No.7046
Okay, let's just get this topic out of the way.
Is it true that attraction to 2D is not the same as 3D?
Because personally I totally want to touch children with my penis (but I don't, because that's bad), and only look at loli stuff because of that reason. What about you, do you have any attraction to 3D kids?
No.7048
3D in general is gross.
No.7052
>>7048But why, onii-chan?
Little girls are so sweet and loving and awesome :)
No.7054
>>7052Don't get me on 3D loli, please, anon. I'm already fucked enough.
No.7057
I sometimes work with kids at my internship where they bend over and other unintentional lewd stuff like that all the time. Not even a single inkling of attraction to them. Meanwhile, I can easily get hard from watching the beach episode or the OVA of Ryo Kyu Bu. I have succeeded in abandoning 3D.
No.7067
>>7054But 2d can never hold you and cuddle up and kiss and tell you how amazing you are and how much they love you c:
No.7068
>>7067Would… would a 3D one really do that for someone like me…?
No.7072
>>7068Haha, well thats how love works :)
No.7085
>>7067Not yet. Give it a few hundred years and you could probably get a simulation of your waifu who would do that.
In response to OP, 3D is nice but comes with too many ethical issues.
No.7086
>>7085>few hundred yearsmore like a few decades
No.7129
>>7085Wouldn't that just be a digital tulpa?
No.7137
I uh, I have moral and personal issues regarding 3d.
Pretty much all I can say.
No.7140
>>7046At one point I was scared I might be attracted to 3D, but then I realized that was just bullshit. 2D loli stuff is on a fantasy plane for me that's on par with Elves and Goblins; i.e. it cannot exist in real life, its far too idealized in every way. When I realized I was scared for nothing. I have no attraction to real kids, nor should I. I want to fuck a healthy girl my own age, maybe slightly younger.
In fact I get uncomfortable just looking at that toddlers in tiaras crap when they dress them up slightly provocatively. Its just unpleasant.
No.7147
>>7140>In fact I get uncomfortable just looking at that toddlers in tiaras crap when they dress them up slightly provocatively. Its just unpleasant.This is true for me as well, it feels nothing but uncomfortable when they try to present actual children in a more provocative manner.
No.7153
>Okay, let's just get this topic out of the way.
I've seen this discussion several times here already.
No.7157
No.7183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPiRxqygsNIEh, I don't care for 3d at all, not so much because it's pig disgusting, but because an overwhelming majority of kids lack the interest and maturity to actually want to have sex. I'm not talking about the early birds but the other other 99.9% whose sexuality develops at a nominal rate. I'm also not sexually attracted to real kids as I am to women my age.
Loli takes something fascinating you rarely see in real life, distills it and portrays it as something commonplace for the sake of the narrative and our curiosity. The juxtaposition of two things we usually never associate with one another coupled with the societal taboo of doing it is very enticing to those of us whose rationality supersedes their emotions and ignorance.
Yeah, a good number of loli doujin require some suspension of disbelief regarding the physics, but that doesn't change the fact that the idea of sexually active children is firmly rooted in reality. I view these sexually precocious fictional girls(and boys) in the same light as your everyday protagonist, who by chance or destiny is able to go beyond himself and achieve feats none of those around him are be able to.
To come back to the 2d vs 3d question: Real kids attract me sexually about as much as a frigid 35yo woman minus any of the physical traits my dick usually responds to instinctively.
No.7224
/hebe/rews have their own thead, if anon is interested. As for me, I can much easier rap to 2d than 3d
No.7226
(7224) fap* dyac.
No.7235
>>7224mind dropping some lines for us?
No.7241
Years ago, there was a poll on a loli hentai site asking users if they liked 3D too or just 2D. About 50% said they liked 3D as well.
Also a strawpoll on /a/ with more than 500 votes came out 1/3 in favor of 3D. Just some stats I felt like sharing.
No.7244
adding to the chorus of not attracted to 3D little girls at all
toddlers in tiaras is creepy / gross
scrolling by the OP pic made me go flaccid
No.7268
Fuck you filthy casuals. All lolis are beautiful, regardless of dimensions.
No.7273
Disgusting.
No.7275
>>7046I'm not sure if OP is FBI, or if the FBI is just monitoring this thread (like me)
No.7278
Get the fuck outta here.
No.7279
Please just fuck off and stop making threads like this. The majority of people here don't like real underage girls whatsoever so please just go back to one of your shitty pedo boards.
No.7280
>>7278>>7279??
Keeping the discussion of IRL lolis in a thread on /loli/ is a good idea, guys.
It's a discussion that's good to have, and while we may not want it popping up over the entire board, it IS relevant to /loli/. If you don't want to think about it (>>7244), just don't enter the thread. Not all of us are furries or toddlercons, but they're welcome on this board. Likewise, a discussion of this topic, while not necessarily good for all threads, is definitely /loli/-relevant, and deserves to stay. If you don't want to discuss it, don't participate in the thread.
No.7281
>>7067
>She's a real girl>She doesn't love you No.7292
>>7280 Is basically my stance on this topic.
If you dont like those threads simply ignore them.
No.7294
>>7241It's around 50% on this board as well, there was a poll a while ago.
>>1212 No.7296
>>7046Well that question is hard to answer because it depends on the person.
Personally I like loli because I had a kinky childhood with 2 cousins and sometimes I use that to wank.
Most of the women I've been with didn't seem to mind, some even wanted to roleplay as lolis
Sweet!.
I don't feel attracted to kids at all.
No.7333
>>7046Because personally I totally want to touch children with my penis
You are not alone OP. I don't think it is intrinsically bad but it's bad because how our society treats it. Having sex with children is not risky only to you but also to those kids. Not because the act would be necessarily harmful, but the consequences almost certainly would be if you was ever found out. In any case, I tend to stick to 2d lolis and/or picts of nonnude girls and a lot of dreaming.
No.7343
>>7333>be a pedophile>browsing covertly>don't get caught>finally figure out how to lucid dream:D
No.7346
>>7343Words can not measure how jelly I am.
No.7363
It is exactly the same to 3D women to 2D women, some 3D are hot, but MOST 2D are even better! if drawn Lolis were real, I will rape them for sure, real ones aren't as pretty and are never worth the risk.
No.7364
>>7343If I could have lucid dreams I would be fucking cartoon girls over real ones, I just hate humanity so bad man!
No.7407
My personal theory is that loli (2D) has a very broad appeal; that it's not really a niche fetish or something that only a few can appreciate. Rather, people who are led around by the nose through politicians and other opinion-formers have internalized "moral" reactions that prevent them from looking at or appreciating it.
I base this on numerous observations and personal experiences. For instance, I have known 2 different girls (my own age) who "secretly" liked loli.
Basically, only a small minority of people are paedophiles whereas lots of people could develop an interest in 2D loli aesthetics under the right circumstances.
No.7478
>>7057Let me ask you this: how old are they?
Because it could be that they are simply in the wrong age range for you, keep in mind that most lolis are around 11-12 some even getting as old as 13-14.
No.7505
>>7294I like both, but i prefer 2D lolis when it goes to character.
Renge from non non biyori tops every IRL gril in this world.
No.7506
No.7608
I really love drawn loli stuff, and would love if they were real and cuddleable in three dimensions, but the fact is that every time I've accidentally stumbled across real child porn, I've felt a really viscerally negative reaction. Like sick and scared and then bummed out for a while.
So I think I'm safe on that front. I actually count myself lucky that I'm not attracted to real children, because I know you don't always have a say in the strange proclivities you are dealt.
No.7711
3D is PD, even if they're young. Sure, young 3Ds are the best kind of 3D, but then again, it's kind of arguing about what kind of shit smells least bad.
2D is where it's at.
No.7728
OP is an attractive girl but is not sexually attractive. Watch "Are all men pedophiles?" basically anyone who says they wouldn't pork a 15 year old is lying. I just like small breasts but I don't like children, most loli just look like skinny 15 year olds to me.
No.7831
3D are more lewd
2D are cuter
No.7837
No.7876
Not nearly as much. I won't say I don't find it attractive at all, but 2d>>>>3d
No.7918
>>7728That should really be "Are all men hebephiles?". I think wanting to do terrible things to pre-pubescent girls is somewhat rarer.
That said, I would pork the fuck out of Yotsuba.
No.7982
I'd fuck a kid in a heartbeat
No.8001
Maybe it's the fact that I am a pedo that I can actually understand people who are attracted to 2D wouldn't be attracted to 3D.
I mean, I find girls 6-12 sexy as all fuck but I cannot for the life of me find anything attractive in anything younger.
Despite the fact that I hold no attraction whatsoever towards toddlers, I LOVE Toddlercon
No.8058
>>7057How did you abandon 3D (I'm trying)
No.8142
Literally no attraction to 3DPD, and yet loli is my top fetish
What the fuck is wrong with me?
No.8146
No.8151
To be completely honest, I've basically gone "in reverse" from what the common thought seems to be. I was pretty hebe and always was, even when I was a kid–but getting into loli, now, I don't even have a fetish for 3D girls hardly of any age. It's all anime. I'm turning into Ryulong… ;_;
No.8172
Im not even attracted to either, I just get off to taboo shit
No.8237
No.8250
>>8142you're either in denial or you've never seen LS Magazine. Same for the rest of the "3dpd"-fags
No.8255
>>8250How is this any different from telling a gay dude that he just hasn't met the right woman yet? Some people just aren't attracted to the same thing you are. Get over it.
No.8266
>>8255The gay dude probably isn't looking at hentai girls on the side though.
No.8269
>>8255A better comparison would be yaoi vs 3d men. You fap to yaoi but have no attractions to 3d men? If you told any one this would they believe you?
No.8273
>>8269Sure, why not? They're not even close to the same thing. And 2D lolis are absolutely nothing like 3D girls. You have yet to provide one good reason why someone can't be attracted to one thing and not another.
No.8275
>>8274>all loli is traced No.8276
>>8275>completely ignoring the pointok then. What's the difference between a traced and an original pic? Can you even tell the difference?
No.8277
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>>8276>Being this obtuseThis was never even about whether pics are traced or not. It's about whether loli art is sufficiently distinguishable from real kids that someone could conceivably be attracted to one and not the other. You still have not provided a single reason why that couldn't be the case.
No.8278
I think they overlap, but one can like 3d but dislike 2d. That's just my opinion.
>>7046 No.8282
>>8277You're proving my point with your pic. It's not a stick drawing. The only difference between the pics are the ridiculus bug face on the anime girl. What if the faces weren't shown? What about roman porn (pic related)? Where there romans who found these drawings sexually attractive yet had no attractions to the 3D equivelent, the one the drawings where supposed to represent? Is roman art sufficiently distinguishable from real women/men that someone could conceivably be attracted to one and not the other?
No, because they are not too abstract (i.e stick drawings). It's still clear what the drawings represent which is good enough for your brain. Ask yourself why you are attracted to 2D in the first place. There are people who only fap to loli, not even 2D adults. Why?
No.8287
>>8282There's nowhere near enough information for anyone to seriously debate this topic on either side.
The human brain can clearly distinguish between a drawing and a photograph in 99.9% of cases, so there's no fundamental reason why it's impossible for a sexual attraction to apply to only one of them. The question then comes down to the details of how sexual attraction is formed and structured within the brain, which I doubt any of us are qualified to comment on.
If he says he's only attracted to 2d, it's probably not worth your time arguing the opposite.
No.8309
>>8277Well if 2D were real, the normal ones will lost most of their value, you cant deny that.
Real women, and real things in general, are shit compared to fantasy.
No.8310
>>8287Yeah, no one can change ones tastes, only NORMIES think like that because normies like the same things, they are so naive.
No.8311
all Lolicon are attracted to real kids, and the ones who say they aren't are fucking liars.
No.8312
>>8311Making assumptions about the sexual preferences of a diverse collection of millions of people is bound to make you wrong in at least a few cases.
I would agree with you in the majority of cases, but anything above 80% is pure conjecture.
No.8314
Personally I like both, but I've seen pedos that abhor loli and lolicons that abhor 3d.
No.8318
>>8311Nice evidence bro, you sure told us
No.8338
>>83113d makes me physically sick
No.8360
>>8318Lolicon = pedophile
No.8362
Real life lolis are superior due to the fact that they, well, really exist. Having one or many of them around you beautifies and enhances the day.
No hour spent with a loli is a wasted hour.
A small sexual aspect exists, but not in a visible way (e.g. no boner when i have a restless loli on my lap).
I however have zero sympathy for child abusers and i met many people online whereby i am happy that they don't have much contact to lolis at all. Exploiting a lolis curiosity, making that small person an "object" to your desire, hopefully ensures a place in hell.
No.8363
>>8362I'm think I'm gonna throw up…
No.8365
>>8363Why? She's beautiful.
No.8368
>>8360You're not even trying now
>>8362She probably smells like vomit and has a shitty, entitled personality, like all kids. 2D wins.
No.8369
>>8363>being this much of a faggotdo you also throw up when you see yourself in the mirror?
No.8373
Why the fuck do we constantly have several threads about this? Drop it and post 2D.
I can only imagine that the reason some retards keep posting suggestive images of real kids is that they're secretly trying to get the board shut down because "hurr they're sharing suggestive images of real kids!!"
Can we drop this shit already?
No.8376
>>8373>pictures posted in this thread>suggestivebabbys first day on 8chan?
No.8381
>>8376Pictures like
>>8362 are exactly the kind of shit normalfaggots and people looking for an excuse to bitch about this place will use to claim that the board is used to spread images of sexualized children.
More importantly, it sure as hell isn't loli, which this board is for. We don't need several threads about the same shit and all that happens is that some fucktard goes "liking loli makes you a pedo :)" and someone taking the bait.
No.8387
>>8381How is this suggestive?
No.8408
>>8387For a pedo even the most innocent pictures are suggestive
No.8411
>>8408I'm not seeing how this could be suggestive.
No.8459
>>8408So anyone who bitches about this site for suggestive images are pedos then?
No.8466
>>8459If they think there's anything erotic about
>>8362, then almost certainly yes.
No.8512
>>8368>comparing a smell (one you allege) with something that has no smell>comparing a childs personality (again, one you allege) with something that has no personality>comparing a living being with a virtual something>>8373>>8381That is just a sweet picture of a child. I have no idea what you see "suggestive" there, you sick fuck.
>>8408You are the one that whines about it. Closet much?
Also, i love how noone replied to the text from
>>8362 No.8518
>>8512Exactly, 2D lolis have whatever smell or personality you decide to give them. That is why they are superior.
Glad you're starting to get it. A bit of a slow learner, but I won't hold it against you.
Oh, and the text of
>>8362 has zero substance to it other than "Real life lolis are superior due to the fact that they, well, really exist" which merely begs the question. Not sure why you apparently think it was such a knock-down argument, but again, as we established, you are a bit slow at the draw.
No.8522
>>8512Seriously, what the fuck is with the flood of retards trying to make it look like this board is for pedos attracted to 3D? You cunts keep posting images of real kids on a loli board that you pretend aren't sexualized at all. If they weren't, you wouldn't posting them on a loli board, in a discussion about 3D "loli" in the first fucking place. Stop pretending that context doesn't matter because anyone can see through it. You wouldn't be posting a "sweet picture of a child" on a board for loli, in a thread like this.
It's blatantly obvious that you're trying to make it look like this place is full of people attracted to actual kids. You're even samefagging. See:
https://8chan.co/loli/res/6087.html#8421https://8chan.co/loli/res/6087.html#8426Both posts were made by this MGOON jackass, and the idiot forgot to drop the name for one of them.
Hey board owner? Why is CGI loli not allowed for looking too much like reality yet you're allowing these faggots to pollute the board with pictures of real kids? Anyone with half a brain can tell that they're only looking to stir shit up. The board is for 2D loli. This is not 2D loli.
No.8524
>>8522>It's blatantly obvious that you're trying to make it look like this place is full of people attracted to actual kids.
>implying it isn'tif you people don't start facing it, you will always live like recluses.
No.8525
>>8522>Why is CGI loli not allowed for looking too much like reality yet you're allowing these faggots to pollute the board with pictures of real kids?This wasnt my decision but something hotwheels made me ban.
I do agree though that it has gotten a little excessive lately.
No.8526
No.8530
>>8524
>implying all lolicons are recluses
>implying that admitting attraction to 3D kids will magically make you not a recluse
>what the fuck are you even talking about No.8546
>>8525>>8526What do you have to say to >>6501 ? To the best of my knowledge, its fine now; if you have any doubts, why not just ask hotwheels directly about whether or not its allowable now that we're off cloudflare…
No.8549
>Exactly, 2D lolis have whatever smell or personality you decide to give them.
How exactly to you "give" them that. How is that any different from "giving" 3D lolis you imaging any desired qualities.
No.8550
>>8546I actually asked him in one of his streams when we were about to get off cloudflare and he said no.
No.8551
>>8549>*do, *?, *imagine Wow I fucked up
No.8581
>>8525My point wasn't that CGI should be allowed, but rather that these people should be banned or at least have their posts deleted when it's blatantly obvious that they're just looking to paint everyone here as a real world pedo. Look at their fucking posts; all they're doing is trying to make people say they're into 3D and not just 2D. Why the hell would they even do that if it wasn't for false flagging purposes and/or to make this board look like gathering place for RL pedos? Exactly; they wouldn't.
No.8623
Both are fine.
No.8650
>>8581>Why the hell would they even do that if it wasn't for false flagging purposes and/or to make this board look like gathering place for RL pedos?>actually believing thisYou should take your "shilling" conspiracies back to /pol/.
Do you really thing normals care? That you are better than the "RL" pedos because you only fap to your Chinese cartoons. Does your family know what your doing?
Do you discuss loli with your work colleagues? Lolicon is even illegal in many countries as CP.
No.8672
>>8581That's actually a good point.
No.8673
Hm, I suppose I like the body type of both, but the idea of sex with someone that has the mind of a child is such a turn off it really removes any attraction to real young girls. Adults that have childlike bodies are great though.
No.8691
>>8690
>I'd be participating in rape/child abuse.
Bullshit to the tenth power. Unless you spread it around and violate the victim's personal rights, nothing you'd do with the recorded media makes you participate in a activities that hurt others. What your conscience tells you is one thing, what actually effects someone else is another. This is the same kind of thought process people who want to see lolicon banned entertain.
No.8693
>>8522>You're even samefagging. See:>my proof is that i believe so! No.8696
>>8693Try looking at the namefag's name.
No.8707
I am not a pedophile but I understand paraphilia. I know how pedophiles must feel. Everyone hates you yet you have no control over what you like. Just remember that no matter how much you might love a child, it will always be traumatic for a child who is not ready to engage in sex.
If you feel like you have pedo tendacies go to a psychologist it's much more common than you think and unless you actually abuse a child they won't and can't call police or anything like that. They might refer you to someone who is a specialist in sexual disorders (I know many female psychologists who are mothers are not comfortable dealing with pedophiles) and they will help you learn techniques to manage it help you achieve healthy, fulfilling relationships with someone of your own age.
If you feel you HAVE to watch CP make sure not to download it, possession or distribution is the only way you can get arrested for it.
I personally like Loli because it's cute and innocent porn. I don't like it when it looks like a toddler or younger though, hat just makes me uncomfortable.
No.8738
>>8707>If you feel like you have pedo tendacies go to a psychologist it's much more common than you think and unless you actually abuse a child they won't and can't call police or anything like that. They might refer you to someone who is a specialist in sexual disorders (I know many female psychologists who are mothers are not comfortable dealing with pedophiles) and they will help you learn techniques to manage it help you achieve healthy, fulfilling relationships with someone of your own age.Most mental health professionals don't have a fucking clue how to deal with pedophilia, or even what it is. If you're lucky, they might not try to "cure" you using aversion therapy. If you're really lucky they'll just act as someone you can talk to about your feelings. If you're unlucky, you'll get one of the many who despise pedophiles and report you to the authorities on principle.
>>8707>If you feel you HAVE to watch CP make sure not to download it, possession or distribution is the only way you can get arrested for it. Streaming is downloading. A temporary copy is stored on your computer and could be recovered by computer forensics. Also, every time you access a website with that shit on it, you're opening yourself up to potential browser exploits and other web-based attacks. It's safer to download it once, then store it in an encrypted container. Use deniable encryption to avoid being forced to hand over the encryption keys.
That said, a far better option is to train yourself to fap to fantasies inside your own head. The human mind is capable of rendering far more realistic scenes than any loli artist. Lucid dreaming would be ideal for this.
No.8745
>>8738That is false. Under the law, a psychologist/psychiatrist is required to report you to enforcement authorities if you are a danger to yourself or others. If you say you feel like killing someone, your psych is going to report you, they're not going to wait until you kill someone. These days, psychs are a bunch of moralfags, so they think that pedophilia=child molester. So instead of getting institutionlized like people with violent or suicidal tendencies, you going to jail now!
This is terrible, advice. Do not go to a psychologist/psychiatrist. Unfortunately, there is no help available for pedophiles. Many psychs who know what they're talking about would like to help pedophiles, but their hands are tied by the law.
They tried making pedophilia a sexual orientation so they could help them, but moralfags complained about it and it remains a paraphilia.
In order to change this, the law needs to change. The only way to get the law to change it with the politicians, not the medical professionals.
Let's get something straight.
1.Pedophilia becomes labeled an orientation as it is.
2.Pedophiles will be able to get actual help as the stigmatization will not exist in the medical community.
Where does this start?
3.The academic community is overrun by SJWs, these people do not care about helping pedophiles control their urges, these are the people who cry, "Castrate all pedophiles!"
4.Get the SJWs and Religious people out of academia and leave science to the scientists and you will see a massive improvement.
5.Get corporations to have less power. We already have cancer medicines that would make certain types of cancers less of a problem, but corporations make a profit of using useless long-term treatments, so they don't market these medicines. (For an example of this, look up Ibogaine. MDMA and LSD is another one. LSD can cure migraines, and MDMA can treat Schizophrenia, so why are these drugs illegal?)
6.The last step: Pedophiles will not be stigmatized and propagandized against. Pedophiles will get the treatment they desire. Valid studies can finally be performed into the true effects of pedophilia.
Extra. Perhaps one day we may find that pedophilia isn't the societal poison it is portrayed to be.
No.8746
Why do people who claim to only like 2D get so butthurt when people admit they also like 3D?
You realize normalfags think we're all child murdering child rapists right?
No.8747
>>8746We're in this together, even though some of us don't like to admit that.
No.8748
>>8746It's not the 2d guys getting butthurt, it's the real pedos(3d) trying to convince everybody - including the 2d guys - that they're all equally attracted to children, whether they like to admit it or not. So kindly stfu and stop pretending that "we're all in this together".
No.8749
>>8748That's not true. It's moralfags trying to paint the 2d guys as pedos. Anyone who doesn't use 3dpd id a normie.
No.8750
>>8748The only people who believe that most "2D only" people are truly "2D only" are themselves.
Both normalfags and pedos think you're just in denial. I'm not sure exactly what being so feverishly anti-pedo does for you people.
No.8751
>>8750Pedos do not think that, that would be moralfags. Pedos are tired of people misunderstanding their views, why do you think they would do the same to others?
No.8752
>>8751basically every pedo I ever talked to said im only in denial when they heard im 2D only
No.8753
>>8752Then they are idiots, and okay, I'll concede there may be some pedos who are like that, but the vast majority aren't. Those who like both 2d and 3d can understand why someone is 2d/3d exclusive, but I have to say, in my experience it's moralfags who make this mistake the most. "I" have never met a pedo who said that.
No.8754
>>8751We really do think that. I believe there was a thread on /younglove/ about this too.
>that would be moralfagsNo, that would be normalfags. If you were to go ask the average person if they thought 2D lolicons and 3D lolicons were both pedophiles they'd answer yes.
>Pedos are tired of people misunderstanding their views, why do you think they would do the same to others?I can't speak for other pedos on this point, but I think it's annoying when people who are fapping to drawn children have the audacity to claim they aren't doing something pedophilic in the slightest.
No.8755
>>8754It's also normalfags, I didn't say that they don't. I just mentioned moralfags because they are the worst offenders. Normalfags don't think about this shit normally, it never really comes to mind with them. It does with moralfags though.
No.8764
>>8754Pedo is defined in most cultures and medical journals as exclusive attraction to real children, not a subset of child like or neotenic attributes.
Real children are missing some key properties that separate them from the depictions in lolicon in 95% of the cases, namely a heightened interest in sex, increased resilience to physical trauma(taking a cock pounding without problems) and most importantly, the cognitive faculties to comprehend and instinctively display sexual behavior. Anthropomorphization, changing the appearance or character of an object or lifeform to give it a human-like qualities, is another key ingredient for some people who're into loli but not 3d. You can sexualize anything that way, furries being the prime exaple here. Fapping to a sexy toaster with a charming character doesn't mean you'd fuck a real one. You'd maybe do it if there were sentient toasters with the mental and physical qualities comparable to the porn you fapped to, but generally speaking, there aren't any. Pic sorta related.
A lion share of the kids you meet during your life will not exhibit those properties. If that happens to be something you require to find childlike beings attractive and real life children fail to display these properties on average, then you're not a pedo. It's like saying someone's a carnophile for loving cheeseburgers. Yeah, meat's part of the burger, but so is all the other stuff that makes up one. Someone liking cheeseburgers doesn't automatically mean he likes every kind of meat on the planet.
If pedophile meant being attracted to sexually mature, but mentally still naive and innocent young humans with a prepubescent physique, then you may have a point. But it doesn't.
It might be hard to grasp for most people, but some actually fap to something without having the urge to stick their dick into it in real life. Does fapping to SS mean you have a real life Oedipus complex? No, it may mean that you find the concept fascinating, the social taboo enticing, can relate to the characters and want them to be happy, find the style in which they are depicted appealing, and so forth. The way something is depicted or described is part of the reason no one seems to have a problem with romanticizing war in the media.
Do I think real kids showing an interest in sex with older people would involuntarily get traumatized, no matter the circumstances? Fuck no. Am I of the opinion that somewhere there are some mature 10yo's that would like to mess around with adults just for fun? Yea.
Does it mean I want to find and fuck them, or turn any kid I find in any way, shape of form pretty/cute/likeable into one of the aforementioned? No.
So yes, some people can fap to loli without exhibiting any pedophile(the standard definition of it, anyway) criteria.
No.8770
>>8764>Real children are missing some key properties that separate them from the depictions in lolicon in 95% of the cases, namely a heightened interest in sex, increased resilience to physical trauma(taking a cock pounding without problems) and most importantly, the cognitive faculties to comprehend and instinctively display sexual behavior.Please…
No.8773
>>8764You just summarized my entire point of view right there. Thank you for doing so. I will save this comment for future reference. Thank you once again.
No.8775
>>8764>Pedo is defined in most cultures and medical journals as exclusive attraction to real children, not a subset of child like or neotenic attributes.Cite these definitions. The only ones I could find that are even remotely close to what you said are the medical and legal definitions of pedophilia which basically means child rape. Other bodies such as the DSM and APA even include someone who "has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty."
So please show some claims.
>a heightened interest in sexThat is entirely dependent on what experiences a child has had, that is unless you believe child thai prostitutes who have formal sex training don't exist in reality.
>increased resilience to physical trauma(taking a cock pounding without problems)Again, entirely dependent on their prior sexual experiences. Just like you can make your ass take things by training it the same can be done for a vagina.
>the cognitive faculties to comprehend and instinctively display sexual behavior.Child sexuality is documented behavior, just not well studied. So yes, children have some concept of sex, even if it's not as refined as an adult.
To address all three of those points though, none of them are requirements for being a 2D loli. There are many pieces of erotic loli media which feature lolis who are not sexually promiscuous, do express pain from the act of sex, and don't have any idea what is going on. A great example of the first and last is "The Light of Tsukimi Manor" where the loli in question is tricked into doing sexual things while being completely clueless.
>Anthropomorphization, changing the appearance or character of an object or lifeform to give it a human-like qualities, is another key ingredient for some people who're into loli but not 3d. You can sexualize anything that way, furries being the prime exaple here. Fapping to a sexy toaster with a charming character doesn't mean you'd fuck a real one. The core elements remain the same between 2D and 3D when it comes to loli. Some examples of these elements are the people depicted being children, innocence, inexperience, child-like bodies and proportions, and other things such as objectives or actives which reinforces the loli being a child. I doubt there is anyone who is fapping to loli only because it's 2D while excluding ALL of the previously listed elements. People are getting off to the content, not the medium on which that content is portrayed.
>A lion share of the kids you meet during your life will not exhibit those properties. If that happens to be something you require to find childlike beings attractive and real life children fail to display these properties on average, then you're not a pedo.The only thing that makes you a pedo is if you have an attraction to prepubescent children. It's that simple. I don't understand where you were trying to go with this logic, but it doesn't matter because it's wrong regardless.
>If pedophile meant being attracted to sexually mature, but mentally still naive and innocent young humans with a prepubescent physique, then you may have a point. But it doesn't.It's not a requirement to be sexually mature when it comes to what is and isn't a 2D loli. I don't see why you made that statement unless you were trying to argue that as being true.
>some actually fap to something without having the urge to stick their dick into it in real lifeIt's not a requirement for a pedophile to have ever touched a child. Using your logic, someone who faps exclusively to child models on youtube is not a pedophile.
The rest of your post is pretty much covered by what I typed already.
No.8777
>>8764Nobody is attracted to "real children". Nobody is attracted to "real women" or "real men" either. The body doesn't have a magic "is this a real human" sense organ. All our sexual attractions are based on various criteria applied to our normal sensory input. When you say pedophiles are attracted to children, that means they're attracted to the head-to-body ratio, the spacing and size of facial features, etc.
To be honest most people seem to think about the whole idea of sexual attraction in a really fucking stupid way. You take very human concepts like "child" and assume that those are the basic units on which sexuality is based. Instead, you should start by asking "how would I program a computer to identify potential mates" and work from there. You guys think that sexuality can be divided neatly into little boxes with nice one-word labels which match perfectly with your interpretation of the world, but it's just as fuzzy and diverse as any biological system. You argue semantics, but the biology doesn't care about what words you use to label parts of it. It's frankly a miracle that so many humans turn out as "normal" as they do.
No.8779
>>8775I will not engage in a quoting war with you, since you seem hell bent on putting everyone on the same pedestal in terms of mental state.
I'm just going to give you one example of an aspect lolicon has for me personally that no real kid will ever possess.
Everybody knows the stereotype of the hung black guy having a superior libido and stamina compared to your average white guy. It's the main focus of all interracial porn, naturally.
The way lolicon is depicted in manga and anime has set up up a chain of associations in my head making me subconsciously equate a difference in body size with a the amount of pleasure the receiving party is experiencing. That is just one example of abstract values enabling someone to enjoy something in fiction they would not in real life. There are many others, some of which I've already named and some of which I haven't.
My fapping time is pretty evenly distributed between loli, furry, milf, shota and a couple of other genres I can't be arsed to think of right now. Masturbating to all of these fantasies, each possibly allowing me to enjoy them because of abstract associations my brain has made due to the way in which the content has been perceived, doesn't make a pedo, furry, sadist, or what else have you. It [i]possibly[/i] makes me all of the above, but it doesn't categorically make me all of that. Add to that the fact that I never, and I mean NEVER insert myself in any of my fantasies because doing so makes me feel disgusted and brings something that is in the realm of idealism and fantasy into the real world.
Going back to lolicon, solo pics of girls I don't find in any way attractive, apart from the technical qualities of the image and the aesthetics.
Go ahead and keep trying to convince everybody that we're all here because of the same reason, if it makes you feel less alone, but it doesn't change that we're not all pedos, not in the medical sense(which requires a [b]predominant[/b] interest in children anyway) and not in any other rational sense.
No.8781
>>8777Being platonically attracted to children in parental way, which has its own set of identifiers and criteria, is a perfectly reasonable concept a large group of people can identify with. This does not mean that those people have healthy pedophile tendencies, but simply that they're well adjusted members of a social group that values the welfare of its offspring to a high degree.
A real(as in 3D) pedophile's sexual attraction to the set of child-defining features is physical and responsive to depictions of real life sexualized children. They may or may or not include a platonic attraction or the depictions of fictional children, but the set of qualities a child has to have to arouse a pedo is simply not always equal to the set of qualities lolicon has to have in order to aroused someone who's just into lolicon. There's a difference, which is what
>>8775 is vehemently arguing against.
Yes, sexuality's a spectrum, but definitions of paraphilia are not. You can't be "10% pedophile" and "90% teleiophile". These terms have definitions and criteria and if you(royal, not personal) want to use those words to describe someone you're best to adhere to them, otherwise they become meaningless.
No.8804
>>8777> Nobody is attracted to "real children". Nobody is attracted to "real women" or "real men" either. The body doesn't have a magic "is this a real human" sense organ. All our sexual attractions are based on various criteria applied to our normal sensory input. When you say pedophiles are attracted to children, that means they're attracted to the head-to-body ratio, the spacing and size of facial features, etc.Exactly this. What i see alot ITT:
"Hey, i like this child-like drawing BUT THESE SICK FUCKS WHO FEEL ATTRACTED TO REAL KIDS ARE FAR WORSE!"
No.8805
>>8781I don't know what you're trying to say when you talk about platonic attraction. I don't disagree with you, but it seems unrelated to this debate.
Also, I wasn't actually arguing in favor of the "everyone's a pedo" side. I was more arguing that everyone's getting angry over words which have no relation to the reality of sexual attraction. It's like an argument over where the boundary between red and orange is on an RGB color chart.
Also,
>>8804 makes a good point that a lot of posts in this thread are needlessly hostile to pedophiles. The discussion would be more civil if one side didn't see the other side as evil monsters.
No.8806
>>>8781>Yes, sexuality's a spectrum, but definitions of paraphilia are not. You can't be "10% pedophile" and "90% teleiophile".This is pretty much completely wrong. First, pedophilia is a sexuality, not a paraphalia. The DSM actually classified it as a sexuality for a brief period, but then changed it back because of the public outcry against it. Their classification is based on fear of ignorant mobs, not science.
Second, the idea of continuous scales of sexuality is quite well established. The Kinsey Scale (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) is the best example, and is accepted by academics. I see no reason why the same sort of thing couldn't be used for the pedophilia-hebephilia-teleiophilia spectrum, aside from the afore mentioned ignorant mobs.
No.8808
>>8804That's funny, because it's the 3D folks who go around claiming moral superiority for being honest about their preference as opposed to the 2D fans who just live in denial.
Whether 2D pedos are also 3D pedos or not depends on what definition one uses. 2D folks reject the label in the sense of 'a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.' That's a pretty high bar to clear even where 3D is concerned, so of course many 2D fans truly don't meet the criteria.
Those who want to browbeat 2D pedos into admitting they're 3D ones as well are using pedophile in the colloquial sense, where getting a hard-on for an attractive 17-year-old means you're an irredeemable sicko. Yes, we're all pedophiles in that sense, just like everyone is a retarded faggot too.
>>8805>The discussion would be more civil if one side didn't see the other side as evil monsters.The nature of the discussion itself is uncivil, because people are being accused of lying when they have no reason to. What exactly is it that fans of fictional loli characters would stand to lose in this environment by breaking down and admitting that they just want to bone real kids, if that were really how they felt?
No.8809
>>8808For the record, I was criticizing the popular usage of pedophile as a nebulously defined generic insult, and didn't mean to make it sound as though I believe actual pedophiles are irredeemable sickos.
No.8833
op, the little girl in pic is cute. but wouldnt fuck her, im a NEET fag that doesnt like real women.
No.8849
My opinions on this have been shifting.
I know I dont like kids, I'm not sexually attracted to them. But to some degree I have difficulty enjoying any sort of material that tries to be too photorealistic while at the same time said material still has an attractive quality to me. I know that its probably the size difference or body type that gets me. Thats why I like shortstack porn.
I try to avoid porn material that leans too hard on the real life issue. Which is why wondersquare is so enjoyable to me. Its absurd at points and even funny. But I'm stuck in that I find myself unable to progress too far down the loli path in Unalterbach because the game jokes with the real life issue while having fun with its setting and being generally off the wall. It has just a little too much in making the child characters act like actual children though I may be projecting.
Additionally, I dont have kids, but I have a little brother and I enjoy working with kids assuming they arent little shits. It makes me want to have kids of my own, to raise them right. In that area nothing sexual crosses my mind. The idea of it horrifies me.
But then something odd happens, I have a wierd dream or something like last night. I had a lolidom dream. Now I have no control over what a dream looks like so it all looked real, like a real person, and while I didnt do it the contents of the dream bother me. Even if I had reasoned against doing something.
Its not something you can talk about with people. I saw a psychiatrist for a while and I couldn't even say that I masturbate frequently.
No.8858
In the UK, there was recently a documentary on pedophiles "coming out", calling for treatment to be available before offences are committed.
In particular, this documentary encourages the view that paedophilia is a medical disorder, one that needs drug or intensive therapy in order to treat, a sexual preference formed by complex circumstances that can be cured.
My question to you all is: If treatment was available anonymously to you, would you take it?
No.8861
>>8858Since the majority here aren't pedophiles, I'd say "no".
No.8863
>>8858we actually have programs like that in Germany but I wouldn't use it since its 2D only
No.8864
>>8858I think if a person is a pedophile, and so much so that they would act on their impulses then they should seek help. So I'm for this.
But I'm nowhere near pedophile so no for me
No.8865
>>8858>In particular, this documentary encourages the view that having a left arm is a medical disorder, one that needs intensive surgery in order to treat, a bizarre mutation formed by complex circumstances that can be cured.So no. Letting other people decide what "sick" means is stupid.
No.8866
>>8858I am. But since it is no huge nuisance factor in my life, i wouldn't take such a treatment.
However i habe no"urges" i feel i can't control - in that case i might think different.
>>8864Pedophile and "child abuser" should be seen as two different axis. One can be a pedophile his whole life without touching one, and sick people rape children without necessarily beeing pedophile.
No.8869
>>8866Unfortunately, this is not a view thats popular or widely held.
Given that powerful lobbies are trying to push harder the idea of rape culture and the demonisation of men as sex offenders, and paedophiles as a safe target to attack to appear strong, I think its fairly likely that this "treatment complex" will only become more common.
Given the "average joe" can't tell the difference between a non-abusing paedophile, a child-abuser, and someone who enjoys japanese childrun cartoons, what makes all of you so sure that this treatment wont become a compulsory choice- this or prison?
No.8883
>>8858>that can be cured.While they're at it they can cure all the gays too. Gay sex/porn is illegal in plenty of places, so it must be a disease which needs curing, right?
If they want to fuck around inside my head, they're going to have to kill me first.
No.8885
>>8858Fuck no. Would YOU take treatment to change YOUR sexuality? Fuck the rest of the world; I can keep it in my pants and they can stay the fuck out of my head.
No.8888
I think it's possible to suppress your attraction to 3d by using 2d as an outlet. Society has taught us to be disgusted by pedophilia, so we find comfort in harmless happy drawings that couldn't possibly be related to real child abuse.
I always feel happier looking at a 2d loli, but with 3d lolis, my penis won't lie, I am more aroused
No.8890
>>8888those are some nice numbers m8
No.8934
>>8888Quads speak the truth. 2D is a great way for pedophiles to satisfy their sexual desires in a safe and ethical way.
It's a shame that
some governments seem to want to prevent that by making loli illegal. That couldn't possibly back fire or anything…
No.8963
>>8888>>8934Speaking of which, when has banning anything ever worked? Prohibition sure worked back in the Golden 20s didn't it?
As the quads post said, for those solely into 2D, there's obviously no harm done. For those also into 3D or finding themselves more attracted to 3D, loli content provides a great outlet that doesn't involve abuse or anyone getting hurt at all. It's a safe way to satisfy sexual desires without the production of things that involve harming real children, and can help suppress the desires of those who have an attraction to both fictional 2D loli and real 3D loli. The drawings are harmless and a safe outlet as mentioned by the quads post, for both those into 2D and those also into 3D.
I won't lie, admittedly I'm attracted to both 2D and 3D.
No.8966
>>8963Democracy doesn't lead to governments which solve problems efficiently. It leads to governments which run PR campaigns and only care about fooling people into believing they are competent rather than actually making anyone's lives better.
If the population was highly intelligent and taught to recognise propaganda, then the system might work. Currently though, it's just a mess of stupid decisions being compounded by yet more stupid decisions and used to justify downright evil decisions.
No.8967
2d only here, real kids disgust me and people who abuse them disgust me more
No.8981
>>8967what about people that doesn't abuse them ?
No.8994
>>8981Uh, the believe that child sex requires one to abuse is the central stigma to the entire child porn/child abuse/pedo/lolicon witch hunt culture in need to be resolved if modern society ever wants to deal with child sexuality on a rational level.
No.9421
>>8282What if it is the "bug face" that people find attractive.
Most click bait one page porn sites use pics of adults that look very young with no face shown, because the actual body difference is negligible.
If the face is the root of the attraction, and the face of the anime girl is different then one can be attracted to one but not the other.
No.9424
>>9421It's also the subconscious knowledge that they're enjoying it as opposed to real cp, where chances are pretty high that the kid gets pressured into doing what they're doing.
No.9774
I'm very much into real little girls, myself. Would I ever act? If I knew I could get away with it, you bet. Never say laws don't influence behavior, they do.
No.9798
>>8408So what? The question is one of ethics. Who cares if pedos get off to a picture of a girl doing something normal? As long as she's not being harmed or forced to do something against her will, there's nothing wrong with that.
No.9811
>>9774Therapy would help far more than the current legal system. It might deter some people, but it does so in a very crude way. It would be far better to offer people the emotional support and alternative outlets necessary to avoid offending in the first place.
Instead we see various western countries going to great lengths to make it harder for pedophiles to seek help without putting themselves at great risk.
No.9813
No.9821
>>8764Some kids
are crazy for sex. Ever heard of "Uncle Anon", the guy whose 9 year old niece was almost literally begging for sex from him?
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Uncle_AnonIn this case, for example, I think some heavy petting would not harm the girl in any way, and in fact would make her feel appreciated and physically satisfied.
No.9826
>>9821At this point it would be no longer the concern of whether or not she can give consent but what she wants, how much she wants it and what the guy could do without hurting her. A girl being able to take an older guy is also really dependent on the physical state of development, obviously, especially with kids around 9/10 on the verge of puberty.
But yeah, in such an "ideal", clear cut case, the biggest danger for the kid(and the guy) would ironically be society's stigma of acting like one just threw a lighter on thermite hill for bringing up the words "sex" and "children" in the same sentence.
No.9942
>>9821>>9826>Some kids are crazy for sex. Ever heard of "Uncle Anon", the guy whose 9 year old niece was almost literally begging for sex from him?Let's please not use /b/ stories as a metric for real life.
But let's say it's real. There's a reason why kids aren't legally allowed to give consent for themselves and it's because they're really, really stupid. Even the most precocious lolis are still underdeveloped when it comes to abstract/hypothetical thinking and deductive reasoning, and even when they gain those cognitive faculties, they still lack impulse control, planning ability, etc. (consider about how stupid older adolescents are despite being about as cognitively capable as an adult). Lewd things with kids, even those begging for it, isn't sound if we're going by child development research. They're too easy to manipulate and they don't know what's good for them. It's best not to risk it. Yeah yeah, "it's only harmful because society says it is!" but we live in a society like that, at least for now. This is coming from not only a lolicon, but a pedo. I hate to be the wet blanket, but that's just the way it is.
Lolicon, okay! No touch! Please suffer silently!
No.9944
>>9942>Please suffer silently!BS. Way too easy to manipulate? Who the hell do you think you are to determine when someone is too easy to manipulate? If that's your main metric for determining AoC laws, you might just want to up it to 40, because there are a lot of dumb, 25yo bimbos out there who're stupid enough to get talked into having sex with people they regret for years to come. Designing laws by looking at averages might be an effective way to create a safe environment for the majority of people, but that's never what pedos should accept as the best possible situation for them.
Society and the law should just as much cater to the needs and rights of the individual, not the majority.
Pedos shouldn't take the "never touch, never speak up" credo as a life lesson if they want to change anything about the way society treats them or sexually mature children.
No one is saying pedos should go out and grope any kid they start to find in any way attractive. Not because its bad for kids, but because it would be equally wrong for adults to do that to each other.
Fortunately, recent history has served us with a hand full of pedos that aren't self-hating cowards(not using that as insult, most people would be in their situation) and have had relationships with younger kids 10-14yo, relationships the kids' parents gave their blessing over in most cases, challenging the law and established convention that the only way for pedophilia to lived out is in a mental, non-active way.
So, yeah. Don't grope random kids, but don't just dogmatize a general common sense rule either, and don't accept that your interests are fundamentally harmful and incompatible with the human condition.
Shit like
>>9942 makes me fucking angry. Thank god I'm not a pedo, because if I were and would come to accept what that guy said at any point I'd probably off myself in a bout of self-hatred and depression.
No.9950
>>9944>If that's your main metric for determining AoC laws, you might just want to up it to 40, because there are a lot of dumb, 25yo bimbos out there who're stupid enough to get talked into having sex with people they regret for years to come.Base rate fallacy. Obviously an exception to the rule that does your argument no favors. So because adults can be manipulated in some cases, we should open the floodgates to even more-easily manipulated children? Or are you so deluded as to think that it ISN'T easier to manipulate them? Cognitive tests would show you what's up right quick. At any rate, my metric is more reliable than yours, whatever that is (internet stories?).
It's ironic, because you're kind of right. The average brain doesn't stop maturing until the mid-20s. We should actually defer consent until then if we wanted to be safe, but if you'll notice, the age at which things are "alright" varies depending on the thing and people will always be stupid. People have figured that 16-21 is a safe range where people are smart enough to make some decisions for themselves. Is it perfect? No. But it works better than letting 10 year olds drive cars and drink booze and have sex with you.
>Designing laws by looking at averages might be an effective way to create a safe environment for the majority of peopleIt makes no sense to design laws otherwise. Laws SHOULD serve the majority in any democratic sense. Know why? Because serving the majority means serving the majority of INDIVIDUALS. Please don't get it confused: What you want is an /exception/. I'm not saying all laws are just. The reason why shit is so fucked all the time is because laws are UNJUST; they serve the interests of a few (i.e. /the exception/). Child-fucking laws are NOT an example of unjust laws. Most people don't want to fuck kids and for good reason; kids aren't exactly made for fucking.
>recent history has served us with a hand full of pedos that aren't self-hating cowards(not using that as insult, most people would be in their situation) and have had relationships with younger kids 10-14yo, relationships the kids' parents gave their blessing over in most casesUh huh, and we've had just as many, if not more, that involve coercion, manipulation, and outright rape. Your point? Way to poison the well, by the way.
Most 10 year olds don't understand the nuances of social dynamics yet and you're telling me they can understand the implications and responsibilities of a romantic relationship? Be realistic for a second, HH.
Think about what you need for "consent": ability to understand the situation presented, to think ahead, plan, and factor in possible consequences, to logically deduce the best course of action, emotional soundness, freedom from coercion, etc. You're talking about kids who are most likely too young to even understand what abstract concepts like "consent" mean and you're saying they can consent? Seriously, find a 10 year old and try to discuss the ethics of kid fucking and see how well they keep up. It wouldn't be like this conversation we're having, that's for sure.
>sexually mature childrenWhat the fuck does this even mean. Pedophilia is by definition an attraction to pre-pubescent children. Even if you wanna ride the line, the onset of puberty (e.g., menarche for females) is NOT a sign of sexual maturity. It only marks the /beginning/ of sexual development. Most girls will finish by the late teens. Some a little earlier, some a little later. By the time they are "sexually mature" they aren't even lolis anymore at which point we are discussing separate paraphilias. I like lolis because they AREN'T sexually mature (but still precocious and promiscuous).
I was being facetious when I said "suffer silently." I'm not even saying that it's impossible to have an intimate, romantic relationship with a child. Under very ideal circumstances, I think it could work, like a more involved sort of mentor relationship, maybe (one that involves teaching s-sex!). But that's the ideal. In the real world, people fuck up kids.
Make no mistake, we should strive to open the dialogue to this. Absolutely no doubt. I hate that you can't talk about pedophilia without people giving you weird looks at best and hate at worst. I hate that people treat it like some sort of disease. But if we're going to argue for pedophilia, you can't use the arguments you're currently using. They reek of a "I wanna fuck little kids" sort of self-absorbed logic. Kids are not adults and we shouldn't treat them like adults. This unfortunately extends to the matter of consent.
No.9953
>>9950You make good points, but have you spent a lot of time with kids? They're a lot more capable that you, and we as a society give them credit for.
You can discredit me for this right now because I have no evidence that's not anecdotal hearsay, but I think that kids may be so dumb these days simply because we expect them to be. We coddle them and keep subjects out of bounds because "You'll learn that when you're older", and stunt their growth to the lowest common denominator. You can see this in public schools, which can be very restrictive to even an average student. And excel programs are often few and underfunded.
We split kids off from real life so much we forget their people too, though that really feed into your point. It doesn't really matter IF kids can be smarter and capable of consent, only that the majority in our society right now, cannot.
I guess what you can take away is that I think child sexuality is more of a societal issue than a biological one.
No.9957
>>9942I agree with you, but that problem stems from the way our society views sex. We think of it as huge taboo issue which we need to tiptoe around. We think that sex is dangerous and that anyone who has a bad experience involving sex is permanently traumatized. Our media is filled with suggestive content, but most people feel embarrassed and self-conscious about their own sexual experiences.
I think everyone would be a lot happier if sex was seen as it really is: a standard biological function of healthy humans, the details of which differ from person to person.
No.9963
I like both, but it's not like I'm salivating at the thought of being around little girls, heck, I do spend time with children and I don't longer try to suppress a boner. I did get them before, but my self-acceptance and thinking "this shit is sick, man" has made me control it. Plus, loli is another great way to control it.
I'm not gonna advocate for acceptance of this shit among normalfags because you need to be a special brand of stupid to think they'd accept it.
Aside from thinking how wrong it is, I start thinking how much I would fuck up my life and career if I decided to act on what my dick tells me.
I want a successful job career, I want a normal, boring life with a normal, loving family. I've been able to resist the urges for years, and now I'm unfazed with 3D girls. I do think "she's cute/hot" at times, but it never goes past that anymore, nor will I be a nervous, blubbering mess if I have to talk to one.
What about horny girls or girls that want to have sex? I've never encountered one, but I think they should explore their sexuality with boys their age or close their age. I wouldn't even dare to touch her if she told me she wants to fuck me. She must have serious issues if she wants to fuck guys 10 years older than them, I'd be worried about her instead, she must have shitty guardians or adults around her for sure.
No.10004
>>9963>I'm not gonna advocate for acceptance of this shit among normalfags because you need to be a special brand of stupid to think they'd accept it.Someone living in the 18th century would have to be a special brand of stupid to think that homosexuality would be publicly celebrated by millions of people, yet here we are.
The fact that people are currently so bigoted and antagonistic towards a certain sexuality - even people who never act on that sexuality - is precisely the reason why we need to advocate for acceptance of it.
I don't blame you for not wanting to stick your neck out though. I wouldn't discuss this stuff in real life either.
No.10006
>>9963Dude, little girls crush on older guys ALL THE TIME. They're not craving' the "D" or anything but the attraction is there, children aren't pedophiles.
And encouraging children to have sex with other children if they have those urges is really bad. We don't teach them fuck all about sex, and a child with a high sex drive can EASILY manipulate even children their age into all kinds of things.
So whats better, a child with a high sex drive manipulating other children into sexual situations, or that child working out those feelings with an adult who knows the boundaries and nuances of sexual relations?
No.10007
>>10006Be that as it may, I'd prefer to keep my dick away from a little horny girl and prefer her to have sex with someone near her age, even if that has its own set of issues and cons, at least I'm not losing my job or a chance for a normal life that way.
My problem is that society doesn't accept and won't accept an adult actively dicking a little for quite a while, and even if we kept it secret, the girl may spill the beans at some point or another by accident, which would make it extremely stressful for you. Not to mention that if the relationship goes sour, the girl may tell someone you raped or convinced her to do these things, and you know they'll believe her even if she's lying.
And even if tomorrow they passed a law where they're fully legal to fuck, I still wouldn't do it, because there's a very small part in my brain that's stopping me from doing it. Again, parents or guardians wouldn't suddenly find it OK to let their kids have sex with someone much older than them, plus, I think people would blow their lid off badly. Because they've been pressured, shamed, crucified and ridiculed for so much, instead of finding it liberating, they'd start doing kids in a sick way of vengeance, and instead of having a healthy, loving relationship with a little girl, they'd be convincing them into gangbangs, orgies, and much worse things.
And yes, I'm aware little girls are attracted to adults, hell, it happens to me, people tell me at parties or gatherings that their daughters told them they found me handsome or attractive, and turns out they're 12-16. They might find it cute or charming, but I'm gonna get a slap at best if I told them that they're daughters are alluring or gorgeous.
No.10024
I'm actually not attracted to kids at all, I just like to imagine myself in the position of the loli. I started masturbation very young, so it feels natural to slip into those kinds of fantasies. I don't tell anyone about it. I know they'd think I was some kind of pedo.
No.10590
>>7067>never holdnever say never.
soon.
No.10773
Its true for some people, is not for others.
I personally find anything 3D not just disgusting but kinda useless
No.10775
I used to like 3D but now I can only see the future old woman they will be/the disgusting human they deep down are and my boner dies.
It also helps that I developed hatred for people in general.
No.10793
These topics will never get old.
Yes, sexuality is very complicated, the most complicated thing in the world.
There will never be a fitting generalization besides, besides everyone has some kind of sexual desire or none at all.
None of you will be able to find a solution for this where universities and armies of psychologists work on for several decades now.
Stop making those threads, the outcome is "ALWAYS" the same.
No.10807
>>7275fuck I'm almost in tears
No.10839
>>7057*clapping*
Welcome to freedom
No.10840
>>10839Freedom is just another word
for "nothing left to lose"
No.10844
>>10840What? no, I meant it in the context of it is now harder for him to be manipulated
No.11420
>>7046Literally none, ever. I think real ones are disgusting from an erotic standpoint.
I sometimes get fatherly/tender emotions toward them, and sometimes they're adorable, but it's distinctly non-sexual.
No.11422
>>70672d will never send me to prison (for now)
No.11434
>>9942You fail to realize that children have guardians and in a more open society a child's guardians can affirm a child's consent to make sure they aren't being manipulated and just enjoying the experience and having fun.
Sexual contact that is consensual is not harmful to children. Rubbing, kissing, licking, light penetration is not harmful to children and when they consent is a great thing for them. Sexual pleasure releases hormones hat promote bonding, reduce stress, and barring negative social impact overall are a good thing for any human of any age.
No.11436
HERE ARE THE FACTS:
Sexual contact, by itself, that is consented and reasonable (not trying to stick your dick in a kids ass or vagina) is not harmful to any human (also barring disease).
However, sexual contact with a child when consented is still treated as the most brutal rape and that sociogenic harm is real. If they go to therapy they are subject to iatrogenic and sociogenic harm.
Kids are easier to manipulate (some of you here are ridiculous though, kids always let it be known when they don't like something or don't want to do it) which is why kids have guardians who are meant to guide them and make sure they are safe. Such a guardian can protect a child from a bad pedo.
Kids like sexual contact, however socially they are very repressed. Even with this repression, if you get close to a child they will often express a desire to mutually explore sexually. Many times I have been asked to rub, touch, or kiss a vagina or to allow the girl to touch my penis. I always say no because of the aboved mentioned sociogenic and iatrogenic harm, but children are very sexually and quite lewd if their sexuality is not suppressed by adults.
No.11596
Another reason I stay away from horny 3D little girls is that they'd have you by the balls.
Maybe you get away with it, she sucks your dick or you plow her, it's all fine and dandy. She sees it as not harmful at all, but if she ever says by accident that she had sex with Anon, an adult, her parents and authorities will flip their tits. And now, instead of the girl thinking that the sex was fun, is gonna be bombarded nonstop by hysterical people telling her what a traumatic experience she just had, over time actually believing this and becoming traumatized by her guardians, not the sex itself.
Or maybe, she starts getting wrong ideas. You break up with her for whatever reason, but what if she thinks "I'll fuck him up and shout rape?". Even if you never did anything bad to her, they'll still believe her.
No.11680
Not true. I think those people are in denial. That said, I stay away from 3d.
No.12886
>>7086i'd say before 2020 even.
No.12887
>>8362I know I'm late, but I guess I'll be the responsible one here and actually reply properly. While I somewhat disagree the 3d is superior (it's only just behind 2d), I still firmly agree that 3d loli's are great to be around and admire. The people who say that they are disgusting obviously just don't put up with people well in general. Of course they aren't going to be perfect all the time like you imagine your 2d loli's would be, but even when they aren't at their finest there is still plenty to admire about a 3d loli.
I agree about the part on sexualizing loli's since the main reason for my attraction to both 2d and 3d loli's is there cuteness.
Couldn't agree more with you on that last part there. There's never a reason why you should hurt a loli. It's also those people that end up giving pedophiles a bad name. That just gives me all the more reason to hate them on top of them taking advantage of and harming innocent children.
No.12919
>>12886Let's look at the requirements:
>But 2d can never hold you and cuddle up and kiss and tell you how amazing you are and how much they love you c:Holding, cuddling and kissing require a humanoid physical body which is sufficiently realistic to make you feel like you're hugging a real person. The technology to do that is decades away at minimum.
Telling you they love you is easy if you do it with pre-recorded scripts, but extremely hard if you go the AI route. The AI route would be the only satisfying one, and we're probably a century or more away from that.
No.12928
>>8269Especially given there are really effeminate twinks out there who passed well as girls
No.12931
>>8745The SJWs aren't antipedo. It's the moralfags who are
No.12940
>>1293199% of SJWs are anti-pedo if the pedo happens to be male. If they're female then it becomes a more divisive issue.
No.12944
>>9821Also dont forget "Melissa" or C&C-San Fuckin his 13 y/o cousin in 2007 or so also posted on /b/
No.12950
>>12940I've seen some pro pedophilia sjws even for males.
No.12952
>>12950I think I've seen one too, but they were definitely on the less crazy end of the SJW spectrum.
No.13016
I'll never really understand how people can find underage girl bodies sexy when drawn, but then somehow feel repulsed by seeing the real life equivalent that looks nearly identical.
Can anyone seriously explain this?
Still, I guess people like what they like and that's all that matters anyway.
No.13021
>>13016>that looks nearly identical. because this is in no way true.
No.13023
>>13021so completely identical?
No.13057
>>13021just the face is unrealistic the body especialy on artists that care fore detail is almost 1/1.
No.13058
>>13021>>13057Even the face is designed to be an exaggerated version of a child's. All the features which are exaggerated are the ones which distinguish children from adults (head:body ratio, size of eyes, prominence of nose, etc.).
No.13059
>>13058same goes for makeup trying to mimic a childs face XP..
No.13060
Loli with childbearing hips, face of a loli goddess, and extremely seductive but innocent at the same time? Unless you're from an alternate universe, I don't think we kind find these features on an underaged girl…
No.13061
>>13060if you open your eyes you will find it on almost every 10-12yo
No.13063
>>13061srsly there are girls with hips way to big..
I even saw real life usa mimi once
No.14763
There's this misunderstanding that enjoying porn has to be rooted in simple direct sexual impulses toward something.
But that's wrong. There are plenty of people that get off on abstract concepts (take incest porn, for example)
The way I see this debate, there's a group of people that has this immediate, instinctually-based attraction to children (and who for that reason enjoy lolicon) and there's a group of people who are into lolicon the same way someone can be into incest, inflation, transformation, corruption, unbirthing, mind control, whatever. As an acquired sexual fetish.
The reason why I feel I have reason to believe this, is because I've done a lot of very honest soul searching since I take the subject very seriously(I work with children) - and I've come to the conclusion that I find real children pretty much entirely unsexual, and mostly sort of gross really. Pretty but not hot, at best.
But I'll be damned if I'm not into messy large penetration toddlercon if it's drawn by a half-decent artist or modelled in 3D or whatever.
There just comes a point where it gets too real and it starts to gross me out.
So based on that, since I believe those of you who say you are indeed totally into kids, I can conclude that there must exist at least two different groups of people who enjoy the subject matter of this board for different reasons.
No.14764
Better to say that Real-Life /= to Drawn/Computer-generated pictures.
No.14768
>>14763Same here. I most likely got into lolicon because of my large insertion fetish. It's due to the size difference.
I've seen the real stuff get posted on halfchan's /b/ before and I had to honestly ask myself if I found any of it attractive, and I don't.
The thing about 2d is that it's often highly stylized and has a certain idealistic standard that real stuff can't meet up with.
Anime lolis have adult-ish teeth, real children don't. They often have those crooked pebble sized razors they call teeth.
Hell I'm into freaking toddlercon and Real toddlers are just handheld Buddhas. Not sexy.
2d is not 3d.
Futanari is women that look like women but with dicks.
Real shamales often look like men.
BBW hentai girls look nice and soft and smooth. Real BBWs often have stretchmark scars and multiple chins instead of a neck.
Same for furry shit. The 3D stuff is just an autistic guy wearing a rejected sports mascot outfit.
No.14780
>>14763>The way I see this debate, there's a group of people that has this immediate, instinctually-based attraction to children (and who for that reason enjoy lolicon) and there's a group of people who are into lolicon the same way someone can be into incest, inflation, transformation, corruption, unbirthing, mind control, whatever. As an acquired sexual fetish.I don't think either of those groups exist the way you describe them.
Nobody has an "instinctually-based attraction to children". Our DNA doesn't have the slightest fucking clue what a child is or looks like. All human sexuality is just variations of a neural network designed to give pleasure in response to certain patterns of stimuli. The average heterosexual man isn't attracted to women - he's just attracted to patterns of stimuli which happen to be matched by most women. If evolution selected for men who wanted to fuck particle accelerators we'd evolve to find features of those attractive, even though nature doesn't know what one is. Abnormal sexualities are just variations in the behaviour of this neural network.
"Fetish" is just another way to describe a particularly anomalous pattern of input which tricks our minds into becoming aroused. We've already discovered that artificial neural networks can be tricked in this way (
http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.1897), so it's unsurprising that the human brain can be similarly tricked. I don't think it's useful to make a distinction between fetishes and abnormal sexualities, since they both arise from quirks in the parts of our brains which govern sexual attraction.
No.14781
Im a paedophile
I watch CP pretty regularly Im sorta into lolicon, but only particularly good lolicon.
No.14787
>>14781Why CP and what arouses you in little kids compared to older kids or adults?
No.15042
>>14780>Our DNA doesn't have the slightest fucking clue what a child is On the face of it, this is obviously true.
But if what you mean by it is; "our brains aren't biologically wired with the ability to distinguish children from adults" then there's an absolute shit ton of scientific evidence against you that you have to debunk to be able to make that point.
>just attracted to patterns of stimuli […]I'm actually pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so it's not as if I didn't know that.
My point was that it's not unlikely that people may be wired differently as a result of largely biological factors (genetics, epigenetics, or various neurological variations as a result of differences in the physical development of the brain)
>Abnormal sexualities are just variations in the behaviour of this neural network.We don't disagree on that point.
>I don't think it's useful to make a distinction between fetishes and abnormal sexualitiesWe'll just have to agree to disagree on the importance of being able to make that distinction, considering we're not trying to research a way to "cure pedophilia" or some shit like that - we're just trying to have a discussion. A discussion that i feel would benefit from more clarity.
The reason I'm saying what I'm saying is because it's very clear to me that there are some fairly clear differences in HOW people approach this particular "attraction", and I've seen these kinds of discussion pop up on internet message boards, IRC chat rooms and on usenet for decades, and people are always talking past each other, particularly because one side won't believe the other side exists.
There are some individuals (let's call them Lolicon A) who are genuinely attracted to real children in their every day life, and who will usually seek out CP in some form or another - some like loli, and some don't, but they'd all agree that CP (or a real child) would be preferable in a world without consequences.
There are some other individuals (Lolicon B) who enjoy lolicon hentai/comics and who may or may not dabble in CP, but who don't actually find themselves genuinely attracted to children in a real life setting. A significant amount, but not all of the Bs either actively watch, or have watched and gotten bored with, many different other kinds of "weird porn" before they got where they are.
Pedo A and B often end up hanging out in the same places, but they get into arguments when trying to have honest conversations about "where they draw the line" or how they personally feel about this complex subject in general.
But inevitably, the As (having known only their subjective experience of the world) tend to expect that either everybody secretly feels the same way they do (which I can't believe that someone would be dumb enough to really think given what the world is like), or that at the very least the Bs must exactly like they are; that the Bs must be lying because they're in denial or unwilling to face themselves, or lying through their teeth because they're paranoid someone's listening in, or whatever.
And while I'm sure there are As masquerading as Bs, it's become increasingly obvious to me that there are indeed at least two clearly different "paths" that lead people to enjoy lolicon hentai/comics/whatever.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a spectrum, or some overlap, perhaps, but it's very clear from how people talk about the subject that there are fairly large groups of people who represent both the A and B types very distinctly.
No.15044
>>15042So to which group would a person belong who likes loli and 3D, but won't touch or hurt one?
No.15045
>>15042>Lolicon A>Lolicon B>Pedo A and BDon't pull that bullshit here.
No.15046
>>15044If you, in a world without consequences, would prefer to do it with a real child, you're type A.
No.15047
>>15046Child is too young, but if in a world without consequences then it seems that i'm A.
No.15048
>>15045I changed my mind about what to call it half-way through from "pedo" to "lolicon" because the last is more descriptive of what I'm talking about.
I just accidentally didn't correct that one.
I am distinctly NOT equating being into lolicon with pedophilia.
You could perhaps say, depending on your definitions, that my type A is a true pedophile who is also a lolicon, and that type B is a lolicon who may not necessary be a true pedophile.
No.15050
>>15042I think the A and B types tend to diverge into distinct groups because of societal pressure.
Group A have thought, "fuck society, I will follow my own principles," so they feel free to talk about their attractions openly.
Group B have decided their status in society is not as low as possible, and their feeling of self-worth still depends on how they are viewed by society. They draw a strict line between loli porn and real CP.
You don't get many people between these groups for the same reason that you don't get many people sitting on the fence over whether they're a mass murderer or not. The two extremes are attractor states, and the middle is an unstable equilibrium.
I would say I fall somewhat into the middle though. I am happy to admit some small attraction to 3DPD at times, but 2D is the only ethical option (at least until we have more scientific data). I don't give a shit what society thinks though - I have about as much respect for the ethics of the average human as I have for the political opinions of typical fire ant.
No.15051
>>15050What about if
>>15046 was the case?
No.15052
>>15051What do you mean "without consequences"?
If you're talking about me not getting punished, I still wouldn't risk destroying some kid's life just for a few hours of pleasure.
If you're talking about a situation where time essentially resets after the deed is done, I haven't given that philosophical problem enough thought to decide what ethical rules apply.
If you're talking about a simulation or something which is exactly like the real world except all sentient life is controlled by an advanced AI roleplaying them all simultaneously, then fuck yes.
No.15054
>>15052It's essentially the reset scenario.
The idea behind that particular mental exercise is to de-emphasize the very serious moral/ethical issues at play and simply ask the question; are you actually, honestly, sexually attracted to real-life children?
On that note, would anyone inhere say that they don't experience significant attraction to real-life adults women/men/whatever?
Now I'm just curious.
No.15057
>>15054In that case, yes to both. Disregarding ethics, I'm far more attracted to kids than adults.
No.15058
>>15057I think there are a lot of people who feel that way.
I'm very different from that, though.
I don't feel anything toward real kids, but lolicon is my favourite H by far (has been for a few years now.)
I've kind of been morbidly curious about CP/real children but time and time again it's been clear to me that I don't make that connection for whatever reason. I can get over the moral "wrongness" feeling, and even putting that I aside, it just doesn't do anything for me.
Which, between us, is probably a good thing considering my line of work.
As for real life attractions, I'm actually pretty into real life women in their 20's. I also watch other porn like 1/3rd of the time or something. Had a very active sex life with a woman for about 5 years. She even knew about my lolis, but she didn't mind.
No.15064
I've already said this in a comment last night, but I work with children in the 6 to 10 age range a lot. Have for over a decade now.
I've also been attracted to lolicon pretty much since I discovered it. And my tastes have only been tending towards younger and younger lolis as time went on. Now I regularly dip into toddlercon without really caring about it.
Even so, I'm really not attracted to real children. They simply don't register the same way to me.
I sort of understand the discussion going on in here, and maybe yes, all people who enjoy lolicon should probably be correctly labelled as pedophiles by pure definition.
Nevertheless I don't think that means someone needs to be attracted to real children if they enjoy lolicon. I truly believe there's a disconnect between masturbating to something and wanting to experience it. And that disconnect is very important in this discussion.
I use the example of golden shower in these types of discussions: I really enjoy the idea of golden showers, I just love the idea of peeing on women or women being peed on and they enjoying it. And it's the same for the idea of women cleaning dirty smegma-ridden cocks. Both ideas are some of my strongest fetishes.
Yet just thinking about doing it in real life repulses me. I have no sexual attraction to piss at all, and I have no attraction to my own smegma in any way, and I would feel genuinely disgusted by a woman covered in pee or eating smegma.
To me, it simply isn't the same thing. Fictional golden showers, not even in 2D but in porn in general, are clearly fictionalized, idealized versions of the real thing. They're clean, they're neat, the woman clearly has experience with it, etc. etc. etc.
Loli is much the same. Fictionalized, idealized versions of the real thing; Real children are for the most part moody, loud and dirty, lolis are not. They have all the things you could find attractive in principle (the petite bodies, the small breasts, the sweet attitude, the feeling of taboo) that are simply not attractive when in context.
Leaving aside any ethical or biological considerations (God knows I don't want to get into that argument) I think that's the best reasoning I can think of for why I'm not attracted to real golden showers or real kids: I might find parts of either one attractive (the submission, the humiliation, the feeling of taboo and so on and so forth) but all the negative aspects (the smell, the subconscious disgust to piss, the thought of having to clean up the mess afterwards) make the whole idea unattractive.
In short, I'm attracted to loli but not to real children because real children come with a context and with a horribly high number of elements that simply don't let me feel sexually attracted to them.
A bit like being really into red hair or big breasts, but not being attracted to the redhead with big breasts, bad breath, hairy armpits and a bitchy attitude in front of you.
No.15065
If i watch real lolis in swimsuits or so and get a boner, i'm a hebe or pedo then?
No.15066
>>15065I think a big part of the problem is, we don't really have a set of precise, untainted, descriptive words for this stuff.
I mean, to most people a "pedophile" the way it's commonly used refers to someone who already has, or at the very least actively wants to diddle kiddies.
There are plenty of people who are terribly attracted to children who don't fit that bill, but a psychologist would probably call them pedophiles.
No.15067
>>15066Well i think that i get attracted/aroused by well not kids, but more like teens but i'm not sure.
No.15069
>>15067It really is a gray area.
By definition, an hebephile is attracted to pubescent girls, a pedophile is attracted to prepubescent girls.
If you have a preference for lolis with less neoteny you are a hebephile, if have a preference for lolis with more neoteny you are a pedophile.
Of course, that's all a spectrum, so what goes where becomes completely personal.
No.15070
>>15069Well id rather pubescent than prepubescent.
But single i haven't really looked at 3D pics i can't say for sure.
No.15071
>>15066Pedophile is derived from the greek words pais (παῖς) meaning "child" and philia (φιλία) meaning "love, affection". It literally means "child love". Therefore the correct usage is to refer to anyone with an attraction to children.
No.15331
>>15071What about hebephile?
No.15346
>>7275I miss /b/ from back then
Maybe a few years earlier
No.15371
>>15071Following that logic (that etymology defines a word) then the word "terrific" means the same as the word "horrific."
If you're a bit sharp, you'll notice that it does not - - any longer. But it used to, and that's where it comes from etymologically.
You might feel that people should use that more original definition, but you're not in any sense right about how languages actually work, or what defines the meaning of a word.
In principle, I'd like if people used the word to mean "anyone with an attraction to children" in a vague sense, but it has connotations of being a sex offender, or sex offender-to-be with most normal folk.
No.15372
>>15371He is right though, that is the root and meaning of the word. Just because people today use a word wrongly or as slang does not change it's original meaning. The same retards who use it wrong also think it's an insult.
No.15373
>>15071>>15372That's not how language works.
No.15382
>>15373The factual definition of a word isn't how language works? Ok then. People using word wrong isn't how language works.
No.15383
>>15382Again, that's not how language works. Definitions are not static unchanging things and the meaning of a word does not come solely from its linguistic antecedents. If you have a problem with that feel free to take it up with the entire field of linguistics.
No.15384
>>15382No, that is exactly how language works.
Pronunciation changes with mispronunciation, spelling changes with misspelling and definitions change with misuse.
Prescriptivism is stupid because it assumes humans communicate in a "proper" way first, with content second. But anyone who has spoken with a human being for an hour knows that's bullshit. Otherwise languages wouldn't change.
No.15388
>>15384Those don't fit this case, misuse does not become proper use. Especially since its misuse is extremely new.
No.15391
>>15384My point is that there are at least 3 different contradictory definitions for pedophile depending on who you ask.
The alarmist media use it synonymously with "child molester".
Medical professionals use it to mean anyone who suffers from their attraction to prepubescent children.
Many pedophiles use it to mean simply having an attraction to prepubescent children.
I was using etymology simply as a way to settle this argument - not to try and claim that language isn't allowed to evolve.
No.15643
I'm a hebe who's age of attraction is generally 10 through 23 but I'm trying to transistion to 2d because real girls grow up and 98% are destined to become awful people in our society.
Another part of it is because of my last relationship, it sort of broke me on a personal level and I'm having a harder time getting hard at real women/girls now. When I look at a cute real life loli I think "geeze, will probably grow up to be like my ex".
The only thing with 2d is that its not real but you can train your imagination to make it real if you try hard enough. I keep nice smelling shampoos and bath stuff around me and think of the 2d lolis smelling like that.
Really, for all the beautiful real teens and tweens you look at I guarantee you they have horrible personalities and will always date or go for a Chad. With 2d you can create your own perfect little nymph.
Yeah, I know all of this makes me sound like a major schizo but I kinda am. Imagination helps me cope with reality.
Another thing is that people generally care less about lolicon than say, real pictures of girls on your harddrive in their underwear. I have a lot of both either way.
No.15644
>>15643Its also a lot easier to find lolicon. Most good "3d" sites get shut down very fast even if the content isn't too suggestive.
No.15682
>>15643How does someone know that they are hebe or so?
Do they just have to look at pictures of girls and see who their dick reacts to the most?
No.15687
Reminder
No.15689
>>15687That's a blatantly unfair comparison.
It also fails to show the three major disadvantages of 3D:
- 3D is potentially very unethical, especially with "extreme" fetishes like BDSM.
- 3D can lead to (much longer) prison sentences.
- 3D grows old and dies, just like everything in the real world.
No.15691
>>15689>3D is potentially very unethical, especially with "extreme" fetishes like BDSM.If you cared about ethics you wouldn't fap to lolicon either
>3D can lead to (much longer) prison sentences.So can lolicon in the same countries
>3D grows old and dies, just like everything in the real world.The pictures don't, same as lolicon.
No.15692
Stop feeding the troll. He's only projecting.
No.15693
>>15691>If you cared about ethics you wouldn't fap to lolicon eitherYou are either a troll or a fucking moron who has never formed a single logically sound idea in your entire life.
Let me guess, you consider "that's gross" to be a valid reason to call something unethical. Cry me a fucking river over the suffering of a few pixels.
No.15694
>>15691>So can lolicon in the same countriesI will never understand the mentality of this.
"LOLICON IS DISGUSTING AND NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL! IT'LL ALSO CAUSE YOU TO MOVE ONTO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY."
So, both are illegal, both will send you to prison. So why not just view child pornography and be done with it? Why even bother with lolicon?
No.15695
>>15694Because it's a distraction and a scape goat. "look we caught someone looking at a drawing! We're doing our jobs go great!" ignoring they aren't out catching those raping kids.
No.15741
>>15691>If you cared about ethics you wouldn't fap to lolicon either>If you cared about ethics you wouldn't watch Gore/Horror Fiction>If you cared about ethics you wouldn't play OCD CoD>If you cared about ethics you wouldn't eat Animals peta editionback to >>>sjw
>>15695Who would catch or persecute a billionaire elite cultist pedophile?
Even FBI 22scared
People like
>>15691 need to wake the fucking up (WTFU) cuz the real pedos are rich elites who order and surrogate kiddos directly from Germany, Vietnam, Ukraine, Philippiens, China, Malaysia, etc.
>>15691 Have you seen their poolside? FILLED WITH UNKNOWN LITTLE KIDDOS AND THEN GET AWAY WITH IT EASILY. Do you really think the world we live in is RAINBOWLAND?
No.15777
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i thought you guys gave up when the sjw mastermind got caught with actual cheese pizza
however if someone sides with the bullshit you're spilling then i guess they deserve to be called pedos
there's a true difference between loli and child porn and that is that no real kid gets actually harmed or involved
try as hard as you can , but i assure you this board will never be shut down
No.15830
This has always been a dangerous subject but here are my thoughts.
First off I'd never prefer 3D over 2D because of its limitless imperfections and realism. As many in this thread have stated, they smell, they poop while they cry, and cry while they poop, etc.. 2D of course is vastly superior.
However, growing up with a shit ton of porn, my libido has reached an equilibrium in the highs when inactive. I can quiet easily get turned on from just about anything feminine. Yet, I still veer away from real children because something inside me tells me that it is wrong. The real kicker for me is that I can easily, perhaps too easily, see sexual potential in anything. Take this image for example. It's a very pretty young looking girl. Her face is beautiful and her eyes stare into my soul. Because she is so pretty, my sexual instincts tell me that I should bend it over and j-j-jam it in, regardless of her age. In fact, I'd love to fuck such a girl. However, I wouldn't given the chance, and disgust myself for betraying 2D at the spur of the moment of arousal. In the end, I just brush off such a fantasy and continue fapping to 2D. In the end, I blame my natural human urges. I know I would never be able to live with myself if I went out and raped some kid. This is why it is a dangerous topic.
No.15833
>>15830It can be consensual sex, it doesn't have to be rape.
I don't even see why someone would rape someone else.
No.15839
>>15830>Her face is beautiful and her eyes stare into my soulIt's 3DPD! This is how they get you!
No.15850
>>15839Real life is disgusting because it's too attractive?
No.16115
No.16673
Iv had this urge for my firends 9 year old little sister, I had a dream about her one blowing me.
I feel that this urge is going to get the better of me…I lust for cute sexy 3d girls is growing too strong
I'm kinda scared cuz I know how bad I want her little month Sucking my cock dry, and foot jobs as well
No.16680
>>8269There are lesbians that draw hardcore bara. How is that any different?
No.16682
>>16673How good are you at visualising things in your mind?
If you can, just go and fap while imagining the scene in your mind. You get all the fun with non of the horrible life-destroying regret and prison afterwards.
If not, find some other loli porn (or even real CP if you're desperate) and fap to that.
Either way, you will satisfy your sexual appetite for a few hours and won't feel like fucking her.
Most of all, remember that regardless of what society tells you, you aren't a monster. You have free will. You can choose what you do or don't do. There isn't some evil part of your mind which can take control of your body. You can always say to yourself "no, I'm not going to do that". Your sexual desires are not stronger than you.
Stay strong and don't give up.
No.16683
>>16682T-that means a lot anon, thank you
I agree to keep my visions of fantasys to my self and safely
>real cp if I'm desperate How'd I going about even finding such?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.16684
>>16683Fuck off with your blog and CP request.
No.16685
>>16683This is really the wrong place to ask and I don't know much about it myself, but if you must you could probably find it somewhere on TOR.
Try to avoid that option though. If you find the right loli porn it can be just as satisfying with none of the risk (depending on how shitty your government is).
No.16689
>>16685Tru tru I'll stick to my loli and imagination
Thank you sir
No.16690
>>16683tor, freenet or i2p but dont bother.
99% is low quality 200x300 sized images and videos.
you can only get anything that might be worth it if you are already a collector, a producer,
or FBI.best stick with 2d, its safer, better and easier.
No.16693
>>16683>How'd I going about even finding such?Well, according to the British, it's fucking everywhere!
Under your bed, in your closet, perhaps even hidden in your grocery bag.
No.16694
>>16693But on a more serious note, I'd refrain from asking about it.
No.16695
>>16693Definitely not in any government filing cabinets though. Those were all destroyed in some terribly unfortunate floods.
No.17336
No.17353
>>7046I don't mind loli but your post and real little girls are fucking disgusting and it pains me to be associated with you
No.17426
I've never found myself wanting to fuck 3d kids before. I find 3d kids annoying.
No.17429
If you would one day notice that you are getting aroused by kids, what would you do?
No.18239
>>17426This, but also gross/unhygienic and stupid.
>>17429That would be a very serious concern to me (I work with kids) but I'd go about my life as I always have and I'd be honest with myself about it. I'd just never do anything to or with anyone.
Because of the way that human mind works I'd probably gain a tendency to want to see consensual sex as less damaging or dangerous, but I'm smart enough to know not to conflate what I want to believe with what I have a logical reason to believe.
So I'd know to police myself in that regard. I think I'd be alright.
If I became an "exclusive" pedo then it'd probably be much harder to deal with, but I'd probably be able to manage - and if not, I hope I'd have the insight to notice I was about to fuck up in time to quit my job and start a new career and/or talk to a psychologist.
I would definitely avoid a psychologist until the point where I was ready to quit my career and I felt like I felt very tempted to do something dangerous, though, since it's such a huge risk.
I'd still do it if the temptation got too bad.
I'm not an easily tempted guy though, normally, so it seems unlikely to me that I'd ever end up there even if I was exclusive.
No.18242
>>18239>gross/unhygienic and stupidBecause all adults are couth, clean and smart. Unless you are comparing them to 2D girls.
No.18245
>>18242Ohh don't worry, I hate adults with those qualities too, kids just have them more often.
No.18246
I am an autopedophile attracted to the idea of myself as a loli and also imagine myself as 2D anime lolis. Disregarding what I think about it morally, I wouldn't be able to self-insert as another 3D girl with her own individual personality. It just wouldn't be able to give me the same immersion experience.
No.18263
No.18276
>>18263I'm not sure why you linked to /v/, I don't go to that board or play video games, am I missing a joke?
No.18277
>>18276I thought I was missing a joke too but now that I see you're serious I'd recommend tumblr
Talking about their mental illnesses in places where it doesn't belong and isn't wanted is their passion too
No.18507
I'm a pedo and get off to lolicon because of that, i can see how some of you guys are only attracted to 2d, but at the same time there is no doubt in my mind that some of the loli artists that i like (Higashiyama Show, Senke Kagero, Rustle) definitely viewed irl nude modelling, if not CP, since it was legal to posses not long ago, just judging by how they draw nude children. So how do you feel about "realistic" lolicon, involving molestation?
http://exhentai.org/g/736347/75bb257e85/http://exhentai.org/g/704480/176ca17036/ Yeah it's protected as art in US (to an extent), that's why it's different from 3DCG, but we all know for what kind of people these drawing are made. Majority of people who would look at the links above would definitely identify this as child pornography. Do you abandon your moral responsibility just because of legality and protection of the law? Not to mention depending on where you live you can be either not guilty of anything or be labeled as sex offender for some of the stuff posted in this thread. It's just weird watching you guys splitting hairs about 2D\3D in terms of morals, where's for the majority of "normal" people it's all despicable.
>>15777SJW got caught with CP? Tell me more please.
No.18508
>>18507>definitely viewed irl nude modellingThat's false rumors and baseless speculation.
No.18513
>>18277This is an entire board dedicated to that sort of "mental illness", and this thread in particular is devoted to the topic of pedophilia and lolicons. Perhaps you're in the wrong place.
No.18516
>>18508There are rumors? I only know about rustle and picrelated. I'm just saying it like i see it, would make sense since it was legal and all, how do you start drawing realistic looking lolis without having a reference? Regardless, their art does look pretty real, which is why i like them. Wasn't really the point of my post to accuse them.
No.18518
>>18508considering how it was legal to possess, i doubt it.
No.18547
>>18516That's the rumor an the same pic always used, that shows nothing but a joke since we know what it stands for. Rustle is the oldest one accused of this with zero proof and is mostly anti loli people wanting loli to be banned and illegal using these claims of use of real children. You don't have to see a naked child to draw well, one can reference non nude or other works, not saying none can't/didn't since nude model art is not illegal or not practiced anymore.
No.18561
>>18547> You don't have to see a naked child to draw wellYes you do. There are many differences between an adult and a child's body, especially in the genital region. If you had no mental concept of how the human body looks at different stages of physical maturity, you'd have to wing it or imagine it from verbal description from people who do have visual memories of it.
I knew two professional artists that were into drawing loli amongst other things, and both looked at real cp(the nude posing stuff) and even tried to send me images. I told them to stop sending me images after opening the first(we kept sending each other images and videos to pass the time). Back then I freaked out and yelled them into the ground, not for endangering me, but for endangering themselves. I value people I admire more than myself, so seeing them have cp felt like a friend I care about coming to me and admitting he's been taking heroin. That was years ago, and my opinion regarding pedophilia, cp and related things has evolved a lot since then. Point is, people look at cp, loli artists especially, and Japanese loli artists that until recently were allowed to own real cp? Don't kid yourself.
No.18562
>>18516A LOT of the Lo Magazine covers are litterally traced from real cp. I mean line for line traced, same lighting, shadows, everything.
No.18563
>>18561No you don't, you are just basing loli artist looking at CP based on nothing. Saying this is only helping spread the SJW propaganda.
No.18571
Thread again derailed away from something i wanted to discuss in this post
>>18507, the fact that realistic (visually or thematically) loli manga was created with pedos in mind. There is a lot of cutesy stuff out there too, but no doubt some of the stuff i mentioned was made to simulate real cp. It's lolicon, its 2d, still really disturbing for normal people.
>>18563>Saying this is only helping spread the SJW propagandaSJW, and you can replace "SJW" here to "majority of population", would not care if its traced or not. Imagine that - "Oh great, this realistic looking depiction of child rape is not traced from real pornography, that's alright then". In any case, my post was more about how do you guys perceive moral implications of some of the manga that is out there, and the fact that pedophiles enjoy that work, not what a fat cunt from tumblr would think of it.
No.18574
>>18571They may not "care" either way because of bias but still use it as propaganda and as proof that these drawn images "have victims" when they don't.
No.18578
>>18563How desperate are you to continue holding onto this cognitive divide in your head? People who draw adult porn need a reference. Why is it that people are find with saying that X person is a teleophile/"normal" heterosexual/homosexual if they get off to drawn images of adults, yet as soon as it comes into the paedo/hebe/ephe range, people, many in this thread, try and pull out all the mental tricks and loops to avoid this.
It's still sexuality and just because the people are younger does not mean it is suddenly entirely different in nature. This mindset only goes to validating the disgusting hatred normalfags have had against those who like young teens, etc. for ages. It's the same fucking thing: general sexual attraction to a certain biological development range.
A lot of people have looked at/referenced and still look at CP. Get over it. Pictures of nude kids do not hurt anyone in the same way pictures of nude adults do not hurt anyone.
No.18586
>>18578Depends pretty heavily on what's happening in those pictures, since increased demand for pictures of abuse results in more of them being made and thus more abuse happening.
But if you're talking about someone's vacation photos or whatever then sure.
No.18592
>>18513This entire board is not dedicated for wanting to be a little girl, anyone claiming that here is just attention whoring like tumblrettes love to do with their mental illnesses.
No.18605
>>18592The board is about lolis. If you don't like people expressing a desire to be the loli getting fucked rather than to be fucking the loli, make your own board. Your bitter whining about mental illnesses just makes you sound like you belong on /pol/.
No.18607
>>18578How desperate are you to keep making claims based on nothing? 90% of hentai artist have never used live models as reference, especially ones who make extreme stuff. The bottom half of your comment has no meaning in the discussion at all. I'm sure pedos who like 3D get off more thinking it's true but it is only true for a tiny tiny percentage and then it's not traced but done in the same poses as a wink and a joke.
No.18618
>>7224> I can much easier rap to 2d than 3d>rap to 2dJosip pls go
No.18622
>>18562have you ever seen a LO cover.
i dont think you have if you think its traced CP.
No.18630
>>18622If you ignore the faces its pretty obvious, just go to that comic LO thread made earlier and see for yourself.
No.18740
I have different affinities for 2D and 3D. Fortunately for me, I do not really like explicitly sexual images no matter what spectrum so I don't have any nor desire intercourse. The tickle fetish I have is an entirely different story. The various 2D images and 3D adult videos keep me satisfied in that department.
No.18750
It's rare that someone watches adult hentai, yet never touches adult 3d porn. No one would even raise such a question because it's just silly to think otherwise.
So, to say that you only care for 2D loli and have absolutely no attraction to it being in another dimension just reeks of denial.
There's really no other way to put it. I'm sure this has been stated many times before and some will argue they aren't in denial, but that's just my 2 cents.
No.18753
>>18750
Not comparable and to try to speak for others and call what their preferences are denial because you disagree/like bout is just a shallow view point. There are many who also say they never watch 3D porn and only watch hentai, it's preference not denial.
No.18756
>>18630 see >>18755
you are stupid
No.18769
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I wish I could have sex with a child but it's not worth even considering so I just stick with lolicon hentai and masturbation.
I don't believe people who can find something like pic related hot can not also find CP hot.
No.18770
>>18769
>don't believe
See, there's the issue. That's why whenever someone comes in and says he doesn't you have fanatics claim that the guy's just suppressing.
No.18772
>>18769
I find that pic hot, can't say anything about CP single i haven't seen it.
No.18774
>>18769
I'd imagine that an identical 3D image would be full of unsightly blemishes and shapes and the overall feel of the image not being the same - possibly forced. Lolis are created to be perfect in the artists eyes, which is why 2D has a less arguable appeal to it (you know, besides one being more legal than the other.)
>>18740
That's still somewhat part of the BDSM category. A shame since that means the 'somewhat boring' Kusuguri Gakuen series is the closest thing you're going to get. Unless I'm wrong..
No.18775
>>18774
>3D image would be full of unsightly blemishes and shapes and the overall feel of the image not being the same
Oh yeah, let me tell you about all those unsightly blemishes and shapes.
No.18776
>>18769
I fap to furry and don't find and don't find animals attractive.
Just sayin'.
No.18777
>>18776
Probably because 99% furry porn is anthropomorphic, and not related to real animals at all.
No.18778
>>18769
Loli is idealized and beautified to the fullest, 3D is not. They are very different and you can't project your attraction to both on to others.
No.18781
>>18778
>They are very different
That's like saying you're only attracted to vogue magazine models because they're idealized/beautified with photoshop/make-up. The subject is still exactly the same, which is the entire point. In this case, you're attracted to the idea that a real girl is beautified/perfect.
So,2D loli can be as perfect and pristine as it wants to be, but it will always be based around it's 3D counterpart.
No.18783
>>18775
Ok i'm getting a bit worried, why is this arousing?
No.18785
>>18781
That example does not fit. The subject is not the same since it's fantasy vs reality and you are talking reality vs reality +makeup/photo shop. A right example would be you want to kill someone in real like because you play COD or GTA because "it's based around a 3D counterpart."
No.18786
>>18775
Can see blemishes. Even most mediocre loli artists can make a better looking loli.
No.18794
>>18777
Okay, another example.
I masturbate to the ponies in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic yet have no desire to go out and fuck horses.
No.18797
>>18794
horsefucker pls go.
No.18798
I don't have any interest on stomping real turtles.
No.18806
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>>18798
You would be surprised how many people swerve to hit turtles. Nintendo must be playing on that subconscious stomping turtles desire.
No.18808
No.18831
Real life proud and self-loving paedosexual here. My attraction is not evil or wrong. Any expressions of my attraction shared with a consenting child are not wrong either. The ONLY reason I am not overtly sexual with the little girls I care for and love is because of how society and the adults in her life would react if found out. Possibly ruining her life as well as mine. I have been asked to rub vaginas, kiss them, to show myself, etc. Kids are curious and love pleasure and feeling good with people they like.
Anyway if you view children with respect and as equals and not just as sex objects then there is absolutely no mechanism for harm when it comes to consensual sexual interactions.
Want to love yourself and children more? Want to learn how to be the best paedo you can be? Join: visionsofalice.com
Completely legal, accessible through TOR. Great support group of child LOVERS. We respect children and they respect us.
I have done nothing more than empower little girls, make them feel confident, help them love themselves and others. Life is good. It needs to become better.
Fight the paedosexual and child sexuality witch hunt!
No.18849
>>18831
Sounds kinda wierd, but i still think that witch hunt should stop.
No.18925
When you get past all the sophistry and mental gymnastics people use to justify themselves, in the abstract sense, it is absolutely the same. A pedophile/lolicon is one who is attracted to children. Nothing says that it has to be a real child. Nothing says that one has to act out on the deeprooted impulse. You just have to be aroused by the abstract form and attributes of a little girl. It's as simple as the visual processing by the brain. If you can become aroused by the image of a young female without breasts, then you are a pedobear/lolicon. It doesn't matter whether it's real or not, or whether it's even supposed to be a child, for that matter. Even if you're into petite flatchested babyfaced 18 year old adult women who look not a day older than 12, you are still a pedo/lolicon, since you can become aroused by a childlike female without adult proportions, otherwise you would be disgusted by the lack of adult proportions. In fact there is tons of legal 'loli' AV in Japan with baby faced flat chested girls under 150 cm that don't look any older than JC.
Now I'm not saying that everyone who can become aroused without fictional 2d porn can become aroused with real children / is a threat to real children. But that's irrelevant to the fact that you have an attraction to the idealized child form.
If you claim to like 2D loli only, you're the same as one of those virginfags who never gets laid that faps to 2D girls, but would go limp and have a panic attack around any 3D girl. It doesn't matter that such an individual would be unable to go through with it in real life. The fact that these individual find erotic depictions of heterosexual activity stimulating means they are heterosexual, and not truly asexual, regardless of how they deal with reality. If one could find it attractive in any sense, fictional or real, it would make that person definitively a heterosexual and not a asexual. Likewise, a 2D lolicon who abhors 3D for whatever reason, but arousal level goes over 9000 for what is essentially erotic art depicting pedosex is still a pedophile, regardless of how they react to real life children. The only way one could not be a pedophile is if one could not become aroused by anything without strictly adult proportions / body shape. It's a matter of hardwired erotic taste that is processed by the brain through visual stimuli. A true non-pedophile would not be able to fap any image of a female that is not adult sized and curvy.
A virgin loser fag with social anxiety that faps to 2D isn't a true asexual, and is still a heterosexual, and a 'lolicon' with socially instilled pedophobia is still a pedophile. If a true normalfag were reborn in an alternate universe where all females stop growing after 10 and remain lolis for life, he would be really frustrated, much like a man in prison, while every lolicon and pedobear would be in heaven.
No.18926
>>18798
The connection between video games and 2d erotic depictions of minors is tenuous at best. You enjoy Super Mario Bros. because of the game mechanics, not because it's violence against turtles. Pornography isn't video games though. You look at it the body shape, and your dick and your brain either likes it, or it doesn't. If you find the child form attractive in any way, shape or form, context and the reality of real world society ignored, then you are a pedobear deep down inside.
No.18927
>>18794
My little pony looks vastly different from real horses, whereas loli features high quality realistic depictions of the child form in explicit situations. Unless you're telling me you don't look at the body at all, and it's the animu eyes that you jerk off to. In that case, I'm sure why you need this board when you could just fap to regular cute /a/ material.
No.18951
seen real CP, I mean, anyone who used kazaa and 4chan has at some point. I find it disgusting.
prefer 13+
but I know to stay the hell away because already know from experience that at that age they are manipulative and unstable little sluts and they sure as hell will cry wolf at you.
Know from experience because when I was 18, little girls were interested in me for some reason. Almost got into trouble because of their stupid shit. Also have a 12 year old cousin and I can already see her becoming a cockgobling selfish slut.
Don't really find majority of loli and teen models attractive. Some girls though, man. Some girls are just so beautiful that you just know they will be beautiful for the rest of their lives.
loli just turns me on because I have a fetish for petite girls taking big objects in their holes.
No.18953
>>18927
But then again there's this
and yes, ponyfags fap to that
and this
you figure out what that's used for
No.18954
>>18951
>loli just turns me on because I have a fetish for petite girls taking big objects in their holes.
You mean like this?
http://nhentai.net/search/?q=ph-bu+gozen
No.18966
>>7085
Compare the technology of the 1970s to what we have now. We've achieved more in just forty years than the entire culmination of all of existence on earth in billions. Imagine what will happen in another forty. Progress will happen faster than it can be regulated, it's fact now.
The future is closer than you think.
No.18967
For me most of the loli images look more like teens, so aren't we in that sense kinda like hebes?
No.18969
>>18926
I don't find dogs attractive, they stink and I don't like when they lick me but I like Shizue.
No.18970
>>18969
Most furries aren't into bestiality, they are into costume sex.
No.18990
>>18970
I don't get turned on by a dog on the street neither by a sports mascot.
No.18993
>>18970
Most aren't even into fursuit sex, though I think that's because current fursuit designs aren't sufficiently realistic. Once fursuits integrate with the nervous system to reproduce facial expressions and relay sensations, then it will become a lot more popular.
What most furries are actually into is anthropomorphic animals/aliens/etc. Anything with a human mind and a non-human body, basically.
No.18996
lolicons better cp can fuck it self i no ur not talking about cp but other ppl are so all thous who llov cp turn to lolical it gave more content and its better i think
No.18997
lolicons better, cp can fuck it self, i no ur not talking about cp, but other ppl are so all thous who love cp. turn to lolicon. it gives more content and its, better i think?
No.19003
>>18516
This seems like more than just a rumor…
http://nhentai.net/g/132295/
No.19009
>>19003
And how doee that make it more than a rumor? That anagram just means loli.
No.19013
>>18777
>>18970
>implying furfag artists don't routinely use actual animal genitalia as a reference for their smut.
>forgetting even a "feral" animal is considered "anthro" if it can do as little as speak english.
>implying that there's absolutely NO connection between outright bestiality and wanting to have sex with animals.
Furfag defense always fails. Always.
No.19014
>>19013
>if it can do as little as speak english.
If it's so easy, why don't you go and program a computer to do it. You'd become a millionaire overnight.
No.19015
>>19013
As a biology nerd I find funny how they get the dicks wrong… imagine anatomically correct echidna or turtle dicks!
No.19018
>>19015
Anatomically correct anthropomorphic snails.
No.19028
>>18925
A thousand times this.
People just need to be more honest on the internet.
No.19029
Damn, so many fucking myths.
>Destroying kid's lives.
Doesn't actually happen in most circumstances
where mutual feelings are present between both parties. Only weakfags get hurt by this.
>Lel touching kidz is bad
I think you're bad for touching adults. Freaking disgusting, hair on vajin, hair around the fucking dick, deep voice instead of that nice soothing high pitched voice, freaking gross you adult fuckers are.
If I had the chance to fuck a girl that was 10 and she wanted it, I'd say something depending on if she met my standards for lolis.
Sage out.
No.19036
>>19029
Not that i know anything, but i think that
>and she wanted it
your want and her want are different.
No.19260
>>18774
>The somewhat boring Kusuguri Gakuen series is the closest thing you're going to get.
Child World, Papaka and Vladmodels had some stuff. Not sure other than that.
No.19267
Personally, I DID have a little bit of 3d attraction–I even looked at CP a few times. But I discovered lolicon when I was still in 6th grade myself, prime loli age. Now I actually prefer teenaged and adult characters. I wanted to be the little girl, anyway. Kind of regret not going farther with those guys on the internet that were trying to groom me a decade ago.
No.19305
>>8312
I think you're wrong, I'd say the majority of people who like 2d don't like 3D. I like lolicon, but find real children to be a bit repelling. I don't have anything against pedos though
No.21450
>>12931
More and more as of late the SJWs *are* the moralfags
No.21456
>>21450
It isn't just a recent phenomenon. SJWs have been the moralfags for at least as long as they have been called SJWs. The sex negative branch of feminism might even pre-date the more libertarian kind.
>>19036
He wasn't making a claim about what she wanted. He was setting a condition. The grammar in that sentence was fairly unambiguous.
>If (he had the opportunity to fuck a 10 year old girl) and (she wanted [to be fucked]) he would ….
If, as you propose, she didn't actually want what he wanted, then the "(she wanted [to be fucked])" clause would be false and hence, according to his own statement, he wouldn't do anything.
No.21460
3D CG is so in uncanny valley people who say it's cp are usually trolling.
>>7046
It depends how one's sexuality formed.
This guy got it almost right:
>>18925
Indeed most lolicons are actually just pretty normal internet virgins who got desentisized (or better said, got rid of the social imprinting which says this is supposed to be bad). Yet ephebophilia is default setting for all normal males…
They sure prefer 2D waifus, but here and there they might not be actually that socially awkward - and then it works IRL too (picrel, for ages of 10, very late pre-teen). The difference is still the immense feeling of shame attached in that case.
Still, they often find things like todcon/real world CP disgusting because they're not actually pedophiliac, jus ephebos.
This whole trend is evident on the sentiment on this board - actual pedos are encouraged to tone it down (with real CP / todcon) as they seem to be in the minority.
No.21463
No.21464
>>8858
As an option, maybe. I usually apply what I'm gonna call the "Gay test" on these matters.
If the name didnt give it away, I cross out "pedo", replace it with "homo", and see how sensible it sounds.
Here we go:
>In the UK, there was recently a documentary on homsexuals "coming out", calling for treatment to be available before offences are committed.
>In particular, this documentary encourages the view that homosexuality is a medical disorder, one that needs drug or intensive therapy in order to treat, a sexual preference formed by complex circumstances that can be cured.
>My question to you all is: If treatment was available anonymously to you, would you take it?
So, it's a program for homosexuals who feel they can't control themselves. It's about sexual assult.
How about attacking and fighting the "Assult" part, and not the "Sexual" part?
These people have the right to their sexuality and to express it within laws of assult and public decency.
No.21475
I'd fuck a 12 year old if she was into it. Although fact that I'm even writing this fills me with intense shame and self-hatred that I wonder if I would actually do it if the opportunity were to magically present itself. I'm too fucking pathetic. I guess that's why I like lolicon, because its always too-good-to-be-true scenarios.
I really don't think there's anything wrong to fapping to 2D lolis or even legal 3D stuff… but I think doing so also opens the floodgates. And I think the pro-pedo rhetoric that some users of this site espouse is truly disturbing.
Seeing a sexy young girl in public is anguish. I always force myself to look away, but of course doing that just makes me want to look more. It reminds of how much of a mess I am. Although honestly, I'm probably going to end up killing myself in a few years so I guess I've given up on being a well-adjusted human being.
No.21480
>>21464
Won't work. Why people want children? Because they're afraid of their mortality, they want to live on through the progeny.
The overreaction to pedos stems from their fear of losing that "immortality". Also helicopter parenting, etc etc.
Compare this with homophobia which stems from "mere" fear of getting raped.
Pedophobia will be always homophobia ten times on steroids.
>>21475
Don't stare away, but don't creep either, just be casual. Girls are well aware most men are lolicons as per famous picrel panel. Self-shaming only lowers your chances with em. Also, you have to visit some 3rd world where hebephilia is not illegal, unless you plan on carrying out
>I'm probably going to end up killing myself in a few years so I guess I've given up on being a well-adjusted human being.
No.21499
>>21480
>Compare this with homophobia which stems from "mere" fear of getting raped.
It's not just that, there's some complicated interlinked negative feelings that get brought to the surface when the topic of homosexuality invades Joe Q. Public's personal space and thus their imagination - homosexuals are imaginarily tied to as you've said the scenario of rape and emasculation, but also murder and potentially very painful emotions of being betrayed or the things you hold dear whether it's something abstract like your beliefs or some object you fixate on as being sacred being defiled and crushed.
Why this flurry of negative emotions is summoned by homosexuality is hard to guess, but you'll see the patterns of it in fiction or in political discussions, just focus on the keywords being used or pay attention to the tone, it keeps happening.
Here, I'll give you a few examples as a primer to this hypothesis :
- the subtle? homoerotic relationship between Batman and the Joker; Joker perfectly embodies the aforementioned evoking of terror by murder, rape and defilement
- the general trope of homolust between villain and hero, with the villain being effiminate by contrast but nevertheless inexplicably threatening and more powerful and imposing than the hero (random example from a movie - Xerxes and Leonidas; random example from a TV show - Joe Carrol and Ryan Hardy; random example from an anime - do i really have to?)
With pedophiles we definitely have a direct link to homosexuality in most vulgar and unsophisticated minds, consider Russia's general goto word for pedophile is actually pederast, and it's implied that all homosexuals are also pederasts(technically correct)
Though from my personal observations the average pedophile is indistinguishable in sexual appetite from an earnest heterosexual, and is typically attracted to both sexes, oddly enough, when it comes to wanting to fuck children and adolescents. The reason being that children and adolescents are far more similar in facial features and general physiognomy to young women and women than they are to grown men, who are notably "grotesque" by comparison. There's a reason boys have to go through trials of symbolically ascending to manhood; think of the "beardless youth" of ancient Greece and also present in other cultures, where they might as well be prostitutes and companions to older men, they're certainly not considered as being part of the lot of men and dignified as men until they're much older. (the way this goes can be crudely rendered as "women and girls are pretty, a man is not a man until he is hairy and ugly")
I'm confident there's some very powerful truth to the research being done in recent years that found a correlation between pedophilia and obsessive-compulsive disorder, or that theory about the brain getting paternal feelings and sexual attraction switches accidentally confused.
(if you're attracted to this 3D rendition of Tifa to the point of getting a chubby as of this moment, congratulations! you're a heterosexual, and possibly also a pedophile)
No.21503
>>21475
>but I think doing so also opens the floodgates
Same slippery slope bullshit that has been used to condemn gay rights, and almost every other anti-bigotry movement.
Unless you can give evidence to prove that lolicon itself causes harm (you can't, because it doesn't), you don't have a leg to stand on.
No.21505
>>21499
Indeed pederasty is hallmark of pedos, and back then there used to be a strong equal sign between queers and pederasts.
However using it in argument is flawed 'A is related to B and A is related to C, therefore A is related to C'.
Age restrictions are orthogonal to homo/hetero as they are put in for entirely different reasons.
>>21503
>give compelling argument for slippery slope
I think the floodgates are with relation to porn industry (let's put lolicon aside, that is obviously pretty much harmless compared to meatspace production).
Those gates were opened to gays once queers became publicly accepted (ie before that, gay porn magazines were underground just like CP is now). Except for gays, nobody is hurt as its just adults making adult decisions.
I think a better model for this would be war on drugs. Is it better to wage war on heroin and meth production (and thus keep it's market permanently cornered), or let the spice flow? Ponder it for a moment.
Just like pedophilia and things related, hard drugs can be insanely dangerous when handled incorrectly. On the other hand, assuming everyone has it's own agency "war on drugs" makes absolutely no sense.
No.21518
>>21505
>Those gates were opened to gays once queers became publicly accepted (ie before that, gay porn magazines were underground just like CP is now). Except for gays, nobody is hurt as its just adults making adult decisions.
Great, so you've made an analogy to something which actually happened, then explained exactly why it's a completely different situation with different ethical constraints.
>I think a better model for this would be war on drugs. Is it better to wage war on heroin and meth production (and thus keep it's market permanently cornered), or let the spice flow? Ponder it for a moment.
>Just like pedophilia and things related, hard drugs can be insanely dangerous when handled incorrectly. On the other hand, assuming everyone has it's own agency "war on drugs" makes absolutely no sense.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. It's a deeply flawed analogy. How the fuck is a sexuality equivalent to hard drugs? Is homosexuality equivalent to tobacco? Has /pol/ has been trying to save us from getting lung cancer?
As for the war on drugs, it is one of the most barbaric, cruel and generally evil things still going on in Western countries. You might as well ask me to ponder whether stabbing a billion kittens is better or worse than donating to charity.
No.21519
>>21505
We can't give people chainsaws. Everyone would end up mutilating their mouths and killing themselves.
When people are given toothbrushes they put them in their mouths every day. Except for toothbrushes, nobody gets hurt when they do that.
No.21574
Yesyes, attractio to females even VERY yong ones is escentially natural. But we are not in the caves age. We went against ethics and screw it all. Now they create laws to protects kids from rapists and molesters. That's why it is wrong. Not because of you, TRUE pedophiles who (disrregarding sexual attracction) can have strong romantic feelings towards children, as adults feels towards other adults; but because of those bastards who violated and still do violate innocent children.
In the past it was not so uncommon for a man to feel love towards a 13 years old girl. Because it was in fact love, not pure sexual desire regardless her will. But then sexual perverted beasts appeared, raping and using kids against their will and rules had to be placed on the table, dictating that relations between adults and children was prohibited. Of course there was people who felt true not-malice oriented feelings, but to be just sometimes you have to be unfair, and this is a true reality.
Now imagine that in the nowadays society relationships between adults and kids are allowed. Hurray! your dream came true! But with our current society (involving EVERY aspect of it, laws, ethics, education, etc) girls will be "taken" (as in married) by adults, if and only if they (she) have the good wil to, of course. Yes, boys will be taken too by adult women, but that is another topic. Now lets put ourselves in a future where this is implemented. Girls will start to feel attraction by adults, or more grown up men (as in maturity) thus since their preteen age they will start to develop a fast pace maturity because of the kind of relations they will have (involving grown up relationships). Now, in school, there will be a big difference between boys and girls in both behavior and psiquis. Then boys of 10 years old will not be the same as a 10 years old girl. And sincerely, that is not cool. Not for you who will taste a delicious 10 years old pussy, but for the future children who will live their puberty and adolescence in a different (low) pace compared to girls.
I'd like for TRUE pedophilia to be treated like homosexuality. It is known, partially accepted, it is in fact "practiced", but ethically it is still put in doubt. So relationships are maintained inside doors, or in particular exclusive places.
No.21599
I am into 2d. One night my curiosity got the better of me, and I looked up PureNudism. Absolutely nothing. I found it as erotic as watching someone's home movies. Anybody who says 2d is a slippery slope to 3d has gone full SJWtard.
No.21612
Either way you slice it, societies approach to pedophilia is shit. You cannot hate something like pedophilia out of existance any more than you can hate terrorism or racism out of existance. Pedophilia is not going away and trying to ignore it or keep it underground has the exact opposite effect that people seem to want (which is less kids being harmed). Alternatives for them as well as possible therapy (REAL THERAPY) and reform on confidentiality laws are needed if society expects anything to happen.
But society really just wants pedophiles removed from existance and can't really get that since countries tend to get uppity and try and overthrow your government when you announce a planned genocide of a group.
No.21634
>>7046
It happens, you just need to keep to lolicon/shotacon/toddlercon.
What we make virtually can look even more real than reality itself, better detail, lots of scenarios.
If you keep your fetish hidden in the physical world you have no risk of prison or vigilante/mob justice.
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A pedophile is one who is attracted to a prepubescent child or children. The definition does not mention drawn, digitally simulated, real, 2d, 3d.
So strictly by definition all lolicons, shotacons, and toddlercons are pedophiles. To be a pedophile is not an awful thing.
A person is a pedophile because of something inside them and while people may say it is bad or good it is simply what is.
Chances are if you have grown up in the US or in Canada or another country like it you may likely despise and hate yourself for your condition at least for a little while. We hear all growing up how it is evil, twisted, immoral.
In the midst of all this there is protected material. We have a god of lust named Eros who is in the form of a naked boy. We have Cupid shooting love arrows who is a boy with wings naked except for a diaper. We have pictures of naked children with wings we call faeries, we have poems and stories from famous authors in the past.
You cannot risk telling anyone.
Your family would never trust you around your nieces and nephews, second cousins, if you have a daughter or son you would prolly never be trusted around them.
Priests while they might understand might break the seal of confession because of mandatory reporting laws or a moral feeling. A Priest breaking the seal of confession under any circumstance risks their very soul. They also face automatic excommunication if found out by the Catholic church and only the Pope is supposed to be able to reverse that. They take oaths to protect the secrets of confession, secrets between you, the priest, and god. They are not allowed to break the seal even to save their own life or that/those of others.
Psychiatrists and therapists have a duty to report if they feel you pose any danger to a child.
If you do any of these you may as well have turned yourself in. If you turn yourself in or if you escaped jail time you would likely have a curfew and monitoring bracelet, you would have a sex offender registration, you would have police visits both scheduled and random, internet would be monitored if allowed.
Now for alot of us, especially those here, our preference is what is known as lolicon/shotacon/toddlercon, in other words virtual. We will read stories, look at drawn/digitally created images, readlook at mangas(got some fantranslated ones), watch digitally created videos, read/watch/play Visual Novels/Hentai Games(there are some that have been fantranslated into english). It harms nobody and is good for us.
i think that those people who are trying to destroy lolicon, shotacon, and toddlercon do not understand the danger that their success would bring about. If they get it illegal everywhere and managed to destroy all material do they think the fetish will just die? Because the urges will still be there and there would now be no alternative to real children. i think parents and families of children would rather have those with attraction to a child or children sate their lust with lolicon, shotacon, and toddlercon rather than to risk their child/children getting harmed.
No.21635
>>21634
correction
*If you do any of these you may as well have turned yourself in. If you turn yourself in or if you escaped jail time or after you got out of jail you would likely have a curfew and monitoring bracelet, you would have a sex offender registration, you would have police visits both scheduled and random, internet would be monitored if allowed.*
No.21826
How many people on this board have autopedophilia?
And by that, I mean fantasizing they were a small boy/girl again and having sex with an adult?
Just curious.
No.21854
>>21826
I do. If anything the autopedophilia is slightly more prominent for me than the pedophilia.
Although my fantasies are less about sex and more about various fetishes such as diapers and bondage.
No.21895
>>21826
sometimes I have such fantasies
usually framed as acquiring a perfect loli body/avatar in some sort of post-human future
note that I mean having a body that looks like a 2D anime-styled loli
No.23123
>>21895
>acquiring a perfect loli body/avatar in some sort of post-human future
I have almost exactly the same kind of fantasies, although I would prefer a realistic human body. That said, I would want a few augmentations to give my adult carer/owner a bit more control over my basic bodily functions. Who doesn't want their loli to come with "orgasm" and "pee" buttons?
I think that kind of transhumanist artificial body manufacturing and mind-transfer is the long-term solution to both pedophilia and autopedophilia. The pedophiles can hook up with the autopedophiles and live out their fantasies together in fully consensual relationships.
No.23134
>>7046 Just like watching fictional rape turns me on and actual rape has the opposite effect, I'm not attracted to the real thing.
No.23135
>>18953
Ponyfag here. Clearly those images depict us and our pornography perfectly.
No.23149
are you crazy? better to die a 1000 slow deaths than throw away everything for nothing. have the fantasy in your mind and choose to obey law and decency
No.23430
https://archive.is/uIA4s
The BBC posted this today.
I'm surprised that they actually distinguished between a pedophile and a child molester.
That said, all the genocidal whackjobs came out of the woodwork on various forums and blogs.
Because, you know, having a sexual attraction to children and never acting on it is exactly the same as acting on it!
No.23432
>>23430
I've heard about this thing in Germany, it's good that you can go there as a child abuser and not get reported, that is definitely progressive, in a good sense. But in general these treatments revolve around suppressing your pedo boner for children, their aim is to make you feel more guilty and miserable, and afterwards (hopefully) better, to release you from this attraction. To that end any stimulation involving children is considered bad, hence "not being around children" tip. It also, obviously, scorns any type of pornography that pedophiles might consume. Now, psychology of adult porn is somewhat researched topic, but child pornography and pedophilia and how two of those relate is still a black hole. This is the first time in a history of humanity when we can have easily available digital stimulation for pedophiles. I'm talking about drawings, written fiction, chats and forums to discuss pedophilia, in addition to actual CP. All of those things help to indulge and escape reality. There is no way of telling if a person is gonna be more safe and docile while consuming some sort of digital aid, or if he abstracts from ALL of it, completely cutting yourself off from any notion of having sexual thoughts about children.
>Max has never abused a child sexually, nor does he consume child pornography — itself a form of indirect abuse, because children are usually involved in its production.
This is unfortunately a very hypocritical statement (especially coming from UK) that paints an easy choice for pedophiles. General public sees stuff like this and thinks "oh, that makes sense". But in reality stuff that is labeled child pornography does not in any way correlate with abuse. If a little girl took a lewd picture of herself and send it someone she knew and it ended up on the internet - it's child pornography. If you have nudist pictures of naked little girls and no way of proving these pics are from nudists - it's child pornography. In fact, there is no way of proving abuse even in child modelling, see that youtube video where past girl models were trying to record a message in defense of the producer. In a lot of places, like mentioned UK, simulated pedo aid is also labeled child pornography, where no children were involved. Most of the time the decision making for anti-pedo legislation goes like this "Are people allowed to think sexually about children? - No? Ban everything that helps them do that". Unfortunately, all the therapy nowadays also works from the implied statement that people should not think sexually about children and they have to be cured of that. But the fact is, for every one of those people who applied to the treatment, there are 500 who would not do that because they don't feel like they have a problem.
No.23721
>>18925
I know this is a three month old post but you were right until your second paragraph.
>you're the same as one of those virginfags who never gets laid that faps to 2D girls, but would go limp and have a panic attack around any 3D girl.
Judging your reader with tangential stereotypes and ad hominem makes you look like a fool. In fact, that was so irrelevant that it made you look desperate to justify your statements.
No.23768
>>23430
And saying no one can consent to sex until they're X years old is just as stupid, but people still think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
No.23786
>>23768
It's not stupid. I've never understood the paedophiles' explanation for why it should be ok to fuck children.
No.23787
>>23786
Not that anon, but now that you said that i would actually also like to ger a reasonable explanation why it should be ok.
No.23791
>>23432
> But in general these treatments revolve around suppressing your pedo boner for children, their aim is to make you feel more guilty and miserable
Maybe. I'm not sure whether it's that simple. You see, if society doesn't tolerate adult-child sexual contacts, the only way of helping paedophiles is suppressing their urges, as those urges mustn't be acted out then. At least I only see this conflict, or dilemma, no solution to it.
I remember a Projekt Dunkelfeld doctor naming in a German television talk show that very dilemma, too. They do want to help paedophiles, but they don't really know what the best way to do so is. He employed an analogy in which an alcoholic gets invited to a cocktail party but declines, saying 'I have to be abstinent, I'm an alcoholic', the others commending him on his pertinacity; as opposed to a paedophile who gets asked to sit a neighbour's child but declines, saying 'I have to be abstinent, I'm a paedophile', the neighbour becoming scared of him thinking he's a weird and disgusting person. I think I'll leave this analogy uncommented.
> Now, psychology of adult porn is somewhat researched topic, but child pornography and pedophilia and how two of those relate is still a black hole.
Yes, unfortunately, but I think we've boxed ourselves into a corner with that: When child porn was still legal, no researcher thought of investigating that, and now that such research could be interesting, nobody is allowed to do it anymore.
As for your paragraph about what kinds of stuff are labelled child porn, you're right, but I think most of the special cases you describe, e.g. the girl taking lewd pictures of herself, are rather exceptional. The stereotypical child porn (if people actually do have a manifest stereotypical image of child porn) is a hand camera video in bad quality showing a little girl getting raped. (That's one reason why I don't want lolicon to be called child porn: because by calling it child porn it automatically gets connected to that kind of stuff.)
No.23830
>>21460
That graph has to be bullshit
No.25389
Personally I want to have rough sex IRL. Make girls cry, cum in their holes, beat the sluts….
No.25433
>>25389
Mr. FBI, can you be a little bit more inventive in your baiting?
No.25440
>>25433
I'm not FBI you retarded faggot. I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers and then they shot your dick off before they kill you. You dumb fucks think everyone is FBI, you are worthless paranoid shit head. Unless this forum did anything illegal why would the FBI give a fuck you retarded nigger?
I wish idiots like you would just kill yourself you disgusting failed abortion. Crawl back into your mother's Cunt.
No.25447
>>25433
Ignore the retard edgyfag, he's been around for about two weeks spamming "rape" and "nigger" in every thread
No.25460
>>7046
i'm in your boat 100%, i'm attracted to 3d quite a bit more than 2d (in most cases) but i stay away from it for ethical (somewhat) and legal (definitely) reasons
it's unfortunate that some people are trying to spin the narrative that 2d leads to 3d when, for me at least, it's the other way around: i use 2d as a way to cope so that i'm able to handle my sexuality in a way that doesn't hurt or cross anyone
i mean i could probably live a celibate, non-masturbating life if i had to, but it would significantly decrease my quality of life for no reason other than to satisfy a bunch of ignorant and/or malicious politicians and activists
No.25467
>>25440
It's just a usual thing, some bored LEA start spamming really transgessive stuff to judge how potentially dangerous the forum is. That's why a lot of sadistic forums (the ones that are on clearnet) chose to ban underage discussion, so that they don't attract too much heat. If you're not one, sorry. But there is no reason to say "i want to beat up children" in a loli board, nobody here is that deviant. Surely you can find other places to talk to people about your ugres and fantasies.
No.25470
>>25467
>>25467
WTF is Lea? And clearnet? I'm lost. Also I didn't start this thread I bumped it so go eat shit.
>>25447
I've only been here a week. I've seen old post that say nigger and faggots so please stop lying I'm not the only one who uses those words.
First I'm FBI now I'm edgy. Maybe you all should stop playing arm chair psychologist because you could never guess what I am and who I am.
No.25474
>>25470
LEA stands for law enforcement agency
clearnet presumably means not darknet though i've never heard it called that
No.25479
>>25470
You just proved me right, I just gave you the benefit of the doubt and said 2 weeks. You can find posts with it in there but you are painfully obvious in how much you go out of your way to spam edgy shit in every thread about rape and calling anyone who doesn't like rape a nigger that should be raped and killed by niggers. Also I said anything about the words "faggots" so learn to read edgyfag.
No.25510
>>25474
Yes thank you. I don't get why people:
Take this place too seriously, your lively hood is not based on what happens in this place
Are paranoid that the FBI is watching.They have bigger issues and this is all legal.
No.26963
>>7157
>reported for generating discussion
You do know this is an imageboard right?
No.26969
>>26963
No reason to bump this thread over a 9 month old post.
No.26987
I have zero attraction to the real thing and zero attraction to the younger loli stuff. My loli tastes are mostly in the teen-looking girls. Honestly, if 90% of hentai wasn't chicks with comically oversized asses and tits then I'd probably be into that but I prefer petite girls (in both anime and real life) and loli has more of that.
No.26990
>>26987
You clearly are a pedophile.
No.27015
>>26963
Who's this butterface?
No.27016
>>26990
You clearly are a troll.
No.27017
I tried to do an experiment with myself, and actually went to a park bench and watched kids play for a few hours ( broken up with reading newspaper, smoking, playing game son my cell… act natural ) and I didn't even get a lil aroused, and kids of varying ages outfits and genders strolled by. Nothing happened.
I don't even know how this shit works.
No.27022
>>27017
It's best if you look at a girl who is playing with her clothes.
No.27065
>>27017
I assume next you're going to go to a starbucks for a few hours and when none of the women arouse you because they aren't doing anything arousing you'll then say you must be gay?
Like what the fuck, do people legitimately think pedos sit in parks masturbating thinking "oh yeah use those monkey bars you little slut"
No.27264
>>7085
But expect new laws would come out too and other ethical issues involved…
No.27394
>>23786
Because without societies stigma sex is not so dangerous and complex a thing that children, assuming they at least have a sufficient grasp of language to understand the concepts, couldn't reasonably consent to it.
Furthermore the age of consent as a law actually flies in the face of what a fair legal system should be, as it in effect presumes guilty until proven innocent.
No.27398
>>7046
>>26987
>>27017
I'm 21 and live real close to a middle school. I constantly see scantily clad girls from the ages 12-16 walking by my house. They wear low cut tops, makeup, colored wristbands/bracelets and tiny shorts that cut off a few inches above their knees. I have honestly never once thought to myself "Fuck, they're hot!" or even so much as equated them with sex, ever.
It just makes me feel incredibly bad for pedophiles because I understand how difficult it must be for them, especially with young girls looking and acting like they do nowadays. It's like locking a shark in an underwater cage and letting the blood from a big juicy dolphin steak leak through until it becomes frustrated and goes into a frenzy. Eventually it realizes it will never get the steak, accepts it and later dies of starvation.
Nothing can yet be done about the fact that a small minority of peoples brains are wired differently to others in certain areas, so there really is no solution to the "pedo problem" society faces. As long as there are children, there will be adults who are attracted to them sexually and I think this just needs to be realized and accepted. Whether this might be in 10 years or 1000 years, I seriously doubt we will see any hints of it in our lifetime. The only thing pedophiles need at the moment is control over their desires, as they always have.
To answer the OP, whilst I love lolicon I prefer older women IRL. As I've already stated, kids do absolutely nothing for me, regardless of their age or appearance.
No.27402
>>27398
Good old parent logic; dress children like sluts and whores, then complain about people who sexualize children, pedophiles and/or child molesters.
Having children needs an IQ/common sense requirement.
No.27410
>>27398
Well what you have seen does not arouse you, you can't really know unless you've seen material or been in situations that are overtly erotic.
I mean I'm a true blue pedo and when I see some scantily clad young girl walk past I don't really feel aroused at all I just think "oh she looks cute" and move on, because the mood just isn't right for it.
No.27413
>>27398
Every time someone equates 12-16 y.o girls to pedophilia a child gets molested. Stop doing that. Puberty is gross and teenage whores belong in the trash.
No.27414
>>27398
>Whether this might be in 10 years or 1000 years, I seriously doubt we will see any hints of it in our lifetime.
I bet 50 years ago nobody thought that somewhen lgbt will be considered normal and have all the civil rights. Ditto for 100 years and niggers and 200 years and women.
No.27828
>>18794
>>18797
>>18927
Old comments, but I want to add to this with a different point of view on the fantasy vs reality topic.
I fap to MLP porn, but when watching the actual cartoon, I feel nothing. To me, the hyper-sexualized pony on my screen is pretty much a completely different character than the one on the television. It's all fantasy in my head. I feel no interest in fucking the cartoon horses on the television. They have simple designs, are underdeveloped sexually, and are not meant to look sexual. It takes a talented artist who is good at drawing sexual things to redesign that cookie-cut cartoon horse into something fuckable. And at that point, I'm not fapping to Pinkie Pie or something, but to a completely different character that exists in my head.
While it may not be 2D vs 3D, I think it's a decent example of fantasy vs "the real thing."
If cartoon horses trigger you, re-read this post with Poke'girls or Sonic, or whatever else tickles your fancy.
No.27892
>>7067
>She's a real girl
>She doesn't love you
Girls are like kitty kats?
No.27893
>I really love drawn loli stuff, and would love if they were real and cuddleable in three dimensions, but the fact is that every time I've accidentally stumbled across real child porn, I've felt a really viscerally negative reaction. Like sick and scared and then bummed out for a while.
You knew the man abandoned the girl. He didn't keep her as a bride, etc. There was no happily ever after.
Old religions had a solution: the man keeps the girl as a bride.
No.27894
>>15687
Man was ment to mate with girl, not tree.
No.27896
>- 3D grows old and dies, just like everything in the real world.
3D lasts longer than not4chan did
No.27972
I am attracted to 2D and 3D (art)… not RL… RL just doesn't "fit the bill"… I find nothing attractive about under-educated and uninformed. Even when they are smart as hell and informed, they just don't have that "desire" I crave.
However, 2D and 3D (art) is nothing more than small adults, as in, "with a wide knowledge of sexual information and desire". Which, is appealing to me.
Honestly, I just hate tall and fat people, and strive to be reproducing offspring and loving thin and height-challenged individuals. However, they don't make art like that… Well, they do… Loli art.
I also love the expressions and attention to detail of the subjects and scenes. Though, isolated lolis are cute too. (Without some kind of subject, other than themselves, it is just nudity, which is not attractive, but still adorable.)
Plus… there is no other way to cram 30 dildos into one hole, 20 anal-beads, and have 7 men occupy enough space to please a RL person. But in loli-land… that is as easy to do as get raped by an alien octopus with balls.
No.27988
i wonder if anyone else feels this way, but i am actually not attracted at all to young girls in person. to me its just masturbation material, maybe because not much does it for me anymore. i think it's just the matter that it is taboo that gets me off. that said, i am attracted to pubescent girls. age 13 is the lowest that i would say i'm attracted to in person. and the thing that sucks for me is the pubscent age is the most difficult thing to find on the internet. it's all either too old or way too young. there's only pre-teen models, hardly any young teen models.
No.32480
They are the same. Look at the cp problem here .
No.32482
>>32480
No they're not, SJW fag. YOu can't even see the difference in bot spam that only spreads virus' vs CP actually being posted. Now go drink a bottle of bleach.
No.32491
I am not sexually attracted to prepubescent girls. That's gross.
No.32492
No, real kids are disgusting and anoying
No.32510
>>7046
There is no definitive answer. Some of us aren't attracted to real loli's, some are.
No.32511
>>32480
>>32482
>>32491
>>32492
>>32510
Can you stupid faggots not revive this shitty thread?
No.32513
>>32511
this
Children are people. Drawings aren't. People can be hurt, drawings can't. End of story.
No.32514
>>32511
Bump. Just to piss this nigger loving fag off.
>>32513
And your point is?
The OP's question was whether or not the attraction is the same, not who/what - can/can't be harmed. I'm attracted to real girls. Doesn't mean I touch them.
At least not anymore
No.32515
>>32511
The thread was already at the top of the front page when all of those people posted (including myself). It still is. Sage won't do shit you fag but here's your sage.
Also, anyone that tries to equate 2d with child porn is likely a moralfagging shitposter or agent provocateur, or a retarded sjw (counts as a moralfag). Either way, all need to fuck off.
No.32520
>>32515
Your kind who try to pretend human biology changes when things become drawn are the worse thing to ever happen to the loli community.
Japan doesn't have these bullshit mental gymnastics you fuckwits do. They fully understand that those attracted to drawings of little girls are attracted to them because they have a genetic sexual preference and it doesn't differentiate between 2D and 3D. Otherwise you wouldn't get an erection- there is a reason why your body reacts lIke that, kiddo.
Pretty fucking ironic considering almost everything on this board is drawn by the Japanese who don't have these stupid fucking qualms. Maybe they aren't stupid enough to assign attraction with action. Your bullshit, mate, only exists as a defense mechanism to protect yourself from your shitty society. If you grew up in Japan you wouldn't have any of these hang ups. They sell lolicon hentai manga in the same places you can buy junior idol mags. The latter is full of contents some people here would freak out (after furiously masturbating) and call it CP, etc. In Japan people buy both and some people have peferences for one or the other. The same sexual attraction to little girls.
Pretty fucking sad when businesses are more honest than people like you who would label me something as asinine as a fucking moralfag or sjw. You're the social moralfag here, mate. The worst thing is that American guilt culture is producing so much of this patently obvious cognitive dissonance.
No.32523
>>32520
it's more than an American guilt culture, lad. the hate crimes against pedos are world wide.
pedophilia is a sexual orientation, like homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality.
once upon a time, you could be imprisoned for having gay sex or looking at gay porn. same thing. being gay was once labeled by the mental health profession as a sexual deviation, same as pedos are now.
stop the pedo witch hunt. stop hate crimes against pedos or MAPs (minor attracted adults)
btw, anyone who says they fap to loli and aren't attracted to real children are lying to us or to themselves.
No.32541
>>32514
>And your point is?
Point is they aren't the fucking same by virtue of what they are. Both can exist independently of the other.
For example, I like vore, but if I saw someone consume someone else in one bite I would be fucking terrified, same thing with lolicon.
Shit like this gives validity to the position "hurr lolicon makes 3DPD pedos."
Stop trying to limit my fucking porn options because too retarded to know fantasy is reflected from reality, not the other way around.
No.32544
>>32541
>Sees a 2D pic of adult licking little girl pussy - faps
>Sees a 3D pic of adult licking little girl pussy - shits his pants
>Thinks he's not actually attracted to thought of adult licking little girl pussy - in denial
Keep telling yourself you're not actually a pedo because they are drawings. Maybe someday you'll believe that.
No.32556
>>32523
> anyone who says they fap to loli and aren't attracted to real children are lying to us or to themselves.
they're lying to both. they can't handle the truth that they want to put their cock in a tight lil loli pussy.
loli pussy really is a delight to fuck. quit being autistic and go fuck one today
No.32558
>>32520
>>32523
>>32544
>>32556
Fuck off, agent provocateur.
No.32577
>>32558
Truth hurts don't it mate?
No.32580
>>32520
Well as a pedo myself i want to ask you why do you think you actually know how "2D" lolicons feel? I agree that their hatred of pedophilia is sometimes tiring and very hypocritical, especially when they misrepresent what Japanese lolicon porn truly is about when they say lolicon is not about age, but i do genuinely believe them when they say they're not attracted to children.
Consider the following. how did you find yourself enjoying lolicon? The path was probably something like - you started feeling attracted to children, then you found lolicon and maybe some other things like child modelling as a legal (sort of) means to satisfy those urges, no? The other way is that you fapped to lolicon so much you started feeling attracted to children, but that's rare and also not what we're talking about.
Why do western 2D lolicons exist? Well i think it's because of a hentai community and it's (now dwindling) acceptance of lolicon as a very popular fetish. For western lolicons discovery of lolicon was probably something along the lines: you watch anime while growing up, you love it, you find out about hentai because it's like anime but with porn, you start visiting hentai websites and involve yourself in the community, you see certain fetishes that seem weird and creepy like lolicon but because everyone seem to be enjoying them in the open you don't feel as bad - you start fapping to lolicon. At no point in that chain of events these people were feeling attracted to children.
Now, i actually think as the time goes on there will be less and less pure 2D lolicons, just because their fetish is getting attacked so much it's really difficult to find out hentai communities that encourage and treat lolicon as equal fetish to others. Sure, there are plenty of loli websites, but you will not find them unless you're already into it. And that means newfags who are growing up now will automatically draw the line before lolicon, as a fetish that is too dangerous and objectionable, and the only people who will think its acceptable are the ones that are attracted to children already. It's a negative feedback loop. So yeah, i think even if Japan doesn't ban lolicon in coming years the only western lolicons that will be left are pedophiles, so you'll have your justice one way or the other.
No.32590
>>32544
>>Sees a 3D pic of adult licking little girl pussy - shits his pants
never said that. Personally, I would be indifferent to a 3DPD child getting fucked.
>you're not actually a pedo because they are drawings
>drawings
so you don't think drawings are people
No.32600
My personal tastes lend me to being able to fap to almost anything at or below a C cup, but I find all 3D people to be gross. ALL OF THEM. Don't care if they're teenagers or kids or adults or whatever. I am so far down the weaboo rabbit hole that I feel legitimately disgusted when I see any naked 3DPD of any kind.
>eyes too small
>noses too big
>undesirable hair/hair follicles everywhere
>poopy assholes
>vag is often discolored and shit
>usually smell like shit irl
>annoying voices
>gross feet
>hair (on their head) is usually a mess compared to neat looking 2D hair
>almost never able to fulfill all my weird fetishes like 2D can (womb shots, inflation, legit looking tentacles, actual public sex as opposed to that "public" sex where they're in the middle of the woods or some other bullshit that's miles away from civilization, etc.)
Even if I was "in denial", then why the fuck would I waste my time here when I could find actual CP on the deep web? TOR with the proper setup isn't in any way hard to set up, m8. You think I care about what people think or something? I have a 2D waifu and daughteru along with a fetish for military rape, so it is already far too late for me anons.
No.32605
Well… in my country its ok, even if you are mature, but you have to have permission of the parents to get to the REAL thing, something that is not unusual. With that in mind, I already fucked a 11 and 12 years old (both weren't virgins) and I have to say that wasn't that good. You cant fuck them right because there's no room and you end masturbating in their mouths only. Its much better a more mature girl (15/17) if you want 'young' girls. At least they can hold your dick. =P
No.32606
Forgot to say: and now, I can't really feel horny with real lolis, just 2D. =P
No.32611
No.32615
Truth be told I have seen both, and I think the real stuff fucked me up. I was wandering the deep web a few years back, stumbled upon it and the thing that fucked with me is how different it was than expected. Your whole life people tell you stories of kids being brutally raped. Then you see what all the fuss is and it's not particularly violent, and instead there's some kid laying there all nonchalant about it. That's what fucked me up.
As a young girl I masturbated from the time I was 4. So I started self-inserting with the stuff I saw. Pretending I was the girls, but each time I got off it hurt my soul. I have no attraction to kids, but my fetish for imagining myself as a little girl or a young teen taking cock from an older teen Oni-chan sometimes takes over. Been trying to quit, because the disconnect messes with me.
Trying to quit Loli and 3D all together. Wish I could talk to a shrink, but I'm afraid of them thinking that I want to touch kids. But I don't. There's zero desire there, just me imagining myself being younger and fucking older guys.
There's so much guilt and shame inside me.
No.32631
I only like 2D. There was a time I worried about being attracted to 3D. Though I only like 2D. Started by fapping to Pokemon, Digimon and Palcomix shit. I fap to tons of things and I don't label myself. I fap to furry yaoi but I don't consider myself gay or even bi. I have no actual interest in 3D at all. I've heard its possible to be Asexual and fap to porn but I don't buy into that.
Like it or not liking Lolicon doesn't make you a pedophile BUT its not that black and white. Its entirely possible for pedophiles and other criminals to be attracted to lolicon.
I remember going to Lolicon R Us because some youtuber advertised it. At first it seemed like a good site that wasn't too pedofriendly. However they actually have plenty of members who openly admit to possessing CP. There was even a poll about it. I stopped going there. I think there was a thread where people got angry over that. Flatchan had some of that too but I think its more stricter now.
I also don't buy that "Lolicon is totally different from 3D". I disagree. Ones a cartoon where no one is harmed(mostly) and another is illegal content. Only difference is the head. I did get curious on how exactly these artists draw them so well. I asked around and one guy said there exist those that are traced. I gotten a bit paranoid over that.
I don't know how Japanese culture is like. Theres so many interpretations about it. I know they have real idol shit but I don't care for it. Its legal where there at. I remember seeing some threads where some artists do trace but its very small.
The whole thing is frustrating because there is very very little information on it.
No.32633
>>32615
You'd be suprised how common your feelings are. The term generally used is "autopedophilia", and I know at least two people with the condition, which has given me a very interesting perspective on loli and this whole fetish thing.
I'd say it is worth seeking out others in the scene to talk with and share experiences with. Its nowhere near as black and white as its often made out to be. Some autopedophiles were even subject to underage sex themselves, and remember enjoying it.
I'd say that, sans the ability to talk to a shrink, finding a good community of autos to talk to might help aswell, if not more. Roleplaying out your desires in a safe environment can also help you better understand and control them.
No.32657
>>32640
>they tend to be jealous
not at all
alot of people molested as children get off to loli
i don't know, you are probably a adult man who has never been molested, so you shouldn't try to tell victims what they feel or don't feel
the only people who i've seen have a huge anger against loli due to obvious jealousy are raging old feminazis who think "i disagree with your opinion" is rape
No.32668
>>8362
I would fuck her in a heartbeat!
No.32685
>>32615
>The most fucked up part was how it wasn't as fucked up as they said it was
Yeah, normies sure are lying fags, huh?
No.32801
>>32615
>just me imagining myself being younger and fucking older guys.
This is more common than you might think. I was in two ltr's with women who loved roleplaying as a young girl for me. One wasn't interested in young girls herself, but didn't mind that I lusted after her daughter and nieces and would pretend to be them when we had sex. The other was also attracted to girls, and oour lovemaking varied between her roleplaying as one and us talking about what we'd like to do with girls we knew (her daughters, her daughter's friends, her younger sister, her niece, etc) or saw during an outing that day. It can be quite exhilarating to share things like that with your partner. Give it a try. Just approach your partner and say something like "Daddy…I'm reeeeal horny". I bet he'll be into it.
No.32925
>>8058
It was a simple matter of repetitive exposure for me.
I used to find 2D repulsive, but as I witnessed more and more of it, I gradually transitioned from liking both 2D and 3D, and eventually 2D exclusively. I can't even get hard looking at 3D anymore - it's actually pretty disgusting to me.
2D is the one true way.
No.32935
>>32657
No to everything you said. No cunts are here. Only men like this shit. I had a gf that hated I liked hentai. She bitched at me saying I have impossible standards, that I'm a freak blah blah. Or if the women approve they are still jealous. another girl I dated said she loves it but joked "I could never have the look of hentai girls". Another annoying cunt.
Cunts tend to be jealous, mean, competitive, nasty etc.
No.33424
>If you like loli you are a pedo
Using this same logic and I can surmise that anyone who watched Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a Furry.
No.33453
For some people it is, for other people it isnt.
Thats fucking it, you guys wasted 500 replies for nothing.
No.33479
>>32935
you don't know how wrong you are
No.35012
I want a child bride. I will only sleep with one more girl, and I will marry her. She must be a virgin loli.
No.35013
I want a child bride. I will only sleep with one more girl, and I will marry her. She must be a virgin loli.
No.35023
>>32935
really? i knew girls are competitive as fuck to other actual girls
but hentai?
shit man, it's a cartoon. god it must suck being a girl when they are all hyper competitive to the point where they are comparing themselves to cartoons
No.35175
>>32631
I just have to interject here for a moment, even if it's nearly 2 months old: being a pedophile is not a crime
No.35187
>wanting real kids
Real kids are dumb little things that barely qualify as people. Why would I want my dick anywhere near those miniature monsters?
No.35194
It's just a matter of personal preference.
No.37908
I like both to an extent. I've got a nice 2d collection I fap to regularly. As for 3d, I've dabbled a little bit into CP in the past out of curiosity. In the end, I never found 3d sexy the way 2d is. I've stayed clear of any CP ever since then. That being said, every now and then I come across a picture like this that gets me goin. It's all just thoughts though. Nothing I'm worried about acting on. Some of us have a little more self-control than others.
No.37948
>>37908
Not really, some of us just have more to lose and/or prioritize differently. You don't have to lack self-control to have little to live for and/or desire(s) that overpowers your fear of normie retribution.
Being terrified into inaction on your desires and nature is not proper self-control that stems from one's will power nor something to act a smug cunt over, it is a survival mechanism caused by external forces. Given the slight glimpse into your actual self you've allowed us, I can see why you'd use it. If normies had any idea what you really are, they'd have lynched you a long time ago. Not because you're a pedo, either. Because you're a gigantic faggot.
No.37956
>448 posts and 68 image replies omitted. Click to expand.
No.37958
>>37948
Can sense the fedora on you, spouting this incorrect pseudo-intellectual bull and trying so hard to be edgy.
No.37959
>>37958
except he actually does have a point in-between the edgy ranting. obeying the law because you're afraid of the consequences is different than obeying it because you think it's the right thing to do.
No.37961
>>37948
>>37959
Remember that time you were really mad and thought of killing someone? Wow, you are a horrible monster now. You sick murderer. Better go turn yourself in.
Remember that time your were fapping and your mom all of the sudden popped up into your head for who knows why? You're a disgusting incest lover now. Better go tell everyone you know, then hide in your room in shame for the rest of your life.
Remember that time you were just chilling and all of the sudden you started thinking about sucking your best friends dick because psychology is fucking weird like that sometimes? Welp, hate to break it to you, but you're gay now. Sorry.
See how retarded your logic is?
No.37964
>>37961
how in the fuck did you get "thinking about doing something is the same as doing something" from that? this is too stupid to even be a strawman, seriously just fuck off
No.37966
>>37959
Moot point seeing as the guy he was replying to while trying to act like an internet tough guy said he does it out of preference, not because of the law.
No.37969
>>37958
Fedora would fall more along the lines of
>I am an enlightened pedophile that has self-control no one else possesses
Will you be tipping it for me now or later?
No.37980
Anyone know where I can get some of the more… hardcore stuff?
No.37981
>>37980
Certainly. There's a delivery van waiting outside your home, I believe it's got 'Flowers By Irene' written on the side. Do bring a party hat; it's quite festive inside.
No.37991
>>37969
It also falls in the line of an idiot trying way to hard to act smart with pseudo-intellectual BS on the internet.
No.38001
>>37991
Precisely. So shut up.
No.38014
>>38001
The only one who needs to shut up is the fedorafag and any one retarded enough to back him up.
No.38015
>>38014
Yeah, that's what I said. Shut up.
No.38016
>>38015
After you, fedorafag.
No.38023
I would love to kill a pedo, mainly because of their incredibly shit taste.
There's really nothing more bratty and disgusting than 3DPD kids/tweens. I can't understand why anyone would want to force a dick into them. Too small to pleasure an adult woman?
You're pathetic and not welcome here. Since the early days of Lolicon communities the pedos have always been cast out whenever they decide to reveal themselves.
It really says a lot when even people considered to be 'degenerates' like lolicons and furries think you're scum.
You are a cancer to this board and need to GTFO
No.38077
>>38016
>All of this projection
>>38023
>Implying you decide who is welcome here
Top kek, faggot.
No.38125
>>38077
>kek
Halfchan fedorafag confirmed. Kill yourself now.
No.38161
>>38125
>Being this upset about being the lad we all wew at
Apex qeq
No.38165
>>38161
More shitposting by the halfchanfag. Your kind never fails to be pathetic.
No.38168
>>38023
>>38125
>>38165
I dont know what half of the shit you are posting means, and I already spend too much time on these sites, so the fact that you DO know (presumably) what all of the shit you are spewing means, implies that you spend wayy too much time online and not enough time outside or having a life. That being said, there are a few things you sort of dont seem to understand. For example, a pedophile is merely someone who bears a sexual attraction to children. It doesnt mean they molest… in other words, literally everyone on this board is a pedo… sounds ugly, I know, but YOU are a pedo, newfriend.
Second on the list is the whole "want to force a dick" thing, and the subsequent "too small" bit. We get that you are not coming to terms with what you are very well, but the whole "too small" routine is less offensive to us than it is indicative of your phobia. No one here, not even anyone with a small dick and/or insecurities is really that offended, but probably 97-99% of everyone who reads this sees you as that guy who calls gays "fags" and assumes they all want to rape him because he is really afraid that he might be gay. While I think "projection" is the common vernacular, that is not what I would use to describe this psychological phenomenon, as it seems more "reactionary" than anything.
3rd, as >>38077 pointed out, you really dont get to decide who comes on to this image board, though this is sort of a nitpicky point, considering the size of the overall set of things that were wrong with your post, but i felt it was worth a re-mentioning.
Fourth, and hopefully last, is that I seriously doubt that lolicon communities have been less than sympathetic to "pedos" (considering they are themselves pedophiles), but even if any of that were true it seems unlikely you were there "in the early days of Lolicon communities", judging by the word choices, overall grammatical structure, and content of your post, newbuddy.
Now feel free to try and prove you arent here for the loli, or that you arent a pedo, or that you arent on anonymous imageboards too much, or that you arent a teenager, but really, at this point it would be a futile effort. We all know that you will come back and read this, and get all huffy and puffy, and call me autistic or try to mudsling some more to try and beat your chest (so you can… I dont know… feel powerful on an imageboard?) but your best bet, as far as I can tell, would be to read this and not respond so you can at least pretend that we think you just up and left. Being a newpal is like being drunk irl. Most people can pretend to be drunk with some success, but a drunk cannot pretend to be sober. You already blew your chance at changing anyones mind of anything, and you arent going to chase anyone away or make us become something different or make us feel unwanted and unloved. Whatever you think you are achieving, you probably arent, and whatever energy you are putting in to create this mild nuisance is probably not worth the time you spend typing.
No.38169
>>38168
If you spent half the time you spend on here reading books, you could be something great, but instead you are becoming just another internet leach. We know your type, and we know you will have to have the last word, so feel free to respond, because watching kids like you sperg is chuckleworthy sometimes between faps. Just remember that after you post your little response and start lying to yourself and telling yourself you "won" (whatever that means) and that you are a proud whiteknight, and that "you really stuck it to those pedos", remember that they are all lies you are telling yourself so that you dont have to face the reality that you spend too much time masturbating to hentai pictures of little girls, or imagine yourself having a relationship with them, or that you are spending wayy too much time trying to upset people on loli boards because deep down you have an addiction and you simply cannot face that. You are fucking hooked and some part of you fucking knows it. You despise it, but you know its true, because there is literally no reason in the world that you would be here otherwise. If you were half as "valiant" and "superior" as you think you are, you would be putting yourself through law school so that you could become a senator to help shape the world into a better place, but you dont have what it takes and never will, and you will always come back here, where you can have a tantrum and wake up tomorrow and know that you havent been found out. Your parents dont think youre a pedo, and the people on the imageboard dont know it was you who trolled them that one time.
Now you start typing up your thing, and really give it to me, because Im a sicko who needs to be put in is place, and I spend too much time responding to trolls and you really triggered me blah blah, and so on. Post an FBI tip copypasta or whatever you want to do, and then try not to think too hard about what I said. It can be jarring you realize all at once what you really are. Instead, just walk outside, get some fresh air, and have a great day ;)
No.38170
I'm an actual pedo and I think most lolicons are too. But I think they are still in denial about being pedophiles. That might be a tendency for pedophiles, since I went through some pretty bad denial myself when I first realized in back in middle school and even up through high school. I didn't really come to accept that part of myself til I was halfway through college. High school was especially bizarre, masturbating to loli porn while adamantly insisting pedophiles should be executed by firing squad. Looking back it was sort of ridiculous, but that kind of mentality is a form of psychological repression, so I learned.
No.38172
>>38168
Oh look, anther fedora wearing pseudo-intellectual who is projecting his pedophilia on to others. How euphoric were you while typing out this wall of regurgitated garbage? The only leach here is you, just another projrcting pedo trying to worm his way into here acting like this place is for him when it is not. So fuck off, accept reality or kill yourself, your choice.
No.38281
>>38165
>Accusations of euphoria and of being pathetic from a guy with a website vendetta
Peak jej
>>38172
>This pedophile
Highest fef
No.38286
>>38281
Still nothing but projecting shitposting.
No.38335
No.38336
>>38335
Not at all, sad you are now resorting to "n-no you".
No.38354
No.38476
>>7046
Not for me. I enjoy hanging around children, but would never be turned on by them or thinking of them sexually.
It's kinda weird, i would love to my loli's coming into the real world so i could fuck their brains out, but i think i just love to watch 2D women.
I'm not even turned on my 3D women so i suppose thats how billions of years of evolution ends with me ;p
No.38482
2D and 3D is the same. Most are just little girls, some are meant to be fapped to.
No.38485
>>38482
No they are not. It is literally autism if you can not tell the difference from fiction and reality.
No.38486
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>>38482
Objectively wrong.
No.38487
>>38485
not that I deny my autism, I mean come on, but is it honestly that weird when people like both a fantasy and the real deal?
No.38488
>>38487
People can like both, but that doesn't make them the same.
No.38493