/loli/ - Lolis

>>24811

ye dude, i love 4 yr old loli cunny

i like all these people talking about censorship when there were literally censor free communities already on the same website. hell, /r/lolicons actually fills a niche for people who don't want to see any 'hardcore' content. OP might be a fag because he claims some moral superiority over liking his cartoon CP one way over another, but bitching at him for the fact that he created a community with rules is pretty dumb.

>>24813

I never said I was better than anybody who enjoys a separate fetish than me, they're free to enjoy it as much as they like, just not in my community.

As you said, there are other communities on Reddit already dedicated to being censor-free, they're absolutely free to post over there.

i guess it is a general problem that everyone keeps equalling loli/pedophilia and violence.

what in the god fucking hell is supposed to make it impossible to have a positive, non-harmful sexual relationship with an underage girl? guys like the /r/lolicon one might be limiting freedom of speech, but by doing so, they prevent further reinforcement of mainstream associations between loli/pedophilia and violence, which are, supposedly, the very reason for the persecution we are facing. therefore you should be grateful that there are people out there, who promote less negative and threatening impressions of loli/pedophilia to the general public.

as to me always referring to pedophilia as well, yep, i think it applies there as well, shame seeing how even that similar oppressed minorities still hate on regular, non-violent pedophilia. hoping the us pulling a galilei on this study won't throw you off

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

>>24857

>what in the god fucking hell is supposed to make it impossible to have a positive, non-harmful sexual relationship with an underage girl?

Right now? The fact that society will convince them that they suffered horrible trauma, regardless of how non-traumatic it was at the time. Simply having memories of such an encounter is dangerous in our current society. You'd be playing Russian roulette with a child's future. You don't give a kid a loaded gun to play with just because they asked for it.

Throwing loli under the bus in the hopes that people will let you fuck their kids is utterly fucking retarded.

>>24879

Not him but then that is not the fault of the party who had a consensual relationship with the child. That's purely the fault of the "rescuers" and society forcing harm into their minds.

It shouldnt matter what content is drawn, art should be a restriction free medium. I'd argue for it whether its lolis or anything else. We are overtly sensitive assholes in society, sticking our nose in everything, potraying a fondness of art as a bad thing is what led to your thinking that those people are more likely to be pedos. Go back to leddit, you dont have a place here.

>>24889

That's like pushing someone in front of a speeding car and saying that it's entirely the fault of the driver for speeding, or calling a SWAT raid on someone's house and then acting innocent when their kid ends up dead.

If you know a certain action may result in harm to a child, you are ethically obligated to avoid doing it, regardless of who's "fault" it may technically be.

>>24897

Not even close to a comparable analogy. You are taking about murder/attempted murder. Not consensual love. Putting you child in a car and driving them to school "may harm them" you does that mean you should never put a child in a car? And again, it is the would be self righteous "rescuers" that cause the harm but forcing the mentality of "you are and must be a damaged victim because we say so".

>>24901

>Putting you child in a car and driving them to school "may harm them" you does that mean you should never put a child in a car?

Not even close to a comparable analogy.

>it is the would be self righteous "rescuers" that cause the harm

So you do agree that there is a more than 1-in-a-million chance of harm being caused. Could you prevent that chance? Yes. Therefore you should fucking prevent it. Nothing more needs to be considered in the situation. Assign blame after you've ensured that no harm will come to a child, not as a way to let you disregard the child's safety.

I'm not saying that it isn't almost entirely the fault of society that the child ends up harmed, at least in the consensual cases. I'm saying that if there is a way for you to prevent that harm from occurring, you are obligated to do so. Don't drag children into your war, however righteous you believe your cause to be. You know exactly what happens to many of them when you do.

>>24914

It wasn't an analogy, so keep up. It was an example of your "If you know a certain action may result in harm to a child, you are ethically obligated to avoid doing it, regardless of who's "fault" it may technically be", you putting a child in a car may result in the child being injured via accident, even if it's the "fault" of another diver as you put it. The chances of being in a car accident is less than 1 in a million and you have no problem with that. This is just to show how much of a fallacy the logic you're using is. You can stop trying to twist it around, in the end the vast majority of "bictim' as purposely manufactured by these pretend moralists.

>>24916

So it is completely acceptable to do something which you know would result in harm, as long as you can blame someone else?

Would you be totally happy about someone reporting you for child abuse, because it's not them who are actually causing the harm? I mean, in a perfect society you wouldn't suffer as a result of them informing the authorities, so any suffering can't be their fault.

>>24916

Actually, let's just get to the core of this.

There is a room with a child in it, an observation window, and a button labelled "warning: pressing this button will kill the child". It's okay to press the button because the person who put the child in the automated-killing-room was ultimately to blame for their death. In an ideal world the button wouldn't do anything, so anyone has the right to press the button.

>>24917

No, don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing even remotely close to that. Also your example would be something to ask the fake rescuers, they are pounding trauma into their minds.

>>24918

Your hypothetical still does not apply here and are still, wrongly, trying to comparing purposeful harm with a consensual relationship. You are just going in circles saying nothing. Harm is the exception, caused by third parties, not the rule in consensual cases.

>>24893

That would more apply if he was calling for a ban on rape porn and the like. Which he isn't. I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to not like certain things and thusly don't want to see them.

Obviously banning a form of art in it's entirety is absurd but nobody here is calling for that.

>>24925

It doesn't really matter who causes the harm. What matters is that you can prevent it.

Even if it is the exception rather than the rule, you're still gambling with a child's life. It would have to be a very rare exception to be justified, and I don't think you really know how common or rare it is. That kind of data is obviously very hard to accurately gather in this world.

>>24943

Which, as I said, is an argument base on pure fallacy. The logic you're using makes no sense and is worded in a way to place full blame on one not responsible. It's easy to find the "data" aka reports on cases involving children having sex with adults, the vast majority say they liked it, they enjoyed it. But then it is forced into their heads that "No, you're a victim, they hurt you. Now be a harmed, damaged victim".

>>21912

Source?

Hey, thoughts on your ban and ban on other subs today?

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3fx2au/content_policy_update/

>>24952

Molestation victim here, the harassment I got from family, police, and social workers was much more stressful to me than the fact that I got molested. Anywhere I went for support later in life was rutted with apologists making excuses like "ids a defense mekunism" and other such faggotry.

They were just as abusive as the molester. If not moreso.

>>24979

Don't really care haha. It's just a subreddit, me and my friends can still trade Gelbooru stuff on IRC.

Sorry your subreddit got fucked. I was really sad to see it gone today. Have you started another subreddit yet?

>>24980

Make or female?How old were you? What happened? Just curious.

>>24986

Male, 6, and the neighbor. Don't really remember too much of it. All I remember is people acting like I got my legs blown off.

>>24988

Yeah, I can totally see that happening. My sister killed herself and I just hated everyone around me telling me how sad I should be and feeling pressured into publicly showing my grief. Yeah, I'm fucking devastated, but I dont want to sit around so we can all show each other how upset we are, like one big fucking grief circlejerk. "Its just a defense mechanism, you're in shock, it'll hit you later, maybe in a month, maybe in a year, maybe in a decade". No, I feel like shit now. I just dont feel like proving it to you.

/rant

>>24985

No point, with the new policy update all "animated CP" as spez put it (what an idiot), is banned.

You could do one on Voat if there's not one already.

>reddit bans drawn cp

>inb4 some blind faggots going "It's nothing! Purely coincidental! A-as long as we have the deep web nothing will change!"

Ah… the diarrhea of a deluded person's mind.

>>24994

reddit has been teetering on the edge of doing this for years, I don't think it surprised anyone in this community whether they thought loli was doomed or not

>>24994

>drawn cp

Nothing you say has any validity for being a retard. You are trying to spread fear over a site taken over by SJWs long ago.

>>24999

They said textually "animated cp"

The motherfuckers actually believe that.

PROTECT THE PIXELS

how does it feel now that your sub is actually banned?

>>25010

I believe it, its the buzz word all the SJWs use. They use it to attach a stigma to it.

I think it's actually time to take a stand.

>>25023

People are too damn afraid too.

Whenever a site or such bans loli/shota there are always the idiots who say "who cares there are still x, y, and z sites that have it"

When there are fucks like Germany, Russia, and the UK parading around forcing their morality/view/beliefs on other sites and countries the situation will only get worse from here.

Especially Germany. Fuck Germany. They've been responsible for a lot of the bannings and blocks recently.

>>25026

where are the people getting mad? there's only so many fucks i could give since i've never used reddit and it seems like a lost cause, but when things like this happen, like with paheal, i don't see very many people actually speaking out about it.

>>25027

It's all scapegoating pedos to justify authoritarian policies, JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

It doesn't just affect the pedos, it's just a first step. Everyone with half a brain that is informed realizes this.

It stops here.

>>25027

The loss of /r/lolicons and /r/pomf content-wise is unimportant since both were very slow and anything you could find on there you could already find else where.

But on the bigger picture it's just another hit against loli/shota and people forcing their views on everyone else

paheal, foundry, sankaku(when the ban was in plcae), reddit, ect. just another nail in the coffin

>>25025

loli is legal in germany m8.

If anything its one of those fucking unofficial child protection organizations who hold zero real world power and its the websites fault if they cave in to bullshit like that

>>24952

>The logic you're using makes no sense and is worded in a way to place full blame on one not responsible.

No. Let me be very clear. The blame lies entirely with society, the police, and social workers. However, just because it is their fault, does not mean you shouldn't do what you can to stop them from causing that harm. One of the best ways to stop them is to avoid getting the child involved in the situation in the first place.

I'm giving practical advice to prevent harm from occurring. It's no different to telling a girl not to walk down a dark alley at night wearing a very short skirt and no panties. It wouldn't be her fault if she got raped by a tentacle monster, but she could prevent it.

I'm on your side in this, but if you love the child you won't risk them going through what >>24980 went through. Fix society first, then have your fun.

>>25047

Which is nonsensical logic. You are still trying to shift blame at any cost to the person who did not inflicted the harm. In your analogy and using your logic you would blame the girl, because she put her self in the situation.

>>25067

You seem absolutely determined to ignore reality and pretend that the world is just like your ideal fantasy of it. You refuse to acknowledge the existence of bad things when making decisions, at least when they only pose a danger to others. You think that just because your actions wouldn't result in harm in an ideal world, that makes them universally correct actions which will always be good regardless of what reality is like.

I don't give a fuck who you want to "blame". Blame the fucking gods if you like. What matters is that given a choice, you should choose the path which doesn't end with a child suffering at anyone's hands.

I cannot possibly make this any clearer, and if you still don't understand you should stop letting your genitalia do your thinking for you. Right now you seem like a classic example of an uncaring pedophile who just wants to get his fix regardless of the consequences. If you want to fix our image in the public eye, don't ban violent loli porn; Develop a sense of empathy instead.

I'm done with this fucking stupid argument.

>>25073

You have that backwards. You are the determined to ignore reality and blame the wrong side. You using poor logic will never be clear, "the people causing harm aren't to blame, the person I decide is". Not at all an "uncaring pedophile" you just seem like a retarded SJW preaching BS about consensual love is damaging even though it causes no harm until a third party comes in and shove the harm into their minds. You keep using analogies that don't fit, circular arguments and keep putting words in my mouth and then attack said words with based on fallacies.

>>24995

3 years of teetering, though?

I want to know what was the breaking point for them. Who and what pushed them to act.

>>25197

as far as I can tell the only reason it wasn't killed before was that it hadn't attracted the attention of anyone the reddit staff wanted to appease.

chances are an advertiser was fed a list of 'objectionable' subs and then that was fed back to the admins, whether that was the result of some SJW hidden hand, who knows

>>24991

Well you didn't have to love or care about your sister. I bet she was a rentless bitch anyway. Good riddance.

>>25078

Consensual love? I thought this was a place for loli porn not a place where dudes are fucking girls. Anyway ask any pedophile who has been to jail…..it ain't worth it in the US. But I can see you already been fucking girls so hopefully you are in a place where you could fuck em good and legal.

>>25211

Careful with that edge. No one was talking about jail. So either keep up or don't talk, it makes you look stupid when you don't know the topic.

>>25220

This is 8ch.net not some intellictual talk show. I don't need to keep up with shit. Nothing here is that important. Jail is very real and in certain places this shit is considered cp .Also why the fuck are people use the term edgy? This is 8ch. I'm not posting cp or snuff content. I'm far from edgy.

>>25238

You being edgy about a person committing suicide. Also you are still talking off topic about what was being discussed. Why come into the discussion about something we aren't talking about? This is only "CP" in shitty countries ran by the thought police, lines on a paere will never be CP.

>wahh this fag won't let me toast ebin abuse on his personal plebbit uh bloo bloo

so make your own you edgy retards.

I understand that we all want to fuck 8 year olds but that doesn't mean you have to act like one too.