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 No.19889

I just played Unteralterbach, and it was fucking amazing. Anyone know of other good loli VN's?

 No.19890

Preferably translated to English too


 No.19911

Your visual novel is oel, aka shit tier.


 No.19924

Wanko to Kurasou is pretty okay.


 No.19928

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I want to say Monobeno -happy end-, but that's not TL'd sadly.


 No.19934

>>19889

Reminder that UAB is the only western loli VN ever made right now.

why is this allowed

check out Monobeno though


 No.19945

>>19928

and let's not forget monobeno (happy end is the sequel) . it pains me i will never read that in english


 No.19948

>>19945

happy end isnt really a sequel.

they fixed some things in the original, added after story content and a bunch of hscenes.


 No.19957

I've just started Saya no Uta. It's very interesting. Though it doesn't have a strong H focus.


 No.20011

>>19957

Well it's not all about the sex, also it's the best love story.


 No.20054

>https://vndb.org/r27674

>This version of the game is censored, removing a few specific scenes with Kokoro and her classmate.

WELL FUCK YOU!


 No.20060

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I myself am interested, too. I loved Unteralterbach, but the sex scenes were too purposefully gross and sticky, and the red-pill stuff doesn't jive with me. I want some very serene, lovey, semi-softcore VN's that truly capture the beauty of lolis like pic related.

My loli fantasy is pretty much naked cuddling and fondling and getting blowjobs.


 No.20063

>>19889

Saya no Uta


 No.20064

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Anyone here who played unteralterbach felt a massive void inside them when it was over?

I can't be the only one who suffered from depression ever since I finished this game.

Also Maya best loli.


 No.20065

>>20060

Saya no Uta has BJs and fondling.


 No.20066

>>20064

I felt that massive void feeling i always get at the end of a good book. Reading alot made me get used to it. It's a good thing, Anon


 No.20067

>>20065

Huh, didn't know it was that lewd. I was interested in playing it regardless. I guess I know what's next on my list.

>>20064

I dunno, I'm the anon who just finished it, but I don't quite feel that yet. Probably because I don't think I've experienced everything there is to experience in the game.


 No.20079

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>>20067

So it appears you can play Saya no Uta on your DS? How does one do that?


 No.20084

>>20067

Well SnU is an eroge so there is sex, but the VN can also be disturbing.


 No.20085

YUME MIRU KUSURI has some


 No.20657

>>19928

And someone is TLing this now! :D


 No.20661

>>20084

What's so disturbing about a man and a bunch of flesh and err tentacles love eachother?


 No.20695


 No.20699

>>20060

> but the sex scenes were too purposefully gross and sticky

Oh my god. Like real life?


 No.20709

>>20060

>red-pill stuff

that spoiled it for me too. It's double the fun if you understand german and have spent enough time on KC to get all those jokes. It really has it's moments, but some of it is extremely cringe-inducing, especially the part about feminism.

I may even have had taken it for some serious political commentary were it not for this stuff :/

And yeah, Maya rules.


 No.20908

>>20709

You are in favor of feminism? Do you realize that feminists want to ban loli?


 No.20956

>>20908

Why would they want to ban Loli? I thought it would be the opposite


 No.20963

>>20956

Why on Earth would it be the opposite?

Feminazis want to ban virtually everything.


 No.20970


 No.20971

>>20963

>Muh feminazis strawman

The only thing feminists have in common is that they want to improve women's conditions. While there certainly are radical feminists who would love to ban men altogether, there are many moderate, sensible feminists who make valid points.

The blog post you posted is no feminazis, at least from what I read. While I obviously don't share her opinion, she didn't just scream >RAPE, >muh patriarchy or the likes. It was a normal internet argument in which she raised some interesting point. Also her opponent really sucked at arguing.


 No.20973

>>20971

Feminism is like islam, while indeed the extremists are in the minority, the moderates don't condemn or even support this minority and its views.


 No.20975

>>20971

Still still wants to ban speech that offends her.


 No.20976

>>20970

I can't even read that without wanting to punch something.


 No.21043

>>20970

I get the feeling that this feminist thinks that almost all sex is rape, or at least violent in some way. She seems to view all lolicon as violent rape with nothing resembling love involved. That's really just sad. How sad her life must be. Her heart probably skips a beat when she sees a father and daughter having fun together (without the mother present).


 No.21045

>>20064

I felt this way after playing Katawa Shoujo. I'm downloading unteralterbach now, I'm excited to get that feeling again.


 No.21084

>>21043

Loli objectively does depict rape, namely statutory rape.


 No.21085

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>>21084

just because it has rape in the name does not mean it is rape.


 No.21088

>>21085

Statutory rape really does mean rape, unlike rapeseed which is derived from the word latin word for turnip.


 No.21090

>>21088

i prefer the definition of rape that means "forced sex" instead of "illegal sex"


 No.21121

>>21088

No, it doesn't actually. Rape literally means to force, they just use rape in the name to make it seem more evil.


 No.21640

>>21088

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapeseed

> Etymology

> rape +? seed

Check your sources before posting bullshit, please. Although you could still be right with rapum.

What >>21085 wanted to express however (and you spectacularly failed to realize) is that terming something 'rape' doesn't automatically make it rape, like terming something 'cool' doesn't automatically decrease its temperature. 'Statutory rape' is an artefact of the English language and the way it's being used in the USA – there are languages in which the corresponding term doesn't contain the equivalent of 'rape'.


 No.21648

>>21640

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=rape&searchmode=none

>late 14c., from Old French rape, from Latin rapa, rapum "turnip," from PIE *rap- (cognates: Greek hrapys "rape," Old Church Slavonic repa, Lithuanian rope, Middle Dutch roeve, Old High German ruoba, German Rübe "rape, turnip"). Usually grown to feed sheep, an oil made from it is used in cooking (see canola).

Canola oil is another name for rapeseed oil, by the way.

>wanted to express however (and you spectacularly failed to realize) is that terming something 'rape' doesn't automatically make it rape, like terming something 'cool' doesn't automatically decrease its temperature. 'Statutory rape' is an artefact of the English language and the way it's being used in the USA – there are languages in which the corresponding term doesn't contain the equivalent of 'rape'.

It's not just a figure of speech, statutory rape is considered non-consensual forced sex. No matter if you agree with it or not, people believe having sex with a child is always forced due to the age gap.


 No.21651

>>21648

>statutory rape is considered non-consensual forced sex

False, forced sex with a minor is still called rape/molestation. When it's consensual it's labeled as statutory rape. Statutory rape=/=literal rape.


 No.21659

>>21651

>False, forced sex with a minor is still called rape/molestation

Specifically it's aggravated rape, but that doesn't mean that statutory rape isn't rape. It's just that they don't have to prove force. It would be silly to think that people are going to prison for consensual sex.


 No.21660

>>21659

Because there was none. When there is force it is known and provable and will be charged with rape of a minor or sexual battery on a minor. It's still not literal rape. They are going to prison for consensual sex, because the laws says so and the public loves the witch hunt mentality.


 No.21661

>>21660

Let me put it this way, if your boss said that you needed to give him a blowjob you would have to do it because your boss is in a position of authority over you and he could fire you. Much like you need to do whatever your boss says, kids have to do whatever adults say. So if an adult asks a kid to have sex, it's force for that reason. All adults are in a position of power over all children.


 No.21662

>>21661

Not comparable, age is not an authoritative position that make someone obey you. Non-forced sex is not rape, period. When it is forced it is labeled an charged as such, when not it is labeled differently to make it still a crime.


 No.21663

This shit doesn't just apply to underage sex either, not with people saying that even sex for which consent was given under the influence is also considered rape.

It does bother me how such a strong word gets put under increasingly loose definitions.

>>21661

That's assuming a lot about the relationship between the child and the adult in question.

Children are perfectly capable of understanding that of they don't want something they can voice their disapproval and, provided it's something they can reasonably refuse, the adult will stop.


 No.21664

>>21663

Because using a word with such a strong stigma helps get support for enforcing it where ever they please.


 No.21665

>>21663

It's simple, just replace sex with signing a contract.

A contract signed while drunk isn't legally binding.

A contract signed while underage isn't legally binding.

If you couldn't consent to a contract, you can't consent to sex and it's rape.


 No.21666

>>21665

That is the logic of the SJWs and feminists who came up with statutory rape. Not forced, still not literal rape.


 No.21667

>>21666

Statutory rape was created by conservatives who wanted to reduce teenage pregnancy, but go ahead and blame everything on progressives.


 No.21668

>>21665

But, in the event that the contract was not legally binding due to the circumstances of the person who signed it, would it be fair to then label the person who wrote the contract a fraudster? Even if they were unaware of said circumstances?


 No.21669

>>21667

Yeah, no. Since when it comes to teen pregnancy far more often then not the other part is the same age or barely younger or older. It also will not change anything since the charge comes after the sex, too late to now.


 No.21670

>>21668

Definitely. The thing is that fraud is generally a civil offense and not a criminal one so it's not as serious as rape. What would happen is the guy would have to give the money back.


 No.21672

>>21661

Your example actually disproves your argument: If your boss said you needed to give him a BJ or be fired, and you did, you could not then criminally charge him with rape though, because it's not rape. You could sue him for sexual harrassment.

"Statuatory" means "according to the statute"… Statutory rape means it's rape according to the statute, not that it's actually rape. It means that they cannot legally consent, which is a far cry from saying they cannot ACTUALLY consent.

>>21665

Minors can actually consent to a contract, just that it's voidable if the minor chooses to. Which is almost how it is in sex: if the minor decides your sexual relationship screwed him/her over, they can cry statuatory rape, but if the deal worked out well for both parties, there's really no need to do anything about it.

That's almost an ideal solution in my book: if you have a relationship with a minor, they can, at any time even after adulthood (maybe subject to a reasonable statute of limitations), decide "no, I may have gone along with it at the time, but now I'm saying it was rape." So it encourages people to NOT fuck them over, play with their hearts, etc.

And I'm even okay with statuatory rape laws as they are, but don't go saying it's the same thing as rape, because it's fucking different. It's against the law because on average it's harmful, whereas actual rape is harmful every single time.

Your contract example was kind of an interesting approach to the argument, but, the thing is, this whole 'statuatory rape is rape because minors can't consent' idea rests on the unspoken idea that sex is some special thing that operates under different rules from everything else. Because let's look at some other examples of this idea that children can't consent, because adults are in a position of power: If I offer a child an ice cream, can they consent to that? Is it fair to say that if they say yes and I give it to them, that it's exactly the same as forcing the ice cream into their mouth at gunpoint even if they don't want it? That's what you believe about statuatory rape, what's the difference? If a parent asks if a child wants to be an actress, can they consent to that? Even though it might fuck them up later? What about if a parent wants them to go to church? Isn't that the same as mind-raping them, even if they happily go along? Why don't we charge people for THAT?

The ONLY thing we really apply this "children can't consent" rule to is sex. And again, legally speaking, there's a reasonable reason to do this, but let's not confuse the utilitarian argument for a moral equivalency.


 No.21676

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>>19889

>UAB

There's nothing quite like it when we're talking pure VN. For me, the closest are decensored sandbox dating sims with loli mods (artificial girl, artificial academy..) where some drama can be re-enacted. While more varied, it still lacks the story depth of UAB…

>>20060

If you try to replay more branches (esp with henrike & feminist hag), you'll notice Bernd points out theres something seriously wrong when henrike digs that TRP stuff too much and she's outwardly masochist, also mentions he only exaggerated to troll the hag etc etc

All in all, TRP character is the only one path you choose (ie the most straightforward hardline pedo route). It's the decisions you make, not like the whole game is all like that.

You can complete the loli quest without much less kc-tier character if you want to (in fact, the game is then longer and more interesting). UAB has pretty decent replay value.


 No.21710

>because it's not rape. You could sue him for sexual harrassment.

Or have him arrested for felony coercion and rape, I don't see why you think you couldn't.

>"Statuatory" means "according to the statute"… Statutory rape means it's rape according to the statute, not that it's actually rape.

Here is the definition of rape according to the FBI.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/recent-program-updates/new-rape-definition-frequently-asked-questions

>11A Rape (except Statutory Rape)

The carnal knowledge of a person, without the

consent of the victim, including instances

where the victim is incapable of giving consent because of his/her age or because of

his/her temporary or permanent mental or physical incapacity

So actually sex with a child (under 13) isn't considered statutory rape at all, it's just normal rape. Apparently statutory rape is limited to teenagers and people capable of giving consent, but not old enough legally have sex, did not know that.

>If the victim was incapable of giving consent because of his/her youth or mental impairment, either temporary or permanent, law enforcement should classify the offense as Rape, not Statutory Rape


 No.21711

>>21676

But how do you get loli power unless you rape loli?


 No.21712

>>21711

(hover only if you want to have the game spoiled, you've been warned).

The lolis mostly rape you when you play the reluctant moralfag mid-way route. There are dialogs like "well, im not really a pedo, but need some loli power" sense. Important is to start AFTER Emily coaxes you into it, until then you must be moralfag (and play the oblivious BKA faggot etc).

Needless to say you won't have as much loli power to fight ursula, but there are interesting endings when you lose like that for example, demons let you live because you were "not really a pedo", and if you win, you reluctantly agree tat babyfugg is a-ok


 No.21716

>>21710

>Or have him arrested for felony coercion and rape, I don't see why you think you couldn't.

Do you have any examples where this was done? I can't find any. Maybe you're right, but I haven't heard of any cases, and when I googled, I couldn't find any, so I'm a little doubtful. And the definition of rape according to the FBI that you pointed to immediately after doesn't seem to allow for that scenario (felony coercion, perhaps, but not rape).

But again, with the FBI thing, you're quoting a legal definition from somebody who has an interest in pushing a specific point of view, which doesn't necessarily mean that sex with a minor actually IS rape, just that it's considered such, and they will treat it that way. The fact that there's a power disparity doesn't necessarily mean it's rape, although it's certainly something to consider. And how far do we want to go? If a naive, dimwitted, but adult and not-legally-impaired girl, is seduced by a skilled manipulator, he's got a significant power advantage over her, so are such instances rape? I say no. What about if a poor girl has sex with a rich guy in the hopes he might marry and take care of her? He's certainly taking advantage of her if he's just out for sex. Let's call that rape, too!

To me, it makes more sense, in common usage, to say that rape is when you force or threaten somebody into sex they don't want to have. I'll even concede blowjobs-for-the-boss under that definition since they're threatened with firing. When you have sex with somebody who wants it, it's not actual rape, even if, due to circumstance, it might still be evil, a crime, or legally considered rape because you can't prove they did want it or didn't feel threatened.

Any other approach just makes the issue impossible to talk about, and a tautology: you discuss if it's actually possible for minors to consent if you start with the premise that they can't.

Look at it another way. There's a concept called Felony murder, where if, in the commission of a felony, somebody dies, even if you didn't kill them, you, legally, get accused of murder. In some cases, this has included situations where a nervous security guard pulls a gun and fires at the robbers, and shoots somebody else, even if the robbers were unarmed (sometimes they've even charged the surviving robbers under this because ONE OF THE ROBBERS got shot and killed by the cops). In such a case, legally, they might well be guilty of murder. And it might well be fair to say they're responsible for that man's death. But in my book, it's insane to say, other than from a perspective of strictly what the legal charges say, that they murdered the man. To use that legal definition in a common discussion reduces the term murder to meaninglessness.

Or, imagine lawmakers get together and decide that any murder of a member of the military, regardless of the reason, is legally defined as terrorism. It's within their rights to do that, it's even potentially plausible. Now, maybe a jilted lover kills their military ex. Or maybe a robbery gone bad, and the guy didn't even know the person he killed was a member of the military. Maybe it was self-defense, and the law didn't cover that, as a loophole. Do we now say they're a terrorist? I hope not. We might say he was charged with terrorism, or under the law is guilty of terrorism, but I'd hope we'd also say, "It's bullshit, though, it was just self-defense."


 No.21717

>>21712

It doesn't count if you call "no pedo" :L


 No.22256

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>All this shit about feminists, SJWs and statutory rape

Ok, we get it, some people don't get that feminists and sjws are dishonest cunts that hate things and all that talk about helping womyn is a smokescreen to push their agenda to fuck over whoever they want to fuck over at the moment.

Now as for VNs, anything from Tanuki Soft would do. Their older work at Rune is harder to find and the one I had crashes halfway through. Mei Shoujo and Tonari no Puu-san are my favorite of the bunch.


 No.22258

>>22256

None of which are in English.


 No.22271

Kodomo Milk Parfait.

One of the lolis is Yuko Goto


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 No.32490

>>19889

Kouen Itazura Simulator Mako. Completely animated and interactive.

Shuki Shuki Daishuki.

Or simply look at VNDB as it has a "All loli heroines" tag.

https://vndb.org/g1396?fil=tag_inc-1396.tagspoil-0;m=0;o=d;s=pop




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