/loli/ - Lolis

It keeps going down the drain , It seems I'm not missin ganything since the first purge.

>>23255

He should pull an exhentai and put the loli on a same but separate site. That way countries that don't allow loli will still get all other content and those that do get all the content plus loli.

How hard is it to set up a good porn directory?

I've seen so many fail and want to set one up that allows anything

>>23270

That would be the sensible thing to do.

He could also just set up a free VPN or proxy service which allowed people to access the site. These authoritarian governments rarely have the technical competence to block even the obvious ways of circumventing their blocks.

Reposted from other board

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Past few months, it seems that internet is finally clamping down on this degenerate cancer. Maybe one day, the whole internet will be free of all degeneracy, safe and harmonious for children.

ITT, let us commemorate this positive development by posting recent chilling effect habbenings on various porn sites. The ones I've spotted so far in 2015:

- Dragon dildos:

The landscape of online pornography is rapidly changing. More and more I am getting notices from Government agencies informing me that Paheal is going to be IP blocked countrywide due to some of the content contained on this site. Some of these countries are of little consequence, but others constitute a massive chunk of our userbase. Usually when I get these notices its for a specific image that was reported to said agency. But a few days ago I got a number of notices from a number of countries citing large blocks of images. Soon enough it is going to become a crystal clear decision… remove cited material or risk the site being IP blocked. This is not a maybe or an if, this is a consequence of Governments around the world pushing things through like This, this and this

Site operators will soon have zero control anymore. If they cant get an adminsitrator to remove the content they want gone, then they will blacklist the site and prevent its citizens access at the ISP level. This is the world we live in today. Hentai Foundry fell prey to this and caved in a big big way. Bigger than we ever did.

- Hentai foundry:

It is with a heavy heart that I must announce, effective immediately, all art and story submissions featuring characters that are (or appear to be) underage will be removed from Hentai-Foundry. In addition, future submissions containing such content to be against our Terms of Service and will be met with rejection and deletion. This policy change also results in the removal of the Lolicon and Shotacon content labels and all submissions tagged with them. You will continue to be able to view your own submissions for a short time to allow people to backup their own content (but you should already have your own backups anyway).

- Empornium (!):

Lolicon is the depiction of underage characters in animated Japanese pornography, as such it is specifically banned. This tag will shortly be purged from our database and all torrents marked with this tag will be rechecked by staff to ensure that no true lolicon has been uploaded to Empornium.

Please refrain from using this tag in the future.

Regards,

Empornium Administration.

>>23276

>Maybe one day, the whole internet will be free of all degeneracy, safe and harmonious for children.

I wonder who's behind this post…

>>23278

>give me the tag number and maybe I can do something

how about the sad panda option?

>>23287

Closed to new lurkers. At least I don't know anyone who got working cookie in 2015.

>>23278

He said he doesn't want to host it because of the threats of blocks by some countries. The exhentai route fixes that.

>>23292

The worst problem with paheal is its shitty search engine and lack of useful tags.

>>23291

Be advised, though, that exhentai itself has been attacked by EU governments at least twice since I started keeping records, most notably Germany. Also, the reason why exhentai works is because it's partially hosted by the userbase themselves through hentai at home. Paheal doesn't have such a p2p load balancer, so he'd have to pay for hosting all the art without being able to offset the costs in any way.

Paheal showed their true colors some years back when they first announced that they're getting rid of underage art. Nobody wants to host loli to defend people's artistic freedom unless they can easily afford it, like EHentai or Sankaku, and nobody has come up with a public exhentai clone hosted by private people themselves.

Something else to note is that the guy who owns paheal's servers also owns other sites that are currently still allowing loli/shota but aren't centered around it: e621 and f-list. How long until those sites going to follow suit of every other big western hentai portal?

We need a solution. Hiding in Japan can't be one, since they themselves are in danger of loosing their freedom to draw children fucking soon.

>>23276

post the source

>>23295

Those are just centralized boorus running on rented servers, are they not? We need to be able to eliminate as many angles of attacks for governments and companies as possible, and if there is no host to complain about its a hell of a lot harder to get shit taken down. See tor.

>>23297

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.

>>23294

>Be advised, though, that exhentai itself has been attacked by EU governments at least twice since I started keeping records, most notably Germany.

Source on this?

>>23294

>>23294

Ex, yes, it has loli, but not e-hentai which has everything but loli. Which is what I said, have one site with and one with out loli like exhentai did.

>>23297

The problem is trust. A peer-to-peer booru would be easy to make if all the users were honest in their tagging, serving of images, and forwarding of messages. A single dishonest node could make the entire network unusable though. We need to do some research and find a way to guarantee that the majority opinion on an image always gets reflected in searches. I'm sure some computer scientist or mathematician has already solved the problem in theory - we just have to find the solution and implement it.

We still have rule34hentai, lolibooru, and Sankaku Channel.

but tbh there really needs to be a protest against the government. The anti lolicon and shotacon bullshit really needs to stop now. I don't want this to continue any longer.

>>23299

>source

Well, that was back in 09 and 11, so I don't have the pm logs anymore, so I can only tell you what the admin of hentaipalm and some ehentai mod have told me in private pms(I was lucky ehentai didn't ban me for mentioning ex on their forums and just deleted the message.) From what I remember and understand, Germany has an unofficial but government sponsored and approved private child protection agency that monitors all media for violations of German law, or their interpretation of it. They are extremely agressive in that they go out and try to pressure hosts and site owners into removing what they believe is illegal to view for German users(or alternatively ban German users from accessing it). That's what exhentai did in '11 for about two weeks or so. First loli/shota, beast and incest were banned form exhentai, not even showing up anymore, then only for German users. I remember 4chan and KC having threads about German users not being able to access Ex at all until two weeks later the ban was mysteriously and nothing was lost. I tried asking on Ehentai on behalf of a friend, and got a pretty rude answer from one of their mods not to mention ex on their forums, and that "Germany is trying to play nazi again". Same thing with hentaipalm in 09 by the way. The latest incident involving Germany being partly responsible for loli bans is HF. A couple of days before the purge, German users reported being unable to access HF, and on the forums there was a thread in which the admin described how the site was in danger of loosing underage art because the mother of a user(probably got surprised, dunno) in Germany reported the site for hosting cp to their private CPS/media rating agency. Couple of days later shit hit the fan, but in his official post about the removal, the admin was so vague people got the impression it was yet another SJW on a powertrip.

I may be able to dig up a quote from the admin of the booru project, who specifically mentioned Germany in his post about the underage art ban(yeah, they banned it too).

>>23300

The difference is ehentai can offload the hosting costs onto its users while paheal can't. That's a big difference.

>>23301

I'd be more in favor of a artist controlled environment, where artists can host galleries and tag their own shit. The reason paheal removed specific tags is because there were always tagging wars about the gender of certain characters that were officially asexual, or people tagging futa art as gay, etc. If the artists themselves could tag their shit(or allow someone to do it for them) it won't fall pray to the drawbacks of democratic voting and the "tyranny of the majority".

>>23304

Yes it can. If were the case they wouldn't be able with the site now.

>>23305

Don't you understand the impact user hosting has on ehentai? Paheal can't save tens of thousands of dollars by letting users host their content, so there wouldn't be enough money to keep an "ex" paheal alive.

>>23299

>source on this

Found the comment of the booru admin

http://blog.booru.org/?p=119#comment-617

>I got more information out this when i moved to enom, the same organization send an complain there but enom actually provided me with information after asking. The organization who kept harassing my domain providers was actually a german child-protection one. Apparently lolicon is illegal there and they think that the world evolves around german law. Instead of actually helping children, money that is donated by several company’s and the EU is wasted on nonsense such as trying to protect pixels.

>>23296

http://krautchan.net/int/thread-29789595.html

if thread is 404 then

http://krautkanal.com/int/29789595

so basically its not really the US that is cracking down on this stuff, right? Its mainly Euro nanny states that are threatening sites that feature loli drawings. I think that is why you have seen so many of them buckling over the last few years. Its a shame that these authoritarian, moralizing fucks are telling people all around the world what they can or cant draw.

The funny thing is though, with Rule 34 there is still tons of loli stuff on there and I dont think they are ever going to remove it all. I mean look at the stuff when you search for splatoon.

It is such a futile battle that these anti-lolicons are waging against us. they will never win. We will always have somewhere else to post and share our stuff. These fascists think they can monitor and censor the internet, but none will ever be successful.

>>23306

There's enough money now to keep it alive. Two sites mean double the ads and double the ad revenue. Ex relies on client hosting and shilling for money.

Block the fucking russians and let them use proxies/vpn, what's the big fucking deal?

the e-hentia , exhentai solution is a possible one. keep the loli, nn, zoo stuff to a separate dupe site thats practically hidden. the main site won't go down as the stuff they are offended by isnt there and it can ip linked or moved around if they target that independently.

>>23317

A tor loli site, explicitly banning CP, "make application post to get acces" system to prevent spammers.

Could work.

Loli is legal is spain. Make website in spain, tell people to learn2proxy?

>>23310

Wait 20 years for pedo acceptance. Noone will bat an eye about lolicons then

>>23315

Replace the two furries with two other lolis/underage characters and this will paint an accurate picture. Damn furries are resistant to porn-armageddons.

>>23304

>I'd be more in favor of a artist controlled environment, where artists can host galleries and tag their own shit. The reason paheal removed specific tags is because there were always tagging wars about the gender of certain characters that were officially asexual, or people tagging futa art as gay, etc. If the artists themselves could tag their shit(or allow someone to do it for them) it won't fall pray to the drawbacks of democratic voting and the "tyranny of the majority".

The problem with that is that I could claim to be the "artist" of a large quantity of scat porn and insist that it should be tagged as "cute, loli".

>>23339

Index/hosting sites are all about moderation, you need to filter out 99% which is just spam, mistags and retards. For that you need motivated mods - and usually money to keep em aboard.

Thats why dragon dildos and foundry are more or less organized, and booru is just dumping ground.

Mere hosting is fairly trivial to technically implement nowadays (minus finding willing hosts, or just use torrents). Workable moderation logistics are another story.

>>23276

>>23323

>>23317

so does this mean we'll have to start sharing deepweb sites with 3D kiddy fuckers just to look at some drawings? fucking hell I seriously want off this ride.

>>23322

Thing is no one wants to be responsible for sites allowing loli anymore, cause people have become complacent with existing sites and don't want to risk getting in trouble over it.

It's been said in another thread that what we need isn't a place to dump lolis that is safe, but a spot for artists who want to draw and publicize their works, loli or not. Many non exclusive loli artists have stopped and will stop drawing them because they don't want to join sites focused around underage art and be called pedo for it. Bless lolicit and their members, but with 50% of its userbase being self identifying pedophiles it's quite obvious why they won't get many generic hentai artists join their ranks.

It's not just about hosting but community reputation. Most artists want to join a site to draw hentai, including loli, but they don't want to be called out for it. Paheal was the last generic hentai site in the west that allowed artists to share their works and interact with people in the comment section. Exhentai won't keep them drawing loli, and neither will boorus. They're already hesitant to join pixiv, and when that site goes - well, it won't matter anymore.

>>23339

Then you can blacklist that artist. Honestly, at this point the concern shouldn't be how to tag shit but how to give artists a new home without turning that site into pedocentral 2.0.

>>23351

My guess is that as time goes on the amount of artists drawing loli will shrink to a tiny number as the hoops they have to go through and risks they have to take will decimate their motivation to create those works, so for those few people that keep drawing I don't think it would matter much if their pics would end up on actual cp sites on tor next to some pthc raygold whateverthefuck it is called nowadays.

>>23310

>We will always have somewhere else to post and share our stuff.

You can't be further from the truth. This is such a selfish and narrowminded attitude and I'm honestly surprised peope are still saying that after all that has happened in the last couple of years.

Sharing existing loli content isn't the fucking issue, and it's not what keeps the community alive. It's artists drawing new stuff and people coming together to create and enjoy new content. All the efforts in the past years to suffocate loli have been successful in a sense that the number of artists drawing underage art has dropped to a fraction, and for the most part only the hardcore loli exclusive artists still bother with finding a place to post, because it's all they do. But they can't keep the community alive alone.

If they can deter and discourage 90 out of 100 artists that used to draw loli every couple of years, which is what is happening right now, they've practically won.

>>23322

Then they should just proxy now, loli is already hosted in countries where it's legal. People are dumb and most don't know how to proxy.

>>23353

Pixiv is still up and allows loli. For western artists wwoec is still up and allows loli. And both of those sites are older than five years, yet were unaffected by whatever you are talking about.

>>23353

>Sharing existing loli content isn't the fucking issue, and it's not what keeps the community alive. It's artists drawing new stuff and people coming together to create and enjoy new content.

If that's the case, then obviously paheal doesn't have anything to offer the artists that any other site can't. If paheal has now caved in to the pressure to classify fantasy art of fictional characters as "Child Pornography", what motivation do artists have to stick around. I imagine the whole rule34 genre will dry up almost immediately.

>>23435

Paheal was public and a focal point of the hentai community. It didn't discriminate(up until a few years ago) between acceptable and unacceptable art, so hentai artists were content with occasionally drawing and posting loli there. Of course HF was a lot better, but that's gone now, too. Boorus don't don't have the visual appeal that invites artists to use it as gallery. It's simplistic. There's was a subtle difference between paheal and boorus, and I'm too hungry at the moment to explain to you in detail how the visual design of a site can make it appeal to certain people or others.

>>23433

Cause they aren't big enough, simple as that. Pixiv additionally has had a lot less western users(and with that potential of being reported to western governments) in the past, but as loli fans and artists are herded to fewer and fewer sites, those will eventually reach enough popularity with western audiences to risk them being taken down. The more loli submitted per day and the more western users gravitating towards a site the higher the risk for a takedown/ban. Of course, pixiv will most likely go the way of the dodo by 2020 anyway, so we've at most only borrowed a couple of years.

>>23439

> Pixiv additionally has had a lot less western users(and with that potential of being reported to western governments) in the past, but as loli fans and artists are herded to fewer and fewer sites, those will eventually reach enough popularity with western audiences to risk them being taken down. The more loli submitted per day and the more western users gravitating towards a site the higher the risk for a takedown/ban. Of course, pixiv will most likely go the way of the dodo by 2020 anyway, so we've at most only borrowed a couple of years.

Pixiv is hosted and base in Japan, fucktard. What are you on about.

I think this is a sign that I just need to, with a heavy heart, drop loli.

>>23462

I suggest you take up the cuckold fetish, since you're obviously the type.

>>23464

There's no point, anon. The loli fanbase is way too pussy to do anything, look at you all talking about how there's nothing you can do and the future is using TOR etc etc. None of you have the balls to stand up and make a site yourself or try to stop anything. You just sit here and talk like the eradication of freedom of art is inevitable and we need to accept that.

If the future is having to browse actual deepweb CP sites, I want no part of it.

>>23465

1. Fight against feminist and government in order for lolicon/shotacon art to be completely free.

2. Wait for pedophilia to be accepted/legalized and the tension on lolicon/shotacon art to go away.

I don't want to see lolicon being reduced darknet material dammit. So sad that the higher ups common sense are so bad that it has to come to this.

>>23479

Like I said, I blame the communities lack of balls over anything else.

Russia is also responsible for the removal of many twitter accounts posting loli.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q8XT0kLMfNUJ:www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smvivm+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

https://blog.onahole.eu/news/twitter-when-russias-law-becomes-global

>>23447

>Japan

Listen, you fucktard. Hosting loli in a country in which it is legal isn't going to protect it anymore as long as other countries make use of their power to pressure the host into either banning their country or banning the content. And guess what, if faced with a choice, pixiv WILL ban pixiv for everyone but Japanese users like so many other Japanese sites did to avoid issues with outsiders. And guess where western loli artists are going then? Right, no fucking where.

>>23517

Always the same retard with his doom and gloom going between threads screaming "all is lost". You have no idea what you're talking about, you should really stop.

It's a war of attrition, one way or the other. If we lose a spot, we build a new one, or several new ones, crowdfund some third-world site into hosting us for a song, find distributed decentralized sites, and if we can't do any of that, we infest sites like tumblr with more and more frequency and even though they might be temporary, we keep doing it, and forcing them to ban us each time and expend so much time banning us that they start to wonder if maybe it might not be a good idea that we actually have freedom so EVERYONE gets their own little space, not just the perverts, the people who want to be free from perverts as well. We force them to keep pushing, and in their pushing, the only options are to leave us our space, or get more and more ridiculous in banning it. If they ban loli, we force them to ban linking loli and talking about it and banning anything related to it. We produce offensive art on the margins and flood the sites with them to force a crisis. We do not accept the premise that it's better that they ban loli than all hentai: it's better that they ban all hentai because it will be that much sooner that the revolt happens. We will force them to define Renaissance pictures of naked baby angels as child porn and brand anyone who wants to look at such a piece perverts. We force them to make porn or sexual stories involving robot characters or other created-as-adult type characters illegal, because their age must be counted from the day they're created, and as such even if they look like adults, they're child porn - to do any less, they are hypocrits and must be in favor of hurting children. If they make stories involving sex with minors illegal, we force them to ban the Bible. We demand it in the name of fairness.

We make the fight as long and drawn out and as uncomfortable for the other side as we can, and if we finally lose in the end, and loli is extinguished from the Earth, we lose knowing we extracted as large amount of time enjoying our freedom as we could have.

But we do not just "give up loli" because it's getting difficult and harder to find.

>>23523

Sorry, but I can't find the best solemn-but-heroic orchestral music to accompany this text. It's like the Churchill's speech of lolicon.

Little help here?

>>23521

And you're probably one of those guys that still insists "lolicon is fine" after the last artists has been discouraged from drawing and the last pic has been deleted.

>>23523

If it's a war of attrition then there's no hope left. People have become complacent and won't fight the pressure coming their way, and the worst thing that could happen to a subgenre is to be isolated from everything else to not offend anyone, or to any genre.

>>23527

I am because it is. It counties to be made in large amounts with no sign of slowing down for years now. I'm a realist not a pessimistic defeatist who thinks everything is already lost and gone when there's no sign of that being even remotely the case.

>>23533

No, you're a deluded idealist, who thinks "someone" will always be there to keep the community alive. Yeah, a few guys on tor sharing 10 year old pics doesn't count as community.

>>23255

That's simple for me, I'm no longer going to this shit site. And I advise everyone to do so. The retard who is hosting the site might notice if all lolicons left en masse his site.

Thanksfully I never really went there since I mainly only use pixiv.

>>23255

Oh my God, the site just goes nuts and are deleting all the sexualized loli …. This is a really aggressive loli ban… I wonder… how much time has left before paheal becomes an HF? or worse…lose the flow of posts?

Anyone know if the mods are getting some pressure?

>>23557

No Loli is already officially enshrined in the rules.

Whether they enforce it is another matter.

>>23559

they…just killed the site

>>23540

No you are the deluded one. Deluded by some notion thinking you are some final warrior fighting for something that isn't going anywhere.

>>23263

Yet shit like this stays: http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1592752#search=Gravity_Falls

They even have refused to remove my pics, I am taking them to rule34hentai, but I want to become DNP on that Nigger lover paheal site.

>>23611

Tell them to remove them or you'll take legal action then. Fuck them.

>>23521

Pretty much the only people who believe all is fine and there's no reason to worry at this point are utterly blind or retarded.

By the way, from what I can tell here a number of high profile Japanese Hentai artists have been banned from twitter as well: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnlab.itmedia.co.jp%2Fnl%2Farticles%2F1507%2F03%2Fnews153.html&edit-text=

>>23646

And just to be clear, all were banned for loli, not hentai.

>>23625

Pretty mush the only people who believe everything is dying and there's every reason to worry are utterly paranoid or retarded.

>>23646

Let me guess, isis tweeter account is still up?

>>23657

Of course it is. I mean come on, posting naked little girls is way more damaging to society than US funded terrorist propaganda.

>>23649

Pretty much the only people who believe the community will survive and adapt are deluded and retarded.

>>23660

>someone this deluded and retarded calling others deluded and retarded

Top lel, m8. I will keep laughing at you retards for the next 10 years as I have the last 20 as you spout your conspiracy theories.

>>23660

>artists get their accounts deleted

>people organizing terrorist operations against multiple nations don't

Holy fuck I despise this world.

>>23523

> We do not accept the premise that it's better that they ban loli than all hentai

See I am of the mind that if loli is to be banned, all hentai should be banned, solely because if I can't enjoy my porn then absolutely no one else should be able to enjoy theirs. But I'm also an incredibly spiteful person

I guess watching something you love be eradicated while other far worse communities are allowed to flourish and turn the internet into their personal hugbox does that to a person.

>>23687

If loli goes all other "questionable" material will follow it, it won't be instantaneous but the grounds on which they can ban such a material allow for the banning of all imagery. It's a matter of freedom, and it always will be.

>>23694

No it won't, because nothing in the world has such a huge stigma attached to it as pedophilia and subsequently any form of cp. If guro, bestiality and incest should follow, it will be quite a bit of time.

>>23695

The only way they can ban it is by equating it to real life, thus forcing fiction to be regarded as reality, and this sets up the fall of all other media because freedom via fiction is the only thing that allows us to consume or create such material.

>>23696

it doesn't work the same way the analogy with violent videogames doesn't work. Your typical gamer who plays GTA doesn't play it because he has phychotic urges, and the games are not set up to explore those and help indulge. Porn? Porn is one-dimensional. In case of lolicon it exist to satiate the fantasy of having sex with children, there is no other reason to consume it.

>>23700

The analogy and function is the exact same, and these pretenses were the ones they almost succeeded with back during the 40's/50's.

>>23702

? Videogame to a gamer is not the same as lolicon to a lolicon, or any type of deviant porn to a deviant for that matter.

>>23703

Yes it is, is it enjoyment from fantasy. He is 100% right where you keep saying "nuh-uh it's different because I say so".

>>23695

Bestiality is just as illegal as CP in many places and a lot of sites have banned it even before loli

Guro has already been heavily chased underground, even more so than loli in many cases, some countries have laws basically banning any sort of "violent porn" as well.

Incest probably won't go anywhere. It's too much of a surface taboo, really, and some forms are fairly accepted. Though didn't fakku recently remove the incest tag? (Pretty ironic when they sell mega milk shirts which is an incest doujin)

>>23703

The only difference is one is sexual and the other isn't but both exist to satiate something you cannot legally experience in reality.

In GTA that would be mass murder and acts of terrorism

>>23707

People are not playing GTA to satiate their desire to mass murder. They're playing it because it's a fun to interact with digital toy. Are you fucking insane? I know it fits the narrative, but porn and other forms of entertainment are really different. You can extract a lot of things from videogames, you can only get one form of satisfaction from porn. People who play GTA don't walk around wanting to shoot up the school or whatever, but people who fap to lolicon (the targeted group of pedo lolicons anyway) want to have sex with children - a dangerous deviancy in the eyes of the society.

>>23709

You are no body to make the baseless assumption of who plays GTA for what reasons. Video games are a platform of self inserting entertainment. They are equal in terms of fantasy world that do not reflect the real world.

>>23709

I played GTA because murdering random people is fucking fun

>>23709

You can only get one kind of satisfaction from porn? That's like saying you can only get one kind of satisfaction from books.

There's plenty of people who like lolicon who don't want to have sex with children, and look at lolicon to fulfil guilty fantasies so they won't feel the need to harm actual humans.

There's people who like lolicon because they were exposed to sex younger than "normal", and their brains grew to prefer the bodily proportions of their peers during that initial exposure.

There's people who fantasize not about fucking little girls, but BEING a little girl, because they like the fantasy of being innocent and weak, or being given a second chance at whatever shit they had to put up with as a kid.

There are sadists, masochists, straights, bisexuals, lesbians, and people who love to explore different kinks, and so on.

If porn only created one reaction in a person, everyone would only need a single piece of porn, and the entire industry would close up shop with a party for a job well done.

>>23317

>has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I had to write it down to see if i could dechipher a meaning out of it.

>>23732

All of the things you described are the same - to help a person fantasize about sexual relationship between a child and an adult

>>23317

Tor IS a form of proxy. You don't USE a proxy; you use an onion browser and exist nodes.

Whoever put that image together is probably a normalfag. Not to mention it is out of date as those moralfaggots anonymouse got Freedom Hosting shut down. So many people have no fucking clue how onion sites work.

>>23732

There's also people who enjoy the dramatic tension of taboo relationships, the story of a girl's first sexual awakening, or a man who thinks of himself as a good person slipping into what society thinks is the greatest sin.

Yes, perhaps there's a sexual aspect to enjoying that as well, but people watch serial killer shows because they find it fascinating and there's probably a sexual component to that thrill, and yet most people don't assume they're freaks and ban the fiction.

You can tell stories of people murdering each other in sadistic ways, but tell a story of people loving each other in an unapproved way and that's forbidden. Society is fucked up.

>>23751

The one big flaw in that argument is that violent media is only deemed socially acceptable if the violence isn't senseless aka. justified. Action heroes have to save their family/city/world, which is what gets them a pass at doing a a lot of brutal stuff, and generally you only see unjustified violence glorified a tiny bit to paint the bad guy in a bad light, and give the viewer and the protagonist the motivation to take revenge on him. Best recent example i Man of Steel.

Society sees loli and to a lesser degree shota as the glorification of unjustified sexual violence against children, whether it's an rather tame image of a girl licking a popsicle or her putting on an ahegao face as she's getting triple penetrated in a gangbang. Combine that with the belief society has that if an image/story has been created to arouse what they think pedos are aroused by, then it must be automatically bad and needs to be destroyed.

If 90% of the videogames out there had the same theme as Hatred and movies… well, I don't have a good example of a movie, you could compare animated child porn to them, at least in the framework society's values. Plus, were living in a time in which everything is getting more PC, and that includes the paradigm that everything you depict automatically means that you endorse it in real life.

I'm not saying society is right, just that the comparison lacks a lot. Is it a narrowminded way to view art, fiction and the exploration of the human mind? Yeah. Does it matter when feminists and angry parents wants to rip your fingernails out because you don't recoil in disgust when an image of your favorite kid's show character doing naughty things is shown to you? Not really.

>>23295

nh is also shit and censors material they dont like. its not an option.

>>23803

I like 2D loli, but i don't see myself as a pedo.

Tough technically nothing wrong with being pedo as long as you don't go and molest or rape someone.

So basically don't be an asshole and think before you do stuff.

>>23776

It's not censor, he just doesn't upload it. And there's only one thing that he doesn't upload, toddlercon. nh is far from the only site that allows loli but not toddler.

>>23803

I got about 20 seconds before I just turned it off to save braincells.

>>23803

I will accept people calling me people the moment they also call be zoophile for liking furry and xenophile for liking tentacles/strange porn. Oh, what's that? You only want label lolicon viewers that way to give the public a free pass at discriminating lolicon fans like pedophiles.

Also, this "as long as you don't act on it" argument is starting to piss me the fuck off. Am I going to assume that anyone who is interested in sex is a potential rapist just because they occasionally get the urge to fap to bog standard average porn? Am I calling everyone fapping to porn of black men taking white chicks a cuck? Fuck no.

>>23815

>people calling me people

People calling me pedo.

>call be zoophile for liking furry

>call ME zoophile for liking furry

God damn what the fuck is wrong with me today.

>>23803

His problem is that he's a normie. He made a point in the video saying "people dismiss my anime as pedoshit", but at the same time he says he likes japanese animation for how unique it is, he is a fan of it. But instead of sticking by the culture, he wants to change it. It's a typical modern attitude of self-entitlement. I would say fuck him, but it's too sad that this is a reality now. He also mentioned how attraction to innocence is natural, but dangerous. Didn't explain why though. Just a typical faggot to be honest.

Also

>pedo self-defense force

If only he knew how lolicons (for some reason) detest pedos

>>23815

OK, you are a xenophile and a zoophile.

>>23849

Well now that you posted that, I can see the difference.

>>23838

Holy shit this guy is literally a thought policer. This will be the guy in 10-20 years in the senate passing a bill to ban this shit.

>>23855

I got the impression that's exactly how it policymakers see it now (protect muh malleable youth from getting infected by lolicon). Don't worry, in 20 years, there will be no trace of anything even resembling lolicon on the public internet.

>>23855

Though police autists like him don't have the intelligence to function enough to make it any where near the senate.

>>23874

I can hear your tinfoil hat from here.

>>23883

You stupid dick, what makes you think lolicon won't be treated like real cp in the foreseeable future? I mean there's only a couple of countries left in which it isn't illegal. Are you really that blind to reality?

>>23886

Actually you have that backwards. Only a hand full out of hundreds of countries deem it as such. Some European countries, Canada, Australia and a few more. Retards have been spouting this BS for decades.

>>23886

Because the SCOTUS has always ruled in favor of free speech except in cases where it would have also been illegal with any other type of porn (like trying to view loli in public). I don't see why they would suddenly change.

>>23887

> Only a hand full out of hundreds of countries deem it as such.

the majority of those are shit countries that dont count.

>>23894

With all due respect, but I strongly disagree with your conclusion.

History is not some whiggish cycle of pre-determined trends. Not everything is cycles.

The future isnt sent in vast impersonal trends. Trying to ban lolicon and raise the AoC out of some bizarre idea that things will swing back quicker is absurd. There is no guarantee it need swing back, in our lifetimes or indeed ever.

Opposing the things that you personally are interested in is nothing but cringing masochism.

Its like arguing that black people should speed up racist persecution of themselves so that the pendulum can swing back towards a multi-ethnic society.

Things don't work that way, and theyre not that binary.

Lolicon is art, and art is an expression of free speech. Advocating for a 1984 society will only get you punished as a useful idiot, whatever aims you hoped to achieve.

We have to be smart, and defend what we have while we can, and not give in to kneejerk reactionaries. Because if we dont speak out, they will come for all of it.

They're already banning prostitution through covert means, and theyre going to ban Pornography next. The internet wont just be cleaned of "CP" or "Loli". They will actively try to moralise all of it.

Will they succeed completely? Only if people like you help them.

>>23894

>violating copyright is more serious than murder in the US

I think you're confusing it with the UK.

Copyright issues in the US are largely a civil, not criminal affair.

>>23928

> History is not some whiggish cycle of pre-determined trends. Not everything is cycles.

This is common black and white argument made for dismissing history as a whole ("its not EXACTLY the same, thus must be wrong to use as a statistical model"). Sure, history does not loop itself as a scratched LP. It just likes to rhyme, not repeat.

> Its like arguing that black people should speed up racist persecution of themselves so that the pendulum can swing back towards a multi-ethnic society.

Yet that's exactly what seems to be happening. "Thug lyfe" is exactly this "cringing masochism". Ghetto blacks don't want to "be white", such people are labeled "house niggas". They don't crave to integrate with mainstream white society, on the contrary, they take pride in being on the fringes. You imagine lolicons screaming hysterically fighting for their rights, but notice when every time this actually happened in black activism, they were in numbers and united, and had popular support outside of their race too - which is certainly not the case nowadays. So the only screaming you hear are self-appointed career SJWs which are pretty much laughing stock (ask some blacks about Jesse Jackson. You might be surprised by what you hear).

> Lolicon is art, and art is an expression of free speech. Advocating for a 1984 society will only get you punished as a useful idiot, whatever aims you hoped to achieve.

That's a fair criticism of defeatism. But consider - when your enemy is *far* more powerful in numbers, yet their version of truth is so irrational it can't possibly stand on its own in the long term, what exactly one should do? There are smart ways to fight and have possibility of more favorable outcome (passive-aggresive) vs head-on and possibly futile approach. I call for 5th column.

> ban Pornography next

> We have to be smart

Exactly. Can you imagine the backlash of that? Having unintended consequences work for you is IMO smart way to fight.

> and defend what we have while we can

And be perceived as a rabid dog where that rage is self-incriminating? No thanks.

> Will they succeed completely? Only if people like you help them.

No need for accusatory ad hominems. The tactic of defeatism is to restart full-on trend of victorian prudence against sexual minorities (furry, lolicon, evil single whites males..) to the point where the illegals become united contra-majority as they all have singular oppressor. Today, the oppressed groups are simply too tiny and fragmented to stand any chance for your silly "vocal fight". On the contrary, it only gives the impression of 'a guilty conscience is a self-accuser' which has deleterious effect - NTs won't stop and think "hold on a moment, maybe I'm overdoing it?" when they hear your baaaaaaaw, muh lolicon. It only strenghtens their already present belief what they're doing is right. Empathy works ONLY if you don't run against completely opposite direction. It's like jews to nazi "please don't gas us. you gassed us? how dare you!". No, you cooperate and save as many as your brethern from the camps as long as you can.

Of course there is very real danger society flips into 1984 dictatorship because of this and other moral panics (think terrorism and global surveilance..). Yes, I'd welcome this. I think it's because I'd rather live in 1984 society where normies download porn from the very same (now extremely illegal) sites where lolicon resides - thus lolicon becoming de-facto socially acceptable, even if de iure it will be criminal offense, just as any porn. This is not something I made up either - this is already the case in china and russia, where porn is almost banned de uire, and nobody of the common folk except the dictators give a shit about lolicon - it's just another porn. Because everyone acknowledges just how retarded these laws are. This is in stark contrast with the west which lives in absurd split - some porn is (almost) celebrated, and some porn is socially shunned or illegal, albeit both being just porn.

> Lolicon is art, and art is an expression of free speech.

I'd be vary labeling porn as art. It's just porn. "muh freedum of speach" is very american notion, and generally not how the world is as a whole. What ultimately matters is how people around perceive you, not what arbitrary freedums are granted/restricted by your gubbermint. American freedom of speech pretty much exists only on the paper, in reality US is a very judgemental place - giving a rise to strong chilling effects almost unseen anywhere except the anglo west.

>>23959

Easy solution on the part of the users(at least hose with integrity). Never visit either of those sites again.

>>23891

Pretty much this. The majority that don't ban it are countries that are borderline lawless and can be considered 3rd world countries.

They don't ban it because they're too busy trying not to starve to death

>>23992

Doesn't matter. Don't get to cherry pick the truth vs the lie of "all but a few countries outlaw it".

>>24079

rule34hentai

Paheal tried to pull this shit a few years ago and got DDOSed so hard that it killed one of their servers. The site still derps a lot because of it. Shall we make history repeat itself?

Who knows of a good VPN?

>>24132

A few years ago a lot less people were afraid to speak out in favor of loli or protest against unjust discrimination, but the constant rise of political correctness coupled with the seemingly global agenda to eradicate underage porn has gagged a lot of those that in the past expressed their sympathy for this community.

Paheal is lost for good, just as any site still allowing loli that will ban it in the future. Barely any site unbans loli ever after getting rid of it. For every ten communities banning it maybe one new site that'll allow it is created - if we're lucky. The genre is rapidly declining.

>>23293

the bad searching is pretty much a limitation of the software paheal uses, which just searches for what you type in to a list of all images matching what you type in

say that you want something with the "loli" tag but also the "mycharacter" tag, you would search for "loli mycharacter", but unless the image is tagged as "loli mycharacter" you'll get nothing

so, if the image is tagged with "mycharacter loli" or "loli xyz mycharacter", you won't get any matches

the Danbooru software solves this by using PostgreSQL specific types (like array), but it's undeniably harder to set up than shiichan

Shouldn't we be trying to fight this instead of silently whimpering in the corner?

>>24257

Fuck off apologist.

>>24254

And you know which one is growing? Niggers & Cucks, now in 2D form…

Tell me is not suspicious, it has always existed in comic form but it was just a fraction of how big loli used to be, nowadays is a main topic.

also Shota is ignored in most chases, specially if you include an African on it.

>>24296

>multiculti cuckold fetish

I'm not really into the alt genre, but from cursory browsing it just seem to be furries being furries, nothing out of ordinary. As an oppressed group (one of the few which can genuinely make such a claim) they get free pass on everything, including lolicon as long it includes enough zoophilia.

Irony, isnt it? They're this favourite punching bag of everyone for being sick fucks they are, and suddenly radical lefties started this borg shepherding, they were pretty natural ally to assimilate and now they're force to be reckoned with.

>>24257

No. Loli fans are very pussified and think it's better to just sit and take it because "THERE'S NO WAY TO WIN! THEY'LL JUST HATE US, WHY EVEN TRY"

It's an ultra defeatist attitude and is why the genre is quickly disappearing and will likely not exist by the end of the decade. Instead of building new places or fighting back, loli fans just whimper in defeat or accept it.

>>24296

Furry is also growing in popularity and is basically mainstream now. You have people discussing fursecution and intolerance of furries like a real thing now.

>>24298

> "THERE'S NO WAY TO WIN! THEY'LL JUST HATE US, WHY EVEN TRY"

If you wan't to make gamergate out of this, go ahead, but be warned…

You're advocating something which has NO major support. GG is /vg/ xbox hueg army of frustrated gamer legionfags. And lolicon is super niche porn fetish, far from mainstream like gaming. There is no legion. It's few weebs throwing rocks at a monster made out of kneejerk moral panic and helicopter moms.

Take it from someone who actually tried (and inevitably failed) to protect lolicon content from the angry mob.

Notable exception from this is japan where lolicon actually is mainstream culture, but about this other day. If there are asian lolicons, it would be interesting to hear from you whats going on over there (korea/japan especially), because ultimately if lolicon strong countries succumb to western pressure, the genre is doomed indeed. Conversely, if they show clear and firm middle finger to the west, it could be gamechanger for us as well.

>>24305

Again you suggestion is to just stand down and take it in the ass, and I simply refuse.

>>24309

>taking it into the ass

Oh looky, we have an internet tough guy here ;_;

But seriously no, I suggest hiding when facing overwhelming adversity, not provoking it which increases the chances of taking it into the ass as you pointed out.

If you can propose reasonable offensive action, why not just spell it out instead of just running in circles "we need to do something WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING OTHERWISE WE'RE DOOMED"? I don't find that much constructive.

So far what I've come up with are some false flags, but there is not much opportunity for that (yet, things need to get heated up first), plus can't be discussed in public for obvious reasons.

>>24310

Then all I can say is enjoy your dead genre. Loli isn't staying free if you just stand by and whimper when a site bans it. If you want to do that, go ahead, but accept that you are basically dooming it.

>>24311

You can't change the operators decision by whining. If you really want to fight - fine - go out and mail 300+ server hosters to find one willing to carry the risk and has bw cheap enough. And start an alternative site of your own.

All I'm saying stop whining, and help site operators/be a site operator.

One thing to note, sites whose operators are doxed are inherently doomed as they operate under the laws of country where owner is located. Dragon dildo is a known and controversial figure and sadly, located in shitty country. So no surprises with rule34.

When the shitstorm hits exhentai, then shit will be serious.

>>23894

>deny any other historical fact

>people will think you're a loon, but you won't get arrested

>deny the Holocaust

>OY GEVALT

I'm not a Holocaust denier, but any country that makes it illegal should be ashamed of themselves.

>>23838

>It's the idea that's sickening, and the passing on of that idea is a viable notion that disturbs.

YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN

>>24079

Why do her tentacles get me so hard? I'm not normally into tentacle shit.

>>24312

All I'm saying is do anything besides nothing. I legitimately suggest doing ANYTHING that remotely helps. I am solely arguing against the defeatist attitude of "well it's hopeless guys, we had a good run! Just lie facedown in the shallow water and wait for the end".

Reminder when paheal last did this they got DDOSed to death

>>24319

If you don't get hard from the thought of a loli being able to molest and rub you all over with 8 arms at once you are either dead or gay.

>>24346

How ddosing a site which is the victim, not the aggressor help even remotely?

Thats the problem with you hotheads. Always kicking and yelling around in pretty much same way as moral panic moms do. Except unlike moms, you have no power to be heard, which is why it might be time to reconsider the tactics to actually make sense?

Fighting smart does not have to be suicide bombing you know.

>>23709

>applying motive to people you don't even know

>thinking this makes it okay to take away someone's freedom to do something that isn't illegal

this entire conversation is entirely irrelevant, please kill yourself

why is it that moralfaggotry seems to be increasing in only this one area, even among younger people?

>>24354

>How ddosing a site which is the victim, not the aggressor help even remotely?

Once it starts censoring so that it can continue to exist and service the non-problematic among us it is no longer a victim, it is an aggressor. If it shut down entirely in the face of censorship, we would call it a victim. As long as it stays up, it makes it less likely that another site can pick up the loli torch, because they're already sapping up the huge audience. Paheal fighting for us and our rights is an ally and a hero. Paheal alive and capitulating, is an enemy. Paheal dead is a victim. Let's not give them any status they haven't earned.

>>24357

Shoot the deserter argument, fair enough. I'm simply not that militant to agree with it, but it's a respectable opinion, assuming you actually have the balls to do it.

I suspect you vastly overestimate the user migration patterns - anyone can in fact use loli bans as opportunity to start competing site, as each ban generates huge surge of migrant users interested in new sites.

There's also counter argument against militia (assuming one which is not completely toothless) - when it becomes obvious loli fandom became this militarized, wouldn't that lower the chances of other sites picking up the torch too?

For example, if people were serious about retribution, why not simply ruin Varka's company? The guy and his dildo minions has doxx all over the place, it's possible to crucify him if you're serious about this. Note that he's also celebrated as sort of furry god, so it would possibly end up in all out war lolicons vs furries.

Hmm, now I think of it, this could be pretty epic drama.

>>24357

Shooting the messenger only hurts, not helps in the slightest. All you doing is the same thing the thought police are, "I don't like what you're doing. Stop it or I'll take down your site." You'll just be a negative representation of the loli community and he will hate the whole community for it and have less qualms about taking it down.

>>24359

He's got no qualms about it now. Read the notes, the earlier ones. He doesn't like it, and he doesn't want to host it. This isn't a decision he's made regretfully, he's glad to have the excuse. And even if that's not the case, he's willing to bend over when the NON-USERS threaten him with consequences. So what, if the users exact a price, somehow THEY'RE in the wrong?

It's not the same thing as the thought police either, because he actually BETRAYED us. I contributed time and effort to that site, I uploaded plenty of work (not just loli, everything) and helped in various ways, all unpaid, because I believed it was an ally. Now it's an enemy, and still trying and he can burn for all I care. I want the hours of my life I spent building up that site back. And since I can't get that, I'm happy to see it burn.

Though I should note, I'm not advocating taking it down personally (I wasn't even the one who brought up it happening in the past). I was just arguing that it's not the victim - it's not, it's an enemy, and deserves none of our sympathy. Allowing it to play the victim only aids the enemy.

>>24360

He does, He doesn't want to take it down, he is being black mailed into it. If he personally did like loli he would have taken it down a long time ago. He's not betraying you because he's choosing his sites existence over pleasing one group. You are mad at the groups fording him to do this yet want to hurt the site for it, that's just pure stupidity. You are treating to kill the site f he doesn't allow the site to die, smart. Learn to put your frustration in the right place.

>>24361

the site wouldn't be very popular without it due to huge gaps in content. I mean…rule 34? most animated things are for kids and about kids.

>>24361

http://rule34.paheal.net/wiki/Notes

>But there is no question that such content will lead to paheal being taken offline in the future and, from a personal standpoint, I simply dont want to host such images on paheal.

>the simple fact of the matter is that simulated or artistic depictions of minors is becoming illegal worldwide and I personally do not support the creation or distribution of it.

He's said twice he's against loli. Do you believe he was being blackmailed into saying that, too, months and months before making this move? Kind of a shitty blackmailer, forces him to make statements about not liking loli and then waiting months to force him to remove it.

He's not being blackmailed. He's getting what he wants and trying to look sympathetic because he knows it's a dick move that looks bad, because it is bad. I won't fall for it, and neither should you.

The site doesn't deserve to exist if loli is removed and I will be happy if it dies now. Because it's not Rule 34, it's a site that stands in the way of Rule 34.

>>24363

why even agree to a rule 34 site then? makes no sense.

>>24363

Now you're just twisting to to fit your anger towards it. He is being black mailed by governments and ISPs who already warned they would block the site completely losing a huge portion of the site traffic. In fact one who doesn't like loli but allows it is ever better of a person. Shows he cares about what the community wants. You also can't prove he didn't say that just to cover hos own ass. The firs thing he says is he is sorry but is being forced. Again, learn who to point your fruition at. Only an idiot or a narcissist would say a site should not exist if something you like/don't like is or is not allowed on it.

>>24364

Because he didn't like loli, but he tolerated it, and he knew he had to tolerate it to get the community as a whole on his side and help out.

Once they did, and made him the go-to name in Rule 34, he disposed of the audience who supported him. That's why it's a BETRAYAL, and not simply "a site that doesn't want loli." If he'd started a site that didn't want loli, that's his business.

>>24365

No, you're twisting everything to defend him.

A person who doesn't like loli but allows it is even better of a person, sure. But he's not that person anymore. He's betrayed that person.

And what you describe as being blackmailed by governments and ISPs is not blackmail. Blackmail is distinguished by a singular, notable characteristic: you can defeat it entirely if you reveal that you're being blackmailed and what for. What you describe… is just ordinary pressure. You could maybe call it extortion, but it's not even that. That's not a serious consequence. They told him they'd block him if he didn't comply. Sure, it's not easy, but if he's only an ally when it's EASY, then he's not an ally, he's somebody who doesn't care enough to argue with you. The moment the slightest bit of pressure appeared, he showed his true colors: He could have said, "Fine, you block your users from viewing a site that harms nobody, either they'll fight it or they'll find their way around it" He could have said, "I will not help you block this material, I will close up shop instead." Instead he chose to say, "Okay, I'll help you block this content, and can I lick your boots clean while you're at it?" He joined their side. Betrayal.

You ever see a movie where there's a traitor who betrays the resistance or whatever to the evil empire? He usually says, "I'm sorry, I had no choice." He's still a traitor. He could have said no. Or he could have opted out. Instead, he collaborated. He deserves no sympathy.

>>24366

I have twisted nothing. These are his exact words and what happened to the site being threatened. It's black mail, "remove this content or we block you site country wide". You are a typical self entitled internet kiddy, wants every thing his way or no one can have anything. You analogy has no place in this either. All you are is proving me right about how shooting the messenger doesn't help. You are angry about a catch 22 you are creating, if he doesn't remove the content you are happy but the site dies, if he does you cry and make the site hard to access with your little DDOS script. There's a lot of angst in someone who says anyone who doesn't give me what I want is a traitor.

>>24367

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing with you since you clearly don't know the meaning of common English words. But I'll give it one more try. But if you misunderstand a simple concept again, I'm going to have to put an end to it because I can only beat my head against a wall for so long.

"Remove this content or we block your site country wide…" that's not blackmail. Blackmail would be "If you don't remove this content, we will reveal your true identity to the world." The definition of blackmail is that it's a threat to REVEAL something if you don't comply with the demands. You could more correctly argue that this threat is literally the OPPOSITE of blackmail, because they claim they will cover something up if paheal don't comply. Again, if you're going to keep arguing this, you can try to use the word "extortion," which includes blackmail but is more generalized to threats of any kind.

I also said that I'm not advocating DDOSing it, but you didn't understand that, either. All I'm saying is he deserves no sympathy. He's a traitor, not a victim. He had the other options, but he chose the one that made him turn against the people who built the site and start censoring. He joined the other side and is oppressing. It's not "anyone who doesn't give me what I want" is a traitor. It's anyone who BETRAYS is a traitor. I don't complain that Instagram doesn't allow loli, they don't have to. But if Instagram built itself up and became popular on loli and then ditched it the first chance it got, then it becomes a traitor. And it's his choice if the site owner wants to become a traitor, but he doesn't deserve our sympathy and support to boot. He's a traitor. Call him such. Do not support him.

>>24368

Both of those are black mail, black mail is threatening some kind of consequence if you don't give into a demand. Which is what is happening. Again you show how much of a child you are do calling someone not pleasing you a traitor. Only some fascist fool would call self preservation traitorous. He joined no side, he was neutral from the start and still is but he still have to follow laws like anyone else. I never said to give any sympathy, just it's idiotic to vent anger in the wrong place. The site itself didn't build itself on loli, that's what only a part of it's users did. First you claim he wanted it gone form the start and now he built it that way, pick one. he could have just banned it from the start if he truly never wanted it. With your logic you are a traitor until you create a site wait for treats and wait for take down notices and fight it. Then you site will be take down and you can some shining idol in your own mind.

>>23767

>The one big flaw in that argument is that violent media is only deemed socially acceptable if the violence isn't senseless aka. justified.

There's a hell of a lot of violent media which is nothing but senseless violence (half of the horror genre, for example), and there's a hell of a lot of loli erotica which has more depth and emotion than the average Hollywood turd or mainstream game. You seem to be making the same mistake most people do by assuming that anything remotely sexual must be puerile and lacking in artistic merit or complexity.

The truth is that people don't like loli because it disgusts them, and they want to ban things they don't like. There is no more thought put into their arguments than is put into pulling your hand away from a slug. It's laughable that you describe his argument as narrow minded when the average person's thoughts on the matter are so narrow and shallow that there isn't even any mind there at all.

>>23815

All furries are either zoophiles or xenophiles, often both. Tentacles would usually count as xenophilia, because the entity controlling them is usually sapient.

Are you happy for me to consider lolicon to be fictional pedophilia now?

>>24371

Sorry, you've not only once again incorrectly claimed that he was being blackmailed, but also badly misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented my points again, so I'm forced to dismiss you as an idiot not worth my time.

>>24373

No, you simply can not refute the facts stated and resorting to "y-you're just stupid I'm leaving". If you don't think being threatened with shut down unless you give into demands is black mail then you don't know the meaning.

>>24374

Sorry, you've already used up my allotted tolerance for stupidity, I have no more time to explain in detail why you're an idiot. Please accept this form letter with my apologies.

>>24375

If only you had and tolerance. You have been immune for some time now being exposed to yourself. It's always amusing when someone gets shut down and resorts to name calling as a defense to run away.

>>24377

Agree withball except "he simply dropped lolicon when it stopped being good bussiness" It's not that cut and dry. He was told to drop it or he would lose his business.

>>24379

>you can actually smell them

>their body posture is realistic

>eyes are realistically human

Disgusting.

>>24379

*

>cant do shit that only exist in cartoons/animes

>>24379

>touch

jail

>smell

bad

>communicate

stupid

>realistic

ugly

>>24380

>>24382

Thats pretty much the entire point of lolicon. Its unrealistic. Its a entirely different universe from actual CP and comparing the two is stupid. Then again, hentai as a whole is completely different vs real life porn.

People watch cartoon/anime because its entertaining and unrealistic. Just like hentai.

If you want realism(or semi-realistic), live action shows/movies and porn are just for you.

Two different flavors.

So, July is ending and the TPP will be activated. Should I start saving all my loli doujins and images on a hard drive?

>>24366

>Because he didn't like loli, but he tolerated it

so he likes rule 34…but only for maybe a third of the characters that exist? what a dumbass.

>>24387

>thinks edgy=grounded in reality

>>24401

Edgy and anything that goes out of it's way to be dark. No it's not unrealistic for what's happening, but it is not definitive it does not define or resent as a majority sex with a child in any way, it would be like saying all hetero sex is the same as rape doujins involving adults. As a self proclaimed pedo you should know this. As such I assume you have seen real CP, if you have you would know 95% of it is not forced sex and the child is not being harmed and is smiling and happy most often. That is the point I'm making, that calling forced, harmful sex more "realistic" is false.

>>24398

>he thinks child molestation/rape isn't totally real and normal

have fun being naive

>>24408

that said I support fictional depictions of it 100%

>>24402

> if you have you would know 95% of it is not forced sex and the child is not being harmed and is smiling and happy most often

the gubbmint is ridiculous about the age at which this behavior becomes "meaningful". if anyone under the age of 18 consents to sex it's considered coercion and their enjoyment isn't real. so no amount of proof could ever change attitudes. I guess I support that to a certain extent, but it's more that the child would be scarred by being taken advantage of, not specifically by engaging in sexual activities (as long as it was not painful).

Forced sex probably occurs a lot inside families, where it doesn't have to look good for the camera…

>>24408

Never said that. If you could read English I said rape is not the defining aspect of child sex in the least bit. Which is 100% true.

>>24425

if you convince a kid to have sex but they don't know what that is and only feel confused, is that rape?

>>24439

It's molestation. Still not brutal out right rape that is nothing but harm. That still has nothing to do with my statements.

>>24447

You know what niggers? Let's save loli from Paheal before the cucks get to it.

I'm already saving entire tags of images using DownThemAll, what should I be saving first?

>>24393

Thing is, I'd be more than happy to support something like this, but I really have no coding ability. I can throw money at the screen but that won't necessarily be helpful if there's nobody behind the project. I am more in line with the "distraught user" crowd. The best I could do is try to recruit people from a website I have my tendrils in, but that requires there to be a website for them to come to first.

And of course the website mustn't just be a literal *booru clone. Like you said, it would need to be more HF-esque, especially in order to attract artists.

On top of this, the site needs to try to be inclusive to all kinks and types. I would be wary of even trying to shun people who are universally despised here, such as the furfags. It's hyppocritical as fuck to found a site like this only to ban certain types of content just because it is things-we-don't-like.

I sure that if this gets built, and it is stable, honest in its presentation, and welcomes fags from all circles of kinks and fetishes (artists and fappers alike) then people will trickle into it.

>>24471

Hilariously enough, I was already thinking of doing something like this. Except as a tumblr clone with booru and HF-like features to steal artists from tumblr and HF with a veneer of normalfaggotry.

Unfortunately the "killer app" I had in mind would be difficult as hell to pull off: an internal database structure that can be split apart and reconstructed with no loss of data. This gets you metadata complete archiving for free and opens the possibility of the website outliving its original owners, but I have no fucking idea how to do it sanely.

>>24472

git busy nigguh, we need a site we can turn to

>>24470

https://github.com/hydrusnetwork/hydrus/releases

This might help.

Save everything you love first and go from there.

>>24474

That's exactly what I'm using. It actually has a paheal downloader built-in, but it downloads too fast or something because after like 50 images I would get 503 errors and refused connections unless I paused the download for a minute every other image. Fuck that.

I'm saving "high risk" tags like Gravity_Falls and Power_Pack first, but definitely biased towards things I actually like. I brought it up here because I'm only one guy and I might miss something really important.

>>24471

>>24472

It's definitely possible, inkbunny model seems good, i'm even a bit jelly, furfags were blessed by the guy who made that website. Of course, lolicon is different because it's actually illegal in a lot of places. It would also (probably) not net any money, since people will not want to advertise on it and the website will get blacklisted by countries like Russia and France, which will further reduce the traffic. Basically, we need someone who will able to bankroll the entire operation and expect nothing in return.

Also, as was mentioned already, as an archive, exhentai (for now) got the "frinde fetish" hentai community covered, it would be impossible to come up with something better, imo. Although they do ban 3D loli, which is the only thing you can realistically improve over them. But in any case exhentai is not good place for artist discovery\encouragement, that's why something like hentai-foundry or inkbunny seems like the best bet.

>>24473

http://rule34hentai.net/

>>24533

>rule34h

No need to pitch one booru dump when there are half a dozen of those with loli.

So let's have a recap, shall we?

Boorus are tagged image board, often stock shimmie, gelbooru,d anbooru codebase. Anyone can run one but it is quite a wild horse to tame content-quality wise. Stuff is scrapped and user submitted, often poorly organized. Only the top (and oldest) boorus (paheal, dan/gelbooru etc) seem to have decent community/moderation/organization and amount/variety of content. Those are also the most likely ones to ban loli.

Here is an incomplete list from my bookmarks for a start, ordered by personal preference, ie roughly by amount of content/quality of tagging/moderation:

Tagged image booru dumps:

danbooru.donmai.us (largest?, but paywall)

gelbooru.com

rule34.paheal.net

chan.sankakucomplex.com

rori-dl.com (loli exclusive)

lolibooru.moe (loli exclusive)

tbib.org

rule34hentai.net

Manga reader sites, aka pleb pandas, are a separate category from dumps, as they group and carry selected manga/doujin releases:

thedoujin.com

pururin.com

nhentai.net

fakku (bans loli on and off)

Please reply if you have more to add to the list.

>>24546

Of note is also http://e-shuushuu.net/ - soft "clean" lolicon.

>>24393

Use the danbooru software, it's superior to the one used by paheal, I believe also superior to Gelbooru's.

>>24566

Tried doing so 3 years ago, and it's a PITA to set up. Has albert fixed the deployment script?

>>24567

I don't know of any developments to Danbooru since I installed it 2 years ago. It's certainly not easy to set up, but it is possible.

For what it's worth, I'm working on my own booru software and I'm making pretty good headway with it. It uses PostgreSQL and Python rather than Ruby. I'm trying to emulate most of Danbooru's features withut falling into the "shimmie tagging" crap.

>Paheal

>Implying they're worth anything ever since the Bronies took over.

Meh, at least when EX-Hentai was taken over by Bronies they didn't revamp everything.

Anyway, shouldn't they be worried about those fuckers actually, you know.. Hurting real children? Getting flustered over drawn images is a massive waste of time and resources they could be using to track down actual CP traffickers and not the retarded chumps who buy it with their credit cards either, I mean the sick fucks who produce it.

>>24609

>not the retarded chumps who buy it with their credit cards either

Anon, that's not how CP sharing and production works, it's mostly amateur stuff.

Are you aware of distinct lack of laws regarding possession and distribution of real rape footage? Look up wherever you live, i bet it's gonna be fully legal to download something like this. Why? The same arguments people make against CP can be made against rape footage. That you're a participant if you like that sort of thing, that you're encouraging the production of it, that you're simply sick fuck for enjoying seeing people get raped. But yet it's legal in most places. Why? because people don't find it gross enough to legislate against it, and it would be ridiculous to make claims like "your actions lead to more people get raped". Yet same arguments apply to child porn, and no one questions them. That's because pedophilia is different, it's one thing that people don't want to hear and talk about. It's viewed as ultimate evil. Not the wish to rape a child, not the wish to see someone rape a child, but pedophilia in general, as a thing. That is why it makes perfect sense for them to worry about lolicon, and not only people who hurt real children. Because the notion of you getting a boner thinking about children is completely unacceptable and should be erased from this world, from their point of view.

>>24648

False. Not him but real rape/murder/torture videos are consider snuff and are illegal in every state in the US.

>>24734

I don't have Tor right now but i'll be sure to check it out. As people said though, it will be a slow burner, unless other clearweb communities start closing, if pixiv and exhentai disappear from the face of the internet, for example.

I know a couple of good onion websites (pedo related) that exist for 5 or more years now, because they don't host illegal content. I think people have too narrow-minded view on Tor and onion websites, i wish it wasn't the case. I'll register there when i get to my Tor machine, but i don't think such service gonna be too useful as of now.

>>24767

People put you on a list if you talk about it.

>>24794

Who's that beavis fuckface?

>>24823

Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

>>24734

No thanks. If it comes to me needing to use fucking tor for loli, then I am done with this shit. The normies win.

>>24657

No they aren't. If they were, sites like liveleak and shit would be taken down and the news would be impossible to report on.

>>24844

Enforcement is entirely different. But just like all the bestiality porn sites it is illegal but easy to find. Only things that set off the moralist get full enforcement.

>>24767

yes. you get put on a list for google searching it.

it was something from the NSA that got leaked.

they record everyone that google searches for tor or tails + some other keywords.

its not really anything to worry about though,

>>24845

Bestiality isn't illegal either, where the fuck are you getting this from? The act is legal in like 20 states and the porn falls under the same umbrella as loli.

>>23288

I got it working about 3 months ago, but it took some doing.

>>24872

Yes it is. It is illegal in every first world country. Hell I can go to almost any lake in my state and see signs that say "do not molest alligators by punishment of law". There are very few states where it's technically not illegal but still federally illegal. It it's deemed illegal by the miller test.

>>24882

No, they have not backtracked, other people keep uploading it after the staff deletes it, and they may have apologized in that note, but the rules officially say no loli and loli stuff gets deleted on a regular basis, and other artists have had all their pics deleted too.

At paheal, loli is against the rules, they're just really really terriblly inconsistent about enforcing their rules and most of the users are just saying "fuck your rules, we're doing what we want". rule34hentai loli's allowed.

>>24888

When they say molest, they don't mean sexual molestation. They just mean don't mess around with them.

>>24888

topkek

that's not what 'molest' means. do you think people are actually fondling the alligators?

>>24909

>>24908

Thy literally do, in fact it's how trained professionals tell an alligator;s sex. People thinks it's funny/a good idea to go sticking fingers in their genitals.

>>23803

What a fucking idiot.

The core of the issue, which he misses, is: is it unethical? If it's not unethical, WHO FUCKING CARES?

And it's not unethical because it harms. nobody. End of fucking story.

Any argument other than that is an argument based on the arguer's own personal disgust or dislike of it and that's not a valid argument.

>>24915

But to those brave, misguided souls trying to get a BJ from an alligator, I've gotta salute their bravery if not their wisdom.

>>24922

Maybe it's not bravery, horniness make make a man do crazy things.

https://mega.co.nz/#F!XNY0QTwb!7WaTvInSgLo_Lz8sJTG68w

Here's a folder of all the tags I tried to rip from Paheal. Consider none of these rips to be complete, I got a lot of download errors, especially for Ben Ten. Filenames should all have the tags in them. I did not prune any dupes or remove "low quality" or non-loli content from any of this.

>>24996

>the government emails warning about illegal activities instead of arresting for it

Top kek

Only a retard would believe that. And it wouldn't, loli is legal.

>>24997

This meant toward the US btw

>I have a family

Normalfag piece of shit

Women ruin everything

>>24996

>TFW I draw ( at least try) to draw toon porn.

Also I got a weird message from Paheal telling me they wont be deleting the pictures I drew because they say there will be no further deletions from their part.

>>24609

Hey!, even the delicious pony butts are in danger to, and not just the fillies, they could blame them about zoophilia or even CP as well since they relate anything 2D to kids.

>>23255

>in my mind there is only one option for now (I say for now because I am looking at options and alternatives that would satisfy everyone EDIT: Just to clarify, I am looking at alternative hosting in other countries.).

Does this imply that if policies change he can simply un-delete all the censored images and we get back the original upload date and all the conversation in the comments?

Or is that gone forever and we would have to re-upload? Cuz fuck that.

Does anyone have the image of Yuuko from Nichijou and Osaka from Azumanga, where they are licking each others feet on a bed. It was really well done. I can't find it on r34 anymore.

>>25042

Is this the one? https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1744038

I just searched for (nichijou asumanga feet) and it was one of the first results.

>>25032

>Also I got a weird message from Paheal telling me they wont be deleting the pictures I drew because they say there will be no further deletions from their part.

This is definitely interesting, can you show us the message?

Sites and places to become not tech-retarded? I'm ignorant about vpns, vms, proxies and the like. but it seems I'll be left behind if I don't change soon. Besides /tech/ and /g/ and other helpful places?

>>25115

But rules as they are state underage art is not allowed. Seems like they're panicking a bit on how to keep themselves operational.

>external forces

yeah no shit and it's not gonna change, there are plenty of sites that are blacklisted because they decided not to cooperate with countries that send takedown requests, for example in Russia 8ch.net is now operational, but you can't see pictures. There are a couple of other imageboards that are blacklisted, hell even xhamster is blacklisted in Russia. You can't just keep deleting the pictures, it will never stop. They should just cave in completely and delete all underage and transgressive art or just educate their audience on how to avoid government blocks

>by moving the servers to a country that doesn't give a shit

This doesn't help at all, seems like whoever wrote a reply to you doesn't even know the reason for content deletion up to this point

>>25115

>>25208

Also, that post is from Jul 11. The rules change that made loli completely against the official rules was on Jul 14th.

>>25088

I'm just not going to bother. If lolis illegal, then I don't want to bother with it anyway. And the idea of moving to TOR doesn't solve the problem.

>>24888

>Yes it is

No, it isn't. It varies by state. A simple google search proves this.

>>25223

State is irrelevant, it is federally illegal. Just like how loli is federally legal so state is irrelevant.

>>25193

Well right now I'm mostly jumping around from wikipedia pages and other related sites just reading a bunch tech articles to get the definitions and base information out of the way. /tech/ and /g/ seem to be very linux heavy, and I do not feel knowledgeable enough to trust myself to mess with linux yet. I'm not very game heavy so switching to linux really offers no problems there and most games I own can work with linux, WINE, or emulators without much trouble.

My real questions would be is how do I decide which vpns and proxies to use? Paid or free? Which provide the best security and privacy for me? Would using multiple proxies and/or a virtual machine be overkill?

What security and privacy measures do you use yourselves? How did you come to be privacy savy? And what sites would you recommend to a beginner?

>>25232

It depends a little on what you need, specifically. If your country bans sites with loli content at the IP level, and you just want to get access to sites that have been banned, virtually any proxy, free or not (as long as it's encrypted, all your country would be able to see is that you visited the proxy, which might itself be illegal but probably not) will do you, although ones that are free will be slower and may have their own rules about accessing such content (well, even ones that aren't free might, but they're much less likely to care). As long as the proxy is itself outside of your country, chances are they're not going to give a shit if your government asks them what you've been looking at (and chances are your gov't won't give a shit either as long as you're doing it quietly and not actually going for real live CP)

If you fear loli will be made illegal worldwide and you'll have to go to some exclusive hidden service for it, chances are Tor is what you're going to want, a proxy or VPN isn't necessary but it's more secure. Since tor is itself on the sketchy side and possible to brute force, you'd probably want a paid VPN with a no data retention policy located in a country outside of your own. This still might not totally protect you if you get into the really illegal shit that makes you a prime target (because even if a VPN doesn't retain records, a gov't could order them to do things that would expose you essentially as a live sting), but it puts you well into the realm of "too much trouble to go after for cartoon porn when no actual kids are in danger." If loli has gone hidden not so much to avoid the law but to avoid busybodies trying to get the site taken down, and you stay away from the actual illegal shit, you can probably do without the VPN as well.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert either.

>>25221

BUT they have not taken down my pictures yet. Should I reply to them again and see what they have to say?

>>25237

What you should do is post your pictures here or give us a link, this is an IMAGE board after all.

And yes, reply to them, say "fuck you" and delete everything yourself, and upload it to a more tolerable hosting site.

Quit being a weak bitch. Real men don't follow dumb laws.

>>25245

seriously, do people not know what "civil disobedience" is?

>>25268

Please. Laws can't change nature. It's like if it was illegal to have sex with anyone. It's not like murder or stealing. Sex is not inherently bad.

>>25299

Every artist can use more practice, but you look like you're on a pretty great road. If you had a pixiv, I'd follow you there.

>>25310

I am going o make a new blog about my pics, I had one but I took it down for reasons…

Weird, I never got any cease and desist letter or anything about it. right now you can go to Paheal but I am not posting there anymore, I may get a pixiv account.

>>25225

Let me go inform half of the US that marijuana is not legal then despite it being legal.

>>25357

It's federally illegal. That's why marijuana stores still get raided by the feds, that's why you will still be fired for failing a piss test at work in states where it's "legal" even if you have a medical card. Everyone knows this except the uneducated pot heads who thinks it's legal and free range to do what ever you want with any time.

>>25357

Fucking idiot. I hope your nigger ass isn't in the US.

>>25193

How does one go about accessing exhentai.org?

>>25669

sigh…

Google "Access sad panda"

You need some forum account and there's a plugin that keeps you logged in

>>24387

thats a good post, one that id rather not be true. i cant blame people for that 'yep its cp' being the first conclusion to pop in to their head, but like with so many things you can end up attacking you didnt mean to when you group people together.

but people wont do that, they dont have time to be considerate and dont want to extend the courtesy that is acknowledging that they might not be 100% correct anyways.

>>25386

I've already proven you wrong, and then you proceeded to move goal posts. Just shut the fuck up for gods sake

>>24996

Nah, with how the US is nowadays, they're more likely to lower the adult age so the corporations can put children to work if they can ever pull off the tightening of the copyright laws.

Just stumbled upon this: http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=628608&postcount=5446

It's already half a year old but it's another good example of corporate censorship pulling the noose around loli necks tighter.

>>25814

this is why bitcoin should be a thing

>>25358

>that's why you will still be fired for failing a piss test at work in states where it's "legal" even if you have a medical card

No, that's a completely separate issue. Employers can make whatever rule they want. You can be fired for consuming alcohol at work, too, and that's legal.

>>25858

I think there is some crossover, actually… let's say you're prescribed medical marijuana for a condition. As long as you don't show up high for work and can do the job, theoretically, it should be like any other medication, and you should be protected from employers deciding to fire you based on a medical condition you're receiving prescription medication for (otherwise, employers could make rules that prevent disabled people from working by making a rule that their medication isn't allowed). But because marijuana is illegal federally, they have the wiggle room to say you're not being fired for taking a prescription medication in your own time, you're being fired for violating the law.

>>25858

For small business yes, but any company or business that does it's work place drug tests by the federally placed "drug free work forces" most likely will. Some business in areas with medical pot may over look a positive result as along as you don't show up to the work place high.

>>25827

Yeah, but people need to start building a separate economy around it, getting paid in it and the like, rather than trying to buy it with bank accounts and credit cards because it still creates a bottleneck.

>>24393

>How will it get paid for?

I see this as the main issue. Most of us are pretty intelligent but few of us have any money

>>24393

>How will it get paid for?

I see this as the main issue. Most of us are pretty intelligent but few of us have any money

>>24393

>How will it get paid for?

I see this as the main issue. Most of us are pretty intelligent but few of us have any money

>>26382

find me someone who is willing to dedicate themselves to developing and administering this website and i will do everything in my power to back the project fiscally.

>>24401

>>24406

Anyone have a link to these doujins?

>>31658

Please don't bump a 3 month old thread simply to demand to be spoonfed, also it wouldn't hurt if you stopped namefagging.

The poster said the artist is machida hiraku, you could find them yourself with that alone.

>>23303

If you want to do that you need to first get a lot of attention, like claiming that the reason they want it banned is because they want to make a profit and exploit rising rape rates that would follow, and how they themselves don't care about real children that are being trafficked

>>23465

I can literally draw with a pencil on paper a character depicted as a kid on paper in a sexual pose and it means nothing to anyone. If it comes down to 100% media cencorship then loli will simply take the form of novella like manga or artists will simply do direct person to person bartering

>>23479

fetishes stand united- its only a matter of time before furry content, incest, bestiality, and scat/gore get trashed for their immoral content which is weird because its the progressives being so un progressive to minorities with no control over urges.

>>23611

are you teh shadman? or spazkid? link your work my hero

>>23709

why are you even here, you literally only argue the opinion of everyone else who isnt a lolocon like its fact when i know damn well that my friends irl know/have seen lolicon and western rule 34 and consider it regular porn but 'not their style' they dont chastise it, they just ignore it, the only people who actually dislike young girls are feminazis and apologists, like you

>>23732

one type of satisfaction from porn is pretty shallow and the problem with people, in reality people read bestiality for primal urges, incest for taboo feelings, vanilla for that love tingle and cuck for hate spanking, there are a rainbow of emotions tied to how you want to enjoy 'me' time, and that satisfaction is linked to the same 'feel good' feeling you get from eating and playing games, just your touching yourself

>>23738

miyazaki films bridge an artistic gap between little girls, sexuality, love and the world, am i a pedo for becoming engrossed in the fictional drawn love life of a little girl in a fantastic world? Do you take a cold shower and pray for forgiveness when you watch 'my neighbor totoro' when the girls take their bath? Or when Riley's butt was shown on 'inside out'? Those two examples are pretty strong examples of why there is hope, faggot

>>23928

there are groups unrelated who are completely trying to nuetralize the internet of ownership and de governise it, these will be the ultimate changes of the penjulim swing that will allow EVERYTHING