/m/ - Mecha and Toku

They told me to start with W(Double) but I thought they meant Wizard so i watched that.

>>3430
I am so sorry.

Are you ever going to watch it again? I understand if you decide not to.

>>3430
Iv heard that said before, maybe its a more common mistake than i initially thought.

>>3466

I almost made the same mistake, but I had to double check and found out that W was referring to what I thought was Kamen Rider Double.

>>4649
>Ryuki was the OG Japanese Batman

I meant "has", sorry about the confusion

>>4649
>OOO was one of the fucking absolute greatest Rides of my life when it comes to japanese-made content… I loved every second of him and have dedicated my life to living like pants-man…(the only downside is the fact they never had cakeboss team up with the main man, Maki, the slapstick would have been wonderful)

OOO had some of the greatest cast chemistry known to man. You could tell most of the cast loved hanging around each other and they were bro as fuck. Toei Hero Next was basically the studio throwing money at them to keep that team together in some form as long as possible.

The only problem is that this tends to detract from the actual plot. The cast fell so in love with Date's actor that the character went from having a six episode arc to being there for half a series. But with Date's arc stalling Gotou couldn't really grow either and things got ridiculous from there. Since Date was also supposed to give info on Eiji's character basically Eiji had to go to standstill as well.

They had to more or less totally rewrite the entire second half of the series, cut the entire final boss(who still had some magazine info come out, and a mention in one of the movies), and cut a few minor characters like the Ridevendors just to get back on track.

In all honesty though I think it was worth it. OOO's amazing chemistry and the dynamic the actors developed basically served as the basis for Fourze's dynamic the year after and ultimatley Drive's own dynamic between Shinnouske and Kiriko. Not to mention that it's legit fun to just watch them fuck around on the screen when you stop worrying about the plot.

>>3455
I enjoyed wizard it was what I wanted from kamen rider when I started watching, a fun goofy kids show with a cool hero guy. I'm glad I watched it first it might have been hard to watch if I didn't.

>Are you ever going to watch it again?
Just finished Gaim and I really liked it my only problem with it was the episodes around 6-19 were really meh but as soon as it hit 20 it was great until the end.

>2 Month late reply
Better late than never!

>>4649
I've seen Den-o, Kiva, Decade, and W. I'm currently watching OOO. Out of the Riders I've seen Kiva is my personal favorite.

I can understand why people might not like it because of the autism but it personally makes the MC more relatable. If nothing else his dad is a badass.

>>3429
Fourze is a rather odd place to start. I guess it seems like the kind of show I'd show my sister to get her into Kamen Rider so I might see how that works out when the time comes.

Anyone else watch Kabuto and feel like Arata is actually the protagonist and Tendo is just some asshole he has to put up with?

>>5012

I think that's kinda the point.

Tendou is just a flat character who gives no fucks and knows exactly what he wants to do.

Kagami is the one that actually goes through an arc and develops as a character.

You even get this in the first episode, where Kagami takes the heroic camera angle and puts on the belt… only for Tendou to swoop in because fuck you Kagami.

The only problem was that the writers kinda bought into Tendou's hype while making everyone else into a joke. I mean TheBee and Drake were basically MIA in the second half and the hopper bros. and Sasword turned into joke characters right after their first fight. Even the final boss was explicitly a member of the Tendou fan club.

>>4998

OP here. I'm glad I started with Fourze now. I finished Double a few days ago, and while it was great, Fourze did a lot to get me into it. Trying KR out, I assumed it would be cringeworthy kids stuff and I'd be watching it for the great fights I would see in gifs, but Fourze's cast managed to drag me past the cringe stuff at the beginning, and later on since I normally hate 'the power of friendship' ends, and got me to legitimately invest in the show and have a great time. While Double was a great, and might have had a tighter story throughout and actual character development across the board, I just didn't have as much fun as I did with Fourze. The fun was a big pull for me. So again, I'm really glad I started with Fourze.

I'm about to start OOO tomorrow, and reading this thread I"m looking forward to it even more.

>>5016
Not really sure what they were thinking with Sasword. They outed him as a worm in his second episode, yet the antics of the sheltered twit just keep going. I honestly thought that was a big end of series reveal, not part of his introduction.

>>5110
The way they handled Sasword is a very good example of how not to do it.

>>5651
Movie Wars Core? I'm afraid there's no explaining that. Its just a bad movie and doesn't fit with the series well at all. Easily one of the worst crossover movies.

>>5657

I thought the Skull section was good aside from some painfully cheesy moments like the 'count up your sins' scenes, but yeah overall it wasn't very good. Disappointing since it was the first crossover movie I was able to watch all of and understand who the characters were.

>>5651
The OOO section was written based on an earlier draft of the series, basically all that shit that happened with Nobunaga was going to happen to Date. But Date's actor is awesome and they all wanted him to stick around, resulting in a rewrite.

>>5665

Oh, so Date was originally going to appear in the movie? I did think it was weird how he showed up at the end of the episode right before the movie premiered. I'm surprised he had that much charisma to change everything just from shooting scenes for the movie.

>>5673
Not sure about him being in the movie, but I've been led to believe his arc in the series would have been similar to Nobunaga's arc in the movie, just stretched across episodes instead of twenty minutes.

OOO greatest strength was the chemistry between the actors. Ankh and Eiji went of freaking man dates.

>>5684
The word you are looking for is "smug prick"

So what's the importance behind grasshoppers? I know that the first Kamen Rider was designed after a grasshopper, and just about every one of the neo-heisei shows I've watched so far have at least once grasshopper monster, which I figure is a refrence to the first KR.

So why'd they go with grasshoppers in the first place?

>>5880
The motif was originally going to be a skull and Kamen Rider was a fucking psychopath. The execs liked the general idea but asked Ishinomori to tone it down and use a different motif. He observed that children liked bugs so he figured that'd be a good alternative to skulls.

>>5684

Drive has been kind of a weird season that hasn't been able to consistently maintain its feel. It's like it's still searching for it's identity 12 episodes in.

That said, most people will probably recommend OOO for that kind of feel.

>>5881

Huh. That's kind of surprising that it was just that arbitrary, from the sound of it. Explains Kamen Rider Skull, I guess. Thanks anon.

So I just watched the 40th Anniversary movie. Will there ever be a movie as hype as that one? Was the Showa vs Heisei nearly as good?

>>5914
>>5881
So, "The Skull Man" is kind of a rider?

Kamen "RIDERS" ride. They ride BIKES/CrotchRockets/MotorCycles.

Kamen Rider "drive", who drives a fucking car is bullshit and an insult to the Kamen "RIDER" name.

/endrant

>>6143

We all know Mach is the true hero of Drive.

>>6246
I've been watching the Clocked-up scrubs. They're not perfect but they're definitely better than TV-N. They haven't released anything in a month, though.

>>5673

I think you don't get just HOW much chemistry was going on during OOO.

I mean if you check back on the casts blog posts they loved every waking minute of every day spending time with each other and the show went through numerous rewrites just to give them as much screentime with each other as they could get.

The rewrites to make this happen were pretty much constant. Date's actor is a bro, so his six episode role turned into like 20 episodes. Ankhs actor is also a bro, so they ditched a whole toy and rewrote his entire arc just to give him screen time. Satonaka's actor is a bro, so suddenly she goes from being a secretary to full combat just to keep her around more, and the whole ridevendor squad sits around with their thumbs in their asses.

On one hand this means that day to day the episodes can be fun as shit and it's always great to just watch them play off each other.

On the other it means you wound up with like a third of the series where nothing happened and nobody can really progress, since Date can no longer die and Ankh's life and death thing falls to the wayside. It gets better as you kick into high gear but at one point the plot literally moves backwards as they lose powerups and first half villains come back.

It also means the OOO movies wound up being basically impossible to work with because they were going off the original series plan. Hence the Greeed talking about characters that don't exist everyone acting kinda funny.

A whole lot of people complained just because it was a sharp come down after W and super notable since Fourze returned to W's form. Those two series had a tight plan and tight continuity that OOO could never manage.

>>6689

On that note, anyone know why they completley changed the goth chicks character in Fourze? She went from being a creepy lesbian stalker to meteors waifu and had basically nothing inbetween for the 20 or so episodes from point A to B. Every other part of the cast had something but not her.

Well, I finished OOOs. The finale easily made up for the movies. It's easily my favorite KR series so far, which granted isn't saying much since I've only watched this, W, Fourze, and some of the orginal.

I'm starting to get into rider; what's wrong with TV Nihon?

>>6720
their translations are usually regarded as lacking, and some find the on-screen flashy stuff they put in distracting

>>6720
Their word choice for translating basic phrases is odd too. Fourze was my first series, and I went with TV Nihon since I didn't know better. It was weird to have almost 40 episodes of 'Space is here!'

>>6720
Occasionally, they are outright unintelligible in addition to leaving in Japanese phrases.

Still, the TV Nihon translation only made Kabuto more fun as that was pretty comedy oriented.

>>6727
not as good as the Kabuto English dub

>>6726
Didn't they go with "space kitaa"?

>>6728
>recommending the dub
You can't do that, it's illegal!

>>6729
By the end of it, yeah. They just stopped translating a lot of the repeated phrases.

>>6730
call ZECT, I don't give a fuck

Are the super hero taisen movies worth watching if I don't follow sentai?

I started all the way back in kuuga, just finished blade is it really okay to skip over so many series and get straight into the neo-hesei series? especially with the taisen movies?

>>7299
I'd just watch the rest of the old heisei in order unless you really really want to get to neo and can't wait.