they'd also be completely irrelevant. The perceived severity and amount of harm child abuse is imagined to cause has been exaggerated by out society to such a degree that no one can(or dares to because of the taboo) even fathom any action or circumstance in which the protagonist could be absolved for his sacrilegious actions. Pedophilia is unforgivable is what's being told to us everywhere, it's the worse crime imaginable to man. It's never said but clearly implied that it is worse than murder. The only crimes allowed to be thought of as worse are torture of an equally or more innocent(innocent = young) person, and mass murder. How many doujins, images or stories involving lolicon or shotacon have you seen and read that have the protagonist put in a situation where he's forced to choose between having sex with a child or being responsible for the torture of her sister or parents? That would be the only circumstance in which the judging public could allow itself to sanction the protagonist's acts of child abuse.
(cont…)
No.26100
>>26099
Okay, we have found a justification for letting someone commit child abuse in a story, and even though the amount of creative freedom this allows couldn't be any more limited we should be safe from the public's general hatred, right? Wrong. Even if every underage porn image, manga, anime and story were based on this "choosing the lesser evil" premise, people would start asking questions about why any of the content has to spend so much time on focusing on the act of child abuse when it's not conductive to the plot of the story at all. Furthermore, in their opinion, lolicon tends to depict an entirely impossible circumstance, that of the victim enjoying the sexual abuse, even to the point of showing absolutely no physical or mental trauma. The first and most obvious explanation, outside of one of two exceptions, would be that the content is targeted at pedophiles, but not in what the public perceives to be a healthy way. It is strongly believed that allowing pedophile interests to flourish, even if it never causes any harm, increases the risk of them to go out and rape. Because the subject is so unique taboo there are no conclusive(e.g. an overwhelming amount of) studies showing that allowing pedophiles to indulge in pedophile fantasies does not increase the risk of them abusing. There are some studies, but those are easily dismissed or omitted in any discussion because they go against what people have been told, and at this point like to think about pedophilia. It's much easier and more satisfying(for those who enjoy focusing their hate and fears on pedophilia) to bury the uncomfortable subject matter, and choosing to believe that depicting children enjoying sex with adults could potentially reinforce the pedophile's mind and make things worse. Even with morally justifiable motivations for the character and/or the viewer in lolicon to abuse a child, the public would still want to deny people the ability to masturbate to the impossibility of the idea of children enjoying sexual contact with adults.
(cont…)
No.26101
>>26100
The idea of children always being harmed in some way by child/adult sex is the core notion in society's push to exterminate anything related to pedophilia, and under that premise the only thing that would allow lolicon and shotacon to ever resurface again as a tolerated and accepted part of hentai is if that central dogma breaks down. However, should that ever happen, society's stance towards pedophilia at large would change, and for that to eventually happen much more than just a few decades have to pass. Underage art has only managed to flourish like it did because of a unique set of coincidences, namely the advent of the early, largely uncommercialized and uncontrolled web and the relative obscurity of hentai, especially lolicon and shotacon. Japanese culture never really developed an irrational fear of pedophilia to the degree the West did, and having been isolated from Western cultures for the longest time lolicon and shotacon had the opportunity to become an accepted part of their culture. When globalization shifted into the next gear around 2000 with the web breaking down barriers, those cultural oddities moved to the net at large and had the chance to mix and mingle with Western ideas, allowing Western ideals to influence Japanese and vice versa. Many Western pedophiles and non pedophiles alike felt mesmerized by the lack of, or open depiction of taboos, sexual or not, or anything Westerners have always fantasized about in private but didn't allow themselves to express. An online culture developed that was inclusive of every idea and open to new ways of thinking, even if it disagreed with some.
We all know what happened next. The net became commercialized and image wary about the content they were promoting with their ads and hosting space, and much broader range of people started using the internet, many of which flocking to social media which allowed anyone to cook up a storm about things they disagree with. Lolicon and Shotacon were no longer hidden in obscurity, with the increasing number of people violently opposed to its premise starting to complain to whatever authority they thought would hear them. Advertizers, governments, admins. Sites started excluding underage art, first for financial reasons, but as time went on and the social justice movement, which funnily enough supported pedophilia at first before they realized the battle uphill is too steep, made having a perceived right not to be offended by any content fashionable, ending in more sites removing their "most offensive" material. Then government agencies, always being the last to adapt to social changes, came in and pressured sites half around the world to remove content their laws disagreed with. The results of that development were living right now. The golden times for loli and shota are over. TOR and co. may allow for a short lived renaissance, but until the world grows out of their fear of pedophilia, this is it. I'm happy to have been alive during this era and also have had the fortune to see massive amounts of porn of my all time favorite anime and cartoons. But it's also sad knowing that people who're in their teens right now will once again learn to obey the taboo of expressing anything related to the celebration of pedophilia.
In other news, as predicted, the loli scene has started to move to the darknet: http://pomfyyoqgwqzven7.onion/
No.26102
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>>26101
Forgot to post a screenshot of the site.
No.26107
>>14358
Nope, pleading guilty does. I'm pretty sure it does so no matter country or charge.
No.26108
No.26112
>>26102
They fight for freedom of expression… while hiding away on a Darknet instead of out in the open. /:)
No.26114
>>26112
Yeah, looks more like a refuge to me.
Also empty as fuck, guess it just became a thing
No.26115
>>26099
>>26100
>>26101
Excellent writing.
Honestly, pedophilia is bad by the "candy van" stereotype, but the fact that fringe cases and fictional cases are considered taboo is the reason such topics are discussed to begin with, and why candy van type people exist. Liberals and conservatives alike can hardly understand that certain things that are illegal are not bad. Liberals, for all their revolution talk, are hardly revolutionary, and purely exist because they think they should be able to be irresponsible and have no cultural backlash, and conservatives think they need to act as the Fun Police, where anything enjoyed needs to have rules and regulations because they perceive it as irresponsible, even if the person was secretive about it, doesn't mention it, and if the person is very responsible and respectful about it. Thus, conservatives create liberals, because the natural reaction to disagreement is to go as FAR from the opinion you agree with as possible.
But then there are the people who know that things like pedophilia are culturally bad, but think that fringe cases and fiction shouldn't be touched. These people get fucked by conservatives for being "immoral", and by liberals for being "too restrictive" or "offensive".
There are very few winning points, and until society can distinguish between a child predator and someone who enjoys the body type (or God forbid; actually likes children, albeit a little sexually as well, not that they would ever rape a child) there are no winning points.
No.26270
>>26115
Should've spell checked, but it was a spontaneous write up and I didn't have any time.
>pedophilia are culturally bad
I wouldn't phrase it like that, since it's just another generalization demonizing anything connected to pedophilia, real or not. Calling something "bad", "unhealthy", or any other vague terms without being specific about it always creates a bias for the negative for the entire subject matter.
I don' think fringe cases, like you said, would be that rare if society would distinguish between child abuse and pedophilia. There are a few cases in which I could imagine sexual interaction(always initiated by the child's curiosity/interest) to be justified, but having groups of drooling men sit around the playground picking their targets is obviously not one of them.
Just realizing it's getting too off topic so I'll stop here, this isn't a thread about the merits of pedophilia. Soz.
No.26492
http://www.fccj.or.jp/number-1-shimbun/item/527-when-otaku-attack-adventures-in-subculture.html
A little article about lolicon subculture in Japan I found. Might be interest for someone.Wish someone would write about its rise and fall in the West, too.
No.26494
No.26496
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>26492
Holy shit
"It Girl"
You the it girl, hey hey, my inspiration
My compass spinnin', baby, it's the right destination
Come on, come on, tell me what I came for
I got treasure to hide, so let's keep it from the strangers
Your waves, they wash all over me
Your tides, they pull me back to sea
When you bite on my lip
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
When you kiss on my lips
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
You don't know, I've been missin' you
Baby when you, go
Oh the only way you can be a bad girl to me
You the it girl, hey hey, my inspiration
My compass spinnin', baby, it's the right destination
Come on, come on, tell me what I came for
I got treasure to hide, so let's keep it from the strangers
Your waves, they wash all over me
Your tides, they pull me back to sea
When you bite on my lip
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
When you kiss on my lips
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
You don't know, I've been missin' you
Baby when you, go, I'm missin' you
Truly gettin' me high, I be missin' you
You make me downright seasick
Oh the only way you can be a bad girl to me
You the it girl, hey hey, my inspiration
My compass spinnin', baby, it's the right destination
Come on, come on, tell me what I came for
I got treasure to hide, so let's keep it from the strangers
Your waves, they wash all over me
Your tides, they pull me back to sea
When you bite on my lip
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
When you kiss on my lips
And hold my hand, and moan again, I'm a hold that ass
No.26508
>>26492
His main stance is right there at the beginning "nobody talks about lolicon, nobody acknowledges it". Meanwhile lolicon artists getting sold out at Comiket and the country has a lolicon dedicated magazine. Search lolicon on sadpanda (closest we have to a comprehensive hentai archive). It displays 3139 pages for me, not including western, non-h and asian porn tags. The entire archive is 12392 pages, with lolicon search removed. It means that more than a quarter of all hentai manga and doujinshi and japanese pixiv art that is on panda is related to lolicon. It is deeply integrated in Japan, and is not as fringe of a fetish as this guy's portrays it.
No.26510
No.26528
>>14826
>If there isn't a victim, it shouldn't be a crime.
While I definitely agree with you, I do see why violent videogames could be considered illegal.
It doesn't directly harm anyone, no, but it does spread the idea of harming someone. Now, I'll agree that we are all of sound mind and thought, here, but there are those who cannot differentiatie between right from wrong, and seeing violent videogames, might decide it is okay to beat someone to death on the streets.
No.26574
>>14826
>It doesn't directly harm anyone, no, but it does spread the idea of harming someone
Could making pornography legal lead to lower rates of sex crimes?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm
>Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. In addition, the study found that the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan.
No.26584
>>26574
Should the legality of pornography, or any speech, be based on its ability to prevent crime?
Of course not, because then you'd end up censoring content by adjudging perceived negative effects to them. It's the same with guns, or driver's licenses. Not anyone can come and get one of these(speaking on average), and to obtain the right to use a gun/car you have to present a certain level of maturity, which equals responsibility to not do harm with the power those tools give you. Assuming that even adults can't consume porn without some sort of oversight is that needs to protect them from themselves is ludicrous.
No.27778
Although a separate law, there might be some hope for the UK after all.
https://archive.is/TuYBl
No.27849
>>26584
I don't think the point is that the legality of pornography should be based on its ability to prevent crime. The point is that the ILLEGALITY of pornography should not be based on the assumption that it will lead to crime when it in fact demonstrably does not.
No.27880
>>26528
What you fail to understand is that people of sound mind and thought should have their rights infringed upon, because a select few are not mentally capable of differentiating reality from a video game. Those people should be restricted from games, not everyone.
No.27881
No.31429
No.31432
>>31429
UK becomes even more of a censored police state everyday. I feel bad for any one living there.
No.31442
>>31432
Only thing they can hope for is that this insanity rears a generation of Orwell's, although it may be too late by that time