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d1b113  No.92459

The good ol' ATF is down. Is this temporary or permanent? Like it or not they're one of the few communities on the internet dedicated to lolis.

42b8d5  No.92461

I hope it's nothing too serious


a997e0  No.92462

I been waiting patiently, sadly haven't found a way to verify the status of the site either so I've been just sitting here… waiting… and totally not panicking at all.


e3dc71  No.92466

Damn, it's very good place to visit. I downloaded mako park english there.


12d89d  No.92467

Gee…I was going to redownload the Fallout NV mods from there. Anyone have a link to Camera Club?


60243b  No.92469

They are working to get it back online


60243b  No.92470

no data lost


fe0c23  No.92471

Hey, there. I'm here from ATF.

Basically what happened is a bunch of people mass reported the site and got the host to drop it. A recent change in Dutch laws makes Loli illegal there now, so all sites hosted in the Netherlands are under threat.

However no data was lost and the Admins are hard at work to restore everything as quickly as possible. Host suggestions are appreciated.


fe0c23  No.92472

Currently we're holding out on Discord.


0b5bb7  No.92474

Good to know they didn't lose anything, hopefully you're back up and running soon.


42b8d5  No.92476

>>92472

>Currently we're holding out on Discord.

Is there a discord link?


fe0c23  No.92478

>>92476

I don't believe we're allowed to share the Discord link yet.


08014d  No.92479

>>92471

fucking normalfags ruining everything, again


fe0c23  No.92480

>>92479

They probably think this is some major win as well. Want to see their reaction when we're just back in a few days.


366ded  No.92482

>>92459

Is ATF the only remaining lolicon community/forum in the English speaking world?


88bbd9  No.92483

>>92482

Pretty sure /loli/ counts


fe0c23  No.92486

>>92482

Nah, there are quite a few. There's /loli/ right here and we also have Lolicit and Lolibooru. Plus plenty of more general communities that also allow Loli.


582903  No.92487

>>92471

> weed and general degeneracy: legal

> drawn pixels on a computer screen: illegal


bd0c6f  No.92488

>>92482

4chan is still online, even if your 8ch reality distortion field says it isn't.


fe0c23  No.92489

>>92488

>calling 4chan a loli website

What are you from 2003?


a7513d  No.92490

File: 16d15e40f01c94f⋯.png (64.86 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_2019-07-02-15-5….png)

Now checking ATF gives you this, it was something different before, so they're working on it, slowly it seems.


366ded  No.92492

>>92483

It doesn't. This image board isn't a community or forum. Using a name to post leads to being called namefagging.

>>92488

4chan doesn't allow loli content. Posting or requesting such leads to a permaban.


75c522  No.92493

In pomf.tv they said that ATF and affiliated will be back soon.


88bbd9  No.92494

>>92492

>This image board isn't a community

Why?


e10baf  No.92496

File: cb1b39b8ee5771a⋯.jpg (1.07 MB, 1161x1603, 1161:1603, 51fc265bd31ea72f98549ae46d….jpg)

>>92471

Pick one that's based in the US, where loli is legal. A good chunk of the popular websites that host and accommodate loli/shota are US-based.

Here are some examples.

>Sankaku Complex/Sankaku Channel

>Danbooru

>4chan

>8chan

>2chan

>HentaiHaven (Yes, they still have some loli/shota)

>Lolicit

>Kisshentai

>miohentai

>>92492

>4chan doesn't allow loli content

on /b/ they do. It's in the site's rules.


582903  No.92500

>>92496

Every time I visit /b/ to see their loli threads, it's just filled with spiderman and gore and other shit instead.

It used to be semi-allowed on /a/, but I haven't been there in years so I don't know if they're able to get away with it anymore.


5f72d8  No.92503

Maybe now this board will have more activity?

Probably not.


fe0c23  No.92504

>>92496

/b/ barely counts. There's like one Loli thread there per day if you're lucky and half of it will be filled with arguments and unrelated garbage.

Plus it will disappear in a matter of hours. The boards that could actually make use of Loli on 4chan aren't allowed to post it.


71e2d8  No.92505

File: 10defe61208fbe8⋯.jpg (69.71 KB, 960x640, 3:2, 1561983174714.jpg)

>>92500

/a/, /c/, /e/, and /h/ can sometimes get away with it but because of Global Rule 3, only /b/ is allowed to have NSFW loli. So expect jannies to be on that like a moldy hot pocket.

>loli threads raided with spiderman and gore

I haven't seen that happen in a while. I mean who knows, I'm only one guy and I have a life so it might happen when my back is turned. But I post loli there every so often and my threads are usually well-received with anons turning up like "moar like this?" and "sauce".

Honestly the biggest threat to loli threads are usually the posters themselves. Every now and then a decent thread gets derailed by off-topic conversation or contributors get bored and fuck off.


71e2d8  No.92506

File: c8c3fa4ce41becc⋯.jpg (340.57 KB, 960x540, 16:9, FB_IMG_15621276167347188.jpg)

>>92504

see

>>92505

>/b/ barely counts

but hey, it exists and continues to allow it loli despite 4chan's recent mainstream appeal and disgust my normies.

I do agree that other boards could really benefit from it, specifically /h/ and /e/ since it's a form of anime porn. I'd like to see loli hentai general threads on /h/.


71e2d8  No.92507

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366ded  No.92517

>>92496

First of all, thank you for provided resources and references. Even if they aren't all relevant, I do love it when people share lists like this.

Secondly, about Senkaku Complex. Isn't that just a news website? I was fairly certain the proprietors of SC are anti-loli. Their coverage of the situation with Steam banning The Key to Home (which isn't even a porn visual novel) was not favorable. The content and porn coverage I do find insinuates that they only like adult females with large breasts (I've never seen content on their news stream featuring a flat chested adult female or anything remotely close to it).


5a4d8f  No.92519

>>92517

They have a booru here:

https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/

They allow you to view loli content without registering but you can't browse more than 25 pages per search without creating an account, also the site is little bit slow sometimes at least in my country.


582903  No.92526

>>92505

Different time zones, perhaps? I remember many threads being spammed down with shit. Of course, there were many good threads as well. I actually liked the conversations that could take place, unless it was cringy roleplaying stuff.

>>92517

The "news" part of SC is so hilariously biased. But I have yet to see any loli hating newsposts.


fe0c23  No.92529

>>92517

The users at least are very pro-loli. You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children. Although that was some time ago at this point.


4cb014  No.92533

>>92529

>You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children.

That is not the same as pro-loli. Don't conflate real pedoshit with loli, nigger.


fe0c23  No.92534

>>92533

You clearly have a problem with reading comprehension if that's what you took from my post.


fc72ea  No.92537

File: cd98897d96f98b4⋯.png (8.88 MB, 2442x3371, 2442:3371, 6b752e88bfb8078aef3b4bf1aa….png)

>>92517

The list was mostly there to prove that US-based sites can safely host and accommodate loli/shota porn without much worry. If HentaiHaven can still get away with hosting Implicity, Toshi Densetsu Series, and "Juvenile Pornography: the Animation" then as long as the platform ensures the best to its abilities that nothing involving real minors in any way gets shared on ATF and they remove and report content that does, then they're golden.

>admins of SC being anti-loli

I know they also operate as a general news outlet in addition to operating a booru site. I mean everyone has their preferences and weeb "journalists" aren't any different, I suppose.. but I've never read them to be anti-loli. I didn't read their "A Key To Home" coverage so who knows.

It's worth noting that they have more loli in their one tag than the entirety of Lolibooru.


8ee708  No.92541

>>92529

>You can even find news articles where the comments advocate relationships with real children

Pro-contact =/= pro-loli


918b77  No.92547

is personal data compromised?


fe0c23  No.92549

>>92541

Is there even a single pro-contacter who isn't also pro-loli? I mentioned that because it shows that the userbase of SC sometimes goes even further than that. Or at least it used to back then, I don't want to slander anyone.

>>92547

No, the site is down and that's it.


09fe6a  No.92550

>>92519

That logo is gonna trigger pizzagatefags


405562  No.92557

>>92478

not sure why you want to chat on discord. discord is totally honeypot, unless you have someone spam shitty furry porn, you should really be careful.


fe0c23  No.92559

>>92557

Oh, believe me, we are. Any media is banned there. Completely.

So is discussing controversial topics. We're keeping really, really low until the site opens up again.


405562  No.92562

File: 3d997eaeaf8f07b⋯.jpg (240.33 KB, 1600x1151, 1600:1151, 17_005_02b.jpg)

>>92537

one problem with sancom is that they have blocked_artist tag, thankfully if you change the chan into beta and you will be able to see them.

>>92517

They used to publish lolicon articles pre 2015 and then stopped. They're not really anti-loli, just search loli tag.

>>92559

I see, well as long as you don't post loli there, you should be fine. I love your translations on panda.


eaac1e  No.92589

File: 2f95d8dadc3eb24⋯.jpg (94.53 KB, 635x900, 127:180, 1562289726005.jpg)

>>92562

They still do sometimes. I saw they reported on the UN anti-loli debacle where the US, Japan, and Austria wrote opposition to it.

OneAngryGamer usually reports on loli issues first. They're usually the first to call out Steam when they reject a hentai title because lolis yet they allow Nekopara, Monobeno, and a bunch of other weeb shit.


a997e0  No.92600

I live in the Netherlands, should I start using VPN in the future when visiting or even doing anything loli related for a while or do you guys think they only showed activity because of the reports?


b13d37  No.92601

>>92533

loli IS pedoshit. You are just trying to pretend you arent a pedo when you clearly are


2b2696  No.92604

File: 04ac3b1c99474ae⋯.jpg (93.7 KB, 492x700, 123:175, 55cc523109b300fc8751c3ba57….jpg)

>>92600

try to immigrate to Denmark if you can. I had to move from Iowa to Oregon because I didn't wanna risk getting v& over some outdated obscenity law.


000000  No.92605

>>92471

plz post official facts with source about this recent law change.


4cb014  No.92606

>>92471

>However no data was lost and the Admins are hard at work to restore everything as quickly as possible.

I will suck you dick for a loli.


effc6d  No.92607

>>92482

LAH is still there I think.


fe0c23  No.92610

>>92605

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/kinderporno/kinderporno-is-strafbaar

>>92606

I don't really know how to respond to this.

>>92601

This is very true. Way more Lolicons are pedos than like to admit. And even if it's not all of them, they should still recognise that the two groups have to stay together and support each other.


4a5d1c  No.92614

Not from the netherlands, so I don't know about possible previous court cases and such, but I do speak the language.

Having looked though the actual online version of the lawbook it seems to me that 2D anime style loli is still fine in the Netherlands, but realistic 3D cg isn't.

Article 240b is the one about illegality of depictions featuring minors:

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001854/2019-04-01#BoekTweede_TiteldeelXIV_Artikel240b

Basically, depictions of minors that are sexual is illegal, nothing unusual there.

The relevant parts are here where they clarify definitions and guidelines what constitutes as CP, with the most recent changes from 2016:

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0038528/2016-10-01

Quote:

"Voorts is sprake van vervaardigen van kinderporno als een verdachte foto’s van kinderhoofdjes op pornografische foto’s van volwassenen plakt, realistische tekeningen of computeranimaties maakt, maar ook als (heimelijk) beeldmateriaal gemaakt wordt van (naakt) spelende kinderen, met een kenbaar seksuele strekking."

Translation:

Also constitutes as CP if a suspect makes pictures using children's heads and pastes them on pornographic depictions of adults, realistic drawings or computeranimations, or making (secretive) material from (naked) playing children with a clear sexual purpose.

So, realistic drawings and CG are illegal. Those who stick to anime style stuff should be fine.


13261f  No.92615

File: f4f36af63ccf0de⋯.png (1.43 MB, 1032x1457, 1032:1457, dfabc5bd7c514a9c5a4113e6d1….png)

>>92610

I liked loli for 10 years or so before I ever took interest in real "loli" girls (super rare).

And how few real lolis exist… I think I've only ever met one.

Coming from a 25yo

>>92614

Well, in the EU I know that no court will prosecute (nor police actively investigate) someone linked to d/l of anime loli unless it is attached to a more-serious crime. (e.g. They have a warrant for something else … but stumble across your 3D loli folders).


532082  No.92617

>>92614

There is a lot of conflicting information surrounding these laws even on official sources. Like you stated, realistic CG and stuff like Deepfakes are always considered CP but on some official sites (like that one >>92610 or this one politie.nl/themas/kinderporno.html#alinea-title-wat-is-kinderporno) the definition is even more blurred. That last one explicitly states in the second to last sentence: "Denk dan aan bijvoorbeeld tekeningen of samengevoegde foto’s." or "Think of drawings or composited pictures as an example."

This is just the watered down description of a law that some police intern put up so the "drawing" part is, at best, an error or , at worst, an example of how its vague description can be exploited and enforced.

It should also be noted that due to the wording in artikel 240b ("kennelijk de leeftijd van achttien jaar nog niet heeft bereikt"/"knowingly has not reached the age of 18 years old"), the disclaimer "All characters are 18 years old" is a valid defense.

Personally, I think that ATF being dropped was just their host getting spooked by false reports and it didn't have much to do with specific new Dutch rulings or laws.

>>92615

>in the EU I know that no court will prosecute (nor police actively investigate) someone linked to d/l of anime loli

This is also important. I've looked up as much as I could about relevant court cases in the Netherlands and there's basically nothing. Even more Draconian countries like Sweden where drawings are considered CP, a defendant managed to appeal his sentence all the way to the supreme court where he was found not guilty because the incriminating images could not be mistaken for real children.


4cb014  No.92619

>>92610

>Way more Lolicons are pedos than like to admit.

There's no fucking statistics to prove this, and what few numbers there are out there speak to a lack of any correlation between the two. Of those who are convicted of CP or kiddie fiddling, and thus confirmed pedos, only an extreme minority ever have lolicon in addition to 3DPD and usually very little of it. Thus pedos are highly unlikely to be into lolicons and vice versa for lolicons being interested in 3DPD. Now one could make the argument that lolicon serves as an outlet for pedophilic urges and thus lolicons are just pedos who are less likely to make the effort to find real CP or molest a child so as to explain that lack of correlation between to the two while still calling them all equally pedophiles. But that's also merely conjecture and so is a weaker argument than the actual fact that pedos are almost never interested in lolicon.

>they should still recognise that the two groups have to stay together and support each other.

FUCK no. Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers. If you're actually from ATF, I am dearly worried about the state of the site's administration and whether this will lead to it being permanently shut down in the future because of actual CP being shared amongst it's operators.

>I don't really know how to respond to this.

It's a joke, you faggot.


4cb014  No.92620

File: 0e88946e627c85d⋯.jpg (286.79 KB, 760x901, 760:901, 8e9828b2a180e0c78b6ee500a4….jpg)

>>92619

>Thus pedos are highly unlikely to be into lolicons

lolicons*


ef068b  No.92621

>>92619

You seem to be assuming that "supporting pedophiles" implies supporting child abuse.

I'd consider myself a pedo even though I only ever look at 2D lolicon art and certainly would never dream of hurting real children.

If you want to prevent child abuse, the best approach is to convince pedos to stick to 2D. You won't do that if every 2D community is openly hostile to mere wrongthink.

You should of course take a very hard stance against any kind of real 3DPD porn, but that is a separate issue.

There are probably a lot of lolicons who aren't pedos because lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features.

Anyone who's into very young-looking lolis is probably a pedo though.


fe0c23  No.92623

>>92619

>Of those who are convicted of CP or kiddie fiddling, and thus confirmed pedos

I wouldn't have expected this old lie to also crop up in a forum dedicated to Lolicon of all places. It has been proven that the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.

>pedos are highly unlikely to be into lolicons

Funny you say that. I distinctly remember a poll on ATF that a lot of people contributed to asking how many of the members were also pedophiles, with results stating that almost exactly half of the people who took it where pedophiles.

>Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers.

Are you actually this slow? I never remotely said that. You can support pedophiles without supporting child molestation and that's what ATF did. Nobody there supported CP either.

>If you're actually from ATF, I am dearly worried about the state of the site's administration

I am not an admin or moderator if that's what you think. Just a regular user. I doubt the Administration's opinion is that much different though.

>It's a joke, you faggot.

Wow, really?! Never would have guessed that.

I should mention, I find it pretty funny that you as a member of a surpressed group like Lolicons have no problem shitting on an even more supressed group.

You may be thinking that appealing to society by cutting out the evil pedophiles will help you, but trust me it won't and you'll just weaken all of us as a result.


d41683  No.92625

>>92601

I find most 3D children to be ugly actually


88bbd9  No.92626

>>92625

The grapes of disappointment are always sour


a997e0  No.92628

>>92625

3D Are ugly indeed, you can't get the same purity or good looks as 2D just like with adults or teen, its just not the same and shouldn't be lumped together.


88bbd9  No.92633

File: fb1452c3c0bbaf7⋯.png (30.72 KB, 1092x386, 546:193, lolicon = pedophile.png)


4cb014  No.92637

>>92623

>It has been proven that the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.

According to what? Some medical definition that says they have to be exclusively attracted to children to qualify as a pedophile? Despite that fact that sexual attraction to prebuscents at all is still far outside the norm? It's known that kiddie fiddlers and sexual assault criminals in general tend to get off more on the control they're exerting over another living person than the sexual contact with their preferred person itself. But that doesn't remove preference from the equation and preferring children is still pedophilia in the general use of the term.

>I distinctly remember a poll on ATF that a lot of people contributed to asking how many of the members were also pedophiles, with results stating that almost exactly half of the people who took it where pedophiles.

Firstly, that's only half of the people that responded. Of course if you make a poll about pedophilia it's going to catch the actual pedo's attention more. I've also personally noticed that any sort of account based site that is about loli or social media group about loli tends to have a lot more outspoken actual pedophiles. Pedos congregate wherever there's push for loli in order to conflate and push it together with actual attraction to children since they know people are more accepting of loli.

>>Lolicons should absolutely not support kiddie fiddlers.

>Are you actually this slow? I never remotely said that.

<the two groups (lolicons and pedophiles) have to stay together and support each other.

That statement has a very strong implication. It may not be actual kiddie fiddlers, but the NOMAPs, that you meant to refer to, but you did not specify NOMAPs and the statement was pedophiles in general. Even if it's just NOMAPs you were referring to, the idea that these groups mutually need eachother's support is outright bullshit. As I said above, people in general are more accepting of lolicon and pedos use that as a passageway through which to push for pedophilia acceptance, be it in the form of only for NOMAPs or for actual kiddie diddling. Pedos take advantage of lolicon communities to push for their own acceptance, sometimes to point of taking over the smaller ones on social media since most lolicons aren't retarded enough to be part of lolicon social media groups. But they're still in the minority overall. It is not an equal give and take relationship. A minority of pedos are gaining the massive support of lolicons in these scenarios, not both groups of equal standing mutually needing support and getting it from eachother. Lolicons do not need the support of pedophiles as a group and what support they do get is a drop in the ocean.

>but trust me it won't and you'll just weaken all of us as a result.

Lolicons have everything to gain from dissociating themselves from actual pedophilia and have been doing so for a long time. That's the only reason people even think of the term "lolicon" in the west as only referring to fiction. Lolicon is continually making progress as an acceptable and harmless thing through the proliferation of anime. I think this "us" is you projecting.

>The body was too long


4cb014  No.92638

>>92621

>You seem to be assuming that "supporting pedophiles" implies supporting child abuse.

If in general rather than NOMAPs specifically then yes. And even then, there are plenty of NOMAPs that have expressed they only don't molest children because it's illegal and push for it's legalization.

>I'd consider myself a pedo even though I only ever look at 2D lolicon art

That's only what you look at, but is it only what you are attracted to? It's completely possible to like one and not the other, especially if you prefer less realistic drawings. Jacking off to on-model Lisa Simpson porn does not a pedo make. I am not attracted to real children in the slightest and it is even a turnoff. When I have sexual dreams

involving girls of a certain stature, it is literally in an anime aesthetic. That is, even when my inhibitions are completely release in the realm of dream, I still have no attraction to real children. I believe the same is certainly possible for others.

>If you want to prevent child abuse, the best approach is to convince pedos to stick to 2D

While I believe in the possiblity that lolicon can be used as an outlet for such urges it is my experience that actual pedos aren't much interested in cartoons, but real children. This is likely because, as mentioned in my reply to the ATF anon, they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

>There are probably a lot of lolicons who aren't pedos because lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features.

Even when they aren't drawn with too many post-pubescent features, I'd argue the attraction isn't exactly the same as pedophilia as I said above. I tend to prefer my lolis as small as possible without getting into toddlercon territory.

>>92633

The western use of the term has taken on its own meaning.


ef068b  No.92643

>>92638

>but is it only what you are attracted to?

I'm definitely attracted to real kids.

>it is my experience that actual pedos aren't much interested in cartoons, but real children

How many "actual pedos" have you got to know? Have they even tried fapping to anime girls?

>This is likely because they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

I'm really into BDSM play myself. There's nothing better than a cute helpless loli being restrained, punished, and humiliated. That's actually part of the reason I'm so strongly anti-contact. Only an adult mind could enjoy that kind of play.


fe0c23  No.92644

>>92637

>>92638

Holy shit, you really hit all the generic anti‐pedo talking points. Like a caricature.

>According to what?

Several studies and analysies that have been conducted on this topic.

>Pedos congregate wherever there's push for loli in order to conflate and push it together with actual attraction to children since they know people are more accepting of loli.

Or maybe they just like Lolicon. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy to you?

>It may not be actual kiddie fiddlers, but the NOMAPs, that you meant to refer to, but you did not specify NOMAPs and the statement was pedophiles in general.

Using the term NOMAP in this context is unecessary. It can help bring this topic to other people's attention, but it is almost harmful sometimes, because it implies that this isn't the default for pedophiles, which it definitely is.

Most pedohiles are NOMAPs, even if they may not use the term.

>As I said above, people in general are more accepting of lolicon and pedos use that as a passageway through which to push for pedophilia acceptance

That is not necessarily a bad thing. You can't blame people for finding venues to express themselves and a community that is also oppressed like Lolicons will naturally be more willing to help.

>Lolicons have everything to gain from dissociating themselves from actual pedophilia and have been doing so for a long time.

All they have to gain is losing members of the community for arbitrary reasons and falling into the same pitfalls that society at large does while claiming to be on a higher level.

>Lolicon is continually making progress as an acceptable and harmless thing through the proliferation of anime.

Yeah, because being pushed into tinier and tinier corners of the Internet as more and more countries outlaw it and more and more websites ban it "totally" constitutes progress.

>And even then, there are plenty of NOMAPs that have expressed they only don't molest children because it's illegal and push for it's legalization.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The only group pushing for the legalisation of molesting children are pro‐contacters and nobody like those.

>This is likely because, as mentioned in my reply to the ATF anon, they tend to get off on the control they exert over the child or the abuse of an actual innocent child itself.

All of this is just false. Pedophiles' attraction to children is no different than normal people's attraction to adults. You're experience is wrong.


a997e0  No.92649

>>92643

I was enjoying the other anon roasting you and now I believe you just committed seppuku.

To each their own I guess I just ask you to not put a large part of the community in the same pot as you, not saying it bad but rather I wouldn't like this to be a representation of what the rest of us think.


000000  No.92653

>>92471

there is plenty of prior 3d loli art, and banning it isn't going to make it go away, which means this law was changed to punish their citizens, not to stop it. And when you go out of your way to punish people, you are trying to censor their freedom of expression. So congrats Dutch people, you have been officially screwed over.


000000  No.92654

Places like ATF have existed peacefully for years without interference, so I see this nothing more than a Dutch power trip that adds nothing to the table except to take it away.


88bbd9  No.92657

>>92649

I'd say that 100% of lolicons are pedos and those who claim they aren't are just in denial. The only argument I've heard that makes any sense is that 2d lolis don't look like real kids, but consider how they are drawn: flat chests, hairless pussies, small stature, childish personalities. They are clearly intended to depict children, so even if we say they don't subjectively look quite like a kid, they certainly check enough boxes for your brain to think it's looking at kids. This is compounded by how loli doujins are written to mirror rl adult-child sexual relationships; secrecy, for example, is a major element of the plot in most loli doujins.


d41683  No.92658

>>92657

So what does it mean if I don't like the majority of loli content, don't like most heavily NSFW content, and only really like very specific characters?


ef068b  No.92659

>>92657

I agree. There's a reason that every good art tutorial tells you to learn to imitate real human anatomy.

The main difference is usually that the faces of lolis are more neotenic than those of real kids of the same age.


4cb014  No.92666

>>92658

>don't like most heavily NSFW content

They you're not a lolicon (lolita complex) as you don't have the sexual complex about lolitas.

>>92657

Realism is fairly uncommon. More often than not the story takes a very comedic tone and/or has a very intelligent loli and/or the loli has unrealistic bodily proportions for a person of their stature.

>>92659

>There's a reason that every good art tutorial tells you to learn to imitate real human anatomy.

Because it give you a sense of proportion and weight? Even drawing completely inhuman animated cartoons benefits greatly from starting out with life drawing.


ef068b  No.92674

>>92666

>Because it give you a sense of proportion and weight?

No. There's a reason loli artists study human anatomy rather than any other species.

The claim that lolis aren't meant to look human is utterly ridiculous. In fact, I saw this very board criticizing western art for looking too unrealistic and non-human.

If you want a better argument, you should focus on their minds. Most lolis are portrayed as much more emotionally intelligent and capable of consent than real kids. Just say you aren't attracted to real kids because of their awful personalities or something. It's probably even true in a lot of cases.


d41683  No.92676

>>92674

This should logically infer that drawn adults are comparable to real adults yet there are people who clearly prefer 2D in that department. I think you're reaching.


ef068b  No.92677

>>92676

Of course, but only because of personality.

Do you honestly think the disdain for 3DPD is to do with appearance?


d41683  No.92679

>>92677

In my case it is but I can only speak for myself. 2D personalities usually really are 2D and I could give a shit about 3D personality.


4cb014  No.92681

>>92677

To a strong degree it is for some. Else I wouldn't have abondoned 3D porn entirely in my teens and still enjoy lesbians and solo female masturbation videos. Honestly, I think humans in general tend to disgust me. I dislike pores and body hair. Final Fantasy VII Remake is going in the direction of realism and you can see the pores on the character's faces. Cloud looks sickly. Don't like it at all.


3e116d  No.92694

>>92505

a removed DNS entry is a step backward, not a step forward


229103  No.92695

>>92657

I'll throw my hat in the ring. If you lurk places like this and ATF regularly and you fap damn near exclusively or primarily to loli, you're probably a pedo. I think its more debatable if you fap to a lot of different hentai or loli is more of an occasional thing, but I consider myself "secondary" and I'm not delusional enough to not see it for what it is. Even trapfags don't make as many mental gymnastics.


366ded  No.92698

You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan) attacking straw men and accusing lolicons of mental gymnastics. You do realize that all of society is based upon mental gymnastics and all of society is hypocritical, right? This isn't some unique thing to pedosexuals (who have ever justification for trying to conceal and hide and deceive).

As for me, I have never lied about being a pedosexual. I have said I'm a pedosexual and lolicon, as if they are two distinct things. If you consider them to be exactly the same thing, that's okay with me.

If all you want to do is judge and stand "holier than thou", try and realize how cringey that is.


a6e0f5  No.92711

>>92698

>You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan)

Neither my time nor my life is valuable

>who have ever justification for trying to conceal and hide and deceive

I agree, and while they don't have a justification for trying to hide it from themselves it's understandable, but none of that changes the fact that denialfags are annoying insecure dipshits that get their knickers in a twist anytime someone reminds them of the inconvenient truth that lolicon is pedophilia.

>try and realize how cringey that is

at least it isn't as cringy as unironically calling yourself a "pedosexual"


366ded  No.92722

>>92711

Mind numbingly stupid post. Not even with the merit of being unintentionally funny. You have problems with nomenclature. Wow!

Pedophilia - Greek word which means "the love of children"

Pedosexual - A modern conventional term used by the American Psychological Association to refer to a pedophilic orientation. It means "one who loves children".

You're the type to complain about the use of UAP (Unidentied Aerial Phenomenon) vs. UFO (Unidentified Flying Object).

Pedosexual is more accurate and UAP is more accurate. Yet either is acceptable nomenclature.


c1cb7c  No.92731

File: 2196271bec24304⋯.jpg (104.79 KB, 1200x1080, 10:9, reference dolls.jpg)

Any news on the site itself? They've put up a temp page but I'm still worried. I think prq can set them up since they're hardline free speech that will host even NAMBLA.


bfac00  No.92734

File: 3797ce5ad41e400⋯.jpg (524.27 KB, 1200x1600, 3:4, tubeloli-1.jpg)

Lolicon satisfies idealized fantasy pedophilia.

If you fap exclusively to 2d anime lolis and feel nothing for 3d girls, it's still pedophilic at base, but simply labeling you as pedophile in the traditional sense isn't entirely accurate. I think claiming that everyone who prefers 2d is in denial is too generalized and a lot of that is probably projection. Even professional psychologists are interested in studying this

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2015.00344/full

>It is of great importance for clinical diagnosis whether or not an erotic preference for the body scheme of children on the fantasy-level exists. There is a high chance that this information would be given voluntarily by self-referred, self-motivated pedophilic men, but less likely by those who are already involved with the legal system (probation etc.). It is therefore essential for the assessment and a reliable diagnosis to obtain a cooperation/compliance level. In self-motivated pedophiles, this collaboration is highest and makes them a highly interesting target group for research (see Section “Methods for Diagnosing Pedophilia”).

Don't rule out the existence of "2d-onlies". Sexuality is a weird thing.


42026a  No.92737

File: 129237f0a7a79e4⋯.jpg (15.79 KB, 512x288, 16:9, 30714585_2516416811916831_….jpg)

Let's say loli is legal in your country.

Then, you uploaded loli images to ATF after the Dutch anti-loli law was passed.

Did you commit a crime?

How fucked are you?


fe0c23  No.92739

>>92731

It's still in the works. There is currently a prospective host, but they still need to set up servers. May still take a few days.

>>92737

You didn't commit a crime. Dutch laws aren't applicable in other countries.


65284e  No.92742

File: 3a97a9c8cde3ef3⋯.jpg (54.25 KB, 331x402, 331:402, lol butthurt.jpg)

>>92722

Is this a pasta? Is this unironic?


d41683  No.92755

>>92695

I only hang around because I like very specific characters. Nowhere near exclusive and most content does nothing for me.


0b5bb7  No.92758

So the temp site has gone back down and it looks like pomf.tv is also out of commission. Does anyone know if ATF is just currently restoring functionality or if they've hit another setback?


fe0c23  No.92761

>>92758

The new host for Pomf and the temporary site has also taken it down. Just a minor setback though.


56d048  No.92770

Gelbooru is getting fucky too, now you have to enable loli tag in options

I'm really upset


000000  No.92772

The pisscord was such a shitshow I had to leave. The atf rocketchat server was great, but for some reason the users that went to discord were beyond redemption of retardation. Once they get back up maybe they should consider switching to a even more obscure chat platform to avoid those type of "people".


a3b40a  No.92775

File: 9a9edc16ca0118d⋯.jpg (44.2 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, shima aaaaaa.jpg)

>>92488

>>92506

>>92504

>>92496

/b/ruh from 4chan

its bad we cant post loli without getting trolled or reported we barely hang on /b/ and /h/ doesn't condone it neither does /d/ 8chan is far better with loli content at this point especially with atf down tldr moral fags moral fags everywhere


6ce553  No.92782

File: 0264796d030fe41⋯.jpg (264.71 KB, 1165x2005, 233:401, a2d4c6ed122cfaed1c226529c1….jpg)

>>92775

what do you mean reported? Jannies don't usually delete shit that's not against the rules unless they're butthurt or something. The only thing people get reported for is spamming discord links, or just spam overall. And bombing threads on /b/ with off-topic bullshit like spiderman isn't against the rules on /b/, which is sort of why loli is allowed there.

Yeah, trolls and spammers are a thing but so far even YLYL and cock rate threads are getting attacked by faggots.

I mentioned 4chan as an example of sites based in the US that allow loli/shota to prove it isn't illegal and generally safe here. Honestly, the only reason why I think ATF would be in any real danger is copyright. US actually enforces copyright law and DMCA needs to be adhered to by platforms. And with the way Japan is going after people overseas, and new revelations regarding HentaiHaven and why so much content from there is drying up, you'll know why.

Game and VN mods such as community-maintained translation and uncensor patches should be okay if they're fair use and nothing copyrighted is being distributed, although that is a bit of a grey area.


a3b40a  No.92787

>>92782

sorry meant on any other board other than /b/


000000  No.92789

>>92638

Many actual pedos have probably never even heard of lolicon, barely anyone watches anime in the West and those who do tend to be younger.

>I tend to prefer my lolis as small as possible without getting into toddlercon territory.

Every pedo has their own age range. It doesn't mean they're attracted to anything under 13.

This doesn't mean I think every lolicon is a pedophile.

> I believe the same is certainly possible for others.

A couple of pedos report being less attracted to the real thing and more to lolis after spending many, many, many years looking at them.

This is a very weird one and there's not much data on it.


577767  No.92798

A reminder that the majority of figureheads who spoke out against lolicon were convicted of possession child porn, including UN officials.

Those who lump loli and CP together are most likely hardcore pedos themselves.


56d048  No.92803

Is temporary site kill? Won't load for me


000000  No.92804

>>92798

Virtue signaling libtards, what else is new? Lets save the lolicon/pedo debate for other threads, and keep this thread clean for pressing F for all the fallen, and talking about retard laws preventing us from enjoying stuff.


4cb014  No.92822

>>92695

>I think its more debatable if you fap to a lot of different hentai or loli is more of an occasional thing

Would you apply the same logic to 3DPD?

>>92698

>As for me, I have never lied about being a pedosexual. I have said I'm a pedosexual

You're attracted to pedophiles?

>You guys can keeping wasting valuable time (you do realize you're mortal, right? Like you have a very finite lifespan)

If I valued my time, I wouldn't spend it here.

>>92722

Wew laddy.

>>92734

>If you fap exclusively to 2d anime lolis and feel nothing for 3d girls, it's still pedophilic at base

What if it's simply an obssession with smaller and smaller things taking big dick to the point of stomach distension? Like taking the "hotdog in a hallway" logic of disliking small dicked /ss/ scenarios to it's extreme. I like to see that dick bulge in the stomach of the girl. It's not very common for adult hentai women, but it's fairly common among lolicon. It is of course most common among minigirls, which I love very much, but minigirls are rare, not often done well, and the stomach distension usually easily reaches levels of complete comedy which I am rarely in the mood to be aroused by. Lolicon is very common though and so, to satisfy that urge of the girl being "filled" to capacity, lolicon makes up about 44% of the stuff I read. This simple number of course does not account for the times when I'm simply looking for X and the work I happen to choose is lolicon that contains X as well. While on the subject, here is a very good Suika doujin that does a very rare fetish very well that fufills that urge for completely filling very much.

https://exhentai.org/g/993453/99852aad9e/

>>92804

It's still to early to press

F


013f82  No.92829

>>92492

Despite that /jp/ remains a lolicon community.


2b57e4  No.92839

>>92492

>4chan doesn't allow loli

Except on /b/.

>permaban

No it doesn't, you get 3 days. Loli and CP are separate rules on 4chan.


426118  No.92840

>>92798

Loli isn't CP by any stretch, but if you like loli you're either a pedo or poorly coping with the fact you're a pedo. Whatever you have to tell yourself though, you know how to lie to yourself better than I do and obviously have it under control.


ec19d0  No.92842

>>92840

And the reason you're here is because, since you're so adamant on conflating Loli with CP, you're looking for actual CP.


426118  No.92845

>>92842

>so adamant on conflating loli with CP

>explicitly state loli isn't CP

The reason you're here is to make me look better by comparison.


a997e0  No.92847

File: b3d36ecb725d79c⋯.jpg (96.2 KB, 721x999, 721:999, Kafuu Chino.jpg)

Why don't we start making a new tag for those that are both pedos and lolicon and those who are only lolicons?

This tag obviously will need to be used from now on for this people just to make the line clear.

Normal lolicons who are only into 2d or some like myself that are disgusted by 3d women in general loli or not, can just stay the same and enjoy drawings and fictional stuff.

Those that really want to generalize themselves as both can proudly say they're into both instead of trying to take normal lolicons down with them because they need more general approval.

Im not asking them either since they can always reply and say its stupid, we can just start generalizing them as not part of us or give them their own name from now on instead of trying to call themselves lolicons to drag us down and make them look better, that being said what could be a nice short tag that is for somebody that likes both loli and pedo?


ff9e05  No.92852

>>92466

Hold the fuck up, Mako Park has an english TL?


4cb014  No.92857

>>92852

Yeah, but it looks like half assed machine translation for the most part. Lots of stuff you can't even begin to guess what they're actually saying.

>>92840

>Loli isn't CP

>But liking loli is liking CP


366ded  No.92860

The last couple days, ATF has given me a "This site can't be reached" error. Are there any updates as to if it will make a comeback? Or is ATF really gone?

I'm also concerned for this /loli/. The whole first page is discussions about the distinction between lolicon and pedophile/pedosexual (whether that distinction can and should be made), the legality of lolicon and whether free speech is honored in which countries (of which there are several threads), arguments about evolutionary theory (from people pretending to be smart and pretending to know what they are talking about) and how it can be used to justify the marginalization or extinction of lolicon and the persecution thereof, arguments about morality and whether morality is objective and real (it isn't), and so on. There are multiple threads dedicated to the same topic (the legality of lolicon, the morality of lolicon, etc.) that only need one thread. Essentially /loli/ is becoming nothing but shitposting instead of a content sharing hub based upon a shared love (loli).


000000  No.92863

>>92860

i vote to host Allthefallen on the dark side of the moon and it will stay up forever. so somebody put a server up there fast before the chinese do it.


88bbd9  No.92864

>>92840

>you know how to lie to yourself better than I do

There was an old man on 4/b/ recently with realistic child sex dolls and yet despite the combination of that and old age he still manages to be in denial. So adamant was he that he is not a pedophile he got offended when you told him he is

>>92857

Personally I would say that not only does liking loli make you a pedo, but lolicon is cp. I know that statement will make some of you emotional, but try to remember what cp stands for: child pornography, and loli is definitely a pornographic depiction of children. I've noticed some experts using the term "child sexual abuse material" to describe what we traditionally think of as cp, and I think it injects greater definition and therefore greater clarity into the discussion, so loli is cp, but loli is not csam.


a3b40a  No.92869

File: bf2a6709ec19cbd⋯.png (498.16 KB, 1000x1274, 500:637, 1561752444763.png)

>>92864

loli is not cp it doesn't involve a real child and its illegal because to produce cp they have to be harming a child to do it or exploiting I don't get how hard it is to understand this


fe0c23  No.92871

>>92860

Admins are hard at work. Just be patient.

>>92869

How did you so utterly ignore the post you're responding to? Child pornography is pornography depicting children. Lolicon is unquestionably pornography and it unquestionably depicts children.

It's CP, it's just not *harmful* CP.


887aa7  No.92875

>>92871

No, loli isn't CP. CP by definition involves actual children, whereas loli/shota does not. You can argue that it's "virtual" CP but that still doesn't have any actual meaning.


887aa7  No.92876

File: 98e535144b9c30a⋯.jpg (501.17 KB, 836x1200, 209:300, 3eed8604a9639d559f445392e4….jpg)

>>92871

>depicting children

how do you go about proving that the rights of these characters are children, both as a matter intrinsic to their rights and in the literal sense if their very existence in that regard bears no legal tangibility in the first place? It's like if Jonah Hill - the actor from 21 Jump Street, were to play a role in a movie in which he's 16 and gets his dick sucked, and someone saw that and believed that he was actually a 16 year old performing sexually explicit acts on camera. They'd have no case because products of imagination aren't real and aren't entitled any rights. The same logic applies to fictional or cartoon "children".


887aa7  No.92877

File: 14c1519d4db8d0c⋯.jpg (254.34 KB, 1200x1600, 3:4, ad77bf8aa1b321de454221e54f….jpg)


fdf40b  No.92878

I hope the new host isn't going to be trash in general, both in terms of not bending over so easily to antis pressure and in terms of speed and reliability.

I also hope the forum threads, layouts and posts won't be broken and scattered all over the place like the migration did back then breaking many attachments.

Though it's actually been good to have this break from ATF, managed to actually do some house work lately which is super rare for a lazy NEET lolicon such as myself.


426118  No.92880

>>92864

Well if he wasn't a master of denial he wouldn't still be using fucking halfchan in 2019. I'm almost a master of denial for using fullchan in 2019, because it's hardly even better at this point.

>>92876

They are blatantly depictions of children, which is not to say they have rights or actually exist or should be legally protected no matter the acts taking place within these fictional sexualized depictions. You're conflating the typical legal treatment of CP that is sexually depicting real children with the nature of CP itself, which makes no demand to be treated as such to be considered what it is. Pornography of children real or fictional is pornography of children, but fictional pornography of children is not illegal unless you live in a shithole. As an aside, we all sort of live in a shithole because real CP should be legal too barring rape which is its own class of problem that is similarly conflated with the mere act of sex by other woefully retarded niggers.


2b57e4  No.92881

You have to wonder why anti-loli moralfags even post here.


3ba15e  No.92883


42b8d5  No.92885

are the modders that make loli mods for sims 4 on other sites until ATF is back?


000000  No.92888

>>92882

glowtard


cb4cd8  No.92890

File: f1856dd18aab61c⋯.webm (2.79 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 1542718152429.webm)

Pedo =/= Loli for one reason, Loli extends outside the pedo age and body range. Take the fact that Lolicon was based on the book Lolita, in which the girl in question is a young teen.

So you can be a lolicon and not be a pedo because you like the not pre-pubescet lolis, and it's also possible to be a pedo lolicon because you do like the pre-pubscent lolis.

So while you'd like for it so be a simple as "all lolicons are pedos" it actually can't be true.


4b06f3  No.92891

>>92890

>the book Lolita, in which the girl in question is a young teen.

She's 12


426118  No.92893

>>92881

Where are these 'anti-loli' types exactly? Full retard.

>>92890

>loli extends outside the pedo age and body range

No. Full stop, no. Teens aren't lolis, they're steaming turds on the sidewalk you should be forcefed until you choke to death for even daring to claim they're lolis.


88bbd9  No.92894

>>92893

>Teens aren't lolis, they're steaming turds on the sidewalk

based


14e73d  No.92895

File: 2a8bc010a5da8d1⋯.png (55.8 KB, 429x500, 429:500, 3DPIG_GTFO.png)

>>92880

>>92893

>because real CP should be legal

>Teens aren't lolis

I bet 10 bux you and the other retards projecting loli=pedo mantra are twatter blue checkmarks or pedoera goons or both, your the reason anime and hentai in general not only loli, is under attack.


426118  No.92896

>>92895

I don't need your money, anon.


14e73d  No.92897

>>92896

Ah yes the typical ResetEra snarky attitude.


d41683  No.92899

>>92871

Not all loli content is pornography.


000000  No.92900

>>92459

Newfag here

What si ATF


14e73d  No.92902

>>92900

All The Fallen is or was a site/community centered on loli content including mods for games like skyrim and sims, plus some vn translation projects if I not mistaken. Then it got infested by the pro CP crowd to the point it got out of hand, ergo why the mass reports.


8ba742  No.92904

>>92459

>>92471

Thought they got ddosed by hackers from the dark web since their link is on Topic links 2.0 afterall. Guess that wasn't the case.

Still they need to find a good host, should also request the topic links people to remove their link from that onion site since it host links to actual cp.


8ba742  No.92905

>>92902

Which is why they got to remove their link from Topic Links should not be hosted there.

They can maybe get away with have gravure junior idols like I've seen some forums do on the clearnet but actual cp lol no.


426118  No.92910

>>92897

The typical delusion of someone that is completely divorced from reality and drunk on autism.

>>92902

>Implying

It has nothing to do with the outspoken pro CP legalization people and everything to do with Joshua Moon's gaggle of niggerfaggots over at kiwifarms having found ATF and having been thoroughly triggered like the cucks they are, causing them to be EBIN MSTR TROLS and report the site for lack of any other 1337 ideas due to their eternal newfaggotry and general purpose inadequacy, surpassed only by Null himself in being fuckups. The site'll be back before their balls drop and they'll find themselves at square one again.


14e73d  No.92911

>>92910

>The typical delusion of someone that is completely divorced from reality and drunk on autism.

True I forgot one category , Allah - goatfuckers.

Getting awfully hysterical there mister pro CP.


fe0c23  No.92912

>>92902

You clearly just want to slander the site. Most people on ATF are anti-CP.

The reports were unfounded bullshit, there was no real life CP anywhere on there.


14e73d  No.92913

>>92912

Never said it hosted actual CP, the problem are the people advocating for the muh LOLI is pedo welcome to the darkside, that made even old members of ATF cringe.


426118  No.92917

>>92911

Yeah I'm actually an Imam. I'm not really hysterical I just think the kiwis are ultra gay.

>>92912

There are plenty of pro-CP people on ATF, and there's nothing wrong with that nor is that why it's down.


44f537  No.92918

>>92917

Some of us aren't deranged enough to promote abuse. Hope you get party vand.


426118  No.92919

>>92918

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, it's not illegal to believe CP should be legal. I don't look at it because it's impractical when loli gets me off anyway and is legal, but it should definitely not be illegal to possess or distribute any configuration of pixels regardless of what they depict. Rape and abuse should be illegal, but images and etc. of those crimes should not be. In much the same way as murder is illegal but images and etc. of murder are not illegal. Furthermore, the vast majority of CP is not abusive in nature, and were all CP legal I would never go near any CP that is abusive because abuse is bad and not sexy at all to me. I hope you lurk moar and stop being so utterly bluepilled and stupid.


1480be  No.92920

y'all gay niggers are busy having ethics debates over here, and I just want to know when the site is coming back.


426118  No.92924

>>92920

When it does.


39940c  No.92925

File: 75cb7360a18b1fc⋯.jpg (263.47 KB, 1024x1365, 1024:1365, BTu1EkiCIAATJWY_jpg_large.jpg)

Nothing wrong with being pedo, but totally understandable for 2D only lolicons to want to distance themselves from that term. Fact of the matter, any loli forum (including ATF, lolicit, etc) which allows people to self-identify as pedo will have pedophiles posting in them. They're part of lolicon communities, for obvious reasons. The only question is whether they're silent or outspoken. At the end of the day, both 2D lolicons and pedos share the common interest in lolis so no need to fight about it.


2b57e4  No.92928

>>92893

You want to associate lolis with something disgusting that is and should be illegal. Of course you're anti-loli.


426118  No.92929

>>92928

There's nothing disgusting about it and it should be legal. You're pro-retardation.


4cb014  No.92930

File: d37bea6d085d8e6⋯.jpg (143.36 KB, 735x1100, 147:220, underage == lolicon.jpg)

>>92864

>I've noticed some experts using the term "child sexual abuse material" to describe what we traditionally think of as cp, and I think it injects greater definition and therefore greater clarity into the discussion, so loli is cp, but loli is not csam.

That adds zero real distinction between lolicon and CP that the terms themselves don't already have. By your logic, lolicon is just fictional child pornography which is still child pornography because it depicts child porn. Then by the same logic, lolicon is just fictional child sexual abuse material which is still child sexual abuse material because it depict child sexual abuse.

Trying to create new words isn't going to help because "Child Pornography" is the term that's in the legal books of most countries, and for the purpose of helping real victims, is in various places defined as specifically referring to materials made from actual minors and thus not lolicon.

>>92880

>You're conflating the typical legal treatment of CP that is sexually depicting real children with the nature of CP itself, which makes no demand to be treated as such to be considered what it is.

When people say CP, they mean shit that is illegal. Only normalfags who don't know any better and think it's illegal and actual pedos trying to conflate CP and loli in order to push for CP acceptance make no distinction between the two.

>real CP should be legal too barring rape

Oh look.

>>92876

I think you're onto something, so let me reword part of this. Assume lolicon, fictional depiction of CP, is CP. Not in the legal sense, but at least in a general sense. Then if an 18+ year old actor stars in a pornographic video of any kind where the plot is that they are any age under 18, would that not count as CP under that logic? You can't argue that they "wouldn't look underage" as there are real porn stars who's gimmick is looking underage.

>>92899

He said lolicon as in lolita complex, not just loli. Try and keep up buddy. You know no one is talking about wholesome non-sexually explicit drawings of lolis.

>>92890

>Webm

>Anime girl considers attraction to a 17 year old an illness and pedophilia

Wew laddy.

>"That's because you envy the young"

WEW FUCKING LAD

What is this from and why doesn't it have audio?

>>92891

I've heard conflicting reports of her age. From what I've gathered secondhand, the MC first meets her at a young age, but sexual attraction doesn't occur until she's 14 and well into puberty. Could be entirely wrong though and I'm too lazy to read Lolita.

>>92893

>No. Full stop, no. Teens aren't lolis

Loli goes up to about 14 at the very oldest. Some Japs may use the term more loosely, and it can even just mean "petite and youthful". Pic related. Filename is a joke.

>>92919

>it should definitely not be illegal to possess or distribute any configuration of pixels regardless of what they depict.

What about government military secrets that if publicized could put lives in danger?


426118  No.92931

>>92930

This is an incredible amount of cope for someone who is completely unable to cope.


cdd0a5  No.92932

File: 0f6d7552752c0c5⋯.jpg (775.04 KB, 832x1200, 52:75, 75564083_p0.jpg)

Lolicon === pedophile.

There, I said it. Lolis are literally drawing depicting children although they may not be realistic. If you like lolis it means you like children. Simple as that. The only difference between the so-called lolicon and pedophile is that lolicons will never go for real children. Being a "lolicon" means you like children but you will never hurt real children.

I like how the moralfags be like ohhhuuu lolis are so hot but Im not a pedophile because I dont like children. Admit it, you like children, you are a pedophile, but you will not hurt them.

Are lolicon materials cp? Yes. Should they be legal? Definitely, as long as no children are hurt.

:)))))


a00bac  No.92933

>>92925

>At the end of the day, both 2D lolicons and pedos share the common interest in lolis

Sorry no, if someone tells me they only enjoy 2D CP anime on a PC screen that's fine because it's not real children, no real victims.

Someone tells me they look at real CP and gaze at little girls in public I'm going to report them, if they say they've been sexually hands-on with a real child I'm going to probably go to jail myself for murder but I will be celebrated as a hero among inmates unlike convicted sexual predators especially kiddy touchers that thankfully have a high chance of dying in jail. There's no justification for sexually abusing children.


ed35bb  No.92936

File: d703d939cd08d37⋯.jpg (1.4 MB, 1600x1200, 4:3, lolibooru 196912 ass_visib….jpg)

>all these loli moralities

what is the latest news of ATF?


000000  No.92937

>>92880

I'm okay with legalising CP, but only to get rid of the retarded cases where someone gets arrested for having a naked picture of themselves from when they were a child.

Sexting is also fine by my book. We shouldn't be putting teenagers on the sex offenders register for that.

See this for how messed up the register is:

https://thecrimereport.org/2019/02/19/miami-dade-sex-offenders-forced-to-be-homeless/

https://www.care2.com/causes/10-year-old-boy-required-to-register-as-a-sex-offender.html

If someone is coercing kids or otherwise trying to manipulate them (you know what I mean), then that is an obvious no-go. I don't really want this content being spewed out across the web either.

There is a new term for that too. CSEM. Child Sexual Exploitation Material, but I don't think it'll catch on for a long time. Child abuse imagery is another.


000000  No.92938

>>92505

abe lincoln once said, "There's nothing wrong with loli porn. As long as the misses doesn't catch you fappin' to it, then, by golly, it's all right by me."


000000  No.92939

>>92933

The ones who actually abuse them are really rare. They seem to consist of a weird mix of psychopaths (how I hate them), people with mental disorders who really need therapy more than anything and twisted people who honestly believe their actions are positive.

I believe that most of these are preventable long before they do something to someone and can be rehabilitated into normal members of society. I don't know about the psychopaths, those types creep me the hell out.

There's a term for them too. Child molesters (as opposed to pedophilia which is simply an attraction to children). Reactions to them from pedophiles seem to vary from pity to outright disgust.

As for people who look at CP, I think it is because they literally feel nothing or even disgust when looking at normal porn and it sort of messes with them if they don't do it.

I find that people freak out a lot more than they really should about it, but I don't really want people looking at it either, especially some of the really twisted shit some people get into. Thank goodness for alternatives.


000000  No.92940

>>92936

Based on what they said, it should be going back up any day now, but who knows, any number of problems could come up.


000000  No.92943

>>92459

lolis are cartoons.

lolis are not real.

lolis are legal.

anyone who doesn't understand that must either be dutch or a troll hard at work.

long live ATF!


0c81c1  No.92944

>>92943

Or canadian, or british, or australian, you feeling the need to use tor to post here doesn't really help your case either.


fe0c23  No.92945

>>92937

You realise laws can have nuance, right? We don't have to decide between legalising all CP and locking people who really did Nothing wrong up. There's a middle ground there.

Anyways, child pornography should be illegal, because consuming it creates the demand for more, which incentives the producers to Keep abusing children.


e00e88  No.92946

>>92945

If you're pirating games and movies are you creating demand for more of them?


366ded  No.92947

So you idiots create countless threads debating the definition of pedophilia, debating the legality and morality of lolicon, preaching Darwinism, shitposting incessantly. Can you folks literally do anything else? Can you post content, can you shut the fuck up? Are you capable of doing anything else at all? Do you even have actual jobs?

You've got to be a dumb fuck if you think telling me how immoral lolicon is or how it should be illegal or how pedos should be executed by the State or excommunicated from society or how Darwinism fits into proving groupthink is moral or any of this is going to change my interest in loli in the slightest. You guys preach like you're going to convert me. I find that absolutely laughable. Eat your own shit and keep it to yourself. I'm not here to read your diatribes and I'm not impressed with your grand standing.

This thread was suppose to be about the status of ATF. It's become nothing but preachy shitposting.


fe0c23  No.92948

>>92947

There is nothing to discuss. I have been supplying news everytime someone asks, but you can't really talk about anything there. And currently nothing is happening.


e00e88  No.92949

>>92947

Thats all this board is good for now, you're free to go to /delicious/ that actually has content creators and people sharing stuff because the BO there isn't a power tripping rulecuck that only allows what hes personally into unlike here where you can only post what the BO likes which is why nobody bothers to post anything at all anymore and just uses it as a platform for discussion.


000000  No.92950

>>92945

Nuance would be good, at-least in the court system.

Obviously terrible images should be purged from the face of the internet via AI or whatever measures we can come up with. Sadly, I don't think this would disincentive those twisted minds from abusing children, I really hope that the police can find them.


000000  No.92951

>>92947

Lolicon isn't a problem in the slightest. It's a drawing, and just because someone likes something in drawing doesn't mean they're going to go out and actually do it.

The state can take it's wrongthink bullshit and shove it up it's ass.


e00e88  No.92952

>>92950

>Obviously terrible images should be purged from the face of the internet via AI or whatever measures we can come up with

That sounds like an orwellian nightmare that will just as quickly be used against you as it is the people you don't like.


cb4cd8  No.92955

>>92891

>>92893

14 is loli. You can bitch until the cows come home but the Nips made the term and they count middleschoolers (aka young teens). If you can't even get the actually Japanese meaning of the term right you can't be saying what is and isn't part of it.


cb4cd8  No.92956

>>92930

>What is this from and why doesn't it have audio?

Can't recall but you can toss it in Yandex to get it.

And you're right about the book, the monologue where HH calls them "nymphets" I believe goes into it, saying it's a range around the onset and early part of puberty.


426118  No.92959

>>92955

>Nips made the term

Lmao, no.


88bbd9  No.92960

>>92919

>the vast majority of CP is not abusive in nature

All sexual contact between an adult and child is abuse, anon.


d41683  No.92961

>>92930

>He said lolicon as in lolita complex, not just loli. Try and keep up buddy. You know no one is talking about wholesome non-sexually explicit drawings of lolis.

>

People who want to cause trouble don't care about the difference. Hence boorus recently locking up all loli content no matter if it's SFW or not.


88bbd9  No.92962

>>92930

>Then by the same logic, lolicon is just fictional child sexual abuse material which is still child sexual abuse material because it depict child sexual abuse

No anon, it's called csam because it is footage or photographs of actual child sexual abuse. The material not only depicts it, but it also features it, it is evidence of a crime. When some gook chooses to draw his anime girl short, hairless and flat, no child is being sexually abused in the process. The only way it would qualify as csam is if it was traced, or if it otherwise depicts a real event with characters representing real people. I'm fairly certain both of those are illegal.

We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child sexual abuse if they were real, but since they are not real no abuse occurs and thus it is not child sexual abuse material. On the other hand it does indisputably depict albeit fictional children in pornographic fashion, and is therefore child pornography. This is also how the law considers it as it is referred to as "virtual child pornography".


291912  No.92964

>>92960

Who said that was a requirement of CP? Most of the shit you find online is just camgirls.


426118  No.92977

>>92960

That's laughably retarded and only the most bluepilled sex-hating soynigger could ever believe it for an instant.


000000  No.92979

>>92657

Former pedo in denial here, can confirm this is true


4cb014  No.92980

>>92962

>No anon, it's called csam because it is footage or photographs of actual child sexual abuse.

It's called CP because it is footage or photographs of actual child porn.

>The material not only depicts it, but it also features it, it is evidence of a crime.

You're going to have to explain the big difference here between depiction and featuring. I have read various loli hentai that feature little girls being raped.

>it is evidence of a crime.

So is CP.

>We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child sexual abuse if they were real, but since they are not real no abuse occurs and thus it is not child sexual abuse material.

We could say that the events of a loli doujin would be child porn if they were real, but since they are not real no child is the subject of pornography and thus it is not child porn.

>On the other hand it does indisputably depict albeit fictional children in pornographic fashion, and is therefore child pornography.

On the other hand it does indisputably depict, albeit fictional, child sexual abuse, and is therefore child sexual abuse material.

Do you understand now how there is no real difference made when you use this new term?

>This is also how the law considers it as it is referred to as "virtual child pornography".

The law often brazenly uses the term "virtual" to simply mean "digital" as in "a virtual recording of actual real child porn made from actual real children" even though it can be interpreted as "simulated" and thus not real. But for the sake of argument, let's assume they mean simulated and not real. They say virtual CP because CP is the popular term and it is what is on the legal books. If CSAM were to gain in popularity and replace CP in the legal books then authorities would simply say "virtual child sexual abuse material" instead. And they'd likely also brazenly use it when meaning real abuse that has been digitized as they often do now.

>>92956

Wow. I normally use saucenao, but Yandex seems to work wonders. Show is a series of shorts on mental disorders called Comical Psychosomatic Medicine.

>>92946

Yes. A suppressed study, I think by the UN, showed that piracy acted as advertising and actually boosted sales for all categories of media except newly released blockbuster movies.

>>92947

>Can you post content?

Yes.

>You guys preach like you're going to convert me

There's far more reason to debate shit on the internet than changing the mind of the person you're debating.

>This thread was suppose to be about the status of ATF

People are waiting on developments and flinging shit in the meantime.

>>92960

He's likely talking about images taken and uploaded by children themselves and he probably thinks that's fine. The thing is, if that was legally fine, you'd have tons of pedos inducing kids to do it and having complete plausible deniability of involvement if they can coerce the kid to say the adult was not involved. It would be enabling tons of child sexual abuse. There's already a similar problem with kids in skimpy outfits and "modelling", but there's not much to be done about non-sexually explicit images unless you can find some other hard proof of abuse.


4cb014  No.92981

File: 78dcf529cc1848e⋯.jpg (588.57 KB, 851x1200, 851:1200, 8a17a3fbc0a4096b2a7ddd39f3….jpg)

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164940  No.92983

>>92981

Can you do this in some other thread?


4cb014  No.92984

>>92983

What?


8c84ef  No.92985

>>92983

>posting lolis actively discouraged on the /loli/ board

oh how the mighty have fallen


426118  No.92986

>>92980

I'm talking about all CP. Even the bad shit should be legal to possess and solo or non-rape CP (actual rape, not statutory meme rape you feminist cucklets) should be legal to produce. No arrangement of fucking digital information should be illegal to possess.


426118  No.92987

>>92986

Also in addition to this, adult-child relationships should be legal if children get individual recognition of capability to consent from a court. With no arbitrary minimum age because consent is easier to understand than any dumb anti's retarded interpretation of human sexuality, so convoluted and based in his personal squick factors as it is.


fe0c23  No.92988

>>92986

Children can't consent and legalising child porn would incentivise the creation of more child porn.

There is no reason at all to do this except for your floaty "configuration of pixels" ideals and that's not worth bringing harm to children over.


4cb014  No.92991

File: 40ad0a838ad0543⋯.jpg (775.3 KB, 773x1000, 773:1000, 40ad0a838ad054306ced824292….jpg)

File: 29b331a0718d7db⋯.gif (900.93 KB, 260x576, 65:144, 42.gif)

File: 92a84cea04d438b⋯.png (2.01 MB, 1680x1200, 7:5, 999.png)

File: acd5f48d4e1c3e7⋯.jpg (1.54 MB, 1200x2400, 1:2, 1486480af73675f4c310f8c9a5….jpg)

File: 238a3a0cfc964a2⋯.jpg (1.42 MB, 1920x1920, 1:1, 72414503_p2.jpg)

>>92988

>legalising child porn would incentivise the creation of more child porn.

You don't get him anon. He wants more child porn.

>adult-child relationships should be legal if children get individual recognition of capability to consent from a court. With no arbitrary minimum age

Yes. Because teaching a four year old to repsond to certain questions with certain answers means they fully understand all of the short and long term consequences of sexual intercourse. Fucking neck yourself.


4cb014  No.92992

File: b76c0874ea0b4ea⋯.png (177.3 KB, 383x700, 383:700, 7ecae5ddea8f044cd2567a7895….png)

Second half of >>92991 meant for >>92987


87d35d  No.92993

>>92988

I mean statistically speaking legalizing the possession of CP has been shown to reduce the rates of sex crimes involving minors so if you were really concerned with more children not being harmed you would decriminalize fapping to porn at a computer screen rather than making it the legal equivalent of going out a raping a kid.


fe0c23  No.92994

>>92993

You do realise that the creation of CP necessitates raping children, right?


4cb014  No.92995

>>92993

Those statics are only gotten from when countries make CP illegal, leading to a temporary spike in child sex crimes. Not from it being made legal and child sex crimes going down. Additionally, those statics likely include CP charges as child sex crimes. So of course the rate of child sex crimes would go up. It's like saying making murder illegal leads to a massive rise in illegal murders.


4cb014  No.92996

File: 6ac3fe51d8510d2⋯.jpg (377.66 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, 6ac3fe51d8510d207fb187d466….jpg)

>>92994

Creation and possession are not the same thing.


87d35d  No.92997

>>92995

It wasn't a study illegalizing CP in which the rates of sex crimes went up, it was a study in which legalizing the possession of CP resulted in the rate of sex crimes going down. It was done in czech if you want to look it up yourself.


4cb014  No.92998

File: 57586ab1c3ed784⋯.png (2.61 MB, 2000x1292, 500:323, fca9b07de735c211cf03602500….png)

>>92997

The same still applies. If you make a kind of child sex crime no longer illegal, then of course the of rate child sex crimes will go down because you just removed an entire category of them from the equation.


8c84ef  No.92999

>>92998

sex crimes involve a victim, imprisoning people for fapping to the wrong kind of porn does not, they are completely different categories of crime.

by that logic the fact that lolicon is illegal in the UK means that arrests for lolicon are contributing to the rate of sex crimes involving minors.


4cb014  No.93000

>>92999

>by that logic the fact that lolicon is illegal in the UK means that arrests for lolicon are contributing to the rate of sex crimes involving minors.

Probably. I don't make their laws.


fe0c23  No.93001

>>92996

Consuming child porn means you support the industry and creates a demand to produce more. How is this hard to understand?


4cb014  No.93002

File: 5c7497b8aaf871c⋯.jpg (895.2 KB, 2376x3491, 2376:3491, loli anatomy source.jpg)

>>93001

Yes, but possession is not production or distribution. There is a clear difference. That's not say I condone it, but that it is legally different.


22e6f5  No.93003

>>93001

If you were to post a dick pic in this thread and somebody saved it would that be creating demand for you to produce more dick pics or would you have no idea if there actually was any demand because you're simply releasing your dick pics for free to the internet for whoever wants them without a thought of the overarching dick pic industry that you're supplying for no personal gain whatsoever?


164940  No.93004

>>93001

>Consuming child porn means you support the industry and creates a demand to produce more.

But why video game industry hates my guts then?


426118  No.93006

File: 77bb865b1eaab6f⋯.jpg (204.2 KB, 632x704, 79:88, smug toddler.jpg)

>>92988

Children can readily consent, and even if they couldn't it would make no logical sense to disallow contact along those lines because their consent is never asked for in any other element of their lives. This hypocrisy underlies the desire of antis to deny children sexual agency, all elements of parenting and schooling would need to be re-examined if children's consent and desire were not routinely ignored by adults for their convenience. That is a primary source of harm to children and antis are fine with it because antis do not care for children's well-being at all and are lying shitheads (and as I mentioned, hypocrites.)

>>92991

>>92992

Nice fuckup, newfag.

>Fucking neck yourself.

No.

>>92994

Bullshit.

>mfw this is the best antis can do


4cb014  No.93007

>>93003

>If you were to post a dick pic in this thread and somebody saved it would that be creating demand for you to produce more dick pics

Yes if the person who saved it liked it and asked for more as is the case with CP. Reminder that piracy boosts sales of everything but blockbuster movies.


4cb014  No.93008

File: d7b9a594a55cc09⋯.jpg (583.25 KB, 948x1200, 79:100, Loli02.jpg)

>>93006

>Children can readily consent

No. And they can't and don't consent to schooling, yes. But you're conflating consent to sexual contact with consent to education by labelling them both as "consent". There's a huge fucking difference between making little Timmy learn his multiplication tables and making him suck a dick. You're using weasel words likely the weasily little child fucker you are, and you ought to hang yourself before you act on your beliefs, assuing the unlikely case that you haven't already. In which case you should also hang yourself.


000000  No.93010

>>92987

Too far, too far.

The age of consent is a mess in it's own right, but it's something that for the most part works. Tossing it out for something that is almost certain to become a train-wreck is not a good idea.

Perhaps, we could tune it so there's a four year buffer rather than locking up someone who is 18 and who is dating a 17 year old and maybe factor in relationships which started when both of them were underage, but there is a good reason it exists.

>>92986

The reason it is illegal to possess is not really because it specifically incentivizes abuse.

The reason it is illegal to possess is that otherwise it would be impossible to prove that someone has committed a crime, as often times, they will also be doing things like distribution which is far, far worse.

Proving distribution is nigh impossible given the way the internet works.

>>92991

I would like to think that judges aren't dumb enough to just rubber stamp every ridiculous proposal.

>>92993

I don't mind rolling back all the retarded anti-lolicon laws to help facilitate that. Is that good enough? Do we need a big ad campaign to get people to convert to the loli side?


4cb014  No.93011

>>93010

>Perhaps, we could tune it so there's a four year buffer rather than locking up someone who is 18 and who is dating a 17 year old

It already works that way. There's Romeo and Juliet clauses.

>I would like to think that judges aren't dumb enough to just rubber stamp every ridiculous proposal.

He said any age. What proposal for allowing a child with an age in the one's digit full autonomy to consent to sexual intercourse would you not find ridiculous?


000000  No.93012

>>93010

There have also been cases where some piece of crap would go overseas to have sex with kids, record it all to put online, and hop back to the U.S. when they're done. This is often outside of U.S. jurisdiction, so there's nothing the police can do about it.

I don't think child pornography being legal or illegal has an impact on that as they're likely both pedophiles (attracted to children) and psychopaths (unable to feel empathy for other human beings), but it's nice to see them getting put away somewhere where they can't harm anyone.

And a "relationship" with a child prostitute who is desperate for food can hardly be considered "consensual", if anyone wants to argue down those lines.


4cb014  No.93013

File: 45eaad5e5c583eb⋯.jpg (148.33 KB, 683x700, 683:700, e5ddd1cca4ac4dbcc367891875….jpg)

>>93012

>This is often outside of U.S. jurisdiction

What about sex tourism laws?

>And a "relationship" with a child prostitute who is desperate for food can hardly be considered "consensual", if anyone wants to argue down those lines.

If you bring that up, the same has to be brought of for an of-age starving prostitute.


b24ccb  No.93014

>>93007

I wouldn't produce CP and risk my entire life being ruined because someone might like it for the same reason I wouldn't post CP here and risk my entire life being ruined because someone might like it, what kind of retarded rationale is that anyway?

If people are going to produce CP they're going to do it regardless of demand because the good wishes of the people getting the CP doesn't suddenly make it worth it to risk your life in order to create it.


4cb014  No.93015

>>93014

>because the good wishes of the people getting the CP doesn't suddenly make it worth it to risk your life in order to create it.

Neither is it worth it to normal people to risk jail to fuck a child. Pedos like sharing CP for free with other pedos for the same reason all degenerates like posting their fetishes.


000000  No.93016

>>92621

>lolis are often drawn with many post-pubescent features

That's what makes them different from the 3dpds and so good. >>81327 is pretty much the hottest thing in the universe.


b24ccb  No.93017

>>93015

But "normal people" risk jail by raping women all the time, far more than pedos are raping children, its self evident that sexual gratification makes risking your life worth it in the eyes of these people.

Whats not self evident is why you think it would be worth it to share footage of those illegal acts online simply because some people might thank you for it.


4cb014  No.93018

>>93017

Pedos like sharing CP for free with other pedos for the same reason all degenerates like posting their fetishes.


b24ccb  No.93019

>>93018

So by your own logic they have an inherent urge to share what they create regardless of the demand for it because degenerates just like posting their fetishes?


4cb014  No.93020

>>93019

They like the attention they get from it and especially the positive attention they get from fellow degenerates of similar taste.


b24ccb  No.93021

>>93020

So if the internet didn't exist then pedos would no longer rape kids to make CP from it because they only do it in order to get positive attention online?


000000  No.93022

>>93021

Pedos sharing CP was a problem for the police even before the internet.

It usually came in the form of physical tapes, ifaik.


4cb014  No.93023

>>93021

Circles of pedos sharing their porn and making more of it to share existed before the internet.


b24ccb  No.93024

>>93022

>>93023

Okay then let me get this straight, pedos risk their lives to rape kids in order to record it just so they can share it and get a positive reaction out of other pedos so if you think about it its the ability to record their child raping thats creating a demand to rape children in the first place so logically wouldn't it make sense to illegalize all recording devices under the same rationale as possessing CP is illegal?

I mean by your logic it would result in less children being raped since pedos are raping children purely to share CP with other pedos right? Or is children being raped a worthy sacrifice for your ability to take selfies?


000000  No.93025

>>93024

Well. No.

They do it because they're either psychopaths who don't give a damn about kids or they're so twisted that they think the children actually enjoy it.

Some of them were molested as kids and use reasoning along the lines of "I was molested when I was younger and I enjoyed it so much that I'll do it to other people too".

I don't think all pedophiles are like that, even the consumers and distributors, but the producers are just… twisted.


b24ccb  No.93026

>>93025

That post is less directed at you since you clearly understand that pedos aren't just creating CP because other pedos want it unlike that other anon whos so wrapped up in his narrative about creating a demand for CP that it leads to ridiculous scenarios like banning all recording devices when taken to its logical conclusion.


88bbd9  No.93027

>>93006

>even if they couldn't it would make no logical sense to disallow contact along those lines because their consent is never asked for in any other element of their lives

We also aren't exploiting them as a sexual object to selfishly get our jollies at their expense in any other aspect of their lives


5304e3  No.93028

>>93027

well the argument could be made that just bringing them into this god forsaken world to continue our genetic line is a selfish and exploitative act that they never asked for


000000  No.93029

>>93027

The scariest thing about this is that someone may well create people who think it is normal to do that to children. At-least with many pedophiles, they have the morals to know that it is obviously bad.

People will argue that some children mature sooner than others or that some can deal with it, but it's really not worth taking the risk when the obvious option is you know, not to have sex with them in the first place.


88bbd9  No.93031

>>93025

>or they're so twisted that they think the children actually enjoy it.

The children can enjoy it. I can speak of this from experience as a victim of child molestation, I certainly liked it at the time, and I was certainly just as capable of orgasm as an adult. The issue is that while a child can enjoy it, and while they can realize they enjoy it and consequently want more, they can't truly understand exactly what sex is, and they will certainly suffer mental damage as a result of their development being thrown wildly off-rails.

>>93028

You could make that argument but then you'd be a death cultist.


6c5e81  No.93033

>>93029

Muslims already think its normal and their populations are booming as they spread all over the planet while we can't even meet a replacement rate as our marriages fall apart and our single mothers breed retarded autistic kids because they wait too long to have babies, so much for the "obvious option".

In the long run its evolution that will dictate whos morality is superior and the odds don't seem to be in our favor.


88bbd9  No.93034

>>93033

>he actually thinks the muslim baby boom is because they fuck people who are too young to be capable of procreation


6c5e81  No.93035

>>93034

Its because they marry young instead of waiting until their women have fucked 100 different guys before legally allowing them to marry so any marriage they do enter into has a higher chance of failing than lasting.

So while the american woman spends her whole life jumping from one purposeless fuck buddy to the next making no children the muslim woman is married to her first sexual partner which gives the highest likelyhood of a lasting marriage and together they breed like rabbits.


88bbd9  No.93036

File: 8b490ca35101c24⋯.jpg (136.24 KB, 680x545, 136:109, radical traditionalist.jpg)

>>93035

This is the result of (((sexual liberation))) in the west not pedophilia in Islam. The solution is a traditionalist return to form; completely reject the foundation of a liberal worldview and concepts like equality, tolerance and liberation that proceed therefrom in favor of the medieval European worldview which exalts hierarchy, family, and righteousness.


6c5e81  No.93037

>>93036

It also permitted child brides just as islam does today because sexual liberation doesn't change the raging libido that puberty grants you and its best to already be devoted to a single partner by the time that hits rather than be left to sleep around with whoever your hormone addled mind deems pleasing at the moment which is the status quo nowadays.


4cb014  No.93039

>>93024

>pedos are raping children purely to share CP with other pedos right?

No one ever said purely.


000000  No.93040

>>92988

Children can consent is the stupidest shit I still hear on a daily basis. I can't even imagine the mental gymnastics you'd have to do to believe this. It's probably social pressure.


426118  No.93041

>>93040

The complete inversion of the truth.


000000  No.93042

>>93031

>they will certainly suffer mental damage

Speak for yourself. If you look at testimonies of people who had sex as children, a lot of them report a positive experience.

I don't doubt that in the case of child rape a lot of children suffered psychological damage, but surprise, that also happens to adults. Rape is obviously a bad thing, but consensual sex isn't.

>inb4 "hurr all sex involving children is rape cuz they can't consent"


4cb014  No.93043

>>93042

>Get child's consent to have sex

>She loses her virginity

>Later when she's older she then fully understands the value of what she's lost

<Hurr the child consented. She was just a slut. She totally knew what it meant to lose her virginity.


000000  No.93044

>>93043

What happens when she's older? Nothing. Sometimes everyone finds out and they brainwash her into believing something horrible happened to her, continuously talking about how she must've suffered, despite the fact she consented to it and legitimately enjoyed it, and as a result she comes to believe she was a victim and thus the narrative reinforces itself. Happens every once in a while.


4cb014  No.93045

>>93044

Anon, you seriously don't understand the value of a woman's virginity?


88bbd9  No.93046

>>93042

>If you look at testimonies of people who had sex as children, a lot of them report a positive experience

If you didn't rush in your insecurity to disagree you'd realize this includes myself, retard

>>93044

>Sometimes everyone finds out and they brainwash her into believing something horrible happened to her, continuously talking about how she must've suffered, despite the fact she consented to it and legitimately enjoyed it, and as a result she comes to believe she was a victim and thus the narrative reinforces itself

This is pure cope. All you're doing is victim blaming. You're just saying she's wrong for feeling hurt, that you did nothing wrong and she should shut up and stop feeling hurt. I have utmost confidence in that assertion because the people who think this have consistently told me I'm in the wrong for feeling hurt and damaged by my abuse because I enjoyed it at the time. And to poke another hole in your rationalization, to this day nobody knows about it except me and my abuser, so you can't claim I was brainwashed against it.


426118  No.93047

>>93046

You were abused so everyone that has sex is now abused, makes sense. One rape happens and now adult-adult sex bad.


4cb014  No.93048

>>93044

>>93045

Oh wait, it makes since. Since you're an adult, and you're too stupid to get these things but can legally consent, children ought to be able to legally consent too! Difference is, you had plenty of time to figure out how the world works and come to understand the short and long term consequences of sexual intercourse. A child has not.

>>93046

>to this day nobody knows about it except me and my abuser, so you can't claim I was brainwashed against it.

Yes he can. He can simply say society's view on child sex is your brainwashing. Not direct social pressure by your peers about your personal situation.


4cb014  No.93049

File: 0b075fe1b7cbfdf⋯.gif (1.81 MB, 500x650, 10:13, 0b075fe1b7cbfdf08fa8c11cdb….gif)

File: b684b022cb79e29⋯.jpg (744.19 KB, 1400x1980, 70:99, 0ba9d427b6043df32f814d637f….jpg)

File: 0c2163d6982eda7⋯.png (2.92 MB, 2105x2974, 2105:2974, 0c2163d6982eda7bd7e7255c00….png)

>>93046

>If you didn't rush in your insecurity to disagree you'd realize this includes myself, retard

>>93047

>You were abused so everyone that has sex is now abused, makes sense.

<My anecdote is correct!

<No my anecdote is correct!


88bbd9  No.93050

>>93047

Do you faggots have to read into my words, or does this case just throw such a monkey wrench into your worldview that you simply can't comprehend it?

Again: I was not forced or coerced, I did not dislike it

>>93048

>Yes he can. He can simply say society's view on child sex is your brainwashing

I suppose he can, but then I would have license to totally dismiss his entire position out of hand since he would be making it automatically correct by making evidence of the contrary impossible. I would also find it laughable


88bbd9  No.93051

Also can I just point out what a blatant rationalization pro-contact beliefs are? I want everyone here who is pro-contact to pose this question to yourself: "Would I believe adult-child sex is acceptable if I was not interested in sex with children?"


4cb014  No.93053

File: 3ccc9f7c675511e⋯.jpg (708.34 KB, 1036x1392, 259:348, 3ccc9f7c675511e38433ac2b25….jpg)

File: fac243a7a91805c⋯.png (10.58 KB, 200x240, 5:6, 5ce2e02844235ea0739b548f70….png)

>>93050

> I would also find it laughable

Understandable given this is a loli board. If you were so thoroughly brainwashed that this stuff is bad, you wouldn't think loli was okay, because like the most of the rest of the populace, social pressure and "brainwashing" would make you think it leads to child abuse.

>>93051

This sounds like an exercise in futility for both you and them. They would obviously say yes regardless.


88bbd9  No.93054

>>93053

>They would obviously say yes regardless.

If they say 'yes', this just proves my point and actually contradicts arguments they make because the answer is obviously 'no'. If they say 'no' then they essentially concede my point.


4cb014  No.93056

File: ad8e127122913a7⋯.jpg (1022.57 KB, 1284x1800, 107:150, 7dd2d000857b7c35dd6084d93c….jpg)

>>93054

>If they say 'yes', this just proves my point and actually contradicts arguments they make because the answer is obviously 'no'.

Anon, this reasoning is fucking terrible. Your question is simply a roundabout way of implying they're only pro-contact because they want to fuck kids. If they say yes, they're being consistent with their arguments and simply denying that they only believe these things in order to potentially fiddle kiddies. If they say no, they're admitting to being only sexually motivated rather than logically.


4cb014  No.93057

File: 93e8cf744d15b97⋯.png (676.01 KB, 848x1200, 53:75, 93e8cf744d15b97395f3e27efa….png)

>>93054

>>93056

And furthermore

>because the answer is obviously 'no'

The answer obviously no to you and I, because of the things we believe. They don't believe those things. This part of your logic hinges on them already agreeing with you in which case this debate would not be happening.


88bbd9  No.93059

>>93057

I don't think you're seeing my point. You and I do not factor into it at all. Teleiophiles (aka normalfags) are opposed to adult-child sex. I trust this fact is not disputed, and that is why the answer is obviously no. Hence my point: They are only accepting of adult-child sex because they are pedophiles, which gives them a clear vested interest in adult-child sex being ok. Hence they do not hold these beliefs for any justifiable reason, but only because it justifies themselves, essentially reforming their beliefs to suit themselves to avoid self-applying negative beliefs about pedophiles. It's just an emotional defense mechanism, a rationalization.


4cb014  No.93060

File: 876c6f33f990ba5⋯.jpg (879.95 KB, 1024x1280, 4:5, 938dc7388a9f90401bdba2711c….jpg)

>>93059

True, but they would still say yes for the reasons I already outlined, not despite their motives, but because of their motives. That is why I say it is an exercise in futility.


812689  No.93061

Fuuuuck, it's been a long time since I was last on ATF or its discord chat. I was a coder and lower-level admin on the site for a couple years but changes in my living situation driven by some very unsavory characters (one of which was quasi-recently found guilty and will be sentenced very soon) led to me ghosting them (anyone who was around at the time will know what I'm talking about). Having to pick up and move your entire life across the country, find new employment, and assume a new identity will do that. It's not fun. VPNs are my only real lifeline.

If Sinom, Dolly, or that one Salvadorean chick that I had a crush on (whose name now eludes me) is reading this, please tell the others that I'm still alive. The bullet wounds have healed as well as they can. My wife and I are safe, but no longer live on the east coast. We've purchased even more guns, now. I'm sorry I'm a shitty friend. You guys made a very difficult chapter of my life a lot easier, and I'm glad you were a part of it. But I've been so busy the last two or so years that I haven't had the time to keep up that alter ego. If you feel like it, the email associated with my old account is still active and the public key on my profile is still valid. If you want to say hi, I wouldn't mind.

Thanks guys, you really helped me out. I'm sorry.


000000  No.93062

>>92459

Thanks for the prostiloli translations ATF!


000000  No.93063

>>93040

It's very easy to believe that. When someone is cornered with nowhere else to go, a desire they can do nothing about and a group of people who will just believe whatever they want to be true. It's a coping mechanism, there is an inherent loneliness to it all.

Fantasies are fine and all, but when it comes to real children, things like that should be left purely in the realm of fantasy. I think that more research could be done in this area (our research into psychology sucks royally in general), but I don't think it is currently worth the risk.

It should go without saying that it should never be up-to the person who desperately wants sex, complicit family members (abusers are often family rather than random people on the street as is the lore), or a gullible child to make such a determination as to whether they're capable in any circumstance.

This is ignoring all the legal matters which make attempting it the pinnacle of retardation.


4cb014  No.93064

File: c6db07f9eccc359⋯.png (1.35 MB, 1178x999, 1178:999, 000.png)

>>93061

>I'm sorry.


88bbd9  No.93065

>>93063

>I think that more research could be done in this area (our research into psychology sucks royally in general)

Research into free pedophiles is almost impossible. Imagine if some kind of study was advertised looking for pedophiles who have not been arrested. Would you show up to that? Would you associate your face with that, your name with that? I know I wouldn't.


426118  No.93066

>>93050

Don't bother, I've already dismissed your position out of hand.


88bbd9  No.93067

>>93066

Next time just say "no u", it's less cringy that way


4cb014  No.93068

File: 7e910a355274846⋯.jpg (325.4 KB, 600x849, 200:283, legume_loli.jpg)

>>93067

You're not his dad.


426118  No.93069

>>93067

I was first, it is only your faulty perception of the progression of this conversation that leads you to believe I had not already dismissed your position out of hand before you even finished stating it.

>>93068

Big true tbh.


88bbd9  No.93072

File: 96976b37ed5639c⋯.jpg (54.18 KB, 500x329, 500:329, 1451444160187.jpg)

>>93069

>I was first

Could you possibly get any more childish?


426118  No.93073

>>93072

It's true, I have no interest in listening to the bullshit antis spew. Least of all you fags that try to make it about you and your bad experience to poison the well for everyone else. It really isn't even about you, it's a discarding of your archetype's position as a whole. There is no part of you that is uniquely predisposed to being tossed.


4cb014  No.93074

File: 156f9eda1fe7925⋯.gif (2.49 MB, 576x432, 4:3, Hikari.gif)

>>93073

This is some upper mid tier autism.


426118  No.93075

>>93074

What a take from another anti, at least I tell you I'm explicitly biased.


000000  No.93080

>>93073

It's parents who campaign against it. They don't want random people harming their kids, this ironically leads to parents getting away with abusing their own kids in a lot of cases.

When nudist images were struck off the CP classification, a lot of parents were absolutely furious and protested. No politician ever wants to lose favor with them.

I don't think it's just rape which harms kids either, perhaps there is a way of identifying which ones will be harmed and which ones won't, but assuming that they won't be is a bad idea.


cb4cd8  No.93084

>>92959

Lolicon = Lolita Complex, derived from the book Lolita. Lolicon =/= Gothic Lolita Fashion.


2dc875  No.93085

File: 48951728c6d6af1⋯.jpg (275.93 KB, 787x900, 787:900, 1516259113283.jpg)

If anyone with access to the discord, or better yet, a member of the ATF administration, reads this please consider putting the actual ATF site servers behind a load balancer (nginx/haproxy) set up on a different cloud provider. This will mask the actual IPs for ATF and prevent takedowns of this sort from occurring again (they won't know who to contact to request takedowns to).

This also makes SSL management easy as you can automate certificate generation of LBs, and you can easily defend the site by piping all the traffic though the LB.

Proxies are tremendously easy to setup once you've got one running. Best of luck and hope you can get the site up and running in short order.


fe0c23  No.93086

>>93061

>>93085

Both of your posts have been brought to the attention of the staff.


2dc875  No.93087

>>93086

To add a bit, since ATF runs a lot of third party modules (booru, forum) you should watch out for HTTP response headers leaking out information about the real server address, and make sure you block that at the LB level with the proxy_hide_header directive.


7dcaa5  No.93088

>>93086

Hey is there any way I could get an invite to the discord?


426118  No.93091

>>93084

>Derived from the book Lolita

>Japs made the term

>Japs wrote Lolita

Please stop responding to me until you aren't retarded anymore.


1480be  No.93094

any estimates on how long before the site is back, and this terrible comment chain can be nuked from orbit?


426118  No.93096

>>93094

Reeeeee discussions I don't like reeeeeeee


1480be  No.93099

>>93096

what kind of lunatic would like this never-ending butthurt bitchfit about the ethics of banging kids?


1732d5  No.93100

>>93099

what kind of lunatic would prefer a hugbox where nothing they say is ever questioned and everyone they talk to agrees with them on everything so theres nothing of substance to discuss?


31fc38  No.93101

File: add7387b58639ca⋯.jpg (97.72 KB, 612x612, 1:1, Age of consent.jpg)

>>93036

>>93035

remind me of this


a00bac  No.93102

>>93085

>>93087

Based network engineer anon.

Hope they implement the protections this time or this shit will keep happening.


ef068b  No.93117

>>93100

>what kind of lunatic would prefer a hugbox where nothing they say is ever questioned and everyone they talk to agrees with them on everything so theres nothing of substance to discuss?

This actually sounds quite nice.

Arguments on the internet never lead to any positive outcomes anyway. Nobody's opinion gets changed and no substantial action gets taken. It just makes people angry and wastes time which could be better spent on more productive activities.


539085  No.93119

>>93117

>more productive activities

Like masturbating to cartoons?


d41683  No.93120

>>93035

I thought it was more because they just kill slutty women.


4cb014  No.93122

File: ac0567349405b6c⋯.gif (987.79 KB, 1000x625, 8:5, 1a6789c21d8a33840701d61814….gif)

>>93117

Then stop posting and go read a book.


bfac00  No.93123

File: 973276c70e339d1⋯.jpg (545.75 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, yande.re 371451 adachi_ten….jpg)

>>93117

>Nobody's opinion gets changed

You don't know this. Lurkers can be influenced, your opponent too even if they won't admit it.


c4f451  No.93124

>200 posts

>not a single joke about the ATF agency


3e116d  No.93127

>>93124

Adolescent Tween Fetish agency? There's nothing to joke about.


a997e0  No.93130

File: 93c4662646f5e26⋯.gif (240.14 KB, 480x270, 16:9, Police.gif)


a997e0  No.93132

>>92949

I get you and I agree but on the other hand it also smells like vampire.


1732d5  No.93135

File: 19b769f5ab33326⋯.jpg (31.09 KB, 338x338, 1:1, 21565-104.jpg)

>>93132

There is literally nothing wrong with vampires, sure they suck your blood at night but its only when you're asleep and you won't even notice its gone so whats the big deal anyway?


8992f6  No.93138

Please don't tell me I'm going to be waiting until Winter 2014 for ATF to come back.


539085  No.93139

>>93138

Is this a meme?


a997e0  No.93140

>>93135

Oh, don't worry if that's your response then you're fine I was just thinking of another anon who could say something like that.

Also like vampires btw.


8992f6  No.93148

>>93139

The Mother 4 fangame was supposed to come out Winter 2014 and people are still waiting


4cb014  No.93149

File: 6b70617bdd851d3⋯.jpg (246.88 KB, 600x600, 1:1, loliclock.jpg)

>people are still waiting

Dear heaven's look at the time.


3e116d  No.93150

>>93149

>>93149

Can I get a 24-hour version? Even 09:00 here is too young for me


4cb014  No.93151

File: 240bda23f1058d8⋯.jpg (668.91 KB, 1000x780, 50:39, 64225161_p0_.jpg)

File: 3a266f190545c86⋯.jpg (1.13 MB, 1500x1500, 1:1, 64225161_p1_.jpg)

File: 7c8d5a9136ad84d⋯.jpg (592.59 KB, 800x1131, 800:1131, Nanachi 57259543_p1_.jpg)

>>93150

Sorry. That artist, though very good, does mostly toddlercon. I wish he didn't. I wish more artists would draw smaller and smaller lolis without the toddlercon proportions of pudgy limbs and potbellies. I really like it when a loli is just the right height to give a blowjob while standing, but you don't get that small often without hitting toddlercon territory.


426118  No.93153

>>93151

Fuck you nigger, there's not even close to enough toddlercon as it is.


4cb014  No.93155

File: 267fb307c2b2055⋯.png (539.39 KB, 700x500, 7:5, 1.png)

>>93153

I should reword that. I want him to make some small lolis, not just toddlers.


88bbd9  No.93161

>>93153

babby is not for sexual


a3b40a  No.93167

File: df0d95421e50a8c⋯.jpg (329.41 KB, 1500x1500, 1:1, 1560328362490.jpg)

I just want my fucking elderscroll kids to not look like trash REEEEEEEEEE why did atf had to go down when I needed it the most


9be656  No.93172

File: 8ac42b3ecfe06bd⋯.jpg (142.09 KB, 1280x1837, 1280:1837, 024.jpg)

>>93155

You mean like this?


9be656  No.93173

>>92956

He says it's 8-14 specifically.


000000  No.93176

just wanted to know of any updates to atf, instead I also got to read through an entire ethical debate regarding the legality of loli. Now, I'm just sitting here in a dark room questioning myself. Perhaps a little sit down at the edge of a windy cliff may decide whats best for me.toodles


d0b618  No.93179

>>93176

If you have actual CP of real kids then yes please do, make sure it's a very windy cliff.

Otherwise if it's just drawn 2D loli content please don't since it wouldn't be justified.

If anything you should wait until ATF comes online and talk to other like minded folks in the personal section of the site and find support


4cb014  No.93180

File: 1cf03d2006e4855⋯.png (24.01 KB, 740x790, 74:79, 19.png)

>>93172

Can't be entire sure until they're naked. But at least their limbs aren't pudgy.


33b9c6  No.93181

So, what's the status of the site? Is it still waiting on the servers to be set up or something?


4b9619  No.93182

>>93176

I don't see anyone ITT talking about the ethics or legality of loli, just about whether or not it's pedophilia.

>>93179

>If you have actual CP of real kids then yes please do, make sure it's a very windy cliff.

What if you stumbled on cp and were overwhelmed and fapped to it? Asking for a friend


86e117  No.93183

>What if you stumbled on cp and were overwhelmed and fapped to it? Asking for a friend

That actually happened to me. There was this Dropbox folder full of normal porn, and the dark think mixed in between.


d0b618  No.93184

>>93182

>What if you stumbled on cp

Don't hover cursor over or open the image if thumbnail where you can tell what it is, if a link in new tab close it right away, report the offending image/user to host.

>>93183 If discovered in a folder full of normal porn, delete the offending material and really at that point the whole folder as there may be more bad images mixed in. Best not to risk viewing anymore after that.

>and were overwhelmed

Sure that can happen especially for the first time, a normal response should be shock and disgust even from a lolicon perspective because real 3D is a no-go by all means.

If overwhelmed such as excitement to seeing such then you've got a bigger issue at hand, continuing below.

>and fapped to it

Big mistake, Assuming you didn't save it afterwards and felt immediate shame and regret then not all hope is lost, you just have to not let that happen ever again. Learn control and don't purposely seek it out. If saved or fapped multiple times to such then you have a big issue that will can and only spiral out of control, if you reside in Germany perhaps consider trying the Prevention Project Dunkelfeld before things get to the point where you're lusting over real girls in public or become dangerous around young family members or friends. *Better yet turn yourself into police admitting what you did, usually first time offenders most likely get little sentence and shown some leniency by the judge for turning yourself in and knowing/admitting to your fault, might only be a few months at most in a comfy protective custody cell in a low security level facility where you commune with a mental health worker to work on your fault or at best a few hundred hours of community service or house arrest with no internet or internet enabled devices during the sentence time. After it's over your internet connection will be forever monitored of course and your name on a list but that will serve as a good deterrent not to offend again or face much harsher sentence. If not guilt ridden and one actually enjoys looking at such content and don't want to help themselves stop then they should just find that windy cliff and stand on the edge hopefully before they offend against a real child when their lust and urges get the better of them. I'm a lolicon but I can't stand actual pedos that lust or enjoy their continued sexual gratification using real abuse images/videos of kids. (*Depends on country of course and judge.)


4b9619  No.93186

>>93184

>lusting over real girls in public

Would this include checking out pretty little girls every time you encounter them, staring at their cute lolibutts and imagining how they look naked? Still asking for a friend


b3ab5b  No.93187

>>93186

Depends on how noticeable that is, in my opinion.


d0b618  No.93188

>>93186

We're human, when out in society we all look at each other but it means nothing, generally a 3 second gaze rule, no more or else it will look obvious and creepy to anyone paying attention god forbid a family member of said child notices you persistently staring and has the temper to say something. Face away, walk away or move away, focus on something else out of sight of them.

If you're imagining how they look naked it'll only be time before you're imagining what it's like to molest them, at that point you should just kill yourself or that friend.


4b9619  No.93189

>>93188

"My friend" likes to imagine molesting them while touching himself in the privacy of his own home, does that count?

Also "he" definitely stares for more than 3 seconds, hasn't been caught but the ogling has definitely moved from subconscious to conscious mind


d0b618  No.93190

>>93189

Sounds like a lost cause, push him over that cliff and pretend it was an accident. Nothing of value lost.


46497b  No.93191

>>93188

>If you're imagining how they look naked it'll only be time before you're imagining what it's like to molest them, at that point you should just kill yourself

What happened to fantasy being separate from reality? How do you justify fapping to the results of some japanese man imagining molesting kids and drawing it?


d0b618  No.93192

>>93191

Slippery slope.


46497b  No.93193

>>93192

So is what you're talking about, thats the whole point.


d0b618  No.93194

>>93193

I've been a lolicon for 30 years, I've never once slipped into enjoying reality. It's not impossible to not slip but I've known good friends that have slipped even with help not too, I don't speak to them anymore once I know they aren't helping themselves out of such. I agree, it's very important to keep fantasy exactly that.


46497b  No.93195

>>93194

Yeah I'm sure with advice like "don't hover cursor over or open the image and close the tab right away" or the fact that you cut contact with anyone whos no longer in denial it wouldn't be hard to never slip into enjoying reality.

If you want to live a lie then you do you but don't go around telling other people to kill themselves because they refuse to remain in denial.


d0b618  No.93196

>>93195

Denial isn't healthy, it can slowly tear once from the inside, instead they should admit the fault, be attempting to fix the issue and help themselves. If they make zero effort/enjoy getting off to actual child porn then yes they need to kill themselves before they progress to the 'opps I just molested my younger family member stage even though they always said they would never do such.' Please I've cut contact because they admitted lolicon material wasn't enough, that's evidence to a slippery slope to me and had he not been a good friend but a stranger I would have reported him for the safety of others.


46497b  No.93197

>>93196

When are you planning on "admitting the fault" that you too are a pedophile and thats why you have to treat CP like looking at medusa because you're terrified of what might happen if you did?

I went through this very same phase over a decade ago and I feel much more comfortable in my sexuality now than I ever did back then pretending to be something I'm not.

If you feel like you would go out and rape kids as a result of accepting who you are then that says more about you than all the people you cut contact with just like when religious people say they need religion for moral guidance because they'd see no reason why they can't just murder and rape whoever they want if god didn't tell them not to.


d0b618  No.93198

>>93197

So you're admitting to me you've grown accustomed to viewing and enjoying child porn? You're not someone I can ever come to an agreement with.

You're statistically more of a threat to actual children and should not be around them.

Anyone that purposely looks at child porn and doesn't treat it like medusa and is content with it HAS a big problem that needs attention ASAP.


46497b  No.93199

>>93198

>You're statistically more of a threat to actual children

Citation needed, I hear that same line of shit from normalfags about lolicon and its all based on nothing.

Really it just sounds to me like you're desperate to maintain this facade that you aren't a pedophile just like us and the fact that we exist pokes holes in that facade and you can't handle it so you have to try and cut us out of your life or try and convince us to kill ourselves or imprison ourselves so that you can keep pretending you're something that you're not.


426118  No.93200

>>93155

Oh that's fine then.

>>93161

Babby is VERY for sexual.

>>93192

Fall down one and fucking die you anti shithead.


d0b618  No.93201

>>93199

Moving the goal posts, not going to waste my time.

>>93200

>fucking die you anti shithead.

Calling a lolicon of 30 years an anti, thanks for the chuckle.

Seems like I've made upset some actual pedophiles, it's simple - if you enjoy real child porn yes please do kill yourselves.


4b9619  No.93202

>>93201

If you enjoy lolicon you would definitely enjoy cp


46497b  No.93203

>>93201

Asking for a citation to your claims isn't moving the goalposts, you just know you don't have a leg to stand on so you're doing the imageboard equivalent to "LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" just like you cut contact with your friends as soon as they started going against your narrative.


d0b618  No.93204

>>93202

Not true, just because some do make the terrible mistake of moving onto real child porn doesn't mean all lolicons would or do.


4b9619  No.93205

>>93204

It is true. That doesn't mean you have to be proud of it, I feel deeply ashamed, but let's be honest we're all just settling for 2d here


b3ab5b  No.93206

>>93199

Honestly, it doesn't matter whether you're likely to be a child molester or not. Viewing real child porn is already enough of a bad Thing in the first place.


d0b618  No.93207

>>93205

Well if you want to generalize such a large crowd I think you would be foolish to think such.


4cb014  No.93208

>>93186

>Would this include checking out pretty little girls every time you encounter them, staring at their cute lolibutts

>3D

>Loli


4b9619  No.93209

>>93207

Call me crazy, but I think it's safe to say that people who get off to fantasies and drawings of kids are into kids.


4b9619  No.93210

>>93208

Loli = little girl

That's all it means

3d girls are lolis


46497b  No.93211

>>93206

I fail to see why its a bad thing when I can watch ISIS behead people or put them in cages and drown them or set them on fire or watch a mass shooter film themselves as they kill dozens of people, if watching those atrocities isn't a bad thing then what makes this any different?


4cb014  No.93213

>>93202

>If you enjoy lolicon you would definitely enjoy cp

Nigger, I don't even like real women. Why the fuck would I like real children?

>>93210

You ought to have splintery wooden bat shoved up your ass and your head smashed in with a Nokia you disgusting niggerfaggot.


4b9619  No.93214

>>93213

Woah dude. I guess truth hurts


4cb014  No.93215

File: 6b027955acf7cfc⋯.jpg (105.3 KB, 707x1000, 707:1000, クトゥルー.jpg)

File: 92e984464d4d838⋯.png (1.38 MB, 1844x2800, 461:700, 674af0e0e8c48346911326dd92….png)

File: b823015eecb838d⋯.png (38.52 KB, 450x500, 9:10, 966.png)

File: 760ac9e279d6ff6⋯.png (9.38 KB, 300x400, 3:4, 971.png)

File: 6a6b00507e14aa1⋯.png (22.79 KB, 400x500, 4:5, 995.png)

>>93211

Generally, the market formed around snuff is tiny. Snuff porn ought to be banned as well. Seeing ISIS kill people radicalizes people in their favor, whether bpsychopaths actually agree with them on some level or not, they see terrorist causes as a good excuse to justify their murder porn when they see terrorist getting away with it. Snuff ought to be banned too for the same reason genuine incitement to violence is illegal.

>>93214

It should, in your groin. You deserve castration then euthanization.


d0b618  No.93216

>>93211

>what makes this any different?

Because they're real children of course. It's the same reason why children are always the first to be prioritized into an escape boat on a sinking ship.

We place the highest value with them, adults especially males are expendable this why seeing men in ISIS videos being beheaded wouldn't be no where near as shocking as seeing 12 dozen children being beheaded. Had the NZ shooter raided a pre-school and killed 40+ kids the shock factor would have been 100x stronger I imagine, the outrage much more immense. Child porn abuse videos and mass shooter videos are not on the same level, not even close.


4cb014  No.93217

>>93216

>Had the NZ shooter raided a pre-school and killed 40+ kids the shock factor would have been 100x stronger I imagine, the outrage much more immense

Anon, NZ banned the video and the US gov't grilled the shit out of big tech for not deleting it hard and fast enough.


d0b618  No.93219

>>93217

Of course, you can only imagine had it been all children victims the fallout from that when be much larger compared to what we seen.

The video was shared and re-uploaded all over the web and Facebook. I know had it been just child victims the same quantity of people would not be sharing (basically promoting) the shocking video. Morals of many would not sink that low.


4b9619  No.93220

>>93215

>You deserve castration then euthanization.

Why?


d0b618  No.93221

>>93220

To protect children from pedophiles that will one day fall victim to their lust and urges and hurt them.


46497b  No.93222

>>93215

How can you simultaneously post pictures like that while moralfagging about how someone should be castrated and killed and that censorship of what you're allowed to see should be worse rather than better, do you have an ounce of self awareness?

>>93216

What about animals? Videos of beastiality is illegal as well but we don't value dogs over men for example, so why are videos of a man being tortured to death allowed to be viewed but videos of a dog being fucked is illegal just like CP?

The answer is that when it comes down to it the censorship of what you're allowed to see is beginning at sexuality because its easy to convince people to be okay with outlawing sexual things that they don't like.

Thats why more progressive places like the UK have also outlawed lolicon and BDSM porn and other "distasteful" porn now as they test the limits of censorship further and further and see how much of our freedom they can take "for our own good".


61511a  No.93223

>>93221

If you can not control yourself, you are the one who needs isolation. I "use" both CP and 2d loli content and got no problem with controlling myself near kids, be them my sibilings or not.


426118  No.93224

>>93201

Self-hating gen X+ relic of a cunt. Lolicons are pedos too pussy to admit they're pedos and nothing else.


d0b618  No.93225

>>93222

>videos of a dog being fucked is illegal just like CP?

Because it comes down to the mentality and undeveloped minds of said creatures.

The animals are not as intelligent as humans and the child's mind still un-matured and not able to make rational decisions/easy to be manipulated, just like how a dog isn't really in power to stop someone from molesting it, a grown adult man can do the same and overpower a child. Are you trying to argue why you're not legally allowed to fuck my dog?


426118  No.93226

>>93225

It would be legal for you to do porn and you are completely non-functionally retarded.


d0b618  No.93227

>>93223

>I "use" CP

You know what I'm going request you to do next, cliffs over there.

>>93224

>Lolicons are pedos too

If you've missed and not read the other top half of this thread you'll see that was heavily debated, it's not true.


46497b  No.93228

>>93225

No I'm trying to argue the justifications for why its wrong to watch one kind of video on my screen that depicts illegal acts but its okay to watch another kind of video on my screen that depicts illegal acts.

If I go to the UK it would be illegal for me to watch a bondage video where a womans being whipped even if its a pornstar that agreed to do it and is getting paid, am I supposed to believe that women also have undeveloped minds and can't comprehend what it means to be whipped on camera for someones sexual gratification?


61511a  No.93229

>>93227

You can request anything you want and continue to live in denial <3


d0b618  No.93230

>>93228

>the UK it would be illegal for me to watch a bondage video where a womans being whipped even if its a pornstar that agreed to do it and is getting paid

Because the UK is a shit hole what else is there to be said. I don't agree with the heavy censorship they impose. How ever I'm glad child porn and bestiality is banned.

>>93229

Right back at you future child-molester.


46497b  No.93231

>>93230

By agreeing with censorship at all you're encouraging heavier censorship, I'm sure theres plenty of feminists who are glad that lolicon and BDSM videos are now illegal in the UK under the same faulty logic that you're glad the type of porn you don't like is illegal, what makes them any different from you?


61511a  No.93232

>>93230

Good thing bans are only for normies who can not use modern tech. Anything can be found with enough patience.

Though any censorship is just bad anyway. Agreeing to any form of censorship = agreeing to heavy 1984-style one.


d0b618  No.93233

>>93231

I never said I was glad lolicon was banned, just child porn.


d0b618  No.93234

>>93232

If you want child porn to be legal, you need to find a cliff to jump off too.


4b9619  No.93235

>>93221

I understand that and I consider suicide every day because it would ensure I never ruin some poor little girl's life, but what seemed to set anon off was me pointing out the fact that loli means little girl


46497b  No.93236

>>93233

No but you're glad child porn is banned under the same faulty logic that would make someone glad that lolicon is banned.

The only reason you're glad about the former but not the latter is that you use lolicon as an outlet for your pedophilic urges, for normal people that don't have any pedophilic urges they'd have no reason to fight against censorship regarding lolicon just like they don't have any reason to fight against censorship regarding CP or beastiality.


822eb7  No.93237

I viewed cp a few times when I was a minor myself, a good 16 years ago now.

I have zero attraction to actual children. I never had, even when I was a kid myself. I think that might have been why I looked at it in the first place. I thought I was weird for not being attracted to girls in my class when I was fapping to adult porn, so I tried non-adult porn.


d0b618  No.93238

>>93235

If you're considering suicide then it means you're already having the urges and are heavily suppressing yourself not to ever commit such or you're actively viewing a collection of child porn, delete it all if so. Self-control is good, keep it up.

I know not all pedophiles actually end up hurting a child but they're at greater risk of such, Do not allow yourself to be in an opportunity for such to happen, if a family member asks you to babysit make up a good excuse out of it if you feel you're a risk. Please exercise caution.


46497b  No.93239

>>93238

Telling someone whos using porn as an outlet for their sexual urges to delete it all is the worst thing you could possibly do.

Using porn to satisfy sexual urges isn't like a drug addiction where you can go to rehab and quit cold turkey and then those urges go away, you're stuck with it forever and so using porn as an outlet which hurts noone is preferable than just letting those urges get pent up inside until you can't take it anymore and rape someone.

The horrible advice that you're spreading is more of a danger to children than anything.


426118  No.93240

>>93227

I was the one debating it, retard. It is blatantly true.


d0b618  No.93241

>>93239

The child abuse images and videos can over time encourage and sexualize ones mind enough to make a non-offender an offender.

Child abuse shouldn't be encouraged with such a outlet, it only gives the viewer ideas and the feeling of going ahead and doing the same.


4b9619  No.93242

>>93239

>you're stuck with it forever

I can't believe that, I'm only 19 I can't believe I'll have this curse forever, it must just go away at some point


164940  No.93243

I'm just waiting for the site to get back up, don't mind me.


4b9b2c  No.93244

>>93242

I had this same illusion when I found out I was a pedo at 14yo. Mind you I'm still at that to this very day


d0b618  No.93245

>>93242

For those with such sure it's not curable but it's treatable and manageable when the person affected really cares and tries to safely control it the right way.

Get proper professional help if it becomes that bad or you've become suicidal from guilt, don't think finding & keeping a stash of child porn will keep you satisfied for the rest of your life.

It will only tempt and encourage you the day and chance you have an opportunity to offend because images/videos can and will become stale for some I imagine and it will only drive guilt levels overboard to where one really will find a cliff and I don't want that to happen unless one gives up and starts enjoying child porn.


4b9619  No.93246

>>93244

How old are you now?


000000  No.93247

>>93243

Same, these retards can't save their autism for the other loli/pedo thread. I'm having a hard time finding if the atf staff have posted anything since the last time I checked, because of all this debating


b3ab5b  No.93248

>>93247

Just check my posts. Previous ID was fe0c23, don't know why it changed.

I have been posting all updates here. Currently no real news, though it is looking up. for the site.


4cb014  No.93249

File: 36f5df0d0b53331⋯.jpg (226.54 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, 12.jpg)

>>93222

Loli doesn't require a real child to be sexually abused, their privacy violated, and their bodies exploited. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of the pro-contact fags who thinks children can consent. Hard to keep track of all the aspiring child abusers when there's 92 IDs and some posters have dynamic IPs.


4b9b2c  No.93252

>>93246

I'm 24 and going through some rare but present emotional dips


426118  No.93253

>>93242

>pedophilia

>a curse


4b9b2c  No.93254

>>93253

If you don't find being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls a curse in this contemporary world, I'm really worried about your view of the reality


000000  No.93255

>>93254

The true curse is all those poorfags addicted to roastie pussy


a666e4  No.93257

File: 067c1c2bf1f988c⋯.png (40.76 KB, 1393x632, 1393:632, Age of consent by country.png)

>>93254

Not all of the world share the same view of reality


822eb7  No.93260

>>93254

I mean, it's possible to be attracted to something without actually wanting to fuck them in real life.


426118  No.93261

>>93254

It is a blessing that I can see the beauty in children, it is a curse that not everyone does.


4cb014  No.93262

>>93257

>Map has no source listed

>Doesn't acknowledge that many places don't have a national AoC, but instead allow their individual territories to decide on AoC.

>>93260

>It's possible to want to fuck something without actually wanting to fuck something


822eb7  No.93263

>>93262

Have you ever found a celebrity hot?

How many would you legitimately have sex with?

Ever have an attractive friend? How many people have you been attracted to in the past that you chose not to make moves on?


a666e4  No.93264

File: c72aa6b0ae22976⋯.mp4 (2.58 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, You're missing the point (….mp4)

File: 16d71c669ab71bd⋯.png (186.44 KB, 1280x565, 256:113, 1280px-Age_of_Consent_-_Gl….png)

>>93262

You are missing the point, here is the one from Wikipedia you can find every source you want with every legal distinction on the link bellow my friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Age_of_consent_by_continent


4cb014  No.93266

>>93264

>You are missing the point

I wasn't trying to address it. I was calling that map shit. It's maps like that that make people think you can bang 13 year olds in Japan.


4cb014  No.93268

>>93263

Maybe you mean to say, it's possible to want to fuck something, but not want to deal with the consequences of fucking it and thus not "really" want to fuck it?


b3ab5b  No.93269

>>93268

It's the difference between an intention and a desire.


4cb014  No.93270

>>93269

Yes. But you still want to fuck them. That's still the desire. You just won't act on it. It's not your intention. You were denying wanting to fuck them.


000000  No.93271

>>93184

It doesn't lead to someone going after real people. The worst that might happen is them getting hooked on it which is it's own sort of bad.

The main reason this is bad is largely because the victims obviously don't want millions of strangers jerking off to the scene of them being abused as a child on camera.

So no, don't go killing yourself or thinking you're going to go around raping people because some "genius" on the web (who just parrots media hysteria) told you so, but do get off that crap.


4cb014  No.93272

>>93271

>It doesn't lead to someone going after real people.

No. It leads to the person wanting more of the material since they can't jack off to the exact same images and videos forever. So when they run out of the easy to find shit or want something specific, as we all do from time to time in our porn, they look to paying for that specific thing. Which is demand. And demand is met with more child abuse. Not necessarily from pedos. Sometimes it's poor people looking to make money. Or genuine sadists who gain no sexual thrill from the abuse. No, consumption of CP won't make the consumer a direct abuser, but a supporter of the abuse.


000000  No.93273

>>93271

And for people who really do think they'd go for someone (excluding paranoia of such induced by people around constantly telling you that you will do it because "all men are rapists"), then there is always therapy to prevent that from happening.

No need for anyone to die there either. And looking at someone in person is not the same as raping them, but it is still kind of creepy, if you do it for a long time.


4b9619  No.93274

>>93273

Is it still creepy if you're spying on them at a distance and they don't know you're looking?


000000  No.93275

>>93272

When you look for porn, do you think… "Oh boy, I love watching women being locked up in a room and forced to have sex?" or do you think "Well, they chose to do it, it's their career."

There is a *big* difference between searching around for consensually produced porn and searching around for the illegal type where it is impossible for them to consent.

If someone does pay for it (or distributes it, as that gives it even more attention), I hope the police finds a nice comfy cell for them for a few decades as that goes from being an addict (who should do everything they can to try to get off it, maybe lolis could be a substitute, it works for some) to being an accomplice.


000000  No.93277

>>93274

Yes, it is creepy and it will likely come off as suspicious and strange.


4cb014  No.93278

>>93275

> "Oh boy, I love watching women being locked up in a room and forced to have sex?" or do you think "Well, they chose to do it, it's their career."

I think neither. One of the reasons I stopped watching regular porn, other than simply liking hentai more, is becaus of all the horrible shit that's probably happening behind the scenes. Coercion, abusive relationships, blackmail, the effects of promiscuity on society, etc.

>There is a *big* difference between searching around for consensually produced porn and searching around for the illegal type where it is impossible for them to consent.

If you're pro-contact, you should fellate a shotgun.


822eb7  No.93279

Literally no one is pro-contact.


4cb014  No.93280

>>93279

Then you haven't been following this thread. There is at least one or more fags arguing in favor of children being able to consent to fucking.


4b9619  No.93281

>>93277

It's legal though?


000000  No.93282

>>93211

Watching ISIS behead people is also illegal, depending on the country.

It would take some pretty crazy CG to create CP without actually abusing someone.

>>93215

Self-euthanizing is surprisingly hard. I've tried and not even over real CP or the other things you people get flustered about.

Simply because I was depressed.

>>93236

As far as normal people are concerned, lolicon are paedophilic cartoon images. They immediately associate that with child rape, freak out and call for a ban.

And the media gleefully stokes these flames of hysteria, misrepresenting facts where it can to get a sensationalist story out, like anything remotely involving pedophilia.

>>93242

If you're over 16 and you're attracted to people over five years under you who are pre-pubescent, you are a pedophile.

If you're over 18 and you're attracted to people over five years under you who are pubescent (10 - 15 roughly), you are a hebephile.

It used to be four years, but they moved it over slightly.


000000  No.93283

>>93266

Japan is a weird one. Nationally, the age of consent is 13, but every region has bumped it up-to 18, so in practice, it is 18.


46497b  No.93284

>>93241

You don't have a single fact to back that up just like last time, all you do is make baseless assertions and then give up the position entirely as soon as anyone calls you on it.


4cb014  No.93285

>>93282

>Self-euthanizing is surprisingly hard.

I know.

>>93283

>Nationally, the age of consent is 13

No, it is not. Nationally, there is a law that says the minimmum AoC allowed to be set by any given prefecture is 13. That is not the same as having a national AoC. And not every region has it bumped up to 18 either. If I recall correctly it ranges from 16 to 18 just like the US. With the exception of two territories that aren't actually part of Japan.


4b9619  No.93286

>>93282

Is there a cure for pedophilia? Can it go away on its own?


000000  No.93287

>>93285

>No, it is not. Nationally, there is a law that says the minimmum AoC allowed to be set by any given prefecture is 13

God imagine the first prefecture to do that


4cb014  No.93288

>>93286

You can attempt to pavlovian style train yourself to be repulsed by children.


46497b  No.93289

>>93286

The sooner you get rid of the conditioning that makes you believe you've been stricken with some kind of horrible disease the better you'll feel about it, theres nothing wrong with you just because you like something they don't want you to like.

They did the exact same thing to the gays a generation ago making them feel like mentally ill people that turned out wrong and look how much thats changed now.


88bbd9  No.93291

File: 4d6d6ec27dc4d82⋯.gif (3.8 KB, 452x523, 452:523, whos behind this post?.gif)

>>93289

>They did the exact same thing to the gays a generation ago making them feel like mentally ill people that turned out wrong


108674  No.93293

>>93286

The best advice is >>93289.

The problem isn't in you. The problem is a lack of technology.

If I could, I'd gladly transfer my consciousness into a loli body and make some anons' wildest fantasies come true.

If you're worried about offending, stop worrying. Remind yourself that you have total control over your actions. If you don't want to hurt children, you won't. Just masturbate whenever you start to feel horny.

I'd also suggest watching more loli anime so you can become more fixated on 2D lolis. The personalities of 2D are really much better, and you'll feel less guilty for your fantasies.


000000  No.93294

>>93293

You forgot to say no homo


426118  No.93296

>>93279

Wrong, faggot.

>>93291

Simply ebin my friend, upboat.


4cb014  No.93298

File: 4779bfe99f074d9⋯.gif (2.9 MB, 640x452, 160:113, 998.gif)

File: c77418915f9de0c⋯.gif (301.69 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 999.gif)

File: be8cfc8deb85a18⋯.gif (386.92 KB, 505x330, 101:66, 2307f88d4355bf679faa747581….gif)

File: 5389a3fc1875611⋯.gif (59.29 KB, 300x300, 1:1, Alice_curtsy.gif)

File: 0c02c44bb563b13⋯.gif (178.71 KB, 344x135, 344:135, tomoko banner.gif)

>>93293

>If I could, I'd gladly transfer my consciousness into a loli body and make some anons' wildest fantasies come true.

Faggot.


108674  No.93299

File: f8a1613a848b11d⋯.gif (238.69 KB, 1848x1520, 231:190, cosplaying_as_konata.gif)

>>93298

Would you turn that offer down though?


000000  No.93300

>>93299

Too many panels, didn't read


4cb014  No.93301

File: 10fba0af7f754e2⋯.jpg (472.94 KB, 848x1200, 53:75, 07.jpg)

>>93299

No, as long as it's truly loli as in anime styled.


000000  No.93302

>>93286

Don't look at CP. Like ever. Not even accidentally.

ATF is really well moderated, so it never appears there, as are most loli sites.

You don't want to get hooked to it.

Around 1 - 5% of the population are estimated to be pedophiles, but you never hear about them molesting kids, as they have it under control. It's just the few who give everyone a bad name, especially those child murdering pieces of crap.


46497b  No.93303

File: 9fde66546d5d5e8⋯.jpg (492.35 KB, 1280x1855, 256:371, doctrine10.jpg)

>>93299

Personally I'd feel the same way about it as with tanya degurechaff where if you were to take lewd photos of yourself I'd gladly fap to them because your body would be undeniably a little girls body but actually being sexually intimate with you would feel pretty gay because regardless of the body you're still a man mentally and intimacy is more than just bonding physically.


4cb014  No.93304

File: ee8770a1ecb38cc⋯.jpg (41.09 KB, 600x800, 3:4, 10.jpg)

>>93303

>you're still a man mentally

That makes it even better.


46497b  No.93305

>>93304

And you have the audacity to call anyone else a faggot?


000000  No.93306

>>93286

Some may be attracted to both adults and children, and some sort of trauma might make them afraid of adults, but it never really goes away. There are also plenty where it is just innate.


4cb014  No.93308

File: 3085d5431371723⋯.jpg (58.92 KB, 450x600, 3:4, 06.jpg)

>>93305

But it was true.


46497b  No.93316

>>93308

Sure wanting to be the little girl and get fucked by men being top tier faggotry is true but don't think you'll fool anyone by trying to say you'd actually prefer to fuck a man in a little girls body just in an attempt to signal how different you are to us "actual pedos".


4cb014  No.93317

>>93316

>but don't think you'll fool anyone by trying to say you'd actually prefer to fuck a man in a little girls body just in an attempt to signal how different you are to us "actual pedos".

The fuck are you on about? I think you're making a lot of assumptions about the reason I said what I did. The pedo vs lolicon debate wasn't even part of that chain of replies anymore.


46497b  No.93318

>>93317

"I think you're making a lot of assumptions" says the guy in which all his arguments rely on baseless assumptions, but please prove me wrong and illustrate why it would be so much better to fuck a man in a little girls body this I gotta hear.


4cb014  No.93319

>>93318

Better than what?


108674  No.93320

>>93316

It probably doesn't make it any less gay, but I actually had other fetishes in mind.

Also ideally we'd switch places every few years to keep things interesting.


3e116d  No.93321

File: 7d3ecc584863c84⋯.jpg (9.95 MB, 4157x5906, 4157:5906, 4.jpg)

I don't have anything to say, just posting kisses


46497b  No.93322

>>93319

Better than the mind of a little girl that you'd expect to find in any of these pictures if they were more than just still images obviously.


4cb014  No.93323

>>93320

>Also ideally we'd switch places

That's double gay.

>>93322

>Why is, in the real world, fucking what is in essence a giant anime figure with the mind of an adult better than fucking anything with the mind of a child?

You can't be serious nigger. Fuck off your with your pro-contact children can consent bullshit.


108674  No.93324

>>93322

The only way to get close to that would be to approximate it with an AI, but it would still be an "adult" (and non-human) mind roleplaying as a little girl. I can't think of any ethical way to involve a real little girl's mind.


46497b  No.93326

>>93323

Do you only fap to doujins of thousand year old lolibabaas or something?

I just can't imagine someone who has a genuine interest in lolicon that wouldn't also be interested in the kind of scenarios of adult and child relationships that loli doujins are more often than not depicting.


4cb014  No.93327

>>93326

Fiction =/= reality you aspiring child rapist.


46497b  No.93328

>>93327

I never said it did, but it depicts the kinds of things that happen in reality and only people who would be interested in doing those things in reality would be interested in those things when it comes to fiction.

A man with no interest in fucking other men is not going to take an interest in yaoi doujins for example.

Thats not to say having an interest in doing something means you're going to do it, if you're fapping to rape doujins that doesn't mean you're going to go out and rape someone but it does mean you have a sexual interest in rape whether you want to admit it or not.


4cb014  No.93329

>>93328

> only people who would be interested in doing those things in reality would be interested in those things when it comes to fiction.

Yes. People who play Mortal Kombat want to rip people's spines out and destroy their balls.


000000  No.93330

>>93324

You're thinking too much about minds there.

An AI does not think like a human being at all. It might be able to fool you that it can, much like a psychopath can fool you into thinking they can feel empathy, but that isn't the same thing.

An advanced enough AI could probably do a better job of giving you what you want than an actual child would.


4cb014  No.93331

File: a0c19f6673678fe⋯.jpg (296.11 KB, 1280x1841, 1280:1841, jägermeister_monster_loli.jpg)

>>93330

>An AI does not think like a human being at all.

What if we're talking hypothetical sentient future AI?


46497b  No.93332

>>93329

Theres nothing taboo about having an interest in violence, thats why parents have no problems with their kids blowing peoples heads off in a video game but have a conniption if they see a titty on the TV.

Violence has such a prevalence in media because its so universally interesting to people for whatever reason and violent media is a healthy outlet for that interest in the same way porn is a healthy outlet for various sexual interests and thats why the rate of violent crimes and sex crimes have dropped as these outlets become more commonplace.


108674  No.93334

>>93328

I can understand your confusion. We're mixing two different kinds of counterfactual situations in this discussion.

>1. Pure fantasy. This is what you fap to. The lolis are 'real' children within their own world, but that world is strictly fictional.

>2. Hypothetical situations involving future technology. The lolis don't exist yet, but the events are discussed as if they will be carried out in the real world.

In #1, sadistically abusing 'real' lolis is fine. In #2 we should aim to apply the highest standard of real-world ethics because it's effectively a planning exercise.

>>93329

Nobody is claiming that lolicons are future rapists or anything.

>>93330

>An AI does not think like a human being at all

Humans are just chemical computers. There's no way to philosophically distinguish between a human mind and a sufficiently human-like AI mind. By definition qualia cannot be externally measured. The flip side of this is the concept of p-zombies.

>An advanced enough AI could probably do a better job of giving you what you want than an actual child would.

Now this I agree with. A sufficiently advanced AI would be a better roleplay partner than any human.


4cb014  No.93335

File: dcc8948583b21ae⋯.mp4 (8.62 MB, 480x480, 1:1, pool.mp4)

>>93332

Okay, then riddle me this. Why doesn't my interest in huge fuckin anime tiddies translate to an interest in real women? Why don't I like normal porn? And further, why are there a wide variety of things I like in fiction that utterly disgust me in reality? Like anything involving anal, watersports, stomach distension, etc.?


7dcaa5  No.93336

Lolis don't real, so your attraction to lolis doesn't real either.


108674  No.93337

>>93335

Not that anon. I'm just curious.

Have you never fapped to 3DPD women?


000000  No.93338

>>93335

Maybe you're a weirdo who's sexually attracted to pixels and not the idea behind them. (゜¬゜) imagine being so retarded to think all this is not related to the metaphysical idea of irl lolis, as if in a vacumm without irl lolis, these fictional lolis would exist


46497b  No.93339

File: 25bdc04b0e525e4⋯.jpg (137.71 KB, 308x539, 4:7, udderlydisgusting.jpg)

>>93335

Simply put its because you're a spoiled brat and after so long fapping to perfect sanitized idealized anime tiddies the real deal can never compare, but that doesn't change the fact that you still have an interest in big boobies and for that you have my condolences.


108674  No.93340

>>93338

In theory it's entirely possible to be exclusively attracted to 2D. The human brain is just doing pattern recognition to determine sexual arousal, so the right set of mutations could cause that part of the brain to almost perfectly distinguish between 2D art and 3D photos.

Having those exact mutations happen purely by chance is somewhat unlikely to say the least, but it's not technically impossible.


4b9619  No.93341

>>93321

I feel a yearning to kiss a loli


3e116d  No.93342

File: 16bb30db47943bb⋯.jpg (691.21 KB, 1132x1600, 283:400, Bukiyounahito_0006.jpg)

>>93341

You know anon, somewhere out there in the 2d plane, there's a loli that wants to kiss you too.


4cb014  No.93343

>>93336

t. Jaden Smith

>>93337

Back when I was a teen I tried. Never once got off. Then I discovered hentai and very quickly that became my exlusive form of erotica.

>>93342

Lucid dream and read lots of hentai. You'll be dreaming in anime and finally meet your loli.


46497b  No.93344

File: c29953e38c7f12e⋯.png (85.03 KB, 492x280, 123:70, doubt.png)

>>93343

>Back when I was a teen I tried. Never once got off


108674  No.93345

>>93343

I mean, I've never got off to anything other than one specific fetish, but I still experience feelings of attraction outside of that fetish. I can appreciate the attractive appearance of a loli even if she isn't doing fetishy things.


4cb014  No.93346

File: 8e57e7d45250c63⋯.webm (7.84 MB, 640x480, 4:3, it suddenly got a lot tig….webm)

>>93339

So then why am I turned off by realistic faces, even when they're conventionally ideal?

>>93344

It's true. In fact, I've never gotten off while conscious, but anime has always made my dick hardest. I stopped attempting masturbation in my late teens.


000000  No.93347

>>93346

I usually get turned off by realistic faces when they're ugly or uncanny.


3e116d  No.93348

File: 42cb044a38ab95e⋯.jpg (454.21 KB, 1050x1500, 7:10, 12.jpg)

>>93343

>Lucid dream and read lots of hentai. You'll be dreaming in anime and finally meet your loli.

Hmm, I don't think it's possible for me to lucid dream. I don't even remember 95% of my dreams. I think I'll stick with Hmanga.


108674  No.93349

>>93346

>So then why am I turned off by realistic faces, even when they're conventionally ideal?

I'm the same honestly. Conventionally attractive women do nothing for me. Little girls' faces are very attractive though. They're more similar to anime faces.

>I've never gotten off while conscious

Wow, okay. That does surprise me.

How are you masturbating? Are you circumcised? Have you tried using lube?


4cb014  No.93350

File: 1875a45810023e1⋯.gif (1.94 MB, 429x453, 143:151, 159_20170922222156_0.gif)

>>93348

> I don't even remember 95% of my dreams.

Neither do I. Lucid dreaming isn't necessary, but it'll speed up the process if you can do it. Also, writing down your dreams helps in general.


46497b  No.93351

>>93346

Because "conventionally ideal" these days is a middle aged celebrity woman like angelina jolie because we live in a feminized society that demonizes what men are naturally attracted to because women are jealous that mens value in the sexual marketplace just keeps going up with age where as women just keep going down.


4cb014  No.93352

File: a90c55df2df2568⋯.jpg (68.99 KB, 323x800, 323:800, a90c55df2df2568c5cefa00f67….jpg)

File: fdccbb5ee604efa⋯.jpg (73.67 KB, 579x1163, 579:1163, loli_lara_croft.jpg)

File: 3cd0206fcc57a33⋯.jpg (132.2 KB, 850x850, 1:1, sample-ce3ef590827f8aac97d….jpg)

>>93351

>Because "conventionally ideal" these days is a middle aged celebrity woman like angelina jolie

<He thinks the MSM decides what conventionally ideal is


46497b  No.93353

>>93352

The MSM is just a puppet and whats conventionally attractive has already been redefined and you don't even know it because you were born too late to know any different.

Why do you think the word "jailbait" exists? Its what used to be conventionally attractive before they made it illegal.


4cb014  No.93354

>>93353

Let me rephrase for you then. I'm turned of by the conventionally ideal realistic face of any age, since you seem to have made the assumption that I meant specifically 40 year old hags.


46497b  No.93356

>>93354

Well maybe its just another case of you being spoiled by an anime ideal that can never be matched by anything in reality.

Just look at anime noses or lack thereof for example, the only time noses are ever well defined in anime is when the character is supposed to be ugly because noses just aren't very attractive features in general, you never hear anyone say "damn look at the nose on that chick I would fuck her in a heartbeat"


4cb014  No.93358

File: d1b795a40ffa2e1⋯.png (243.83 KB, 460x458, 230:229, 343.5.png)

>>93356

I think your "spoiling" logic is shit. You can pavlovian train yourself to like almost anything sexually. You argue that I like piss in reality, I just like anime piss more, because I like piss in anime and actively disike piss in reality. I have never liked piss in reality, and it would take some strong forced association training for me to even begin liking it. Attraction to fiction is not the same as attraction to reality and does not necessitate even an ounce of the latter no matter how hard you try to conflate the two.


000000  No.93359

>>93356

Anime definitely has the best faces.

The bodies are a bit iffier, but they usually do the trick.

>>93358

I haven't had much success in training myself to like certain things sexually and I've tried pretty hard, but maybe things like age, sex, etc. are harder ones to shift.

There was a name for being sexually attracted to cartoons. Schediaphile. I don't really know how that comes about, but it could be something interesting to do research into.

I can mostly deal with clothed kids but not naked ones. They mess with my head, but it's generally not normal to see naked people prancing around, so it works out okay.


4cb014  No.93360

File: 85507cc85d1b4be⋯.jpg (108.96 KB, 662x800, 331:400, b958e0d90ffa5aff5a4d6f0c4f….jpg)

On another note about 2D =/= 3D, here's a question for the fags that say loli means 3DPD in English just because the Japs use it that way and it came from Lolita. Do you think anime means Johnny Bravo in English too?


46497b  No.93361

>>93358

If you can pavlovian train yourself to like almost anything sexually then why didn't any gay conversion clinics actually work?

I never said it was a requirement for you to like anything in reality, just that your interest in it stems from things that exist in reality and trying to separate the two as if they're in no way connected is retarded.

If for example you hated the idea of rape in real life because someone is actually being subjected to a life ruining act but found it hot in fiction you still have a sexual interest in rape you just don't like the consequences that come with it in real life, but that doesn't change the fact that you're into it.

Anyway I'd love to argue about your sick fetishes all night but theres more to life than arguing on the internet unfortunately so I'm going to fuck off.


3e116d  No.93362

>>93360

I don't have a dog in this fight but Johnny Bravo would not be referred to as an anime in the western world because westerners have decided that anime means japan-style animation.


000000  No.93363

i don't understand why some 2d fags identify themselves as 2d purists. 3d is the same as 2d, it just adds a extra dimension of reality, but there's really no difference in the end, they're all fake.


b4726e  No.93364

>>93363

They have a mental illness called "weaboo"


426118  No.93365

>>93363

In this context 3D means real kids, and the reason they identify as they do is because they are unable to cope with being pedophiles in a societal context that discourages the pursuit of entirely healthy and natural sexual orientations like pedosexuality.


b4726e  No.93366

>>93365

>entirely healthy and natural sexual orientations like pedosexuality

Is this ironic?


000000  No.93367

>>93365

I agree that it is healthy and natural.

In an older era, it might have turned the tides of survival as it allowed women to breed sooner, but those pressures don't really exist today and there are a number of reasons why it can harmful in today's society.

This is just the card that we have been dealt by mother nature, it's not right or wrong, it just is. Mother nature is ruthlessly efficient in achieving her goals.


b4726e  No.93368

>>93367

>it might have turned the tides of survival as it allowed women to breed sooner

Anon this might be shocking to you but 8 year olds can't breed


426118  No.93369

>>93366

No, you're just a male feminist midget nigger with a male feminist midget nigger's woefully retarded view of the world. You probably prefer the socially acceptable gay mutilated tranny relationships because you don't get bad goy points for them like heterosexual pedophilia.


000000  No.93371

>>93368

They actually can, it just depends on which one it is. Even five year olds can, but that is extremely risky.

I'll add that medically pedophilia goes from 5 to 12 (below that is nepiophilia), 13 on rare occasions. Are you saying they all can't procreate?


000000  No.93372

>>93371

I know a few people who entered puberty as early as nine, not quite eight, but a number of people enter it there too. It's more common than you would think, especially nowadays.


779705  No.93373

>>93371

>>93372

You're describing freaks of nature you fucking retard. Puberty isn't supposed to start at fucking 5, and it almost never does


b3ab5b  No.93375

>>93367

>>93372

I hope you're not serious with this. Sure, some 8‐year‐olds can get pregnant, but it is severly damaging to their body.

It's definitely not meant to happen and it was never commonplace.


000000  No.93376

>>93375

Well, it was never really about the 8 year olds (the age range goes higher than that), until an idiot automatically assumed I was talking about them, so I made a little point to mess with him.


108674  No.93377

>>93365

>entirely healthy and natural sexual orientations like pedosexuality

There's nothing wrong with being a pedosexual, but there certainly is quite a lot wrong with doing anything involving real children.

Even if we assume that sex itself doesn't cause any harm, there's still an enormous risk of harm from the way society reacts to it. The child will grow up knowing that she's been involved in something 'bad' and she'll blame herself. If police get involved she could be taken away from her family. Any therapists she visits will make sure she feels deeply traumatized about the whole thing. One way or another she'll probably end up with some pretty nasty psychological scars.

It's deeply unethical to take that kind of risk with a child's life no matter how "natural" you claim it is.

Anyway, the "pedo" preffix normally refers to pre-pubescent kids. You'd be better off calling yourself an hebesexual.


b3ab5b  No.93379

So for anyone who still cares about the actual point of this thread there are now problems with the domain as well.

If it doesn't clear up relatively soon ATF may get a new domain when it comes back.


4cb014  No.93380

>>93361

>then why didn't any gay conversion clinics actually work?

I don't know their methods.

>If for example you hated the idea of rape in real life because someone is actually being subjected to a life ruining act but found it hot in fiction you still have a sexual interest in rape you just don't like the consequences that come with it in real life, but that doesn't change the fact that you're into it.

That's just saying you actually do like X in reality, you just wouldn't go out and do it because of the consequences.

>>I never said it was a requirement for you to like anything in reality

See above.

>Anyway I'd love to argue about your sick fetishes all night but theres more to life than arguing on the internet unfortunately so I'm going to fuck off.

I meant to say I was going to sleep as well in the last post, but I was too tired and forgot.

>>93365

>entirely healthy and natural sexual orientations like pedosexuality.

No. Sexual attraction to girls that have yet to develop any secondary sex characteristics is entirely abnormal. And it is definitely unhealthy due the fact that they aren't ready for babies, leading to a very high risk of complications during birth. Also, they're too small for dicks and just fucking them at all could damage their insides. You might have a point if you were talking about hebephilia.


000000  No.93381

>>93379

What do you mean? Is their Domain register also removing them?


b3ab5b  No.93382

>>93381

It's claiming that the domain expired, which it definitely did not. It's not very willing to cooperate either.


000000  No.93383

>>93382

As long as a different register has .ninja it should be easy to get the same name right? If not I don't know if you're able to transfer a expired domain to a new register so you can re-register it with them without having to worry if you're not able to register it while it is in some sort of honeymoon state.


426118  No.93385

>>93377

>Implying I'm not including prepubescent kids

Pedosexual it is.

>>93380

There is absolutely no requirement in theoretical practice of adult-child relationships to impregnate a girl prematurely or penetrate them at all. Yes.


4cb014  No.93391

File: 42c2531ea74a5de⋯.jpg (248.41 KB, 691x1500, 691:1500, 6e3ddb33ad6cd7399ff20838f0….jpg)

>>93385

>There is absolutely no requirement in theoretical practice of adult-child relationships to impregnate a girl prematurely or penetrate them at all.

Oh yeah. And we're just supposed to trust that pedos aren't doing "bad touch", only "good touch" when the fiddle kids. Fuck off pro-contact nigger.


426118  No.93393

>>93391

Pedophiles love kids and do not want to hurt them. If you would hurt a kid, you aren't a pedophile by definition. You're a rapist.

>Fuck off

No

>nigger

Noproject pls lil brown boy.


88bbd9  No.93394

>>93393

You hurt them when you rob them of their innocence


426118  No.93395

>>93394

Cringe


000000  No.93396

>>93394

So I guess them growing up also hurts them (〃 ̄ω ̄〃ゞ . Innocence is stolen when forced to do acts they don't want to, to survive. Such as prostitution and being in the care of someone who actively harms you physically and emotionally, there are pedo's that done that, but to say that there is no other situation is short sighted and retarded like you, retard.


000000  No.93398

>>93380

Conversion clinics work by trying to brainwash you into thinking you're fucked up for feeling that way and to associate everything you're attracted to with pain.

Ironically, this actually increases the chances of someone doing exactly what you don't want to in the case of pedophilia as it turns someone who would otherwise would have been stable like the other countless millions of pedophiles in the U.S. alone into someone who is extremely *unstable*.

And as for procreating, just pick someone who looks young, isn't that what the "technically legal" crowd does today but with a higher age? It should go without saying that adult-minor (this includes the hebes) sexual relationships should never happen today for a number of reasons.


426118  No.93399

>>93398

>It should go without saying because I have no argument for the maintaining of the status quo


000000  No.93400

>>93393

It depends on the pedophile, but plenty get by without raping kids.

The media is sensationalist, so even if 0.1% or 0.01% do something asininely stupid or a single deranged freak in some random town decides to do something fucked up, then they will naturally paint it as if the entire group is a smoldering disaster.

>>93399

Psychological damage, physical damage, emotional damage (in one case, they were depressed precisely because their lover got dragged to prison for the rest of their life and they saw it as their fault), invading their boundaries.

Children are extremely vulnerable and no one wants to take the slightest chance that something might go wrong. Even if it is a non-sexual relationship, one thing might lead to another. And it will become far easier for someone to cover up abuse, something I think just about all of us can agree on as being absolutely terrible.


000000  No.93401

>>93382

There are some registrars which are willing to handle far sketchier things than loli sites (they probably wouldn't bat an eye, if you were hosting NAMBLA or hackers), but this one probably got scared.


000000  No.93402

>>93401

Created on 2015-03-20

Expires on 2020-03-20

Updated on 2019-07-09

Expires in 2020, maybe complain to whoever operates .ninja or ICANN? Or try to poke the registrar?


108674  No.93403

>>93393

You're willing to risk a child's happiness for your own sexual gratification.

>>93399

see >>93377


88bbd9  No.93404

>>93403

>You're willing to risk a child's happiness for your own sexual gratification.

Exactly, they all are. Like I pointed out earlier in the thread pro-contact is essentially just selfishness without concern for the harm caused to the molested children, all its arguments are focused on the singular goal of justifying the molester. That's something you have to keep in mind when engaging these people, and you can't let them trick you into losing sight of their real purpose. They can go on and on about the pleasure a child can experience, or the consent they can give, but you have to remind yourself "oh yeah, in reality this subhuman couldn't possibly care less". In fact that anon in particular basically admitted as much in this post >>93006

>even if they couldn't it would make no logical sense to disallow contact along those lines


4cb014  No.93405

File: 602deddcb744d92⋯.png (347.51 KB, 586x586, 1:1, ISQUIGGYDIGGY.png)

>>93393

>Pedophiles love kids and do not want to hurt them.

>>93398

>and to associate everything you're attracted to with pain.

Now see, that'll just make them masochistic. Their method is flawed. You must associate the attraction X with a something Y that disgusts you more than X attracts you so that Y affects your perception of X more than X does your perception of Y.


000000  No.93406

>>93404

The ironic thing is that when a female pedophile (yes, they do exist, society only likes to pretend they don't) molests or rapes a child (statutory rape), it is treated as if it were a loving relationship in the media and they put a focus on how depressed the child was to have been dragged away from their lover.

If a man does it, it is "obviously" a violent affair, this goes back to the whole "all men are rapists" line of logic.

There are different shades of it (and I would be suspicious of anyone who completely dismisses concerns out of hand), but judging by the numerous stories of those who have in-fact been molested, it really isn't worth allowing such relationships.

And for the love of all that is good, treat the two the same in the media.


4cb014  No.93407

File: 580f79d5fe0a343⋯.jpg (178.11 KB, 400x800, 1:2, d4acea4e64171cc3834a0ac3b2….jpg)

>>93406

>If a man does it, it is "obviously" a violent affair, this goes back to the whole "all men are rapists" line of logic.

A boy having regular intercourse doesn't come to any kind of physical harm necessarily and doesn't lose anything tangible. A girl having regular intercourse is harmed, varying by the type of hymen, when she loses her virginity. This is one of the unspoken reasons behind people taking a softer stance on female pedophiles.


1732d5  No.93408

>>93404

>but you have to remind yourself "oh yeah, in reality this subhuman couldn't possibly care less"

Yeah make sure to remember to constantly poison the well against your opposition so even if they might say something that makes sense it falls on deaf ears.

I don't get how you could not understand that these things have a potential to harm regardless of your age and that never stops anyone from taking the risk. The first person I ever loved is still in the forefront of my mind constantly like a scar on my soul even though we've been apart for over a decade now and we were both adults when we met. That relationship ending has left irreversible damage to my psyche that I'll have to carry with me for the rest of my life wondering what could have been had things gone differently. Should this potential for harm be a justification for never allowing anyone to pursue a relationship to begin with?


4cb014  No.93409

File: 28e29f81412fc03⋯.jpg (164.7 KB, 850x1134, 425:567, ccf79c5b46ef44dee42b2e2fab….jpg)

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>>93408

>Should this potential for harm be a justification for never allowing anyone to pursue a relationship to begin with?

>we were both adults when we met.

If you're too emotionally fragile to handle a relationship you chose to partake in by the age of 18, that's your own fault and problem nigger. With kids, it's not their fault because they've yet to have as much opportunity as adults to gain experience in life, just like how the law gives them a slap on the wrist for most offences.


000000  No.93410

>>93407

A boy may still get irreparably harmed, just like any girl might, if he is molested. If he has sex, it won't cause as much damage as you pointed out, but it will still cause psychological damage.

Quite a few victims have spoken out about this in a number of places and their frustration about the system not taking them seriously and almost trying to wave the problem away when a female offender is involved.

As for one case, the media painted it as if she was the victim and almost worded it as if the parents were the ones being unreasonable for calling the police after they caught her and calling for a tougher sentence when they gave her the lightest sentence they could get away with.

See the problem here?


4cb014  No.93411

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File: 95236b8306f4d09⋯.jpg (129.67 KB, 1000x1414, 500:707, lavenza6.jpg)

>>93410

>A boy may still get irreparably harmed

Absolutely true, and the double standard is appalling, but it isn't entirely without reason. Never said it was a good reason.


1732d5  No.93412

>>93409

>If you're too emotionally fragile to handle a relationship you chose to partake in by the age of 18, that's your own fault and problem nigger.

Says the weeaboo who can't stand the sight of women and hasn't cared for someone in that way in their entire life, what do you know?


f2d80c  No.93413

>>93412

It doesn't help when one simply can't get emotionally attached to someone due to past trauma with women like the one I have.


1732d5  No.93414

>>93413

Clearly thats your own fault for being too emotionally fragile right?


f2d80c  No.93415

>>93414

Absolutely no. I didn't ask to be psychologically traumatized by women in my childhood. Don't be so fucking numb.


f2d80c  No.93416

>be me

>Lil 6yo boy

>Gets falsely accused of lifting older girl's skirts

>Gets sexually abused by older, stronger boys

>Gets shamed for both things

>Doesn't get proper psychology treatment because family is poor

>Can't get along well with girls in middle and high school because of that

>Gets bullied his entire school life

>Doesn't manage to acquire and maintain stable loving relationship with any girl

How the fuck am I supposed to turn out?


1732d5  No.93417

>>93415

I was just sarcastically using the other anons argument to illustrate how terrible it was and that blaming someone for their "emotional fragility" without having any experience in the subject themselves just makes you look like a fucking idiot.


000000  No.93418

>>93416

You forgot a part

>turns out gay and a faggot


33b9c6  No.93419

So what's the state on ATF? Is there something going on with getting its servers online?


1732d5  No.93420

>>93419

They're probably going to have to get a new domain because of some more bullshit.


f2d80c  No.93421

>>93418

It would have happened if I didn't get simply grossed out by men. They do look beautiful and such but I simply don't feel a single drop of attraction for them.


000000  No.93422

The recent talk about losing of the domain brings a interesting question. What should ATF rebrand/rename as if AllTheFallen isn't avaible?

My vote goes towards "AdolfsThankfullFriends"


33b9c6  No.93423

>>93420

How's that going to affect a tab from the site you still have open? Are they going to be able to redirect to the same thread on the new domain?


1732d5  No.93424

>>93423

Pretty sure they'd have to get ownership over the old domain in order to make it redirect like with 8chan.co.


88bbd9  No.93425

>>93406

>The ironic thing is that when a female pedophile (yes, they do exist, society only likes to pretend they don't) molests or rapes a child (statutory rape), it is treated as if it were a loving relationship in the media and they put a focus on how depressed the child was to have been dragged away from their lover.

This isn't true at all. Maybe this was the case 10 or 20 years ago but today female pedophiles are acknowledged and they do not receive sympathy.

>>93408

>Should this potential for harm be a justification for never allowing anyone to pursue a relationship to begin with?

Harm is certain in an adult-child relationship. If the child is not harmed as conventionally viewed by (((modern))) society, then the reason is because they have suffered even more mental damage, because they have become sex perverts. They're not just abuse victims, they themselves become subhumans too. Here is my question: why are children not entitled to a childhood? Why do they not have the right to grow up?


366ded  No.93427

Is LAH (Little Angels Hentai) the only other loli community besides ATF (now defunct)? If so, how does LAH compare and contrast to ATF?

I looked over the rules at LAH and I can see that one big difference between LAH and ATF is that LAH doesn't allow discussions of pedophilia/pedosexuality and also doesn't allow discussion of child pornography. The fact that LAH doesn't allow either (whereas ATF was explicity pedo-friendly) should rectify the criticisms many of the idiots in this thread had about ATF.


366ded  No.93428

>>93425

Your post assumes that I would allow you to define "perversity", let alone care what you define as "perversion". It also assumes that I agree with your definition that "perverts/degenerates" are "subhuman". I'm not concerned with perversity or degeneracy, as these are worthless terms made to villify sexuality. Furthermore, I sure as hell don't agree that pedophiles are "subhuman". I also don't agree that if child sexuality is mental "damage" or mental illness.


366ded  No.93429

>>93427

Lolicit also exists. I should have said, how does LAH and Lolicit compare/contrast to ATF and also to each other?


000000  No.93430

>>93427

lolicit counts too but they are retards who've got something good going for themselves. On the LAH community, there was a admin from there that kept sperging out about pedo debate and artist debate in the ATF forum. The dude just would not stop.


88bbd9  No.93431

>>93428

And your post assumes that I would grant any validity to your modernist liberal worldview with all its exaltation of depravity, degeneracy and all around decadency and view you as an equal, instead of acknowledging you for the enemy of civilization that you are fitting only to be tossed in an oven.


4cb014  No.93432

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File: eed33193578a0db⋯.gif (182.17 KB, 543x716, 543:716, Roll 0045 talking by_inou_….gif)

>>93412

Enough not to put myself in that situation. You made choices in your adult life that led to your problem.

>>93428

Answer his question.


4cb014  No.93433

File: ce2dc42f4d5ad7d⋯.png (139.62 KB, 501x298, 501:298, 36.png)

>>93432

I just realized the loli with Roll in that edited gif doesn't have tanlines to match the gif.


cb4cd8  No.93434

>>93425

> then the reason is because they have suffered even more mental damage, because they have become sex perverts

Just interjecting here, but this would mean that all non adult involved child sexual exploration must be stopped as well lest they become perverted. Correct?


000000  No.93435

>>93427

Pedophiles are everywhere in just about every loli community.

Pro-contact, anti-contact, the lot. It's just ATF doesn't pretend they're not there for PR purposes, as if the media doesn't already assume that we're just sharing CP just because we look at lolicon. (ATF doesn't even allow pictures of children as memes, let alone CP).

Seriously, in quite a few loli communities, people sometimes ask who's a pedophile or who's a map or w/e and countless people will just appear and say me, me, me, me.

And for the record, pedophiles are not subhuman or able to control themselves. It is just a few who give the rest a bad rap. And people can debate whatever they want, as-long as they don't encourage people to go out and have relationships with kids.

And ATF for the most part sections off pedo talk, so if someone doesn't like that, then just don't go into the section with it. Sometimes, there are slips, but that's often due to "non-pedophiles" deciding to have discussions about pedophilia or CP.


88bbd9  No.93436

>>93434

Yes absolutely, and all unrestricted sexuality should be abolished, sexual liberation must be overturned.


4cb014  No.93437

>>93434

>Just interjecting here, but this would mean that all non adult involved child sexual exploration must be stopped as well lest they become perverted.

Parents used to at least attempt this. Nowadays degeneracy is chic.

>pedophiles are not subhuman or able to control themselves.

Which is why they belong in a mental institution or in the ground.


cb4cd8  No.93438

>>93436

Wouldn't stopping natural exploration cause undue mental stress by causing them to believe that their body is "sinful" leading to a poor self image?


000000  No.93439

>>93435

>relationships with kids

Or other things that are illegal like looking at CP.

>>93437

I made a typo. I meant to say unable x.x


cb4cd8  No.93440

>>93437

>Parents used to at least attempt this. Nowadays degeneracy is chic.

So it's better to stop things like masturbation than it is to help people be more comfortable with themselves? To create body image issues that are less harmful?


366ded  No.93441

>>93431

My post didn't assume anything, you just didn't like it because it questioned the very foundation of your post. My post didn't assume, it questioned. As for your further statement about people being tossed into the oven, it's clear I don't care what you have to say. You discredit yourself and ought to be ignored.

>>93437

>>93436

I think it's you who belongs in the ground or in the oven. Popping up here to to tell me who you think deserves to die is meaningless. It just goes to show how fucking stupid you are.

>>93435

I wasn't asking about pedophiles or where they hang out or what you think of them.

Stop talking about pedophilia/pedophiles for a goddamn minute. Stop obsessing over it.

I am asking about what the comparisons/contrasts of LAH and Lolicit are to ATF and each other. If you guys were going to join LAH or Lolicit, not saying you are, which would you choose and why?

That's what I am asking about. ATF may be gone forever, so where do we go from here?

Do we go to LAH, Lolicit or neither?


4cb014  No.93442

>>93438

>>93440

That's a pro-sexual liberation meme by the media to show conservatives Christians as a villain. Parents can handle the situation in more nuanced ways then just "Promiscuity and depravity are fine" or "Your urges are eeeeevil and you're evil for having them".


000000  No.93443

>>93441

>If you guys were going to join LAH or Lolicit

Niether, I trust and like the people at ATF and believe that both LAH and Lolicit have their great faults that make them not worth going to. I'd say 8ch would be the only loli forum I would visit anymore if ATF is gone for ever (It's not going to be)


cb4cd8  No.93444

>>93442

This happens to people who have nothing to do with Christianss though. It's common that these kinds of things are not handed well and end up causing undue stress. I used the word sinful not to bring up ideas of churches but just because it fits.


000000  No.93445

>>93442

If anything devout religious people would be marrying their children off to older men.


4cb014  No.93446

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>>93425

>Here is my question: why are children not entitled to a childhood? Why do they not have the right to grow up?

Since no is answering this, I will. It's because pedos will use any kind of pilpul at their disposal to justify kiddie fiddling.


000000  No.93447

>>93441

I don't mind not talking about it if people stop saying I should die for something I'm never going to do to begin with.

ATF? It will probably be back sooner or later, as they've already gotten a new server, they just need a new domain or to get the registrar to give them access to the one they paid for.

They could theoretically buy a new domain right now and redirect it to the old one, if they ever get access to it back. I'm not sure what their plan of action is exactly, but I don't think it would be that far off from now.


cb4cd8  No.93448

>>93446

Sexual exploration is a part of growing up, not with adults but at least by ones self or maybe a close friend.


4cb014  No.93449

File: 6ac59bce64db05e⋯.png (404.9 KB, 660x768, 55:64, nonon smug.png)

>>93448

Yeah, no. No prebuscent kid should be trying anal with their friends.


000000  No.93450

>>93446

I've yet to see any pedo in this thread talk about Kiddie lovin as a way to make humans to benefit more to kiddie fuggin, and through use of selective pressure the ones who don't handle it , don't mate and therefore are rectified from the human gene pool. Creating a future human race that benefits from younger looking females, leading to cutier and more trad livestyles which is healthy. God save all the thots that must go through corrective rape camp.


cb4cd8  No.93451

>>93449

Why do you jump to anal? I'm talking about simple touching, maybe "show me yours I'll show you mine", you jump right into the more perverse sex acts, why is that?


000000  No.93452

>>93451

Who knows, kids these days skip the foreplay.


000000  No.93453

>>93442

My parents didn't really particularly care if I looked at porn when I was young (hentai), many likely don't. It's only the government and the "child protection charities" who care about that, no one else gives a damn.

Kids really shouldn't be having sex with each other, I dunno about touching.

There shouldn't be an adult in the picture at all there.


4cb014  No.93454

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>>93450

>I've yet to see any pedo in this thread talk about Kiddie lovin as a way to make humans

They have.

>to benefit more to kiddie fuggin

What? You've lost me here. I wasn't discussing pedos having children, with kids or otherwise, as a way to have more kids to fiddle. I don't think anyone was.

>>93451

>I'm talking about simple touching

And how do you know that's all they're doing? Are watching your kids fuck and jumping into the room when they start fiddling eachother the wrong way? How do you to plan to prevent such early onset sexual degeneracy without simply keeping them from fucking?


cb4cd8  No.93455

>>93452

I doubt that unless they saw it somewhere first. The more natural thing is curiosity of others bodies and your own and how they differ, which may lead to touching but not out right sex acts.


cb4cd8  No.93456

>>93454

> Are watching your kids fuck a

They should not know how, why would you think they do?


000000  No.93457

>>93454

>You've lost me here.

Okay retard let me make it more simple. In the same way you use selective breeding to make sure the next field of crop produces more corn, you fuck all the kids, and the ones who aren't fucked up continue to lead good lives and reproduce, the ones that don't benefit and or suffer from it, will not reproduce the next generation.


000000  No.93458

>>93457

That is a little too cold-blooded.


000000  No.93459

>>93458

Clearly you will be one of the first to go on day of the rape.


4cb014  No.93460

>>93456

>They should not know how

They'll fucking figure it out. Doesn't take long. When I was a kid my parents and a girl's parents left us unsupervised together and we tried to fuck in the closet. I tried to stick it in the girl's butt out of sheer curiosity. I couldn't even get hard yet, luckily.

>>93457

So you're saying you'll breed the trauma out of them by sacrificing a bunch of kids futures? That fucked up, and probably not how it would work in practice anyways. It's also not what I or anyone else was talking about, which is you lost me. You disgusting psychopath.


4cb014  No.93461

File: 38657da4385bb20⋯.jpg (55.63 KB, 413x570, 413:570, 1447020572590.jpg)

>>93459

10/10


000000  No.93462

>>93457

That won't stop them breeding either, they will simply grow up all depressed, if they're one of the ones to suffer from it.


cb4cd8  No.93463

>>93460

> When I was a kid

Oh noes, I bet your a broken person now, a full on sexual pervert, due to such an unsupervised event. How do you even live each day? What kind of sex deviant tries to put it in the butt with no prior knowledge?


4cb014  No.93464

>>93463

>I bet your a broken person now, a full on sexual pervert

You're not wrong.

>What kind of sex deviant tries to put it in the butt with no prior knowledge?

One who doesn't know any better because he shouldn't be allowed to put it anything at that age.


000000  No.93465

>>93462

Depression/higher drug use/extreme anxiety are all factors that makes a person less likely to reproduce, in order for us to see results, it must be a multi generational program in order to see results. One you have to consider that if 1% of them benefit from getting fucked early, it will take a long time for that 1% to reach 100% through use of selective pressure. but radical changes in pyschology can happen from 7-10 generations example domestication of animals.

>>93460

Read a book, nigger.


4cb014  No.93466

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>>93465

>Read a book, nigger.

Educate urself. :^)


cb4cd8  No.93467

>>93464

I somehow doubt that moment is what made you who you are today.

And telling you not to would have prevented it? Or would you have needed 24/7 supervision? Being allowed or not doesn't stop much at that age.


c0904f  No.93468

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File: a35e75d523c8c30⋯.png (5.28 MB, 2205x3351, 735:1117, Cat_011.png)


4cb014  No.93469

File: e4400bf284689d4⋯.jpg (50.49 KB, 600x800, 3:4, 00.jpg)

>>93467

>And telling you not to would have prevented it?

How about not leaving boys and girls alone together for extended periods of time? There's a reason sleepovers have been traditionally all boys or all girls. Sure, fags happen sometimes, but that was rare.


cb4cd8  No.93470

I>>93469

>Sure, fags happen sometimes, but that was rare.

It's actually quite common for same sex exploration, usually in the form of silly games like rubbing butts on each other or mooning each other and more. You being alone with a boy could have had the same outcome easily.


4cb014  No.93471

File: 24d51590823e53b⋯.jpg (98.13 KB, 662x800, 331:400, 18.jpg)

>>93470

Only if exposure to porn is involved. Natural faggotry is rare.


c0904f  No.93472

>>93332

>Theres nothing taboo about having an interest in violence, thats why parents have no problems with their kids blowing peoples heads off in a video game

dude, do you live with nigger parents? That's something like nigger parents do. why the fuck you would let your kids playing mortal kombat? why would you want to show your children people chopping off heads?

Real parents will never allow their children seeing violence, that also applies to porn as well, unless you are nigger or mudslime who have no problem slicing heads and want your children to follow the same.


cb4cd8  No.93473

>>93471

I don't mean gays, many straight people have told stories of gay experiences when they were young and never felt any strong attraction for the same sex after.


cb4cd8  No.93474

>>93472

>Real parents will never allow their children seeing violence

Actually it would be better to see some violence with the parent explaining the rights and wrongs of it. Kids will experience violence from other kids, so it's a good idea that they know the correct way to handle it. Not saying to just let them watch NC-17 shows and play M games, but not to hide them from everything that could be violent.


366ded  No.93475

We can't even have an ATF thread (less than 1% of this thread is even about ATF) without people coming out of the woodworks to tell me (as I care) how much they hate pedophiles and how this and this group should be genocided/burned to death/etc.

The shitposting never ends.

Random shitposters like >>93446 think they are entitled to responses of a completely off-topic discussion they won't shut the fuck up about.

You shitpost, you aren't entitled to a response. You're entitled to those crematoriums you want to burn pedophiles in. That's what you are entitled to.


4cb014  No.93476

File: 478ce9b761c28c1⋯.jpg (74.29 KB, 530x450, 53:45, holy_lolibaba.jpg)

>>93475

No one is stopping you from posting about ATF.

>people coming out of the woodworks to tell me (as I care) how much they hate pedophiles

This started because someone said ATF users advocate relationships with real children. And he's from ATF. He went on to promote lolicon/pedophile solidarity and and has expressed that he is anti-CP.

Also, you complained of no one posting content. I'm one of the few in this thread that is. You haven't posted a single loli, and this is the fourth time you've posted just to complain about others posting in a thread you're hardly participating in.


c0904f  No.93477

>>93474

that takes some time until children turn into 14, in which they have enough mentality to face reality. my main point is that parents should really never show violence until their children turn into teenagers. and you know what? parents avoiding teaching their children about sexuality have turn them into whores.


000000  No.93479

>>93429

i tried to join Lolicit because I knew nothing about it, but they block TOR and disposable email addresses. i read the mods are very controlling and ban users for no reason at all. it sounds like the typical warez shithole to me, a bunch of elitists keeping everyone else out. take my advice and avoid this place.


cb4cd8  No.93480

>>93477

>parents should really never show violence until their children turn into teenagers.

There isn't some age number where you "face reality", you need to be instilled this stuff while growing so you have a proper understanding instead. You seem to thing you can avoid all violence but you can't kids will bully kids at school, fights will break out, and your kid needs to know that it's not the best choice to participate in these things. Not all violence is people using guns or killing or stabbing or what not. The world isn't going to stop just so your kid can stay an innocent (read; sheltered) until the age you feel comfortable dealing with these things.


000000  No.93481

>>93479

I don't go on on any site even vaguely related to lolis without Tor. I don't think anything would come of it as it isn't real or anything, but there's no need to tempt fate.


6472af  No.93484

>>93476

Yes, that person was me. If I knew that my off-hand remark would result in this utter shitfest of a thread I would have never ever made it.

>This started because someone said ATF users advocate relationships with real children.

You got something mixed up there. My comment was actually about people from Sankaku Complex, not ATF advocating relationships with real children.


6472af  No.93485

>>93484

Goddamnit, my ID changed again.


c97b57  No.93499

>>93480

where do you draw a line about violence? I'm talking about shooting and beheading people. If you talk about bullying then that's mild violence. I'm responding to a nigger saying he's fine showing children about torture, shooting, beheading but god forbid if children see a nipple. Don't lump all violence as a same thing. Children can handle a little bit violence, but they don't have mentality to face gruesome violence.


cb4cd8  No.93501

>>93499

>Don't lump all violence as a same thing. Children can handle a little bit violence

I'm not but you did first with "Real parents will never allow their children seeing violence" instead of better quantifying what kind of violence. I was just going based on that. Always be clear when having conversations if you can help it.


c97b57  No.93502

File: c92c231a837d063⋯.gif (1.11 MB, 600x325, 24:13, UchinoMusumenoTame-Episode….gif)

>>93501

well, sometimes I don't consider bullying as violent things, maybe because I watch too much liveleak. Well you're right, I worded it poorly. At least you get my point.


1732d5  No.93507

>>93475

Blame the BO for locking the thread that was actually made for this topic in the first place, the userbase is going to discuss what it wants to discuss regardless of hotpocketeers trying to censor certain topics so this thread just ended up being hijacked instead.


2b57e4  No.93508

>>93425

>This isn't true at all.

I'm not going to defend the pedos but you're full of shit, the female pedos almost always get a little slap on the wrist compared to the male ones. This is true for most crimes, but it's most prominent here. Both of them should suffer equally severe punishment and be taken equally seriously but that's just not the reality of it.


c48a10  No.93509

>>93425

>harm is certain in an adult-child relationship.

this statement is true if the adult is a nigger.

see >>93101

it's sad that relationship nowadays means you already have sex with your partner.

>why are children not entitled to a childhood? If the child is not harmed as conventionally viewed by (((modern))) society

funny how you use brackets while you realize giving freedom to children turn them into whores or soyboys.


4cb014  No.93511

File: dc7f037f24080ee⋯.jpg (193.41 KB, 1200x1600, 3:4, 13.jpg)

>>93484

>My comment was actually about people from Sankaku Complex, not ATF

Gomenasai.


39940c  No.93512

File: 7dd52d03fad49b5⋯.jpeg (948.2 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, 8dc76bd59b71c189aa0f91f8a….jpeg)

This thread has been more active than any other thread on this board for the past year if not more. Does it mean there's not much to discuss about loli apart from pedophilia and it's relation to lolicon? Certainly seems like it.


150601  No.93515

>>93512

Well lolicon is prdophilia


150601  No.93516

>>93515

pedophilia*


366ded  No.93517

>>93512

No, it doesn't mean that. There were false accusations made about ATF that have no basis in reality and this segued into an opportunity for trolls and shitposters to take over. Emboldened by the fact that mods don't do anything and don't ban them permanently. So now it's just extremist nutcases who ramble on about genocide and how there is no difference (according to them) between lolicon and pedophilia. Since they are idiots who love the smell of their own shit, they don't make good trolls.


ca1dbd  No.93518

>>92947

All I see when looking at your posts is whining and bitching, wahh ATF this ATF that, do what the rest of us doing, waiting and shit talking to fill the time.

So shut the fuck up, lurk and wait for ATF to come back and then finally you can piss off and go back to shitty roleplay threads on ATF.

Also yes there is a difference that's been said why countless times. And just because someone says something you disagree with doesn't mean they're a troll. that's feminist logic you reddit-fag. Burn in hell you legit pedophile (lolicons are okay though since they don't want to molest real kids unlike fucks like you).


eeeedb  No.93519

Is there a site RIP? I was going to model my fo4 install, but since theres no website to get mods from…


6472af  No.93520

>>93519

Just be patient. The site will be back.


4cb014  No.93521

File: d5aa8a5a0e2736f⋯.png (19.11 KB, 300x600, 1:2, 968.png)

>>93512

Such is the fate of fetish boards.


426118  No.93522

>>93517

>false accusations

It's not an accusation to say that ATF has pro-contact pedos on it but a statement of fact.


6472af  No.93524

>>93522

They may exist, but there aren't that many of them. The community at large disavows of pro-contacters.

And there was also an accusation that real child porn was hosted on ATF.


000000  No.93525

>>93512

The difference between a casual looking at lolicon and a pedophile looking at lolicon is that a pedophile actually needs it.

I think a lot of the people who do look at it are kids who are probably outgrowing it and don't want to be associated with pedophilia, so they leave.

It's harder for new people to get into it too, as all sorts of laws are being passed against it and the large imageboards are purging the content.

>>93522

They've mostly been quiet tbh.

The last time they tried making a few posts to "advocate" for it was two years ago, a couple of people tried making a few what if scenarios where it might be possible recently, but they were completely absurd.

They mostly just talk about cute lolis.


4cb014  No.93526

File: 21cb98cef0bbcb8⋯.mp4 (11.27 MB, 1024x1024, 1:1, elf_as109.mp4)

>>93525

>a pedophile actually needs it.

So are you saying that since only approximately 44% of my hentai is loli instead of most or all of it, I don't count as a pedophile under the lolicon = pedophile logic since I don't need it and enjoy plenty of non-loli hentai?


000000  No.93527

>>93524

To the SJWs, most likely lolicon === child porn and pedophiles === child porn.

They're strict af, they even go through people's private messages, just so they *don't* get accused of that, but people do it anyway because they want something to hate.

>>93526

Generally speaking, yes although the media treats anyone attracted to someone under 18 as a pedophile because the media is dumb.

There are a couple of new definitions which are being rolled out by psychiatrists. Exclusive pedophiles are only attracted to children. Non-exclusive pedophiles are attracted to both children and adults.


4cb014  No.93528

File: 0ccc8d1d9ac4221⋯.webm (1.14 MB, 1050x1050, 1:1, tablet.webm)

>>93527

>===

==*


426118  No.93544

>>93524

There are plenty and it absolutely does not disavow them at anything below a mod level (mods being worthless spoken-over cucks on every board that has ever existed btw)

>>93525

You've got no idea what you're talking about, shut up.


1480be  No.93545

any estimate when the site will be back in some form or another?


88bbd9  No.93546

>>93526

>only 44% of my porn is kids so I'm not a pedophile

>only 44% of my porn is dudes so I'm not gay


4cb014  No.93547

>>93546

That's his logic, not mine.


4cb014  No.93548

File: 7ed9713287a5cd9⋯.jpg (124.8 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 969.jpg)

>>93546

>only 44% of my porn is dudes so I'm not gay

Wait a second. This statement makes sense. That would make you bi.


dfc1af  No.93550

Any update?


000000  No.93551

>>93550

The ATF Militia is Training and Recruiting new martyrs for the spread of loliconism. The admins are asking you to meet up at the Local ATF building front that works for the ATF community and tell the receptionist "So I just saw off the front of this barrel and you guys will kill my dog?"


000000  No.93552

>>93550

Just the thing about them having problems with the domain.

>>93544

I wonder if a couple of those people are really pro-contact or just trolls. It isn't really that active, so all it takes is a couple of trolls to mess things up.


4cb014  No.93553

File: 7ae76f2b45fe5c3⋯.jpg (108.37 KB, 450x450, 1:1, 985.jpg)

>>93552

>I wonder if a couple of those people are really pro-contact or just trolls.

You could argue the same some of the posters in this thread.


95396b  No.93555

hey there imma just be sticking here for a while since atf went down. hope they come back soon. I really liked the staff, but i need a new horny outlet


88bbd9  No.93556

>>93548

Bisexuality is a myth




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