No.989[Last 50 Posts]
I'm only 20 episodes in, and should I feel bad if I like ZZ better than Zeta so far? I even liked the Moon Moon arc. The characters grew on me pretty quickly, and Haman is amazing.
No.991
No, they're radically different series. It makes sense that you'd prefer one of them over the other, it just happens that many prefer Zeta.
A lot of people liked SEED Destiny, too, though.
No.1005
The worst part about going from zeta to double zeta is the fucking mood whiplash. You go from mulitple people dying and people going insane and shit to Bright catching chickens and MS fistfights.
No.1044
No.1045
Zeta was a tedious, boring drag with a directionless plot that I cant remember no matter how hard I try. ZZ was fun and had the best main Gundam.
No.1048
>>1045Zeta has the shitty battle every week shit that was going on at the time but way it slowly ground down all the people involved was beautiful. The Zeta is also sleek and sexy whereas the double zeta is an overcomplicated fatass. This is all my opinion of course.
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>>1048>>1048OP here. I like how the ZZ series had three Gundam mobile suits, which are usually taken seriously, while the Zeta and 0079 series usually only had one.
No.1112
it seems like if you're watching gundam for the robot fights and the SF setting and stuff there's a lot more to enjoy in ZZ than if you're watching for THE VERY SERIOUS PLOT
No.1122
>>1112If your watching for the fights you should be watching Victory instead. Seeing as it has the best fights in the entire franchise.
No.1129
>>1122I wish I could watch Victory for the animation though
Some of those designs haven't gotten the shading they deserve
No.1141
>>1129Victory's got plenty of shading
just not in the show No.1157
>>1122A word of Warning, Do not watch victory when depressed.
It is a bad idea.
Amazing fights though.
No.1161
>>1157What are you talking about? Just look how upbeat the OP is.
No.1164
>>1161Well, i must admit that there is SOME comedy.
Reminder that Comedy and Tragedy are the same thing No.1176
>>1164haven't gotten to that episode yet, kind of aware of what goes down, want to fap now No.1200
>>1048I haven't even seen ZZ yet and I already hate it's titular gundam. It looks like the rape-child between Zeta and Starscream.
Then again, ask me in two months and I'll probably have 2 gunpla of it already made. I'm retarded like that.
No.1225
About when the desert arc starts and up to Ple2's introduction I thought it was better than Zeta as well, the rest, not so much. Ple is a miracle of the universe though.
No.1226
>>1200It really was the ugliest titular gundam in the franchise until the Age 1 showed up.
No.1245
>>1200The ZZ is actually what made me look forward to the show the most, especially as this was a few years ago when its reputation as 'Worst Gundam' was strong.
No.1336
Zeta to me was like attending that boring family wedding ceremony and being the youngest one. You get bossed/slapped around everywhere and have no idea what's going on.
ZZ was like that adventurous trip with your band of buddies , which includes insufferable assholes and silent cowards.And Haman. And Purus.
No.3547
Okay I fished Zeta a few days ago (was dragging my feet because I heard the ending would piss me off). Anyway, I figured I'd give ZZ a try, not crazy about subs (yeah yeah) - but I figured if I didn't like it as much as Zeta I'd go back to Victory or move on in the mid UC. I'm like 9 episodes in and I fucking love it. I honestly feel a little bad for even thinking this, but it makes Zeta seam boring. So far I think Zeta had the best story and characters. But holy fuck ZZ is fun. It's light hearted, but there's still drama. It reminds me of Dragonball y'know. Silly dialogue, slapstick, but people still get killed.
No.3555
>>1054Come on. Kai and Hayato weren't
always jobbers in 79.
No.3561
I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure where all this love for ZZ is coming from recently. I watched the first 10 episodes not too long ago, and I just thought it was a complete mess.
The antagonists are a total joke, which would be fine if the series were 100% committed to being a comedy. But on some level, ZZ still seems to be trying to continue the whole "UC Gundam saga" started with 0079 and Zeta. I understand that civilians being forced to join the fight is kind of a Gundam hallmark, but I still can't fathom what made the writers decide to have basically the entire cast be a bunch of incompetent nobodies who can't even be assed to close the cockpit half the time. I mean, even if Mashymre is just some crazy washed up stalker, it really strains my disbelief that any military outfit in history would be unable to deal with the ZZ protagonists.
I'm not even gonna say that the protagonists are unlikable, and I'm definitely not saying that I'm inherently opposed to something more lighthearted in UC. It's just that ZZ is trying to have it both ways, and it's just sort of been half-assing both so far. The result's just been a show where there aren't enough gags for it to be a good comedy, but the drama is so nonexistent that I find it tough to remind myself that anything is at stake at all.
I did hear it gets way better shortly after the point I left off, though, so maybe I'll give it another shot.
No.3562
ZZ is a pretty cool series I still cant tell if I love or hate anime ja nai though. The second half was better than zeta but over all I thought zeta was the better series. 0079 is still better than both
No.3564
One thing that made me fall in love with ZZ was the whiplash from the opening literally screaming THIS AIN'T ANIME IT'S TOTES FOR REALZ and then you get early ZZ
No.3570
>>3562>>3564That fucking opening. I hate it.
ANIME JA NAI!!
>anime ja nai.ANIME JA NAI!!
>anime ja nai.79's opening was hokey and 70s as fuck.
which was awesomeAnd Zeta's was pretty badass.
No.3571
>>3570I enjoy it in the context of the show.
Especially how the motherboard flies up behind the cast at the end because TECHNOLOGY.
I don't think I've listened the full version of the song more than a couple of times, though.
No.3581
I'm glad to see more love for ZZ cropping up these days, I'm one of those people who liked it way more than Zeta too. I actually think the silly tone of the early episodes helps it - it both establishes how little the main cast cared about what was going on outside their world and also made the (much) darker later episodes all the more effective (as opposed to Victory, which tries to be so bleak throughout that I found it veered into accidental comedy). Plus, Puru is best Gundam girls.
No.3584
>>3581I liked you up until you implied Puru > Roux.
No.3587
>>989I just can't enjoy ZZ. I enjoyed Zeta even thought it wasn't my absolute favourite, and I knew ZZ wouldn't be more of the same but I still just can't get into it.
No.3637
>>3584He's not wrong. What's wrong with you?
No.3639
>>1226Nigger, what? You can't honestly believe the ZZ looks better than AGE-1. Normal, Titus and Spallow all look better than the eyesore that is ZZ Gundam.
No.3650
>>1336Dang, anon, I think you just gave one of the best summary of Zeta and ZZ.
No.3658
I've only seen 4 episodes of ZZ featuring the Double Zeta and I'm really starting to like it (even though I said before I hated it).
Why am I such a faggot?
No.3672
The way I see it, ZZ was written with more likeable characters, and the way the series embraces its cartoony nature in the beginning is great. It has a slight Xabungle feel to it. Somewhere around the middle ZZ takes turn for the more serious, as to remind the cast that even everyday laughter has its more serious side.
>>3639Everybody have their own views. ZZ has a very beefy, commanding appearance that screams of overblown power. It's like if Zeta went to the gym and came out kicking ass just by being there. I too never cared for AGE designs, so ZZ's 80s powerhouse look fits it perfectly. Modern redesigns try to slim ZZ down, and that's horrible.
No.3673
>>3672>Everybody has their own views.Yeah, and yours are shit, m8.
No.3674
>>3673And in the same extension, yours is too.
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No.3681
>>989I feel the same way. I guess it was just more light-hearted and that was good enough for me after slogging through Zeta.
No.3685
>>989The light-heartedness doesn't work precisely because it comes right after Zeta. They really shouldn't have set it immediately afterwards, it makes it feel off.
No.3700
>>3672I kind of like the idea of a more sleek ZZ re-design. If they made a gunpla Ver. Ka like that I'd probably drop $80 on it. I've actually been thinking of buying an HG ZZ and customizing it that way.
No.3734
Oh man, I just started ep20. Wong Lee slaps the shit out of Kamile, but Judau dodges his punch and knees him in the gut. I'm wondering if I'll like Judau more than Kamile by the time I finish the series.
No.3737
>>3734Unlike Kamille, Judau is actually a likeable character.
No.3738
>>3737I liked Kamille a lot more than Judeau, he bothers me for some reason.
No.3744
I was thinking about ZZ's ending.
Did Judau have any clue who Sayla was?
Char didn't really come up as a subject of discussion either, so it's just some random blond chick. Maybe he newtyped that she's trustworthy? Or newtyped via his sister that leaving his sister with her is okay? It just seems weird that for all of his MUH SISTER that he just dumps her on some random woman he doesn't know, and maybe heard a story about her brother being an asshole who occasionally hangs out with younger girls
No.3745
>>3737I'm not even half way through but so far I agree. Kamille was either bitching at Fa or complaining about orders. Then again he did design the Zeta. Judau seams to have little to no engineering skill.
No.3746
I wonder what the original plan for the series was or if they were just making it up as they went along. Like why would char be in the opening.
No.3750
>>3746I think it was originally just going to be a second season of Zeta with Char as the protagonist, but that got shelved when Char's Counter-Attack got the greenlight.
No.3754
>>3750Yeah that's what I read too. Imagine that though, an entire Gundam series staring Char.
Hell yeah.
No.3780
What the fuck is this? As soon as that cable got wrapped around Iino I was like "oh shit he's dead". Then Judau slams on the 'brakes' and he goes flying and I'm thinking "holy shit he is dead".
But he's fucking fine! I know I know if it's a cartoon. But it felt like they were building up to a death.
Anyway whatever, it just fucking annoyed me.
No.3781
>>3750>>3746A million years ago I had a picture from the moonwebs that was the cover to a scenario document for "Z Gundam: Char of Counterattack"
Perhaps Zeta through CCA is derived from it? Perhaps it was horse shit? Ancient Aliens.
No.3838
>>991SEED Destiny isn't really radically different from SEED though.
In fact that's one of it's major problems.
No.3839
>>3639>Nigger, what? You can't honestly believe the ZZ looks better than AGE-1.Not that guy, but I do.
ZZ is a far more popular suit, despite less recent exposure, so I don't think it's an uncommon opinion ether.
No.3840
>>3584Roux is like the most boring girl in the whole show… seriously. I still don't understand what her charm or personality was to this day, besides maybe colorful hair.
No.3841
>>1200It really doesn't resemble the original Zeta in any strong way. It has far more in common with the original Gundam. It's a lot easier to appreciate if you stop thinking of it as the successor of the Zeta, and more like a spinoff that goes in a totally different direction. (Which is true, since many designs inspired by the original Zeta continue to show up in UC even after the ZZ is created.)
No.3890
>>989>>3581OP here. I think the reason I like ZZ is the "silliness" fits more in the series. It let's me know when I can tone our and when the sad or important parts are. It has the same sense of humor as 0079 or even Zeta, but it communicated to me much better what the serious and humorous parts were instead of "*blows up an asteroid* I THINK THE NEXT LEADER OF EARTH SPHERE SHOULD BE A WOMAN" never knowing whether to take it seriously or not.
And yes, Puru best girls, Haman too. So far the only girls I've liked nearly as much as the ZZ girls is
Lacus.
No.3891
>>3658When I first saw the double zeta transform, I started singing the transformation song from Gurren Lagann.
No.3892
>>3738I like Kamille a little more than Judau, but Judau is more relateable cause he has imoutos while Kamille had a forced harem
No.3966
>>3840Yeah it's probably the blue/purple-ish hair that does it for me. Does that make me a tumblrfag?
No.3991
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Seriously though, you /m/other fuckers telling me you wouldn't?
No.3992
>>1161Spoiler Alert!:
Everybody fucking dies. No.3993
>>3991It's not that I wouldn't but I would rather many of the other great girls in this show.
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No.4007
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No.4011
>>3993I want to marry Puru and adopt Haman. Yes you read that right.
No.4020
>>4011The question is, who would you fuck the most?
No.4025
No.4163
ZZ only picks up about 2 or 3 episodes after they get to space, when they drop their straight-outa-disney comedy sounds.
No.4215
>>4163I liked Shangri-La cause it was the first time we get to see a deeper side of a colony, instead of just cut and paste Mass Effect style worlds. Axis was cool for this reason too.
No.4266
>>4215Shangri-La was pretty awesome. It also gave some good insight into what colony life is like in the older, poorer sides. I also like that they showed what happens to all of the ships/mobile remains of the past wars/conflicts.
Also part of me misses that purple haired jackass Marshy-something.
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I got about 10 episodes of ZZ left and I gotta say, it's honestly a great series. If the silly tone is off putting to some people, ride it out. It starts to feel like Zeta again after a dozen or so episodes.
No.4597
>>4488>That picZZ is already a gigantic monstrosity on par with the Psycho Gundam, why add even more shit onto it?
No.4628
>>4597To make it even more a monster.
No.4630
>>1005>MS fistfights.What about em?
No.4644
>>3639>ZZ < AGEThis better be b8, or you're the worst double nigger to exist
No.4662
>>3672I think ZZ humor was much more balanced. In the other shows, humor was just distracting and threw me out of the moment.
No.4664
>>3639I might agree if the spallow was the default Age model. I actually think that the spallow would look pretty good if the whole thing was done in a darker color. The standard Age's bland gundamness and the stupid fucking spoiler ruin the design for me.
No.4670
I'm 19 episodes in myself.
Up until episode 18, the series was absolutely unbearable for me though.
Nice to see Haman though.
No.4700
>>4670I want Haman to gently dominate me. Sweet Lord above, those legs.
No.4716
>>4700You people should've stayed on halfchan.
No.4768
>>4716>implying you wouldn'tYou can resist, but soon enough Haman will have her way.
No.4773
>>1225I want to have a 3way with Ple and Ple2.
But I can't, because they're dead. And after they die, they're never mentioned again. That pissed me off.
No.4906
>>4597Because my erection.
No.4908
>>4664Holy fuck that spoiler. I was tempted to watch the series even though I've read the ending will make me put my fist through a wall. But my god that spoiler, every time I see it - it irritates me.
No.4930
>>4908Maybe the Mech designer put the spoiler on it to warn people away from the show. Like how poisonous snake has bright colors.
No.4961
>>4768I want Haman to rape me tenderly.
No.5072
>>3639AGE- every design, including the battleship, makes me laugh uncontrollably because it is all. Every Single Bit of it. So cartoony it looks like it's mega blocks. Except the baddie suits, which only look like cheap beast wars knock off toys.
ZZ might be overdesigned stuff, but it has Puru. Everything is better with Puru. ZZ even has MULTIPLE Purus, so the benefits stack! Why, I even started to watch UC because it had the last Puru all deliciously grown up.
No.5082
>>5072Gundam AGE took everything wrong about 00 mobile suit design and amplified it immensely. Just looking at the line art makes me wonder how exactly these things could stand, they're so top-heavy looking. AGE-FX is just a Duplo Qan-[T] Full Saber, even then the Qan-[T] still looks better just because more detail was put into it. I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that the AGE stuff has less detail than the original series' mobile suits.
I bet that the model kits have 00 Syndrome with their tiny feet and ankle assemblies.
No.5090
>>5083Left looks like Reco suits
No.5232
I just finished ZZ. I really liked it. It was nice to see a happy ending after the feels that Zeta left me with. Seriously though, anyone initially put off by the silly tone of the first few episodes, ride that shit out, it gits gud.
No.5483
>>1157>>1129I skipped Victory, is it worth it? or should I continue with Turn A.
No.5484
>>5232It was good, I liked it. The zeta zaku was the best part. Best gundam.
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>>5483You're really not missing anything. I had to bail on Victory and just move to Turn-A because absolutely friggin' nothing happens in Victory.
I got to episode 34 before I just gave up and skimmed through the rest of the episodes just to see if anything happened.
Nothing happened.Turn-A sure is good so far though, I like it a lot.
No.5509
>>5508If the creator says, "Do not watch." I tend to follow their advise. I love turn A so far, on 33. Can't wait till they go into space.
No.5517
>>5508Victory has really good fights and designs. I was disappointed that, when people say it's the "most depressing gundam", it really wasn't that sad because you don't care about the characters. However, the fight scenes and crazy mecha and motorbike battleships made up for it.