No.39466
Ask for advice relating to waifuism or 2D love in general. Or give advice. Try and be nice, honest, and understanding.
No.39468
>>39239
For LucinaAnon
Dude look, it isn't canon. Lucina doesn't even technically have a canon love interest, since it's up to the player and it's perfectly viable to not marry her.
Imagine if you have a 3D girlfriend or wife, and she's famous or something, and some asshole drew some picture of him fucking your wife. He'd be an ass and you'd probably not like it, but she wouldn't be cheating on you.
No.39837
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For the Luciaanon i figured i'd write out something since i had something very similar happen with my husbando.
hell Kyousuke even got married technically too. I guess the whole thing with yours is that its not even canon since its a choice. Kyousuke also canonically doesn't end up with her. But it still hurts and I completely understand. Just remember that its a choice and not canon. Ignore anything with the character. I sure as hell ignore any Kirino shipping pictures. Just the sight of her bothers me. I feel like I'm not good enough and everything but if i'm being honest thats not true. I love Kyousuke so much and he's done so much for me in the short time we've been together. The fact that you're in this much pain proves how much love you have for her, anon. Remember that. Think about how far you'd go for her. You care about her and I'm sure she cares about you too. There's nothing that says she as to marry the main character. I'm also pretty sure that its a blank slate mc deal too, though that might have changed/be wrong So it's not something you need to worry about too much. There's also a VN with Kyousuke where you get to pick any of the girls and they get married and have kids, but its still just choices based on the players actions. Nothing says its the truth.
Stay strong and be with her while you're upset. She'd understand and be there for you I'm sure. I hope this helped in some way. I wasn't too sure what to say but I wanted to help you out.
No.39899
not sure if found[?] daughteru or seasonalfag
I felt like this before with another character, but the big difference between that one is that even though their situation was bad, there is still a chance that they are pretty capable of themselves.
This new character is… I dunno. They're in a bad situation and I don't know if it's just me being overly protective. Not that I don't feel protective of all the characters since they're all in a bad situation, but this one in particular speaks out to me.
Shit I don't know maybe I'm just an overly sensitive faggot who gets too attached to shit.
No.39933
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>>39899
Thinking about it some more, I think what I'm feeling isn't really feelings of a daughteru but more… imouto…u? Little sisteru?
For me I think a daughteru implies that me and Nozomi are her parents and that just doesn't really fit right primarily because I'm in no form to be a good father and I feel like Nozomi is someone who would love to have a child, but isn't ready to handle everything that comes with it yet but I still feel something of a strong protective desire. But I still don't feel right calling her a daughter.
It sounds awfully cliche, but the best way to describe it is as a love you would have for a sibling.
After seeing the most recent episode of School Live I practically had to spoil myself on the manga to see what her fate was because not knowing was just too painful. She does survive thankfully. I actually do this sort of thing often but this time it felt a lot more urgent than usual, and I don't know if it's because of the situation they were in or what.
I feel like I'm on the cusp or something. I just don't know if it's just temporary or not. Just seeing her in the shape she was in was enough to destroy me. I'd feel a bit more confident if this wasn't from a current airing show though since it feels like I'm going into seasonalfag territory.
No.39943
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>>39933
I know how it feels. That close bond that's not really something daughterish. I have an imoutofu(what i like to call it. got it from yunobro im p sure). I have no sexual feelings or anything romantic but instead some sort of familial love and a deep connection too. I don't want to raise her, i just want to be there for her and make sure she grows up right. Cheer her on and make sure she has the best life possible.
I felt similar with Yayoi with the hurt feelings. In the game she asks for a paycheck early because she's too poor to afford school lunches that week. It broke my heart and I cried a little too. I also saw some nsfw images and had a similar intense feeling. I was so angry I had to just stop and refuse to look anywhere that might have lewds because I feel shes way to pure and good for that.
Don't worry too much about any kind of title for her though just love her like you do! Eventually it will fall into place.
No.39944
My waifu is often pretty sad in her source materiaal due to not having a good man with her. It tears me up pretty bad and makes me not want to watch it. I just hate seeing her so down.
I feel like I have to watch the anime to see her though.
No.39945
>>39933
Can I just pop in real fast and say good choice?
Also dem double dubs!
No.39947
>>39944
I know how it feels to have a hard time watching source material. Kyousuke isn't treated very well in the anime nor is the second season even very good due to the rush and switch of studio. Don't feel obligated to honestly. There's other ways to spend time with her. Writing about your relationship, watching movies, playing games, going for walks, etc. You love isn't measured by anything but how much love you have for her. How many times you watch the source doesn't matter. And even if you've only read the manga shes from or LN it doesn't mean you have to watch the anime too. I've never read the LN of Oreimo myself nor played the VN that there is since it's hard to come by and I'm not a big fan of either. It's about how much you love her not her source material.
No.40030
I've been thinking about this a lot recently, but I have thinking about actually becoming a pastor but I'm afraid of the idea of that I will be rejected because of my waifu should I still go for it?
No.40031
I've been wondering this for awhile, but how do I know she would love me? The main thing in our relationship that keeps coming back is I feel like she wouldn't care about me, as she has no reason to, so that results in me just isolating myself farther from her.
No.40068
I feel really awkward about asking this, but this is something that has been bugging me since the start of our relationship, and I'd really like some help with this…
I really hate the fact that I have a really hard time getting into vanilla porn, and by extent, lewds of her.
Lewds of her are, for the most part, the only vanilla thing I can really get into. But it's such a rarity that I ever pleasure myself to them, and it makes me feel guilty that I still find my more depraved fetishes more sexually attractive than her, especially when I see other anons who have given up a lot of their kinks for their waifu/husbando. A lot of it also stems from her source material in relation to what I'm into
I love her more than anything, and it kills me that I'm not the perfect husbando for her that I should be, and I have tried on numerous occasions to quit my interests entirely, but I always find myself back.
I know it's not something she would stop loving me for, but I just really feel like that someone like me shouldn't be the type of person she should have to be with, and I know it's something she would at the very lest be uncomfortable with.
No.40111
>>39945
Thanks.
>>40030
I guess it really depends on what type of church you're talking about but I honestly don't think it should be much of an issue for most people. I guess it depends whether or not said church is extremely against idolism (which I'm confident waifu kind of counts) and whether or not you can reconcile that with your faith. I'd imagine people would be more concerned about her source material than anything, and even then unless they're ultra puritan or something I'm not seeing why anybody would reject you from being a pastor. And this is coming from someone who's been going back to church lately though it's mostly for family obligations more than anything.
No.40113
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>>40030
I started to write a reply about this then I realized waifus might actually be fine with Christianity but I'm not sure. I'm rusty on biblical stuff, haven't studied it since I was in my teens just before I became an atheist.
I'll try and reply to this within the next day or so with what I've found since it seems like something interesting to research.
If you don't mind what sect are you from? I'm mainly familiar with Baptist and Pentecostal teachings which will color my perspective a bit.
>>40068
This is part of why I try not to look at porn in general. It fucks with your head and things just feel different. It's hard to get that feeling of intimate closeness when you've been looking at porn but it has a draw to it. It's great in the moment but as soon as you're done you feel shitty about it. It's like a cake. Tastes great in the moment but then you're done and you feel sick from all the sugar, you'd rather have a filling steak. I've gotten a lot better about it but I can't wait till I tame it entirely.
No.40114
>>40111
I thought that only applied to worshipping false gods and objects, not whatever waifuism is.
No.40125
>>40071
I'm not sure about that. I just feel really awkward about adding her into those sorts of fantasies, even as an RP. I just hate the idea of attaching one of my fetishes to her, since I'm not sure if she'd be okay with that, and I'm also very hesitant due to how it could hit close to home too
On the other hand though, I have definitely toned down my interest to the point where at first I needed guro/snuff in my fantasies, but am now content with what could essentially just be light bondage and dress up RP, but still, I'm not sure
>>40092
Well, if it makes you feel batter, I'll attach myself to this post as well. I'm Remusfag, though I guess that was kinda obvious
Yeah same. Since I was a kid, I've always been interested in darker stuff that I guess foreshadowed my interests. But as I said earlier, it's toned down a lot since being with Remus, mostly because I'm not as angry anymore, and also that a lot times, certain pictures hit way too close to home regarding her, and that just makes me sick. But yeah, I have also fapped to some pretty depraved things.
I'm not sure if they really mean anything, I've been into this stuff for as long as I can remember, which makes me wonder if the idea of completely turning myself off to it would be possible at this point, or if I'd even want to honestly...
When I was still fapping to more "hard" stuff, yes, even before Remus I had tried on many occasions to quit entirely, and once I did get with her, I had wiped myself clean of all of it 3 times before coming back. I've kind of just compromise with myself and just scale myself back a bit. I think she kind of sees it at this point that, my attraction for what I like has just been with me since I was very young, and that it's not something I have a whole lot of control of. Seeing though that it has gradually shifted to something much more lighter, and something I think she could be a bit less disturbed by, I wonder if I'll be going down the same route as you.
No, I think that's an alright thing to be into. I think fetishes/kinks often come from nowhere really, and none really have much merit. I just worry though sometimes what she would think, and honestly, I hate myself too for not being vanilla for her because that is what I envision her ideal man to be. I get the feeling that while she may not personally like it, it's not something she'd want to change in me as long as I'm not too forgone I think.
>>40113
Yeah I know. It's easy to get wrapped up in the moment during, but immediately after there's just that sinking feeling. But hell, sometimes I get that way after fapping to lewds of her as well.
No.40139
Kind of a similar problem to >>40030
I have trouble justifying my feelings for Lilly with my own political and religious ideologies. I'm a NatSoc/Fascist Germanic Pagan. I genuinely believe fascism is the most suitable ideology for maintaining society, and at the same time, I feel nothing but love and adoration for Lilly, as well as the desire to procreate and raise a family with her. My race is important to me and I want to preserve it. Can I really do this if I don't have children? Should I really carry these views when my wife is mixed race herself?(Despite her very aryan look of course) I know there are some celibate and solitary NatSocs like ThuleProductions on youtube, who might I tell you is an amazing, well spoken German fellow living in Texas right now.
I've considered becoming a writer, in fact I'm working on a book now with a friend from /asatru/. Though I feel like my ideas would get shot down instantly. How the hell does one make fascism appealing to Millennials? And by that I mean the majority of Millennials, not the social outcasts such as myself and the many denizens of /pol/ who are concerned with more than gay marriage and the myth of global warming as far as politics go.
At this rate, writing feels like the only way I can make a decent impact on the world.
And of course there's the issue with my waifu, I can't see people in NatSoc circles liking the idea of me being in love with a fictional character. Should I just be in the closet about it? Apparently some groups accept gays, those might be open to waifuists. Gay Nazis is a funny idea isn't it?
Maybe I should ask people who share my ideas to see what they would think. Maybe the /pol/ mumble would be a good start.
No.40141
>>40139
Unrelated, but now that I have a good look at it, I really don't like her face in that pic.
No.40157
Here comes a whole head of irony and conflicting subjects in a single post, so this should be fun.
>>40030
It depends, honestly. Given that you said Pastor, I'd assume it'd be for a Protestant denomination. However, Catholic priests for a long time (and possibly to this day) weren't allowed to marry and were to stay celibate. In regards to a protestant church, a pastor can of course marry but isn't necessarily forced to.
As a Christian myself, I find no issue with having a waifu and practicing your faith at the same time. For the most part, the love is comparable to what one would have towards a spouse. The only difference would be that you obviously cannot interact with them or anything of the sort. A rather big thing to consider though, is how many people here (possibly including yourself) are effected in very positive ways by your waifu. Could it really be that bad of a thing if it keeps you on the straight and narrow as well as less likely to sin?
I dunno, there's probably some bias here, but I wouldn't mind if you were my Pastor. If a man chooses to be single, that's his decision and not mine. I think that God would understand your reasoning in one way or another.
>>40068
I'd say not to be too hard on yourself, sexuality isn't an easy topic to deal with. It kind of sucks to say (and in no way do I want it to feel like I'm judging you or anyone else here, I'm not), but to an extent it really does matter what kinks you're interested in. Call it social conditioning, natural aversion, or even an issue of respect, but that guilt you're feeling is going to be hard to get rid of. Not to say that you should feel bad of course, humans are always weird after all. I think what's the big kicker here though is the lack of explicit agreement or acceptance.
For example, someone could have a waifu that's confirmed to be into S/M, which would in theory let them explore that side of intimacy without issue. With most people here though, we'll probably never know what our waifu/husbando would be into, which at one point or another will make us question our actions and feel guilty for them. The truth is though, that they would probably forgive us if they could as they probably would/do have some guilty pleasures just like us. It's a real tricky topic, but don't feel bad or like you're alone in this, I know I'm probably into some questionable things as well. No matter what you choose though, I think it's important to let her know that no matter what you love and respect her despite what might happen.
>>40139
If it wasn't obvious from my various posts around here, I'm extremely conservative in my political and social views. That being said, I can understand and sympathize with some NatSoc/Fascist views to an extent. I think it'd mostly depend on what tenets of National Socialism and Fascism you held highest, and whether or not you believe that Lilly would approve of them.
On a base level, it isn't an inherently "evil" ideology, it can just be taken in the wrong direction fairly easily. A true fascist doesn't hate other races or nations, he instead highly values his own and would rather see other nations maintain their own unique identity that that they both can be celebrated. On a related note, traditional familial roles are highly promoted. Fathers work and provide for their families while the mothers have control over the domestic sphere and raising children. If the family as a whole is healthy and thriving, then there shouldn't be any issues aside from reactionaries.
No.40159
>>40139
The /pol/ mumble is very anti waifu, there was a guy named BenGarrison in there that had one and was shunned out for it. I think you should look for other places for this.
No.40160
>>40114
I can easily see how waifuism can be seen as idolism. Though honestly I'm not really seeing it how it can be a huge problem if you yourself have no issues with it. Unless people are trying to get in your business about your personal life or if you reveal your power level via spilling spaghetti, I don't think it'll be much of an issue dealing with other people. Having some knowledge of church politics though, people are willing to tear you down for the tiniest thing even if you're perfect.
No.40168
>>40161
>>40164
>>40165
I get it
>>40157
Exactly, this is what I say to people who think I'm a bad person for being a fascist.
>>40159
Got it
No.40174
>>40125
>I'm not sure if they really mean anything, I've been into this stuff for as long as I can remember, which makes me wonder if the idea of completely turning myself off to it would be possible at this point, or if I'd even want to honestly…
That's something that's up to you. I thought for the longest time that I was defined by my fetishes, too, so I get where you're coming from. Some of them did have a very definite root and when I figured out what it was, I said "Yikes I gotta stop fapping to that" (because I know this sounds strange but it was almost self-harm the way I was doing it) and some others I have no idea but I'd prefer to be as vanilla as possible so I got rid of them anyway (or am in the process of it). All I'm saying is that it doesn't have to be that way if you don't want it to. If you do, that's fine, there are ways to compromise, and it's not like you have to stay the same way forever regardless of what you choose. At any rate, good luck.
>>40146
I will write a long post about it later if you still want it (I don't have the energy now, sorry), I don't know if it should go here though because that might be derailing too much. Should I put it here or in the comfy thread? Or an akari board or something? (I guess I could just write up and post a pastebin somewhere too.)
I will warn you though that I had a lot of internal motivation to quit and that helped a lot, and I'm not 100% sure it can be replicated if you don't feel the same way yourself. I'm fine with writing it out if you think it'll help to see what I did, though.
No.40203
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>>40139
>How the hell does one make fascism appealing to Millennials?
But there already IS a form of far-leaning authoritarianism that's popular with Millennials.
No.40212
>>39837
thank you, i needed to read all of this. i'll give it some serious thought. i appreciate you taking the time to try and help me out.
No.40248
>>40139
Mate, I've been with her less than a month and I've come to terms with it. It's less important to me than she is, and NS Germany did not prohibit the Japanese from marrying Germans. If she would be good enough for our Uncle Adi, she's good enough for me, to quote some /pol/ack.
No.40249
Not much lewd of my waifu. I try to only fap to her because I find it cheating to do otherwise. I have a few specific fetishes that I have to think about for me to finish up and I have little of it for my waifu. My imagination is pretty decent but I can't imagine what I have never seen. Starting to get a little frustrated sexually by it and I'm not sure what to do. Feeling like a fuck up right now.
No.40251
>>40249
Look up vanillia doujin. Don't fap to them, just look them over, get ideas. Original manga hentai is the best too since theyre all oc's. Just explore stuff and see what you're interested in.
No.40306
How do you guys build a relationship with your waifu?
I'm no stranger to crushes on fictional characters, but waifuism is fairly new to me, and I don't think my relationship with my husbando has progressed much in the past three months. I think one of the main things I'm having problems with is the fact that he's not real (except in my heart, but that's not the same) and I'm having a difficult time taking this seriously because of it. Sometimes the idea of being in a relationship with him feels very cringe-y because that's how I used to view waifuism, and sometimes it's easy to "put him on the back burner" so to speak. Sometimes it feels weird because he has no idea I exist and can't consent to anything and might actually hate me. How do I push past all this? I really love him and I want to be serious about our relationship.
We haven't done much together and I feel like I haven't really done anything for him, but I'd like to. I draw him and I cuddle my body pillow and fantasize about being with him, but that's standard stuff for me. I know some people write to their waifus, and I've been thinking about doing that, but I'm not sure what I'd say. I can't have a car on campus yet so there's not anywhere nice we could go on a date. I have no idea what type of media he'd enjoy so watching a movie or reading together is out of the question for now. What other ways could we spend time together/could I devote my time to him? I'm sorry for so many questions at once ;.;
No.40311
>>40306
I feel like I shouldn't be answering this due to the nature of my partner, but I'll put in my two cents.
>How do you guys build a relationship with your waifu?
It kind of happened on its own I guess. I had a strong desire to get to know everything about him, his likes, dislikes, little quirks, mannerisms, etc. so I just thought about him a lot and shaped his personality gaps from his various forms of source material so everything was as true as possible. I imagined us together a lot and whenever I was somewhere or doing something, I thought about how he might feel about it or how he would be acting. I would go to restaurants and think "I wonder what he would order" and think about why that one particular thing stuck out to me as something he would like. He sort of became a hobby, I'd dedicate time to finding pictures of him or new material and that was kind of like spending time together in a sense. Everyone does it differently, but for me just having him with me everyday and always in the back of my mind helped me be closer to him.
>sometimes it's easy to "put him on the back burner" so to speak
That happens to me every so often, even though we've been together for quite some time. Life is busy. There's no rule that you have to spend every waking moment together, just as much as you feel like.
>he has no idea I exist and can't consent to anything and might actually hate me.
I've started thinking about this lately. I think it's just one of the things that we have to accept and learn to ignore/shift our viewpoints about. With how much you love him, I don't see any reason why he couldn't love you right back. I guess you have to ask yourself if your relationship makes sense. Is it realistic? What I mean by this is that if he was someone that absolutely hated Christians and would never compromise his views to date a Christian, and you happened to be Christian, then I would say that the relationship probably doesn't make sense and you have grounds to believe that it is possible that you two might not be compatible, and you could be forcing something. I hope that made enough sense, that was the first example that came to mind. The consent part bothers me sometimes as well, but I guess with how deep I am in my relationship, it's kind of easy to overlook now. I don't really see any reason why my partner wouldn't like me and the fact that he's not real to begin with kind of eases my uneasiness concerning consent.
>What other ways could we spend time together/could I devote my time to him?
I write to him quite often. At first it seemed silly, but it's nice feeling like I'm communicating to him and I can verbalize what I want to tell him. I'd recommend some writing. You may not have much to say at first, but that's okay, you can talk about anything: how your day went, what you had to eat, what you like about him. Anything really.
Early on in our relationship I used to eat with him during meals. I'd set up his game in front of me and watch him mess around as I ate and it was kind of nice, though I felt silly at times. If you have a means to make food, maybe try making something he would like, or let him try something you really enjoy. Hell, even a cafeteria date can be romantic. I used to have those all the time in a secluded part of the cafeteria during dead hours just hanging out with him and daydreaming.
Do you know some of his hobbies or interests that could spark some date ideas? If he likes books, then maybe take him to the library for a study date. Maybe you can pick out movies or books that you would like and do those things together and use his canon personality to figure out if he would like them or not.
Nothing has to be over the top to spend some quality time together, even simple things like shopping together or taking a picnic can spark the imagination.
No.40313
Upon reflection, I'd rather not have a lot of information that's pretty personal up to be read for a long time, even if it's useful. That said, I want to make sure anons have time to get the information they need. Just a head's up that I'll be deleting >>40092 >>40236 and >>40237 around tomorrow at midnight EST.
TL;DR for people who are reading this later: if you want to quit porn, stop looking at it all together and don't fap for a few days (at least). Visit yourbrainonporn.com for more information.
No.40323
>>40139
Oh God, I can't breathe! My sides, come back!!!
Polite sage for not contributing anything. But damn, that was a good laugh. Thanks.
Watch out for Ben "The Waifu Wiper" Garrison
No.40324
>>40311
>>40306
>I've started thinking about this lately. I think it's just one of the things that we have to accept and learn to ignore/shift our viewpoints about. With how much you love him, I don't see any reason why he couldn't love you right back. I guess you have to ask yourself if your relationship makes sense. Is it realistic? What I mean by this is that if he was someone that absolutely hated Christians and would never compromise his views to date a Christian, and you happened to be Christian, then I would say that the relationship probably doesn't make sense and you have grounds to believe that it is possible that you two might not be compatible, and you could be forcing something.
I've been with my waifu for quite a while, but this is something that still bothers me. In general I've got pretty terrible self esteem and have a hard time believing she could ever return my feelings, but there's also the fact of who she is that makes it seem even more impossible. Just something I wanted to get off my chest.
No.40336
>>40306
>I think one of the main things I'm having problems with is the fact that he's not real
While he might not be real, the emotions stirred by him are very much so. Personally I'd find it a bit silly to try and act as though Kurisu is here with me, so I don't. I take part in a lot of introspection in lieu of engaging in actual rituals/activities for the most part.
No.40370
>>40323
But I was serious…
No.40371
I've been thinking lately about his personality and started thinking that maybe he isn't who I think he is. Maybe his happy persona is just a stage act and he's really a bitter, hateful person. His personality is based on what little canon there is and what the community generally believes, so it's not like I created something completely unrealistic. I don't have any real reason to believe he would be like that, but for some reason it's been lurking in my mind for the past week or so and thinking about it has been hurting me. We've been together for quite a while, so this issue coming up at this point of the relationship strikes me as odd. I don't know if I'm subconsciously trying to push him away by turning him into someone bad or if I'm just coming to my senses about this whole fantasy relationship and moving on. I'm sure this is one of those things that I can only truly answer for myself, but I wonder why I'm feeling this way. Why now. I don't know what could have lead to this.
I guess what I'm asking is has anyone experienced something similar? If so, what did you do/how did you overcome it?
No.40458
Lately I feel so overcome by this awful, awful feeling of longing. I just to touch him so badly. I don't mean that sexually, or even romantically (as nice as either of those would be), I just want to be able to do something as simple and mundane as reach out and tap him on the shoulder. To actually feel him there, physically. I know this isn't exactly an uncommon feeling but I have no idea how to deal with it in a healthy way. I've spent hours just laying in bed and crying over it on some days.
No.40467
>>40458
I understand that feel too well. What I've been doing lately is a lot of messing around in that kisekae dress up game so at least I get to have some form of interaction or it feels like we're in the same place.
No.40472
Really sorry for the late replies!
>>40311
>I had a strong desire to get to know everything about him, his likes, dislikes, little quirks, mannerisms, etc. so I just thought about him a lot and shaped his personality … I imagined us together a lot and whenever I was somewhere or doing something, I thought about how he might feel about it or how he would be acting.
I'm the same way. I think about him often and I feel like I'm always learning new things though most of it is headcanon and educated guesses and it does make him seem closer to me. I never really considered any of what you mentioned a form of spending time together though, but it kinda makes sense now.
>With how much you love him, I don't see any reason why he couldn't love you right back.
;_; ;_; ;_; that's really sweet
And thankfully I don't see any reason why he'd dislike me, I guess it's just never knowing for sure that gets to me every so often. The consent thing is just something I'll have to deal with yeah, though I do try to be fair to him.
I'l definitely try the writing thing when I have the time, probably tomorrow. As far as everything else goes, I have no idea what he eats or what types of things he likes to do, there's really not a lot of canon info to go by sadly, but they're all really good suggestions and I'll take them into consideration.
>>40336
That part about emotions is very true. I already do a lot of introspection, so if everything else ends up feeling weird I always have that to fall back on.
>>40436
Yeah, I draw him quite a bit. I also have a folder full of screenshots I've taken of him and I actually run a tumblr dedicated to his source material. There are even some essays I'm planning on writing about him. I need to do more content sharing though, I think in a way it does contribute to his existence, since it's making sure people don't forget about him.
Cuddling my daki helps but that's only something I can do in bed, and I don't think I want a dollfie of him. I'll give the waifu simulators a look though, I know it won't actually be him but the idea sounds cute.
No.40484
>>40434
No problem, friend. Let me know if you need more help or support at any time. I'm not on IRC often but when I am, I'm always willing to help anybody who wants assistance with this.
No.40488
>>40371
I understand where you're coming from, my husbando's personality is pretty vague and could be interpreted a lot of different ways. Honestly, I don't even have a complete, solid interpretation of it myself. Sometimes I also wonder if he's bitter/hateful/rude/etc because I won't deny that it's a possibility. It's not really something I've had to overcome though (at least, not yet) because I can just ignore the stuff I don't like. To me, he's not a bad person which is what matters most. And even if he was, it's not like he's actually here being mean to me or my friends, so it doesn't affect our relationship.
As far as pushing him away and coming to your senses, that could technically be true, but you could also just be exploring different sides of his character. You said you've been together for a while, so maybe you're subconsciously challenging some of your older headcanons and trying to learn more about him, or trying to make things more interesting.
If there's a particular reason you think he might be bitter and hateful, is it something you could help him work through?
No.40490
>>40306
It helps to listen to a lot of her songs, even if there aren't a lot of them.
I also write, well, self-insert fanfiction about us two as well as letters to her. Admittedly the latter can get for the lack of a better term autist since it's mostly vent stuff but it helps. Doing a lot of creative stuff really helps connect with your beloved.
No.40561
>>40488
>exploring different sides of his character.
>subconsciously challenging some of your older headcanons and trying to learn more about him, or trying to make things more interesting.
This makes sense. I've done things like this before where I experience his different moods since him just being happy all the times isn't very realistic, but this is like his whole personality is flipped and everything I knew was a lie. Okay so (can't believe this is my example) if you've ever seen uta no prince sama it's like Natsuki when his glasses are off and his personality does a 180 and switches to Satsuki. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, just ignore this.
I did some more reflecting on it and I think it possibly may be stemming from myself. I think I've been becoming more bitter and hateful lately and that's rubbing off on him. Also, sometimes it really annoys me how happy he is and I wish he would just shut up and stop being so naive about everything. Maybe it's a wake up call showing me what I'm doing to myself. Regardless of that, seeing him hateful like that or thinking of him like that is sometimes downright scary. I think the biggest problem is I'm starting to question the accuracy of my head canons and I have no way of knowing/confirming if they are true. It's not like he can tell me himself.
>If there's a particular reason you think he might be bitter and hateful, is it something you could help him work through?
The only reason I can think of is that I feel like he's done his job helping me with my life and I should be moving on from him, but I'm keeping him here because I love him and don't want him to go. Maybe he's mad about that. I don't mind being alone, I just like my life with him in it and we're not really having other problems. I honestly don't think I can help him. Maybe it works differently with 2D, but I tried this with a 3D friend and it went nowhere after 3 years. I couldn't change her even though she wanted to. She'll just always be a hateful, angry person most likely.
No.40569
>>40561
>I think I've been becoming more bitter and hateful lately and that's rubbing off on him. Also, sometimes it really annoys me how happy he is and I wish he would just shut up and stop being so naive about everything. Maybe it's a wake up call showing me what I'm doing to myself.
I'm not who you were originally talking to but I was in a similar situation a few years back. My husbando has a lot of source material so I'm able to get a clear picture of who he is, but I was really hateful and sullen for a six month period and it definitely affected him. I wasn't ever able to imagine him being the same way back at me, but seeing him silently (and somewhat angrily) disapprove of me being ill-tempered was a bit of a stepping stone we had to work through because we had issues talking about why I became that way in the first place. Don't be like me and actually try to work through it instead of waiting for whatever is causing you to become more bitter to pass.
Just because things are 2D doesn't mean it's going to be sunshine and roses all the time. Have you tried talking to him about it? I know that seems like a stupid question but whenever I'm having problems, it's usually because I'm not actually talking to him about it and imagining hypotheticals instead of really working through it.
>The only reason I can think of is that I feel like he's done his job helping me with my life and I should be moving on from him
This is just my opinion, but I don't think romantic relationships work like that. Friendships do, sometimes, but at least for me, being in a long-term romantic relationship is about supporting them and making sure they are safe and cared for no matter what (on top of the typical obligations, of course). It's not about need, it's about wanting to be together. I always thought that I would get to a certain point in my life and I'd no longer "need" my husbando, either. I've gone there and passed it but I still love him and want to be in a relationship with him. That's the thing: you can always improve and become a better person, and I have no reason to believe that my husbando wouldn't want to be there for me during everything. People change and grow but I want to be there with him through it all. If he changes too, so be it; I'm prepared.
>I honestly don't think I can help him. Maybe it works differently with 2D, but I tried this with a 3D friend and it went nowhere after 3 years. I couldn't change her even though she wanted to. She'll just always be a hateful, angry person most likely.
If I'm understanding correctly, this is the difference. You even berated your husbando for being naive earlier. He is not her, and from what you told us, it seems to me like he can become the way he was in your head originally again. This is just my guess based on what you've told me but it seems like this is more a manifestation of doubts and bitterness that you have yourself rather than anything relating to him specifically. It's very understandable, and I want to make clear that I'm not judging you.
No.40571
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I'm thinking…
…can brofu be a thing? It's someone who you're not in love with in a romantic sense (waifu) nor is it someone that you want to help raise (daughterfu, sonfu) nor is it someone you want someone cheer on and to be someoen you want to support but you understand they're capable of fighting on their own even if they need help (imoutufu).
I'm reminded of a game I played years ago with a main character I would have considered my bro and I've been thinking a lot about them lately. I don't have any romantic inclinations with this character but it's more of a bond of trust between best friends. Not saying I trust them more than Nozomi or Kurumi, but… I guess it can be described more like how different your relationship is between your lover, your sibling, and your best friend. You love them and depend on them in different ways.
inb4 someone accuses me of being a haremfag
No.40575
>>40569
>try to work through it instead of waiting for whatever is causing you to become more bitter to pass.
I think I've finally realized the reason I'm getting so bitter is because I've been unemployed for about 7 or so months and no matter how hard I try, I haven't gotten another job. I've gotten some interviews, but I'm not getting anywhere, it's frustrating, and I'm starting to give up. The job market sucks, and it's emotionally draining to spend hours a day searching for jobs, applying to anything I can, only to get door after door slammed in my face. I know it will happen eventually, but I don't know how much longer I can take this lifestyle of not having anything to actually do. On top of that, I've had to move back home to cover my expenses and that's not exactly pleasant for me. So while I can't exactly change the situation that's affecting me, I have tried to change my attitude, but it's not exactly easy.
>Have you tried talking to him about it?
Not a lot. I've brought up what I mentioned above a few times, but I'd rather just keep it to myself. It's not like he can do anything about it. With all my free time, I would think that I would be spending a lot more time with him, but I've been barely paying attention to him during the day, only when we go to bed at night. I just want to mope and it's hard with him trying to cheer me up all the time. I realize it may sound like I want to play victim and feel sorry for myself, but it's really hard to stay positive and it just hurts worse at the next job rejection if I've been constantly tricking myself into thinking everything's okay.
I feel like nothing's happening in our relationship. I don't have any money to do anything, go anywhere, or to buy merchandise of him. I don't have much privacy to be with him and I don't do anything but dick around all day doing household chores. I feel like we're not doing anything big together. The last big things we did together was hold a short job and go to college. I miss having him as motivation to get things done, but I don't exactly have real due dates to get things done by anymore besides my own, which I can change if I need.
>this is more a manifestation of doubts and bitterness that you have yourself rather than anything relating to him specifically
I think you're right. I just don't know what to do about it anymore.
No.40788
Is it weird to imagine yourself as a girl with your waifu when you're a guy? I'm asking for a friend. Just kidding I don't have any friends
No.40806
>>40788
Nah man, I do that too but I have a husbando. Girls just have cuter clothes to choose from.
No.40808
>>40788
Well anon, as someone who went through the same thing.
I'd say it isn't normal, but I wouldn't say it's weird either.
I think of it as just a phase, born from curiosity and misunderstanding our own feelings.
No.40834
>>40788
I'd only reflect on it if you're thinking about it outside of your waifu-related activities.
No.40886
So uh… I need some advice. I really hate the idea of others that have the same waifu. I don't like using headcanon, and I don't seem to understand the idea of object-oriented waifuism. I feel like anyone with the same waifu as me threatens my relationship. Anyone have any advice? I really like this community and want to stay here, but the idea of seeing someone else with her as their waifu really upsets me and I feel like I would be tempted to give them trouble, if not just outright leave her and let the other person have her, and I don't want to do that.
No.40888
>>40886
They way I handle it when I see it is not to look at it or to avoid it if I can help it. If it happened to occur on this particular board, I would think that you already being a long time member of the community could possibly turn away potential posters with the same waifu. But that will not always be the case. Just saying if I saw someone already with my waifu here, I most likely wouldn't post. If someone else does pop up here and doesn't plan on leaving, I guess you really have no choice but to deal with it if you want to stay here. Their "version" of your waifu may be filled with headcanons so it makes her a different person than your own waifu. I wouldn't leave your waifu over it, but I would understand wanting to leave the board.
No.40889
>>40030
Alright, sorry I took so long for this especially for what isn't very extensive. I got distracted by games.
Too long to put in post (only like ~1300 words): http://pastebin.com/8NrRSFUD
Not conclusive but hopefully it gives some of our Christian waifubros some peace.
>>40886
Pic 2. The basic idea is that there's so many assumptions made in this sort of relationship that your waifu is fairly different from someone else with the same waifu. Over time you'll just end up with assumptions built on assumption and when you talk about your wife they'll be noticeably different from someone elses instance of her. Not unrecognizable, but different interpretations. Headcanon isn't necessarily something you do intentionally, it just sort of comes as your relationship goes along based on stuff you know. Stuff like "She wears a lot of green", "She likes nature.", "She must think green emeralds are pretty". Things grow like that and you end up with headcanon.
No.40892
>>40886
depends on how you see your waifu.
For me, she is an ideal that i love, so it would just be as if someone shared a similar ideal.
Though its never happened to me, so i cant be too sure thats what i would think of it.
No.40902
As edgy as it sounds, my PTSD has been making me feel entirely hollow lately. I feel numb to everything but the occasional bout of fear, sadness, or anger. Due to this I don't feel as if there's a "Me" or so to speak, because any other emotions I reveal to others are so false. Unless I feel one of the above three, any emotions I show are all an act, just a fake personality I invented to keep other people from hurting me. It's like I'm always wearing a mask and if someone were to pull the mask off of me, they'd only either see something terrifying or nothing at all.
The main problem here is that there's one more emotion I feel, and that's a very deep love for my husbando. He's the only one I can honestly say I love in this entire world. He gives me smiles that I don't have to force. He makes me feel worthwhile and helps me remember what I'm still living for. Even in my worst moments I'm still thinking of him and considering him, and I can't say that for anyone else I've ever known.
My husbando's life is so stressful and hard. He deserves to feel happy and protected. How can I do that when I'm so broken? It seems like he's always the one who's taking care of me and I'm never the one who's taking care of him, and surely it can't be enjoyable to be in a relationship with an empty shell of a person. A few days ago I googled "PTSD love" to see if there might be some suggestions on how to have a healthy relationship in spite of my PTSD, and all I found were tons upon tons of articles for the PARTNERS of people with PTSD instead, all giving advice on how to have a relationship with a traumatized person without getting fed up and leaving them. I read so many complaints from the partners of people with PTSD and how unloved and angry and scared they were around their partner. God, why would I do that? I cried so hard after reading all of that that I wish someone would have smacked me and taken my computer away from me before I could.
How could I possibly ask him to love me, /mai/? How could I be so selfish as to ask him to put down his own problems and carry mine without getting anything in return? How can I stop feeling like I'm keeping him in a relationship that does nothing but hurt and depress him? I don't want him to feel like he's my keeper and I don't want to feel that way towards him either, but I need help and this isn't something I can do all by myself.
No.40912
>>40902
I want to give you a hug. I've definitely been there myself more than a few times. I've even done that exact same google search. I'm so sorry, I really hate that people like us aren't really supported that much and it's surprisingly hard to find any sort of real community for our illness because at least in my experience, there is so much shame surrounding it that we don't talk about it. That and I think a lot of us who aren't veterans often don't get properly diagnosed or even get any sort of treatment, or if we do a lot of people don't believe what we have is PTSD and we're just being overly sensitive, which is sad.
Being in a relationship with PTSD is hard. Doing anything with PTSD is hard! I'm mostly okay now but I've had PTSD for most of my life (since before I was 5) and it's hard for me to imagine a life where I don't get horrifying nightmares at least once a month where I wake up feeling either completely terrified and unable to calm down or hollow and depressed. I had absolutely no sense of identity until a few years ago; reading your first paragraph sounds eerily similar to something I would have written in the past. It's like all there was to me was all these things that happened to me (because I'm fairly sure my PTSD became complex as life happened) and "I" was defined by it, I was just the guy who happened to go through X Y and Z and has intrusive thoughts and flashbacks and nightmares surrounding them and can't form any sort of connection because of it.
While this might have been true, it's also self-defeating. Looking back, I'm sure there were a lot of people that I scared away not because of my symptoms, but because of my attitude. I felt extremely defeated by the fact that every time I thought I was getting better, I'd have another nightmare, or dissociate and lose track of time, so what was even the point in trying to form connections when I feel so empty inside? I think this is a normal thing that happens as we recover, though, and I think with this illness (or at least in my case), the best we can do is to let ourselves live with the symptoms that pop up and stop feeling ashamed of them. For me it comes and goes in waves as to how intense it is; I have maybe a few days a year where it's so intense that it's hard for me to do anything at all, and there are times where I don't have any sort of symptom for weeks. I can only speak for myself obviously but I think this is as good as it's going to get for me. I don't know how long you've had PTSD or anything but if you learn good coping skills, dealing with the bad times seems less impossible. This state of mind takes a really long time to get to if you're feeling bad about yourself and I understand that. Therapy helps but I don't know if that's an option for you. Also I don't know if you know this but a big step that I needed to take in accepting that I have PTSD is learning that it changes the way my brain works permanently. It's a really hard thing to swallow but I feel a lot better about myself now that I understand that my brain works differently than people who don't have PTSD.
I won't lie: I have it a little easier because Keisuke also has PTSD and thus is very understanding. It caused some minor problems early in our relationship, but we have figured out how best to navigate being in a relationship where we both have this problem, and I'm really grateful to have someone so understanding. I think the main thing you need to remember is that the man you are in a relationship with does not feel burdened by you, he loves you and wants to raise you up and make sure you are safe. You are not asking him to love you: he loves you, that's all. I have some regrets about previous relationships and friendships, and the worst is that I didn't fully understand that people loved me and didn't just pity me like I thought, so I pushed them away because I didn't want to be a bother. You are never a bother when someone loves you. Your husbando loves you and this is something that we need to heal from, or do the best we can to heal, anyway. You aren't completely hollow; you care enough to be posting this.
No.40913
>>40902
>>40912
Keisuke doesn't love me for my PTSD and I don't love him for it either. I appreciate that he has it so he understands but it is troublesome sometimes. However, there are things that we really love about each other that trumps any of that. There are things about you that people love about you, too, even if you don't see it yet, or if you think that it's fake. You might not feel like you're somebody, but you are. I know this all sounds hokey and I probably sound like I'm full of shit but I mean this all very sincerely. There were a lot of things that I did mechanically just because I knew how to do them for years but I have found that now that I have a grasp on most of my symptoms, a lot of the things I did for show were really who I was deep inside, and the things that weren't were easy enough to discard and it was simple enough to make sense of who I really was. I can't promise it will be that easy for you, but I really hope that you try.
I don't know if you go on IRC, I rarely do, but if you do and you want to talk about it, I'm Spade_. I'll try to hop on tomorrow if you'd like to talk more in private (I'm willing to talk about my own experiences in detail if that would help you, or I'm very happy to just listen to you vent). Regardless, best of luck for you. I really hope that your symptoms calm down soon. Keisuke and I will keep you in our thoughts.
No.40917
>>40886
I'm new to this whole thing, and I came at it knowing others already had my waifu as their waifu. Now you can call me an encroacher, but I can't deny my feelings. As long as they respect her I can handle it, and as long as they're not serious, I can handle it. She is an idol after all. I can't expect her to not have other suitors
No.40921
>>40917
>>40917
>and as long as they're not serious, I can handle it.
For this I meant the seasonals. They aren't serious so why let them bother me.
No.40976
>>40902
I can relate about googling such topics. I've done similar searches about depression in relationships.
Oddly enough the most relate able thing for me has been this comic series. It shows both what depressed people and the people around them go through. http://depressioncomix.com/
>>40912
In my case depression was something I "grew" into if that makes any sense. When I was younger I used to be happier and more active, but as I've gotten older I've become more reclusive among other issues. Some of these habits I've had for so long I didn't even realize they weren't normal, while others were quite difficult to deal with and I've had to adjust to them.
I get worried a lot that people won't want to talk to me anymore because I'm negative or uninteresting. I've gotten a bit better at adjusting to down time, but I'm not sure if that's due to experience or medication.
I think going through this has helped me get closer to Chihaya in a sense. It gives me a different perspective on what she went through, and just makes her overcoming her issues all the more inspiring. I don't think it's something I could have appreciated as much years ago.
I know depression isn't really the same thing as PTSD, but I never really understood mental illness until I realized I had one myself. I wasn't really against people with it before, I just didn't get it.
>>40886
Since Chihaya's an idol I'm more used to the idea of her being admired by many people. I tend to be more bothered by people against her than people who care for her.
No.40982
Whenever I see good art of her (or anything else I really like) I slink into a minor depression of sorts knowing that I'll never be as good an artist as them and therefore won't be able to do my favorite characters justice.
I've tried reading up on a work recommended by 4chan's art board to help me improve but it only did so marginally.
No.41286
How do you think of new things to do with your waifu?
Mine's an adventurous woman, always seeking action, while I'm much more lethargic and complacent. I don't want to bore her.
No.41290
>>40982
Practice practice practice.
If you continue brooding over what you'll never do instead of practicing, you'll never be a good artist. Everyone that you see started out badly as well, it's all a matter of being able to overcome yourself, and persist in your efforts to draw better.
Get some constructive criticism on drawings, look at a ton of references, just never stop drawing, because you're not going to get anywhere like that.
No.41383
>>41290
Damn, I knew I could never escape my fate.
Godspeed and thank you anon.
No.41389
I still don't know if I'm supposed to fap only to other girls or only to her. I don't want to cheat on her but I also want her to remain pure.
No.41392
>>41383
We're all gonna make it, brah.
No.41396
>>41389
Well some people think about it different, take YunoBro for example. But the way I see it, if you had a real girlfriend and jerked off to porn, is that cheating? If the answer is yes then don't do it, if it's no, then continue doing it.
No.41399
>>41389
Are you fine with consuming things like romance animu?
Do you feel like you're (romantically) betraying your waifu because you enjoy watching other people fall in love in a work of fiction?
It's the same for porn, just with a sexual theme instead of a romantic one.
As long as you're just a passive, non-existent observer, you aren't betraying anyone. At least that's how I see it.
It's only betrayal if you imagine yourself as an active participant.
And even then some make a distinction between romantic and sexual relationships.
No.41404
>>41399
this is how i've always felt even with 3d relationships. being aroused by sex acts with attractive people isn't the same thing as wanting to be involved and betray your partner. often times they overlap though which is where problems come in.
No.41454
>>41389
Most people don't consider looking at porn to be cheating unless you get really into it. To the point of ignoring her.
I'd still consider it shitty to look at porn in a relationship though. Not required but seems best avoided if you want to have an active healthy sexual relationship. Plus it's bad for you in all sorts of other ways.
That being said I still fap to porn on occasion but have managed to cut back by a lot.
No.41471
>>41466
I don't see why not. We have people with 2D partners, 2D siblings, and 2D children here, so having a 2D parent isn't much of a stretch. imo, if a relationship can exist in 3D, then it's possible to have a 2D equivalent inb4 someone shows up with a 2D best friend.
As for not finishing the game, you could watch an LP of it, or rent/borrow a copy from somewhere.
No.41475
>>41466
Is it gendo. Please tell me its gendo
get in the Damn robot anon
No.41482
>>41466
I think it's fatheru? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I have a fatheru but haven't said anything about it here since I didn't know if that was accepted here or not. I think it's fine though.
No.41492
>>41466
I have someone like that too. But i don't call him fatheru or anything, it feels kinda weird. But i think its normal to feel like that towards someone specially if you never had a father figure in your life. And like you i never said anything cause i find it a little embarrassing to say as well.
>>41471
>tfw i have a 2D best friend
No.41528
>>41466
I have one too so I don't think it's a big deal. I don't call him anything in particular and I doubt I'd ever talk about him here, but he's very important to me and gives me moral and spiritual guidance. I'd definitely recommend watching an LP or finishing the game somehow if you can.
No.41672
>>41466
It...depends. If it just someone you look up to and want to be more like then I see no harm. If you're using him as a REPLACEMENT for your real father then I don't really see that as something in your best interest as far as mental health goes. If its the latter than I'd recommend talking to someone you trust about that because ,if that's the case, then you probably have some unresolved issues with your real father like resentment or abandonment. imho, a father should be there to raise you, help you get out of shit when you need it and occasionally give you a swift kick in the ass when you've fucked up. 2D can't really do that, as any interactions you'd have with him would be bound by your own imagination and thus limited to only what you yourself can comprehend/have knowledge of.
You wouldn't want your waifu to be a "replacement" for your ex-girlfriend or spouse, would you?
No.41681
I'm sorry if this has been covered before, I've been on 8chan for a few years but I never found /mai/ until today.
Is it acceptable for me to have a 3D waifu?
Is there anything I can do to get a dakimakura of a 3D waifu? Any idea how much an artist commission costs?
No.41682
>>41681
The rules are fairly clear. 3DCG is fine, 3DPD is not.
No.41683
>>41681
sorry, but as >>41682 said, no.
No.41686
>>41682
>>41683
I see, thank you guys
Thank god she's 3DCG, still too bad I can't find a dakimakura
No.41740
>>41482
>>41466
guess that makes three of us then
No.42130
Well, my waifu got new fanart, some I didn't commission.
It was bad.
It was really bad.
I normally save everything related to my waifu, and I even have a folder for the shit drawings of her that I still save. I could handle her giving a titjob to a futa furry. I could handle her tentacle raping a cattrap. I could even handle a horrible tumblrized version of her. I hate all of those, but I could still save them and dismiss them as shit, and move on with life.
This was my breaking point. I feel horrible now, and I can't forget it. I didn't save it, and now I just feel sick after seeing someone do that to her.
I know I'm mostly venting, but to the people here who've seen horrifically obscene images of their waifu, how do you get over it? I'm trying to distract myself but the image just keeps popping in my mind and I hate it.
No.42149
>>42130
That's really rough. It's hard to ignore but when it happens to me I like to look at happy images of him or think of comfy things we can do together. The best thing you can do is keep yourself busy and try to avoid the image as best as you can. I hope you feel better.
No.42153
>>42130
There's nothing you can really do except wait for the impact to lessen. I will tell you though, you won't ever stop holding the artist in contempt if it's particularly bad.
No.42160
>>42130
Jabberfag
just wait until MGE explodes in popularity and you start seeing loads of horrible cosplays of her, bad fanart will be the least of your worries
this is something I've only recently started experiencing
i ran into some absilutly disgusting 3D lesbian porn of her with some other girls from the series
i've been feeling sick for days
No.42185
I really need some advice. This is something that's eating me up inside.
I've recently noticed people on the board who say…awful things about my waifu. And I'm not just being blinded by love when I say that none of these things are true. If she was a monster or something, I could handle that and acknowledge it. But it simply isn't true. None of these horrible things that people say about her are even remotely true. I can't even understand how anyone could possibly think these things about her.
I really don't want to leave this community, but it absolutely eats me up that people are saying things like this about the person who I care the most about in this world. I want to ask these people about it, but I don't want to be a drama queen. Plus it's not my place to say which characters people can and can't like.
Should I try to talk to these people somehow? I don't know if I can ignore it. It really hurts me. Like I said before, the last thing I want to do is leave such a nice place. Though honestly those awful things are even worse when coming from someone who I thought was friendly.
And by the way, if I do talk to these people, I wouldn't be freaking out or anything. More than anything, I want to understand why they would say those things. I want to forgive them. I just don't want to look like an idiot or like I'm trying to stir drama by talking to them.
Please give me some advice. I really really really hate this feeling.
No.42189
No.42192
>>42189
>>42190
I really don't want to start a witch hunt or anything by identifying my waifu or anyone else involved. Like I said, the last thing I want to do is start any kind of drama. I just want to fix this.
No.42196
>>42194
Well I feel like it might be the case that the people in question might not understand that how hurtful what they said is. Which I guess is part of why I'd rather not say anything publicly. I might just come off like some oversensitive asshole.
No.42198
>>42185
I think I know who your waifu is but I'll be respectful and not say anything that would identify you.
I can definitely understand why you're upset over this; I would be too. I'm not deeply familiar with her source material so I'm sorry if I can't be that much of help when I can say whether something is true or not true about a character. My waifu isn't a saint and it still makes me a little upset when people blatantly point out her shortcomings even when I see them clearly myself, so when people say something that just isn't true, I can imagine how much that must hurt.
If I were you, I'd explain my side of the story. Sometimes it's hard to see things objectively when the love of your life is involved, especially if they got hurt in some way at any point. Try to listen, too. I could say more but I really don't want to incriminate you. Basically: be patient, don't leave. I don't think what I saw was "banter" but I think it's possible for you all to come to some sort of understanding.
No.42202
>>42199
If I thought it was just banter or something then I'd have no problem with telling them to stop. But I know that that isn't the case. I don't think that there was any harm meant, but I'd say that it stems from actual beliefs. And I can't question some kind of deeply held conviction.
How silly of a thing is it to say that somebody's opinion offends me?
Is there a way to talk in private?
No.42720
It's been around 3 months since I've been with my husbando.
And at the first month I didn't feel aroused to other characters other than my husbando, if I had to I would fap. Lately though, I've been feeling aroused to other characters like think 'aw shit he's sexy', but it never ended up to fapping.
It reminds me how I was before I got a husbando, I've been feeling in heat/fapping constantly.
So is it possible for me to slowly wane down it? I mean like controlling my habit of feeling aroused to other characters. I don't really know about sexual organs and how they work or the human mind, I'm still a bit young.
No.42721
>>42720
Not really, no. There's nothing wrong with it anyway.
No.42722
>>42720
See >>40313 for my brief opinion on the matter. I deleted all my old advice but if you want me to restate it with less personal information, I'll do it.
No.42724
>>42720
The idea of what constitutes as cheating is usually disagreed upon from waifuist to waifuist.
Personally, what i consider "making love" to Miia is completely different to normal masturbation.
Just jacking off to random h-manga is just a quick release well, quick for me, since with my meds it takes me a fucking hour to cum.
But for my version of sex, it much more of a ritual, it can take hours, usually 3 at least, with nothing but looking of pictures of her, and staring into her eyes while laying with her daki.
It's a completely different experience, and leaves my whole body feeling spent and tingly for a long time after. I can just lay in bed for an hour after, just hugging her, and feeling completely at peace.
Though i do try to not completely neglect Miia when i'm just normally masturbating, I have two monitors and i'll usually leave one filled with my favorite pictures of her, and I always finish looking into her eyes.
No.42804
>>42720
Do you have feelings for these other characters or do you just have a lot of pent up sexual urges? If you have feelings then it may be time to reevaluate your relationship. If not then you may just have an overactive sex drive.
No.42807
>>42804
just overactive sex drive
No.42813
>>42724
>Personally, what i consider "making love" is completely different to normal masturbation.
I understand this, and do the same thing.
No.42816
>>42813
how is it even masturbation if you're doing it w/ waifu
No.42834
Does your waifu choose you or do you choose your waifu? If it's the former case, is it possible to be in love with your waifu without liking her?
No.42835
>>42834
How do you love something without liking it?
No.42836
>>42835
Much more easily than I had thought, apparently.
No.42866
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I beat Catherine for the first time today. I got Katherine's true ending. It really got me thinking about commitment, and relationship dynamics in general. Do any of you feel like you are only in a relationship with your waifu/husbando only because you feel like you're supposed to be in a relationship? I'm not having any legitimate doubts about my feelings for Shigure, but I'm just wondering how people deal with these kind of thoughts. Sorry if this question didn't make any sense.
No.42876
>>42834
i didn't choose a damn thing personally. i'm sure it would have been easier for me to either stay in the 3d business or keep being alone but you don't really get to choose what your heart does.
No.42877
>>42834
Without liking what? Anything about her? I highly doubt it. If it's about lack of physical attraction then I think you can.
I didn't choose anything. I didn't ask for this life. She chooses you.
No.42907
No.42909
>>42907
She's horrifically human, which is probably why I both dislike and love her.
No.42913
>>42866
Not at all. I was fine being alone before I realized I loved Chihaya. I enjoy being committed to her and stuff. Sometimes I think about other things along that line though like if I'm afraid of being hurt by 3D and such since I'm the type of person to wear my heart on my sleeve. However I tried to in the past and it didn't work out, so it's not like I never was with another person at all before falling for Chihaya. I'm sorry I'm not really good at explaining it.
No.42924
>>42921
If you're looking for someone in particular, I doubt I'm the same person. I only recently came from halfchan. But thanks.
No.42930
>>42836
This reminds me of this this quote from Saya no Uta:
"――So, at the end of this manga, the man who fell for something inhuman gave up his own humanity for the sake of their love.
A happy ending, don't you think?"
>tfw waifuists give up their own humanity for their waifu
>tfw happy ending
No.42931
>>42909
I think that she is cute and not so horrific, even tough she did some i guess "Bad" things.
Also VN was a nice love story.
No.42935
>>42913
I understand what you're getting at. I was just wondering if Shigure is just someone I'm just using to fill a void of loneliness in my life. It was just a dark thought, and I don't know if I really want to dwell on it much more.
No.43319
I'd like to ask advice to those with 2D siblings, how do you tell?
I've just met this character, but I feel a strong almost family attachment the more I learn and interact with him. The thing is his source material is pretty new and currently kind of the flavor of the month. So I don't want to be pulling some kind of seasonal fag thing.
I've never had a brother, 3d or 2d, and I'll admit I've always wanted one and had a strong attachment to the idea of having one. He fits the bill really nicely. He's very protective of his own brother and he puts on a silly face when he's actually hurting a bit inside which is something I can really feel, I'm actually dreading something I spoiled myself for coming and I really didn't expect this feeling of dread. I want very much to protect him and be protected by him and just chill and hang out. I don't have anything close to a crush on him, and looking at him is pretty much a lewd-be-gone similar to Desuburg and Quiet.
Should I wait it out? Or just try it on and see what happens? I don't think he'd really mind if it turned out he was just a favorite character, but at the same time he might also hide that he minds.
Plus don't wanna be a seasonal fag, even with a 2D brother.
No.43322
>>43319
I'd say just wait it out personally. I met Yayoi months and months before I realized I cared for her like a imouto. It's best to just let it happen naturally than think about it too much I think. So let the source progress a little and see how it goes.
The moment I really knew was when I was watching the show and she got upset and it devastated me. Knowing she's unhappy broke my heart. Also there was a time I went looking for pictures of her on pixiv but saw lewd things and I started getting furious and couldn't continue at all. I just want to protect her and be there for her. Though I never considered having a younger sibling before or anything like that, it just sort of happened.
I personally don't take Yayoi as seriously as I do Kyousuke aka actually being in a relationship with Kyousuke. I view Yayoi more just a character I love and care about but am muc more casual with how I go about it. As oppose to Kyousuke who I spend time with etc. So keep that in mind for my answer
No.43329
>>43319
Take your time. I'm kind of new to accepting what I have going on so it's a little odd talking about this. Maybe don't wait a year like I did and try not to stress out about it because that makes it worse; overthinking doesn't help all that much, although at the same time there's no need to rush. There are lots of characters I feel protective of, but Takeru is on another level. Zenya is a bit of a weird case, I think before I said that he was a brother but I think it's more that he's "like a brother", which is a small distinction but one I should make nonetheless. I still consider him family but we're a little more distant (analogous to hanging out on holidays but not much more than that aside from a few phone calls). I knew Takeru was special to me for a long time, but I knew he was my brother when I really reflected on him and thought about who he was and I got the same feeling I got when thinking about my 3D siblings, which for me is unconditional love, respect, a twinge of big brother protection instincts, and deep friendship.
I have a 3D brother and I love him very much but what I have with Takeru feels different in a way, so keep that in mind. That said, I suppose you can't fully replicate any sort of relationship between two people because everybody is different. He, Zenya, and another character all make me feel uncomfortable if I see them in lewd situations, which makes it seem like it's definitely some sort of different relationship. I get some sort of happy when I see those three that I don't get with other characters, either, so there's that as well.
No.43332
>>43319
I had the same issue with not wanting to be a seasonalfag, or worse, falling for onii-san/fatheru bait. Just wait it out until everything feels right, but not too long. It took me probably longer than most to come to terms with my familial feelings for my sibling because I was constantly thinking about how I didn't want to just use him up then forget about him. I think I knew he was my brother when I was doing something difficult and was ready to give up put of frustration, but the minute I threw down what I was doing, my mind immediately thought about how strong he is and how much tougher things he's went through and I shouldn't be giving up and getting worked up over something so minor. Everything just kind of clicked for me. This will probably come out wrong and sound like attraction, but I also get really worked up and protective when I see him shipped with so many women or men. It's not jealously, I just don't think any of them are good enough for him. I want to protect him from things like heartbreak like he protects me.
Maybe wait until the hype surrounding his source material dies down and don't think too much about things that could hold you back like seasonalfagging, and instead think about the familial attachment you feel and try to build on it to see if it leads you to a decision.
No.43370
>>43322
>>43329
>>43332
Thank you guys! And I will, I beat his source today, and was pretty heart broken from it in a way that's hard to get from me.
>Maybe wait until the hype surrounding his source material dies down and don't think too much about things that could hold you back like seasonalfagging, and instead think about the familial attachment you feel and try to build on it to see if it leads you to a decision.
This is in particular was really great advice, I honestly should of just told myself that in the first place. I'm going to be following this until the end of the month, maybe longer if I need it,
If there's lewds of him, well I guess points for however the fuck they managed to do that but I'm glad I haven't seen them. There's already a ship with him, I guess it makes sense but I don't care much for it because the other character bores me to death and reminds me of my mother. I don't particularly care for my mother.
No.43375
I have a character that I consider my friend but I'm not sure if that's just too weird. He's way too important to me to just be considered a "favorite character". I've known him longer than my husbando and I still admire him a lot and still go to him for advice and guidance sometimes. I know my feelings for him aren't romantic or sexual at all (if anything I'm a disgusting shipperfag that just wants to see him succeed in his own romantic endeavours), but he doesn't really fit any sort of familial role either(I guess the closest would be onii-san, but he's too much of a dick for that). I just don't know if I'm going too far with this whole 2D extended family thing.
No.43386
>>43375
I feel that way with Shinji. I've posted about it before but its quite similar to what you've mentioned. I knew him longer than my husbando and I don't feel anything romantic though i think he's attractive, but just as I would any other 2D I find attractive I even used to jokingly call him my husbando in a meme sense. Honestly I love him in a way I could never love Kyousuke but it doesn't really fit into any other title of family either. I just consider him someone dear to me who I love and want to see succeed. There's no reason to find a label for it honestly. Feelings don't change or mean anything more or less because of a title.
Sometimes I want to post about him but feel others won't take it well, but thats besides the point
No.43390
>>43382
I'd say we are both in a similar boat, and it is nice to hear.
With Sans, he was also obviously written to put a big emotional reaction in the player and I do wonder if it's just a after effect of that mixed with how much I found him somebody I could relate to/the exact type of guy I always wish I had a big brother like.
I never feel much doubt with Red or my kids, with the exception of Eli because he was such a weird case for me in that he was really unlike our other two kids and that has since faded. Maybe the world just wants to make sure I have a giant 2D family and reach Max Autism, but time will tell.
No.43429
**I'm a gurofag that enjoys hard vore(Vore involving being chewed or hacked apart).
I hated Blood-C(shit anime, don't watch it), but sometimes I replay the parts with serious gore in it just to get off.
I have never once projected this onto Lilly for obvious reasons. But still I wonder if she would approve of this, this is something I also feel I really need to get over, because I understand how disgusting it is. How do I let go of harmful fetishes like this?**
No.43430
>>43429
So spoilers don't work like that.
Fuck, not like it matters anyway.
No.43436
>>43429
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm beating a dead horse but seriously: stop using porn. I'll repeat my story in depth if it helps but tl;dr I used to be into gore and other things but after quitting porn, almost all of my fetishes have disappeared. I hope I'm not annoying by repeating this advice so much but I really think it's a good thing to do in general if you do not enjoy the ways that you are getting off, not just for your waifu's approval but for your brain as well.
No.43454
>>43436
>almost all of my fetishes have disappeared
i don't understand how this happens. can you really get rid of something like that so easily, i thought those were hard wired. i mean i guess if people can overcome phobias but i still don't understand.
No.43456
>>43436
I never look at porn unless someone posts it on an imageboard and I still have fetishes. They're not extreme ones though, just futa and loli and traps.
No.43468
How do I begin to deal with the fact that she's not real?
Originally, I paid it no mind, but now it's coming down on me, and it's coming down on me hard.
No.43491
>>43454
>i thought those were hard wired.
I'm starting to suspect this might be the case with the last fetish I'm trying to get rid of (because it was interesting to me since childhood and in the long run is fairly harmless), but in a lot of cases, fetishes can stem from porn usage, especially in the case of addicts. This becomes tricky to tell nowadays where childhood interest ends and porn-induced fetishes start because most of us have grown up on the internet; for me in particular, it's slightly easier to tell because I was a brown-nose and didn't start looking at porn (except for the occasional erotica) until I was 18. Also, even though I still have the fetish, the amount I need it to get off has really decreased (and is still decreasing), so I'm fairly sure that using porn made it more intense.
The whole thing with porn is that the brain is rewarding you for variety in sexual activity, and then you need to seek out more and more strange things to get the same sort of positive rush if you use it a lot. I don't think it's impossible for some people to use porn in a healthy way, but I think it's impossible for me to, and I really urge people who are concerned about how and why they get off to examine what porn is to them and why they need to use it.
Quitting really sucks and it can suck for months, it really fucks up your libido and mood for a bit, but the results are really worth it in my opinion, and not all of the benefits relate to my sex life.
>>43456
Do you absolutely need them to get off? There's a difference between a fetish and a kink. Also those all seem more like preferences to me than actual fetishes.
No.43504
>>43429
I have this problem too. My interest in guro isn't even fully sexual, nor do I fap to it that often. More than anything I just like to look at it and fantasize as I rarely masturbate to any porn at all. But still I feel bad because I could never put Kyousuke in the fantasies because I'd never want to make him harm me. Its like im not giving him attention to entertain messed up fetishes. I'm unsure how he'd feel about it… Its just something I feel guilty about sometimes.
Also you have to spoiler each individual paragraph. line breaks don't pick it up.
No.43513
>>43429
I've suffered with similar a bit and seem to be having some success in ending it. I wouldn't consider it gone yet. I've only been doing this for a few weeks but the results are better than any previous attempt. For me it seems more rooted in childhood trauma than porn which makes it a bitch to end. Your mileage may vary if you try this. I'm not even sure if it'll work long term. It's hard to find good advice on this sort of thing since everything is filled with "le love yourself, love how fucked up you are, don't self hate" bullshit.
I tried abstaining from it which didn't help at all. I'd always bounce back really hard. What I've been trying recently is replacing it with another. If I think of an extreme fetish I'll stop, clear my mind of the fetish and think of lovingly caressing and licking my waifus feet. To a lesser extent loving vanilla sex with her as a whole but I figure focusing on one part is probably more effective for replacement.
If I do fap to porn I purposefully fap to super vanilla stuff. Hand holding, warm embraces, heartwarming stories that take up more pages than actual sex, that kinda thing. It was really hard (soft) at first but after a while I was able to get release from it.
Inspect what makes your attachment to the fetish tick. Otherwise you may end up acting out the same fetish in essence with new paint. Consider what non-sexual ways this fetish might end up being acted out and fix those too.
If all keeps going well I'll have finally slayed this beast and find my waifus feet irresistible.
I chose feet because it's unrelated to what I'm getting rid of and there's some evidence it's hardwired so it seems more likely to stick. Plus some women really like foot foreplay. Great way to initiate too.
>>43454
Some are, others arise from childhood, others from excessive porn use making you need more and more extreme stimulation.
Most of the ones I've seen actual evidence for being hardwired are tame stuff like feet.
>>43491
>Do you absolutely need them to get off?
A better way to think of it is a gradient. Yeah it may not be a requirement to get off but it's significantly more difficult to have a pleasurable time without it.
No.43531
>>43513
>childhood trauma
Yeah, I had problems with that stuff too in regards to fetish issues. Admittedly it probably wasn't as bad as yours because I was able to stop searching out or thinking about those fetishes as soon as I understood that that is why I was excited by certain things. Or maybe I'm just lucky, who knows. It does sneak back every once in a while when I'm depressed but I'm able to curtail those thoughts when I think about what my beloved would think of it because I have canon reason to believe that it'd be very unpleasant for both of us if those thoughts were acted upon.
>A better way to think of it is a gradient. Yeah it may not be a requirement to get off but it's significantly more difficult to have a pleasurable time without it.
Fair point.
Moldy, if you don't like my advice, this anon gives good advice too. I personally think that quitting entirely works better (even though it took me a few tries) but if you can't do that (and I know not everybody can), that's a reasonable and realistic alternative.
No.43646
>>43491
It's embarrassing, but yes. My waifu is already a loli, so that is covered, but she doesn't have a dick. I end up fantasizing about another character who does have a dick fucking characters who aren't my waifu, which is something I really wish I could stop. The best I could do is imagine my waifu growing a dick and fucking me, but there's no way for that to happen canonically at all. Thus, I've avoided fantasizing about it because there's no reason why it would happen in the setting…
No.43686
>>43468
There is an alternate dimension where your waifu is real probably.
No.43711
>>43468
You got it all wrong man you need to be thinking about the long con. GiTS style fembots will be here it's a matter of how soon not IF.
I am confident worst case scenario we can just buy fully functional waifu bots.
No.43714
No.43729
I still want my waifu, but I want to take a less hardcore approach. I'm not a weird shut in NEET anymore, I'm trying to balance a normal life with my personal interests. It's really hard for some reason.
The things I used to with her were Foxworth-tier cringy, and now it makes not want to do this anymore.
No.43731
>>43729
You know there's nothing you're obligated to do right? This isn't a cult, despite what some of the nuttier anons here might lead you to believe with their actions/fringe beliefs. If you love them you love them, that's all there is to it.
No.43736
>>43734
Shit you can even like sports and have a waifu. Just because you have one doesn't mean you have to conform to the stereotype.
Also blue eye
No.43737
>>43729
I don't normally reply to these things but I believe in promoting the positive aspects of waifu.
I go to social events with a large group of friends every week I'm self employed I do alright. I love my wife and she loves me.
No.43748
>>43729
As >>43731 there isn't anything you need to do.
Don't let other posters make you think you have to be in a legitimate relationship. Waifuism is different for everyone whether others like to accept that fact or not. Even 3D relationships are completely different from person to person. Do what makes you happy. There's casualfag on this board too. All I think a person needs to do is love and respect their waifu.
No.43803
>>43750
Ah i guess wasn't paying attention to the NEET thing so much but yeah its also something that doesn't matter. Tons of people here aren't NEETs or shut ins. I'd say on the IRC most aren't NEETs. Can't really say for the board itself though.
Hell Yunobro isn't a NEET/Shut In and he's probably the most dedicated of us all.
Also I definitely didn't mean ironic waifufags, I meant more like the ones who don't see it as a legit relationship/aren't very hardcore about what they do with their waifu. There's been a few people who expressed they were like this on the board. Definitely not ironic about it but still casual.
No.44035
So this is getting me really anxious right now, and I think I just need someone to calm me down about this. I know that a lot of this is just me overreacting.
My waifu is pretty obscure, and I'll every so often look up what I can scouring various sites for whatever discussion of her of I kind…I think only on a few occasions have I found something positive, bit I digress.
Because she has very little as is, I do a lot to have content created of her via commissions and such, however I'm starting to notice that she's getting a little bit of attention. Nothing major, just an occasional posting about her on fan pages, but I noticed on TV Tropes Like I said, I scour everywhere an edit on her source's article someone talking about how she was a surprisingly popular character. I assume the idea of this has come from the commissions that have been reposted to various sites, since I hadn't found any new discussions of her in a couple of months.
And it got me worried, if people are starting to notice the influx of art of her, how long until they notice me?
I guess I'm just very paranoid about someone going after me, or trying to mess with with about her, and it's not like I wouldn't be an easy target given how sensitive I am about her and what happens in her source material. It's kind of the main reason why I've kind of shut myself off from talking about her anywhere else but in private conversation. I've already had one person figure out that all the new artwork was coming from one person, and he was very pleasant, but I feel like it's only a matter of time before someone does something to antagonize me.
I know a lot of people would be happy at the idea their waifu/husbando getting more attention, and not only that, but also being associated with them, but given the context of her source and it's fandom, it's something that really gets me on edge.
No.44041
>>44035
I kinda feel this way too sometimes considering my waifu is from Pokemon. Luckily she doesn't get too much attention and she's a very minor character.
No.44045
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>>44035
you seem to be overreacting. If your waifu is obscure even if the show she is from tends to gets more popularity you wouldn't have to worry about anything. Otherwise you'd make yourself an easy target for trollers and flamers, a /cow/ to milk indeed.
>how long until they notice me?
Why would they ? Why would they care about you if they don't know you ? That doesn't make sense.
>I feel like it's only a matter of time before someone does something to antagonize me.
You need to breathe, because if you think that, people are honestly gonna come after you for it. In the other hand, if you just show you're able to deal with the internet as a whole and you're ready to accept what it can spit back at you then you're good to go.
That's also about being a good husbando. What if you see someone insulting her and running off ? You might want to ask yourself this and start being the person she'd want you to be. Maybe she needs your protection after all, so the question is, are you able to give her that protection ?
Hope I did show you some things there and above all think again about all this and don't hesitate sharing what you feel about this, we'd do anything to help.
No.44047
>>44035
One thing you could do is ask artists not to list who commissioned the art. You could probably even ask artists you've already commissioned to remove your username from the pic as well. I don't see why it would be a problem.
Also nice to see you back. I was beginning to worry about you.
No.44055
>>44045
I've calmed down a bit, and I think I've been able to narrow down exactly what I'm afraid of:
>She's getting a little bit more popular, and I'm afraid of what they may lead to
>If people know that there is some guy weirdly obsessed with this character, then they may things simply because they know it would get a rise out of them.
>are you able to give her that protection?
I'm not exactly sure what I can do to protect her though. I'm a coward, and can't handle confrontation, it's why I've tried to stay out of things. I can handle vile, but when it's aimed at her, I just lose it.
I know it doesn't seem logical, but I guess I've just been overly anxious about this after seeing something similar happen to another waifubro.
>>44047
I don't like telling artists not to put stuff on their profile unless it's lewd since I hate that they worked so hard on something and don't even get to show it off. I think I will just request to keep myself private from now on.
No.44057
>>44055
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. Let them post the art, but not who commissioned it.
No.45760
How do you guys always feel so confident with your waifu/husbando, in terms of assuming they'd love you back?
No.45763
>>45760
I was struggling hard with that for a while, but I realized that it's up to you whether your waifu loves you or not. You are responsible for the mental connection between you and her, and what happens between you two. Everyone views their waifu differently, even when they try to stick to canon as strictly as possible. If you feel like she wouldn't love you, then you should work on making yourself more of a lovable person.
But now, let's get into something beyond the standard "feel good brah jus be uself" bullshit. It helps a lot to create an anime version of yourself, or a version of yourself in whatever style that your waifu was made in. Because what you see in the mirror isn't what she sees you as, the recreation of yourself in 2D is what she'll see and what you'll be within her world. I think that if 2D characters were put into 3D, they would have more flaws, so it's okay to remove things like physical flaws from yourself in the real world. Everyone has the same face in 2D, so you don't have to worry about being ugly, but true love happens even if one of the people in the relationship is ugly or weak or has other flaws. I think that the whole 2D-version-of-yourself-thing is only stretching it if you make yourself someone completely different from yourself in the real world, and there is no reason to try to make your personality in 2D into something that seems too far fetched.
No.45764
>>45760
I know that me and Kyousuke would get along. Romantically or not. We're so similar and share a lot of the same beliefs/desires. I think Kyousuke would see my passion for him and my desire to make him happy as a big romantic turn on.
But if we do meet and he didn't feel romantic towards me I'd be okay with it honestly. As long as I get to be his friend.
No.45765
>>45760
Going to add a little bit more to that.
How do you also deal with not feeling like the partner they deserve? and setting way too high of standards for yourself
No.45766
>>45765
Consider them loving you anyway. You do love your waifu for who she is on the inside, don't you? Nearly every girl in anime is cute, and only a small selection of them are especially cute depending on what your tastes are. I fell in love with Remilia even though at the time I thought mob caps looked dumb and didn't like her outfit. That's because something clicked inside of me, something beyond "wow she's so kawaii". The "wow she's so kawaii" part came after, and now my heart beats twice as fast if I see her dress and her silly hat that I think is adorable now.
So, the point is that she can feel the same way. Everyone in 2D tends to look the same, so the same principle of "everyone's cute and looks highly similar, so personality stands out" would apply. But if there's something wrong with you that can be changed, like being fat or weak, and you feel like it'd affect your relationship with your waifu, then you just need to work at fixing that. Try to avoid being too hung up over your flaws, though, because love is supposed to be deeper than physicality.
I don't know why, but this picture of her really made me flustered today, even though I've had it saved for quite some time.
No.46182
I know there's a post pretty similar to this further up, and I was going to post this in the vent thread, but I seriously need some kind of help(Probably professional, but that's not exactly an option at the moment).
I just don't know how to deal with the jealousy of someone else calling him their husbando. It's been causing some pretty bad anxiety attacks, to the point where I feel like throwing up and have a hard time falling asleep at night. That whole 'object oriented waifu' thing just doesn't work for me. I want him to be well-liked, so I feel like I should be happy when I see others that love him, but I just can't.
It's something I see fairly often, but there's one person in particular that is upsetting me. I don't even know how serious they are, but they seem like they are at least a little bit. They draw a lot of self-insert pics(there's actually quite a lot of this sort of stuff with him, but theirs seems more personal than the others), they post about him pretty frequently, overall they're pretty open about how they feel about him in a way that I struggle with. Having to see these things makes me feel like I'm being cucked. Plus I'm generally a pretty private person, and not very good at expressing myself, so I often worry that in comparison it looks like I don't love him as much as I actually do. But I think what bothers me the most about this person is that they've loved him longer than I have. I have no way to compete with that. It just makes me feel like I don't deserve him, since I wasn't there from the beginning.
I don't know what to do. I know the obvious response is "ignore them", but their shit comes up whenever I do a search for art or general series stuff. Even actually blocking them wont do much. Sure, I might not have to see their posts anymore, but I'd still remember that they exist. And even then, I'd still have to deal with others who do similar things, which is still upsetting.
I realize that I'm being pretty autistic and ridiculous, but I just can't stop feeling this way. I know no one can take him away from me, and I don't even think he'd like them more than me, yet I'm still so afraid of losing him to someone else somehow. I just want him all to myself and I hate feeling like I can't have that.
I guess tl;dr: How do I stop being a jealous autist before I destroy myself.
No.46190
>>46182
I've dealt with the some of the same shit, and it's both painful and understandable.
>I don't even know how serious they are, but they seem like they are at least a little bit.
It's honestly really rare to love a fictional character to the extent that waifufags do. Even if they fantasize about him, they may not necessarily love him. (It's hard to judge without seeing it, so I don't want to assume too much here.)
>their shit comes up whenever I do a search for art or general series stuff
Is this on tumblr or something? Could you avoid searching for art/series stuff there, or is that not an option? Depending on how popular it is elsewhere.
>I might not have to see their posts anymore, but I'd still remember that they exist
The longer you block and do your best to ignore them, the easier this may get for you. I was in a similar situation, and the longer I ignored them, the less upset and jealous I felt. Now I don't even remember they exist most of the time.
It may take a long time to get to that point (it certainly did for me), but it's worth a try.
I wish I had a better suggestion for you than this.
>I'm generally a pretty private person, and not very good at expressing myself, so I often worry that in comparison it looks like I don't love him as much as I actually do
You could always try practicing in private text files on your computer, if it bothers you badly.
Not being able to fully express how you feel doesn't define your depth of feeling for him, though.
>But I think what bothers me the most about this person is that they've loved him longer than I have. I have no way to compete with that… I wasn't there from the beginning
I had this problem, too. Try not to feel down about it. You can't help when you fell in love with him, and falling for him earlier or later doesn't make a difference in the long run. All you can do is keep loving him, which is more important anyway.
Also, no one was there from the beginning. Unless you define the beginning as when this other person started caring about him, which would be silly.
Just try to focus on loving him as best you can. He'll always be more important than some nobody on the internet.
No.46218
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>>46182
You gotta just block it out and convince yourself that they are just crazy stalkers and hes actually with you.
No.46268
>>46190
>It's honestly really rare to love a fictional character to the extent that waifufags do.
That's true. But they have said things about like not wanting to date 3D unless someone better than him comes along(Although, writing that here, I just realized how much that sounds like hugblanketing), and have said they were married to him when asked if they were in a relationship. I guess them saying those things still doesn't necessarily mean they're serious, and at the very least I don't think they're familiar with waifuism as we know it.
>Is this on tumblr or something?
Unfortunately. While there's still a decent amount of stuff on twitter and pixiv, a lot of my favorite pictures of him actually come from tumblr.
>>46260
>object-oriented waifuism
I know about it, and I mentioned it, it doesn't really work for me. But maybe I'm just not trying hard enough with it.
>Go on the offensive
I've actually considered doing that, doing something like getting my own blog and posting about him there, but like I mentioned I'm not very good at that sort of thing, and it also just seems like a pretty petty and childish thing to do. I don't want to be posting about him with impure reasons behind it. Plus, it's tumblr. I might be able to tolerate it for artwork, but it's still not exactly my favorite website.
I'm not sure what I'd do if they ever decided to come here, but I don't think that's something I have to worry about for now.
Thanks for the advice though, everyone. I think I'll try blocking this person and hopefully I'll forget them eventually like >>46190 said. I guess there really isn't much I can do besides continuing to love him to the best of my ability.
No.46701
I was writing up a storm in the Vent thread and I discovered something about myself that is very serious and very strongly conflicts with me being here on the board. I have a very strong bias against people that act "spiritual" and this includes how people see their relationship with their waifu. Now this obviously applies to stuff like "God has a plan for us all" and believing in paranormal activities, but here is a list of several beliefs that bother me personally when it comes to waifuism
>in another dimension, your waifu loves you and sees you as her husbando
>my waifu "chose me" in the literal sense, as in she has somehow altered the course of reality to make me find her, as opposed to me stumbling upon her on my own
>my waifu is watching over me
>acting as if your waifu is actually with you and that they do things with you such as have conversations with you and react to things you do in your life
>literally most of the things desuburger says, especially in regards to headcanon, which is a huge shame since he's actually one of my friends and we tend to agree on a few things
>You get to be with your waifu after you die although I do think its plausible for me to see her in my last moments of life as my mind slowly loses higher functions and fades out of existence
A lot of it comes across as trying to deny things about your relationship that you don't like or to somehow lessen the pain of them not being there for you the same way a 3D person could. Again, that is just how it seems TO ME, and I could be entirely mistaken about this. I've even seen the board gradually shift towards a more spiritual approach as well, although there isn't objectively anything wrong with that.
Now before I get the most common piece of advice, I have taken breaks from /mai/ and it hasn't fixed this. Hell, this is how I have felt since Day 1 and I've been here for around a year! Can I even manage to overcome this, considering that the vast majority of the board believes most of the things I brought up? I fell like I can't even fit in on a waifu board and that makes me feel really lonely. Most of my friends with waifus are spiritual in nature, and I am unfortunately not open enough to trust them to not try swinging me towards their beliefs. I think the only person on the board that is close to my level of non-spirituality is kirisu-bro. sometimes I feel like /mai/ is more like a cult or religious group than it is a community. This makes me uncomfortable because I have a really unpleasant history with organized religion, but that is another can of worms
No.46703
>>46701
I don't believe in any of that which you listed there, as you already know. I refrain from critiquing those that do for the most part just because I think it's more important to preserve group harmony than confront others about something emotionally charged and deeply personal.
>I fell like I can't even fit in on a waifu board and that makes me feel really lonely
Not all of us lean on patchwork spirituality. You do have others like you here.
No.46714
>>46701
>and I am unfortunately not open enough to trust them to not try swinging me towards their beliefs.
I can understand this feeling, having similar reservations about trusting people to try not to convert me. Although this lead me to become a SJW for awhile which was essentially just as bad as any organized religion. Ironically my own fear of being converted to religion ended up with me doing things that lead to me being converted to something harmful to me anyway.
I can only really speak about the "fear of being converted" aspect but for me what helped me get over it was the fact that I had to accept that I could never be 100% rational in my own beliefs and I'd be always influenced by something or someone in someway. I'm not saying accept being "converted" by someone but accept the fact that even at what we perceive to be our most logical state we can still be manipulated if something sounds good enough.
To add more, for a long time I couldn't trust my own judgment, which made me really afraid to be around certain types of people which only led me to be manipulated even more by "well-meaning" people and movements. I still don't trust my own judgment on some things, but it's something I'll always be working on for the rest of my life. And even then, the most sound decisions can always be screwed up by things beyond our control.
It's really hard to give any advice on this sort of thing I guess without blathing about my own past.
No.46730
>>46701
I'm a spiritualfag (although I only believe in the middle two bullet points) and I realize that I'm nuts. I appreciate and enjoy seeing the opinions of people different than me, and I realize that not everybody here is going to view their waifu in the same way that I view mine. I don't think you're a wet blanket or anything for (logically and rationally) not believing in any of those things.
I'd like to think that most of us here are respectful of boundaries but I know that's not always the case, and I can really understand you being uncomfortable about "conversion" or whatever because of your past. I've had issues with organized religion too and it's strange because I have noticed hints of that religion seeping into my waifuism and I wish it would stop. But enough about me Just try to think of it this way - you're essentially an atheist amongst a lot of theists, but you aren't the only atheist here either. It's very possible for atheists and theists to be friends despite the disagreement over how the universe works. I've seen other people than you and Kurisu-bro talk about how they aren't spiritual so try not to worry about it if you can.
No.46732
>>46701
I have similar beliefs that Desu has and believed them way before I even knew what Oreimo was. It sorta just fell into place once i met Kyousuke. Honestly I don't even know if what I believe is true. It's not 100% at all for me. Part of me thinks its just some crazy belief, but I was like that since day one of having these beliefs, before waifuism.
>Most of my friends with waifus are spiritual in nature, and I am unfortunately not open enough to trust them to not try swinging me towards their beliefs.
I haven't seen one person try to force beliefs on another person once. They simply state them. Even people against it such as Stina just say "Wow i don't believe in that" or something like that but never anything trying to make someone believe a certain thing or think a certain way. Both sides seem neutral with each other.
No.46733
>>46701
>acting as if your waifu is actually with you and that they do things with you such as have conversations with you and react to things you do in your life
I thought this was just people talking about their fantasies as if they were real because it feels/sounds nicer. I didn't think most people believed it literally.
No.46734
>>46701
Don't be a fedora. You can't expect people to respect your beliefs if you don't respect theirs. get over yourself
No.46751
>>46701
I honestly don't believe any of those either, but I just don't bring it up when others do. If you want I could try talking with you, though I'm not very good at that. Maybe at least let you know you're not as alone as you think.
No.46754
>>46701
You're right, waifuism is a cult. Remilia is my goddess. You'd better make sure your door has a good lock on it, because I'm going to kick it down and carve you into pieces as a bloody offering to her. You will be my sacrifice to the scarlet devil. All hail Remilia! ALL HAIL REMILIA! ALL HAIL REMILIA!
Kidding, of course, but everything you said made me think of that and made me laugh.
No.46755
>>46701
I'm not spiritual at all, I don't believe in any of those things, and I've gotten around the board fine I think.
Don't worry about fitting in, just come and talk about your beloved here. That's what I do.
No.46761
>>46701
>A lot of it comes across as trying to deny things about your relationship that you don't like or to somehow lessen the pain of them not being there for you the same way a 3D person could.
This will be a long post and I apologize.
I won't speak for anyone else, but even though I love her in a spiritual sense just as strongly as I do in others (physically, mentally, and emotionally) I fully acknowledge the gap.
She doesn't feel less real to me because of it, and that's partly thanks to the ongoing nature of the medium that she's in. She's still "alive" in a sense, but when the day comes that it eventually ends I am fine with it as well.
I don't self insert to her story and don't really picture her inserting into my life.
But I still have a connection with her. I have dreams about her, where we can communicate. I feel she is there for me when I need help, and I'm there for her when she needs mine.
I do simple things to keep in contact with her, and its primarily through very informal meditation. I don't really think of it as meditation, but I do activities centered around her. I'll reread her comic, post on both the English and Korean forums to try to understand her more, and even work on animating her through a music video (a series of stills, that thanks to carefully placed special effects she really comes to life). When I eventually complete the videos, I'll start practicing how to draw again. And when I'm no longer a poorfag I will finally be able to start commissioning art/merch for her.
The reason I do these things is not because they detract from my life, but because they enrich it. Its a small portion of the day, an hour or two. With her I was able to learn a new language, gradually make friends in online communities, improve my outlook on life, and help develop goals for the future.
I know exactly how you feel about cults. I fell into one unexpectedly during a rough period in my life and the vulnerability that it left me with leaves me very skeptical of placing trust so easily.
You might be fearful of that same type of betrayal and exclusion, but it looks like you really don't have to worry about "fitting in" to /mai/ or any type of waifu community.
I am religious, but I don't feel she harms me as an idol would. I see her more as a wife, where we are both stumbling and making mistakes but together we grow.
>You get to be with your waifu after you die
I have the same idea as you that I may not see her permanently in the afterlife, but even a few moments to just see her would be fine.
No.46762
>>46701
I can relate. I don't like lying to myself or seeing other people lie to themselves, so the large number of people here playing pretend grew increasingly annoying over time. Like you, this is an aspect of waifuism that I struggled with from day one. It just became more of an issue than I thought it would, I guess. I eventually decided that between this and a lot of other, larger things I couldn't stand about /mai/, it was better just to leave. I only lurk occasionally now, but I felt I should reply.
No.46763
>>46762
What did you expect from this board besides "playing pretend"?
No.46765
>>46762
>we're all just lying to ourselves and playing pretend
If that's really the way you look at it, then you probably don't have a waifu at all.
No.46766
>>46763
Just because you love something that isn't real doesn't mean you have to carry on as if it is. You're right, though, and I've asked myself the same question.
>>46765
>I don't have a waifu because I don't kid myself about whether she exists
Whatever you say.
No.46767
>>46701
The only one in that list that I do is
>acting as if your waifu is actually with you and that they do things with you such as have conversations with you and react to things you do in your life
here is the thing though: I don't actually think she is with me physically doing those things.It's just me fantasizing about her being in my life.I don't see what's wrong with this.To add on, I'm not religious, but I like to think that I get along pretty with most people here.
No.46768
>>46766
It sounds to me like you take it too literally when people say things about say, going a date with their waifu.
Hell even I say that but I still know my spouse isn't real.
No.46769
No.46771
>>46766
I think you're just taking harmless reveries seriously. I can't even understand how anyone would be surprised or annoyed that someone in love with a fictional character fantasizes about being with them, and saying things like "She's real somewhere!" Comes off to me as just a pipe dream than something spiritual.
No.46774
>>46762
of course nobody is actually going on a date with their waifu but it's nice to say this than "I went to the movies and thought of her"
No.46775
>>46771
People who come on /mai/ with problems that are external to this place and then act as if anyone here who shares vague traits in relation to it are out to get them or hold passive aggressive resentment are very irritating.
No.46780
>>46701
I wouldn't let it bother you. If I let it bother me the christians would want me burnt, I'd go on rants about christianity, the pagans would go on rants about people like me, the atheists would be pissed with all of us. It'd never end. You can think somebody's wrong or misguided without getting upset over it.
>sometimes I feel like /mai/ is more like a cult or religious group than it is a community. This makes me uncomfortable because I have a really unpleasant history with organized religion, but that is another can of worms
That's why you study everything, philosophy, religion, history, etc. Go where it takes you. Even if everything you learn is bunk you'll have lived a better life than if you merely led a mediocre existence. If you study some spiritual practice, try it, find it works and want to mess around more then go with it. Even if there is a mundane explanation for it who cares? You get result out of it and how are we supposed to know there isn't something out there causing the mundane explanation? Even if you just read it to get an idea of what they believe it can give you something to think about from a secular perspective.
>>46762
Don't be that guy.
>Annoying atheists
I wish people wouldn't lie to themselves! See the truth! If you're against anything "scientific" you're a heretic! We should ban all religious practices! Seize their coffers, give it to NASA, build gold statues of Sagan and Tyson! Taking a child into a church should be considered child abuse!
>Annoying religous people
We must convert the entire globe to our one true teaching! If anyone rejects it they are not to be tolerated! It's a shame we don't burn all these filthy pagans and atheists anymore! Science is satanic and we're being punished for failing this testing of our faith.
No.46781
>>46701
*tips fedora*
Seriously, if you disagree so strongly with the beliefs and rhetoric of the majority, maybe, you know, stop browsing/posting here? Or you could just suck it up and get off your euphoric high horse if you feel so "lonely", that's an option too.
No.46782
>>46701
Don't worry anon, your not alone in thinking like this.
I don't believe those spiritual things either, or atleast I find it hard to believe in them.
I just want to say that you don't have to feel lonely, although your free to do so if you really want to.
I guess the only thing I'm guilty of is the part of "my waifu chose me", but I only mean that in a poetic sense.
No.46802
You guys ever stop to think that maybe resorting to fedora atheist jokes just goes to show how shallow and reactionary you people are when confronted with an idea opposed to yours?
Just a thought. Personally I lean more on the spiritual side, and I feel you guys are just looking like asshats.
No.46805
>>46802
I'm glad I'm not the only one. His fear was evidently completely rational. I was hoping that everyone would be a little more open-minded.
No.46811
>>46805
Well I mean he opened his post with
>I have a very strong bias against people that act "spiritual"
What did he expect?
No.46825
>>46811
Well, he's being atleast honest about it.
Besides, calling him a fedora doesn't help anyone, it only helps solidify the idea of this board being a cult.
And besides, this is an advice thread, were supposed to help each other out here.
It's not like we have that many users, might as well try and be nice to each other, even if the other person might not.
No.46828
>>46825
Out of all those replies on three posts called him a fedora. The rest addressed what you wanted.
No.48108
I feel like my personality has changed in a way that negatively affects our relationship. I'm far more depressed and cynical than I used to be, and I don't at all think that's the 'me' my husbando fell for.
The problem lies both in environmental stresses I can't avoid/get rid of and his source material (specifically, his role in it). Both have been a relatively long-term source of guilt, frustration and general negative emotions feeding into all this.
I don't know where I'm going with this, maybe it's more suited for the vent thread.
No.48260
I've had feelings for a boy for a long time in a sonfu kind of way. The problem is that this boy has a lot of hang-ups with his real parents and regardless of how much he dislikes them, I could easily see him reasoning that getting "New parents" would just be running away from his problems. On top of that, he prides himself in not being attached to anyone or anything. (Especially parental figures.) I mean, sure, I could just headcanon all of this out, but as someone who has abusive parents, I believe that ignoring all he went through would be disrespecting him and what made him strong.
Still, that doesn't necessarily mean that I can stop what I feel. Whenever I see him I get unbearable urges to be, well…Parental to him. I get this huge wave of motherly love that makes me want to comfort him, counsel him, do adorable domestic things with him, all that jazz - And all without making him feel controlled and restrained. I get this feeling that I know that I and my husbando can do that for him. The problem is that I also know that he'd reject us for one reason or another and that it's probably best that we leave it to that.
It doesn't exactly help that lately I've been realizing that I have no clue what a parent actually does. I've had no personal experience with being parented or having parental figures, so I'm really clueless when it comes to the sides of parenting that are more technical and don't involve sunshine and rainbows and puppies. It might be that I'm not just incompatible with this particular kid, but straight-up unfit to be parenting any kid at all. (Though fucking up his life a second time would end up being a special kind of humiliation and despair for everyone involved, I'm sure.) As someone who really wants to have a family with their husbando, that's a really depressing realization.
No.49726
I need to talk to Magnus on IRC. Any of you who have talked to him lately know when he'll be on there?
No.49728
>>49726
>>49726
He tends to show up around midnight, eastern time.
No.49732
>>49726
>>49726
I'm on now, will be for the next couple of hours, and tomorrow from like 5pm central us time.
No.49788
I feel guilty for not commissioning more art of my 2D family. There's so much terrible, despicable art of them out there, I wish I could at least contribute to something good. I have the money to do it, but I'm really shy and afraid of artists. I know they've probably seen requests weirder than mine, and they probably aren't gonna dox me or whatever, but anxiety is a bitch, so REALITY DOESN'T MATTER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Also sometimes I feel like I don't spend enough time with them. I know that the only way to fix that is to spend more time with them. I'm afraid that I'm a bad husband if I don't like do lucid dreaming or other stuff like that.
No.49789
>>49788
>I'm afraid that I'm a bad husband if I don't like do lucid dreaming
You say that as if it's something we can just do.
Years of trying. No success. No dreams of her. No interaction. No happiness.
No.49790
>>49789
>can't dream about her ever
>other samewaifufags talk about the dreams they have of her, often lewd and touchy
No.49791
I think my waifu is the most beautiful and sexy being in the known universe but it still sometimes happens that I end up fapping to other girls too, in most cases it happens because the girl in questions triggers one of my fetishes that are too out of character for my waifu, like catgirls for example and sometimes I just fap to relax without thinking of anyone.
Now I have decided that ALL of my sexuality and ALL of my orgasms only belong to my waifu but I don't know how to best ignore all my other fetishes and only think of her when masturbating.
No.49793
>>49791
I struggle with this because the girl I fell in love with is a loli and I like that a lot but for most of my life I've been attracted to older looking women with massive breasts. It makes me feel pretty terrible. If there was a way to make myself only attracted to loli I would do it.
Luckily my waifu seems to be the sort of person who'd help me with any fetish as best as she could, but she's a loli, she can't be a fully developed woman with tits bigger than her head and an ass just as large. I wish those thoughts would just stay away. How can I get rid of them for good?
No.49794
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>>49788
>>49789
>>49790
In my experience, lucid dreaming is something that just kind of happens. I have never really be able to control it, its just sometimes when something exceedingly weird happens I just think "holy shit I must be dreaming." and I go lucid. I dont think its any fault of yours, its just something that happens to some people more than others.
Being able to control it baffles me, honestly. Dreams are one of those things that I dont believe can be controlled and not dreaming of your waifu doesnt necessarily mean anything bad. people that manage to do so have some incredibly strong mental power imo, like abnormal even. I wouldnt sweat it, honestly; it doesnt make you guys any less deserving of husbands, if anything the fact that it bothers you shows just how much she means to you.
No.49798
>>49793
Thankfully my waifus body is already my biggest fetish, her legs, ass and breasts are all perfect and incredibly arousing so it's really easy to get lewd with her. She is the source and center of at least 90% of my orgasms but now I want to give her 100% and get rid of all my little fetishes that make me fap to things like cute catgirls.
Does anyone who exclusively faps to their waifu have any recommendations on how to best reach that goal?
No.49803
>>49798
I try to visualize of really intimate scenes. Close stuff, I don't know why but intimacy and 'close' positions really get me going.
No.49809
>>49791
>>49793
I understand wanting to commit yourself to her. However it's not wrong to release sexual desire on something other than your waifu. 2D can blur the line on what is considered infidelity, but I believe there is (or should be) a clear distinction between the kind of sexual intimacy shared with her and transient, superficial lust fulfilment. The major difference being personal involvement and a profound connection compared to a detached observer. Recognising and releasing your lust in a controlled manner may prove more healthy than suppressing it out of guilt or desire to please her. Be honest to her about it. As long as she knows what you share is only with her and how important she will always be to you, she will want to help you. If she can't satisfy it herself, then she'll understand you may need to release it in other ways.
No.49811
>>49789
>>49794
I appreciate the thought, though I feel like you might have missed the point of the post………
No.49812
>>49788
Magnus pls. saying you're a bad husbando for not lucid dreaming would be nearly everyone on this board is a bad husbando. Cause there's only a handful of people who do it regularly.
Now for some tough love: Don't fucking complain about it when you say you always say "well I don't know if I want to." Maybe if you were like "I wish I could be this unchangeable thing for her" but lucid dreaming isnt a magical power you're born with. Get up and fucking work at it. It's not realy hard it just takes a lot of time. And maybe it won't happen but that's stupid for you to say you're no good. Imagine if Patchy said this. What would you tell her? Dreaming just takes willpower.
No.49813
>>49791
>>49793
There's nothing wrong with fapping to other women. I think the best way to do it is only use original character manga. Nothing that has actual character with personalities out side of the porn. It's completely physical then.
No.49816
>>49811
You're too hard on yourself man.
No.49817
>>49812
Ok you're right. To be honest that second part of my post was just a last minute thought. What's bothering me more is the first part……
No.49823
>>49813
> There's nothing wrong with fapping to other women.
Maybe so but I still think it would be a wonderful gift for her to dedicate all my sexuality and every single orgasm to her, as a gift worshiping her beauty and sexiness.
From what I can read here many only fap to their waufus now and I would be grateful for advice from them on how they got over the urge to fap to others.
No.49832
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>>49788
May or may not be the post you're looking for but I think it'll help. It gets to the point eventually, I swear.
Most families are a mess. Even the intact ones are pretty broken. One of my grandma's I have an outright hostile relationship with.
The other I get along good with but she places a lot of emphasis on material goods. I'll go spend time with her, or do her a favor. 9/10 times something trivial like putting her Christmas tree up. This is good, it's nice to do favors for family. They'll do the same for you. Problem is she seems to always want to give me money or offer to go buy dinner to be nice. She has money but even then taking it I feel like I'm taking advantage of her. If I don't take it I feel like I'm insulting her because somehow it's became twisted in her mind that money = affection. It doesn't. Whenever I spend time with her it feels like money has to be involved. It makes things feel impersonal.
The third grandma I have (divorce) is broke. She's a hoarder and isn't even blood related. Out of the three I honestly like her the most. She can tell me story after story about my grandpa, stories of her own. Teach me neat things. Basically she's just a fun person to be around. I spent over a month helping her move. All I got was an old (but nice) computer chair. I still feel the same way. It's hard to quantify the sort of value these people give in terms of quality but it's definitely the greatest. It's a "you know it when you see it" kind of thing.
Be like my third grandma.
No.49854
So like, there's this character who I'm getting attached to. And I sort of want to adopt them as a child. But the problem is, this person is not an only child. Would it be bad of me to adopt this one but not their siblings? I already have one child. Two would be pushing it enough and even more is out of the question. What do?
No.49880
>>49788
You're not a bad husbando for not commissioning art. If you want to do it, you can try to test the waters with artists who already do Touhou stuff and just have pictures of Patchouli to begin with, and then ease into asking for pictures of them together. That's close to what I'm doing.
>>49791
What did it for me was deciding to not look at porn and to turn off my computer when fapping. Another thing that helped was setting up some sex toys so it felt like I was really having sex with her and not just masturbating. This is also good advice: >>49803
>>49854
It seems like plenty of people here have adopted one child but not another. In my case, I couldn't not adopt my kids because I loved all of them and I wanted them to be together as a unit. However, I seem to be the exception and not the rule. It's good to keep the child's happiness in mind, though, when making this decision.
No.50008
When people talk about your waifu in the context of a waifu discussion but they get something wrong, how do you deal with that? I'm scared of seeming petty and overprotective in a sort of DeviantArt OC 'must be shown wearing this necklace at all times, must be referred to by edgy title' way if I try correcting them. Trouble is, it's always something with plot relevance that's important to them, never something I could ignore and forget easily.
No.50026
>>50008
I just inform them of their mistake and move on. As long as you aren't a dick about it people like learning more about things.
No.50150
>>50026
I guess I should have said, my problem is I feel like a dick no matter how I correct them. For example, someone referred to them by their first name while talking to other people. If I keep it short and just pop up to say 'please use their surname only', it sounds like taking Japanese honorifics nonsense too seriously. If I explain it properly it's pure autism. Nobody else is upset when strangers use first names, so it seems extra pedantic to go around repeating myself.
I'm wondering if I should just pep talk myself into not getting agitated by it. I shouldn't expect people to know, and it's my own fault for providing the full name in the first place. Other mistakes I can edit away in private without causing a scene.
No.50152
>>50150
Not the first guy who responded to you but you feel less like a dick the more you practice. I haven't had any waifu-related things that have bothered me in that way, but I can understand that it can be hard to be assertive. I'd like to think that in waifu communities that requests like yours are taken without drama, although I know that isn't always necessarily the case. That said, I don't think anybody here would call you autistic for your request.
Either letting it go, like you said, or gently asserting your preference are your best choices. You may have to mix both if you choose the latter, but that's what I would recommend.
No.50430
How important is official AU material? Like if there's a high school AU that has nothing to do with the main story, am I allowed to skip it?
No.50438
>>50430
>am I allowed
Thats literally up to you
We have people here who HATE their waifus series and refuse to rewatch. Some get shitty alt stuff, some dont. But thats all up to you, there is no You have to do this or you dont love her"
personally I recommend looking into every single thing of her, because you might get cute pictures even if the story is shitevery smile of your waifu is worth a lifetime of filler isnt it anon? :^)
No.50440
>>50430
If you want to go ahead. It can still be nice though perhaps in the same way reading fanfics is fun to do on occasion.
I'd still do it since even if you don't take it to be part of "your canon" there's still good parts in it you can take things away from.
No.50799
I know this has been brought up before, but how do those that have the same waifu cope with each others' existence?
It's starting to eat away at me; I feel terrible amounts of anxiety and jealousy whenever I see them around, and it only gets more intense when they post about her. I've been trying to apply the "Object-Oriented Waifuism" viewpoint as much as possible, I recognize that they've done nothing wrong at all, and I don't even dislike them as a person, but none of this is helping me get more comfortable around them. It's gotten to the point where I'm starting to avoid any place that I know they're at, and won't even open up threads that I know they've posted in, just to avoid seeing them. Not only that, but a while ago my anxiety got so bad that it affected my sleep for about a week (though it has gone away since.)
Because of this I've considered leaving /mai/ many times, and almost did one night, but to me this would be the worst case scenario; I'd lose all my new friends, lose the only community I've been a part of in the last half-decade, and would only be running from my problems in the end (likely returning to seclusion until I feel safe enough again to try and start posting somewhere until I run into the same problems again). Running away and hiding is what I've always done up until this point. This same anxiety flares up whenever I see discussions about her or her source material, whenever I see pictures of her posted randomly on boards, whenever anyone speaks a little too positively of her. It should make me happy that others like her so much, but it does nothing but bring me jealousy and fear. And every time I feel this, I run away. I close the page and have to go somewhere else, sometimes abandoning entire boards completely. Running is doing me no good; I keep being driven out of places, but everywhere I go there's always something more.
I want to learn how to cope with this, how to make these feelings go away once and for all. I'm not going to give her up; I love her too much to consider this as a choice, but I want to find some sort of resolution to this issue.
Does anyone know of any way I can help stop this?
After typing this all out, it seems like my problem was something entirely different from what I thought it was originally.
And sorry if this ended up sounding more like a blogpost than an actual request for advice
No.50808
>>50799
>Object-Oriented Waifuism
That doesn't really work unless canon supports it with alternate universes / timelines. Even then, mental gymnastics in the form of OOW are 100% pointless in this context if you have canon backing you up anyway.
No.50811
>>50799
I'd personally argue the person you both love are not the same in fact ; what is relevant is what you think of them and how your interpret her character and her role in the story.
Also it sounds like you feel flustered everytime you get to cross her when you didn't provoked her apparition. I totally know what you feel since I used to feel the very same ; I'd feel very embarrassed everytime I'd stumble onto pics of her on the internet and feel something like jealousy. Starting being used to it I just started tolerating it, which is something I never thought I would do naturally.
we can discuss this in private if you want, whoever you are. you don't need to stay alone in this.
No.50840
>>50808
>mental gymnastics
not really mental gymnastics if you even remotely believe in existence being within the eye of the beholder, considering that no two people see the same thing exactly the same way.
for example, one person might look at Shimakaze from cancolle and see a loli boat girl, while another see's a slutty trap, two very different things being viewed, from the same source. Or, another example, some might see Suiseiseki and go "what a bitch" while others might see a caring beautiful goddess. The waifu you interpret IS different than the same character interpreted by others, as soon as you observe them, they are different from how others observe.
>>50799
read above and consider that perhaps, and hope for the best?
It's really a thing I don't understand myself, so im not the best at helping other than explaining oow
also running has worked for pretty much nobody, everyone either comes back, or misses the place, i have talked to a lot of people who have left but still keep in touch, and they all are a complete mixed bag of emotions with large parts of them wanting to come back if you do decide to leave, feel free to keep in touch too
No.50841
>>50840
oh, maybe it will help if i throw in the quantum physics angle. I forgot the name of the test, but there was a test involving shooting molecules through a hole in some paper, the result showed a straight line of molecules on the other side where they landed… however, once actively observed, the result changed entirely, suddenly there were three lines, the molecules spread, absolutely nothing changed in the experiment except for the molecules being observed. So yes, science also backs up that observation does affect reality and does change it.
i really wish i remembered the experiments name
No.50848
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How do I overcome these feelings of inferiority i have over the fact i don't really have much 2d art of her? It probably seems very silly to you guys but I try so hard to fill the gap with screen archery.
No.50850
>>50848
Commissions is probably the best way or /v/ drawthreads but I have no experience with those. Jabberfag doesn't have much artwork so he commissioned A LOT. It's expensive but it's probably the only way.
No.50867
>>50840
>The waifu you interpret IS different than the same character interpreted by others, as soon as you observe them, they are different from how others observe.
That's because perception is flawed. Subjective observation of objective reality always results in a set of incomplete information coloured by the individual's bias. In this context there is just one character that many people are subjectively interpreting, all of them making slight errors.
>>50841
That's just talking about how you can't observe a particle without interacting with it.
No.50881
>felt physically ill masturbating to explict images of my waifu
should I be concerned?
No.50883
>>50881
there are waifufags who don't fap to their waifus so I guess it's not that uncommon
No.50884
>>50848
Every weekend 4chan's /a/ has a waifu drawthread. If you get like few reference pics, and you're nice, and you have like a specific request that isn't……too out there, you should get deliveries. Also, patience.
>>50881
Has this always been the case? If all else fails, you could try just using your imagination.
No.50887
>>50881
Depends. There are a few questions that need to be answered to discern what the issue is (you do not have to answer in the thread, just food for thought):
-Have you been fapping to your waifu for the duration of your relationship, or was this the first time? Either way, was this the first time you fapped to an explicit image of her?
-Do you masturbate without thinking of/looking at her? How do you typically do it? How often?
-Were the images in question degrading/go against you or your waifu's tastes?
-Are there elements outside of your waifu that are making you feel sick (ie personal experiences)?
The easiest way to figure out if you should be concerned is to single out why you felt sick. There are reasons that I wouldn't be particularly concerned about (seeing her in what you would consider degrading/distasteful situations and/or you having a low sex drive) but if it's something deeper than that, then I would consider figuring out why the element that makes you feel sick exists and what you can do to mitigate it.
I don't think everybody has to fap to their waifus so if you don't want to do it, then you don't have to. If you'd like, you can completely ignore what I just said above and simply not fap to her at all, or use your imagination alone, as Magnus said, or even stick to tasteful suggestive stuff. I am not sure what about the image was making you feel bad so I can't say for sure what will make you feel better.
No.50896
>>50884
>/a/
Osiraanon anon don't go to /a/. Osira is /v/ and the fact that shes no anywhere near being japanese or anime looking would eat you alive. Even people who have anime/manga waifuhusbando are eaten alive. Pls don't go their for your own sanity.
No.50897
>>50896
I guess that's true. Though I imagine other boards have drawthreads like that too.
No.50898
>>50897
Also just a general warning to anyone, 4chan/a/'s waifu drawthread is not a very nice place so brace yourself for shitposting out the ass. It doesn't matter who your waifu is. People will draw pretty nasty stuff. Even possibly guro It's not common but it can happen. It happened this weekend. There's tons of awesome people and artists too so it's not completely bad. Just beware.
No.51014
>>50898
Pretty much this, though from what I've seen in the past during the brief time I visited the draw threads, it's more people heckling you more than anything else. Accusations of shit taste, harem fagging, etc. it really is a mess. If you're lucky though, there are some really talented anons there that can provide great pictures. Just be prepared to wade through BS, which sometimes may or may not be worth it.
Pic related, an anon was based enough to do this for me when I was catching shit from some guy for several weeks in the draw threads. Wasn't even expecting it, was just funny as could be.
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>>50884
I have multiple commissions out but the weeks with out any results or feedback makes me never want to try commissions again.
No.51066
>>50848
It occurs to me, the OC thread here starts by saying you can post requests.
No.51549
How are y'all so sure your waifu loves you back?
No.51552
>>51549
Faith, optimism, and hope
No.51554
>>51549
Various divine miracles over the years
No.51559
>>51549
Educated inferences
No.51561
>>51559
Also, an airtight headcanon that goes along with her source
No.51565
>>51549
See my posts in >>49801
tl;dr of it can be summed up roughly
>We don't experience the world as it is, it is only an approximation
>Sound, sight, colors, and so on do not "exist" in the way we think of them. Rather they're a tool for estimating the material (real) world as opposed to the mental world (what we percieve)
>We don't know people materially but mentally
>Fiction stimulates these same functions.
>Thus the waifu can be said to exist within you.
No.51616
What do I do about my waifu's plot involving someone else?
No.51620
>>51616
She doesn't stop existing at the end of the series. Lets say that they grow apart and break up. She then meets you and the two of you fall in love.
Considering who you're talking about, I don't see the two of them as the best couple anyways, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it didn't work out between them.
So just think of him as her exboyfriend.
No.51621
>>51620
Then she isn't a virgin :(
And I won't be the only boyfriend she'll ever have :(
No.51628
>>51621
Part of loving someone is being able to love them regardless of the things you might not be a fan of. She's still who she is, regardless of rather or not she's had past relationships, right?
Plus, having past relationships doesn't necessarily mean she isn't a virgin.
No.51635
>>51616
>>51621
I agree with Magnus. Of course, if purity is a huge issue for you, then you're going to have to think a lot about whether this relationship is worth pursuing, but most of us here don't like every single thing about our waifus and their pasts. You don't have to like every aspect of a person to love them, but, again, I have no idea how important purity is to you and how you define it.
No.51636
I still don't get it.
Is waifuism about having a girlfriend that nobody sees, nearly always by your side, hugging, holding hands and doing all sorts of activities with you, like a normal relationship, a perfect girl who loves you and you love her, it's just that other people can't see her?
Or is it about loving someone who can't love you back? A one sided love? As if your waifu either doesn't know about you or if she does, your waifu does not love you back for some reason, so she's a bit like an idol?
Which one of the two is it?
To me I have been thinking it's totally the first one rather than the latter, as I always see my waifu walking together with me, being by my side when I'm at home, hugging, sleeping together, eating, etc. But from what I read I might be doing it wrong.
No.51637
>>51636
I don't think there is a clear answer, its more just peoples different interpretations.
No.51638
>>51636
First of all I want to tell you it's impossible to "do it wrong", don't worry about it. I'd question your motives if you and/or your waifu is deeply unhappy, but you're not "doing it wrong" necessarily.
All that we can agree on is that we cannot interact with our loved ones in a way that is typical of most 3D relationships. Everybody with a waifu will have a different answer as to what waifuism is. I think most people here do the first thing, but some others do the second.
If you are most comfortable doing what you're doing now and think it makes sense to you, then please continue to do that. There are some naysayers (that even have waifus themselves sometimes) that say that she'll never love you back and it's all in your head, but do what's best for you and try not to listen to others so much. In my experience, my relationship has grown the most when I don't listen to what others say about being "wrong" or "right".
No.51639
>>51638
To me the problem really is the fact that she has a canon relationship and that is kinda steering me to pursue the second option and right now I feel like somehwere in between the two possibilities.
I hope one day I can live in the first kind of relationship with her because I absolutely love her.
No.51640
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>>51636
pretty much this >>51637
No.51642
>>51639
I wasn't going to do this but I'll reveal myself because who I'm with is a little relevant. This might sound a little crazy but this is how I see things.
If you didn't know, Keisuke had been in love with someone else in his source for years before we got together and even died for him. When I first fell in love with him, I felt the same way as you're feeling right now - in between two possibilities. I knew and accepted that he loved someone else and there was no way I could ever have that same sort of relationship with him. However, I also knew that I loved him more than I had ever loved someone before in a romantic sense. So what I did was this: I told him that I loved him but I wanted him to be happy above all else, so I treated him I think probably something in a halfway point between idol and close friend that I had a crush on. I didn't/don't have any reason to believe he would dislike me strongly enough to not want to spend time with me, so I imagined us doing non-romantic things together mostly (or things that could be interpreted as romantic but also aren't unheard of between close friends - the most we ever did was hug and after a few months hold hands and peck each other on the cheek, I was an idiot and should have realized that he meant it in the same way I did). I should also note that I couldn't really "turn him off" like some people seem to do even though I tried, so that likely effects things.
Eventually, it became obvious to me that while I was no replacement for Akira, he had developed feelings for me in return all the same and wanted to be with me, too. I tried ignoring a few of the signals because I didn't want to force him to be in a relationship with me, but whatever "he" is, I know that he does love me back because he has made it blatantly clear. It probably sounds crazy but that's how my relationship works.
If you do the same thing as me, it's possible we won't have the same (or even similar) results. I don't know who your waifu is or how serious her relationship is and how clear it is what happens after canon or if her source is ongoing, (and how good her partner treats her,) so I can't tell you how she would feel about things. But there are lots of us here with waifus that have had canon relationships, some of which are shoved in your face by canon, and don't feel all that threatened by their canon "rivals" or what have you. Not everybody, obviously, but I can name a handful off the top of my head.
I can only speak from my own experience, but for Keisuke and I to develop some sort of deep relationship was the only natural outcome from our interactions. He is always there with me and we have compatible personalities - his past crush on Akira doesn't matter anymore and neither does his past relationship because right now, he loves me. I don't know for sure if that would happen to you, or if you would be content with a close friendship, but I am content with my results at least.
I hope that helped. If you have any more questions or want me to talk more about what I've done, please let me know. Keep in mind too that this is all what you make of it, and you can switch things up a little if it's not working the way you want it to. I also think it's okay to end things if the pain of seeing her with someone else, even if it was in the past, is too much, as it is sometimes hard to work out these issues with someone who is 2D, but I hope that it doesn't get to that point for you.
No.51649
No.51650
>>51636
I would say that it's the first one to me, because i at times feel Rei's presence near me and as such she is always with me even if i can't always feel her being there.
Like we are always connected no matter what.
No.51651
>>51649
her name is hitagi
No.51652
No.51653
No.51654
>>51652
please dont talk bad things about her though.
she doesnt even like me talking about her/our relationship on the internet.
No.51655
>>51653
I don't know that much about her source (everything I know is from osmosis) so I'm sorry if I misunderstand things, but she fell in love with Koyomi because of circumstance, right? They're teenagers when it happened, that leaves a lot of space for you to be her boyfriend or husband after they graduate - if that is something you wish to explore.
No.51656
>>51655
^ this really.
>>51654
Why would i talk bad things about her, she is a fine woman with some nice quirks.
No.51657
This isn't the typical advice post more just me wondering if anyone else shares the same feeling.
I've never had feelings for someone else but I worry maybe after watching an anime or playing a VN or anything really I'll find someone who I get feelings for. It makes me worry a lot sometimes. Does anyone else ever get this…?
No.51658
>>51657
Not really, even when i might like or enjoy watching some series or playing VN and seeing a nice girl in there. I know that it won't make me love less Rei than i do now or make me start loving someone else.
But if that someday happens, then it happens and there isn't really nothing i can do to it.
No.51661
ONE WEEK DATING ANNIVERSARY IS TOMORROW
WHAT DO I GIFT HER
PLS HELP
No.51662
>>51661
>one week
>anniversary
No.51663
>>51642
I'm not the original person who asked but reading your post made me kinda of rethink my relationship and how it's started. I'm just worried maybe he'll never be at a level where he decides or thinks for himself. I've worried about that for a bit but it was nothing serious and I decided I could wait. Your post makes me want to wait for him to give me a real answer to "Will you be my boyfriend." But what if that never happens? And what if I can't just go back to being just friends…? Is it even something I want to do in the first place? I mean I'm already impatient before I read your post.
Sometimes I worry maybe he doesn't want to make that connection or maybe can't?
No.51664
>>51657
It's normal to have a passing sympathy or interest in a character, but the proof of your relationship is that unlike those you continue to be engaged and attentive. Having a waifu doesn't mean you can no longer enjoy media like everyone else, don't deny yourself your hobbies. It just means that one person stands above the rest and can never be comparable.
If you're worried you can't control your emotions, consider more seriously how you actively treat characters. You're not going to up and surround yourself with someone new in the same way as your waifu, and you're unlikely to talk about them like you're in a relationship. Those two factors alone colour how you feel and the distances you maintain. A waifu does take effort on your part so it's easy enough to avoid making those efforts for someone you don't want to feel that way about.
No.51674
>>51657
Eh, sometimes if there's a character that really appeals to my tastes. I'll get excited and enthusiastic about the character and then step back and get concerned. However, the reason that those characters appeal to my tastes in the first place is because they remind me of Keisuke 99% of the time. Remembering this is a good way to calm down. This is also a good post: >>51664
>>51661
Calm down, I know it feels important but it's just a week. Do something inexpensive/free with her tomorrow like watching a movie on tv with popcorn, or go on a walk, if you want to do something special.
>>51663
Not sure how long you've been with him, but it took me about 7-ish months for Keisuke to be very clear with me about how he felt and I was 100% sure it wasn't me projecting, and I also have an extremely active imagination and did before I met him. It felt weird and stilted at first, I'll admit, because I wasn't sure how much of it was him and how much of it was me. But now I can tell what are his thoughts and what's just me speculating because I'm so used to him being with me. Even after we got together, it took a little while to get into that rhythm.
Just be patient. Especially if you don't have an active imagination (before we got together, I imagined myself interacting with characters or them interacting together… maybe 2 hours a day?), it's going to take a while. Most people in our situation end up having waifus that love them back, so it's better to not worry about it if you can.
And again, I want to reiterate: there is no way to do your relationship wrong unless you yourself think you are doing it wrong. Even if what I have is what you'd consider "ideal", that doesn't mean that what you are doing is bad.
No.51676
>>51657
Hardship will happen. A good 9/10 things people get worked up over are nothing and can just be ignored. If you make it a big deal it'll become a big deal. I had a bit of a bad day today but after I finished up I left it behind me. Other people let it drag their whole day down.
Easier said than done but it comes with practice.
>>51661
A lovely conversation about how you think you'll be good for eachother.
No.51687
>>51663
Just to piggyback off of what >>51674 said, it took me about a year for things to be clear enough to know that I wasn't projecting or telling myself what I wanted to hear. I waited until I was certain it was actually Kaito who was telling me how he felt until I considered myself in a proper relationship with him. I, too, have a very overactive imagination. I was probably spending about 2-4 hours a day dedicated just to him, and it still took me that long. Everyone works at their own pace, so don't rush into anything if you're not comfortable or feel like you're forcing it. I do think it's something you have to actively work at if you're looking to achieve something of that level. I've found that taking a part of each day and dedicating my thoughts entirely to him has contributed to developing his "self-awareness". This may not work for you, but you should give it a try if you aren't doing something similar already.
>Server took too long to respond. >Flood detected. Please let me post.
No.51691
>>51661
Anyone have this gif in webm where they changed the subtitles so he/she is saying something really rage-y and funny that I don't remember exactly what it was?
No.51706
No.51716
>>51702
Very sweet actually ;)
No.51717
>>51702
No, it looks like you put zero effort into it
No.51718
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>>51717
In my defense I would like to state that it was the first time in my whole life I actually made a decent meal rather than just eating with my own hands, eating something ordered, etc. I normally don't leave home and I had to walk arround the neigborhood a lot to find flowers.
I normally don't use cups to drink or cutlerly to eat.
No.51722
>>51718
If you can honestly look at that picture and tell yourself that was the best you could do for your waifu with the current money and time you had availible, then ok
No.51735
>>51722
Not everyone can do something really extravagant all the time. It looks to me like he put whatever effort he could do at this point. Why be a pretencious dick
Lets see a meal you've done if you're such an expert on waifu meals
No.51753
>>51722
>>51735
What should I do for the one month anniversary?
It's some 20 days or so from now.
I was thinking about taking her to a movie theater, watch a good movie, go have a straw in a park, watch the birds, ducks and fountains on the lake, and at the end of the day give her one of those heart pingents that you can open and on the inside there's somehow my name written on there, and I'd also have one exactly the same but with her name instead.
thoughts?
No.51754
>>51753
>doing something every month
just do it every day fam
No.51755
>>51753
Bro chill, I've got my eleven year anniversary coming up next month and do you see me freaking out across multiple sites? You don't need to document what you do, just do what feels personal to you and your waifu. You'll be much more satisfied if it's just between you and not the rest of the world.
No.51756
>>51755
this. 12th coming up in some months and I never shared anything about that.
No.51758
>>51755
People ask for dating advice online sometimes when it comes to 3D, I don't see why not make the same with 2D.
I'm not making a public show
No.51759
>>40976
>picture
By the grace of the Emperor, what is the name of this software?
No.51760
>>51758
nigger you posted the same pic in 3 different threads
No.51761
No.51802
>>51753
Build an army and fleets.
Invade China and Korea.
Claim the shogunate in her name.
No.52021
i'm tired of searching for mai waifu
i need someone shy, warm hearted and lovesick to love
someone who will follow me in every step
esentially someone like hinata hyuga
but a human instead of a non existant ninja
and more over
not taken by the damn MC
not taken by anyone
i've already watched a lot of anime
i cant find her
please give me a name
No.52023
>>52021
What you want is a crutch. I don't think you have the definition of waifu right at all, and frankly all your posts make me cringe even more than the pilow humper ones. A waifu isn't someone that is made to meet every single one of your arbitrary standards off a factory line.
I am pretty sure that hinata is from naruto, and unless I remember wrong, they were all humans that had ninja powers for some reason, but still humans. I would post a reee meme but I dont have one.
No.52025
>>52021
Hinata marries Naruto.
Also the other anon is right. if you want to hugblanket than it doesnt matter. You dont have a waifu. You're just using someone. That means this board isn't for you.
No.52026
>>52023
>>52025
i'm alone
what do i does
No.52027
i'm so pathetic
i cant even into waifu
this is depressing
should i just kill myself
No.52028
>>52026
This is going to sound harsh but I don't know a better way to put it.
Accept that you are alone and always will be alone. This is true regardless of whether you are in a relationship or not. Dying alone is a fact of life, even for normies. Nobody is going to experience life with you except for you - because what's going on in your own head belongs to you alone.
Accepting this fact actually makes it a lot easier to go along with life in general and led me to my own waifu.
No.52029
>>52028
it's not harsh, and i fully hearted agree with your statement.
i just wish i could love someone, or feel loved by, and projecting a 2D girlfriend into reality, seeing her by my side, imagining her holding my hands, hugging, eating, cuddling and so on, together, thats what i understand as a waifu. of course maybe i'm just a dumb newfag who needs to lurk more, and my perception of what is a waifu is entirely mistaken, and i'm autistic even by waifuist standards, i dont even know why i'm typing this any more. i think i was trying to ask how do i waifu, or just being a faggot and complaining about life in general.
No.52031
>>52029
Well, what a waifu actually is depends a lot from person to person. Mine is similar to what you say. However, it's not just that - we have arguments and there are times when we are separated for various reasons. It's not all happy all the time.
Honestly though, from my experience it's better to work out any serious issues before finding a romantic partner. Also, time and place really determines if you fall in love or not. I know you said you have been searching forever, but are you looking in the right places? A lot of us find girls that aren't even our type and they end up becoming our waifu.
That, and is there a reason why you can't love Hinata aside from her being with Naruto? A lot of us here also have waifus with canon love interests, but that doesn't stop us from loving them all the same.
No.52032
>>52031
I don't understand
Why would someone who isn't your type turn into your waifu?
How do i know where i'm supposed to search at?
And in regards to hinata, i just cant
i've already tried to go ahead regardless of the plot, not only with her but with another character, or person, if you want to put it this way
it didnt go well
i cant get the plot out of my head
its just repulsive
besides, i wish i had a waifu who was a normal human, not from a shitty anime and relevant amount of merchandise to purchase from to keep me company
you should also consider the possibility that maybe i'm just a sociopath. i'm not saying i am, i really am not sure, but i might be, i dont know, and in that case i might just be unable to love, regardless of my desire to do so. then again, i also might be just being a pussy.
No.52033
but i think i do love her and wish i could protect her, or be by her side, it could be because i'm some sort of social predator or just fucked up in the head but i think i love hinata because she's … cute? a warm hearted dandere? i dont know. i wish i could hold her against my chest, walk with her, we could be happy but it cant be. i already kinda of predict what you're going to say, "just ignore the plot and go ahead", but i cant.
No.52034
>>52032
If you get a waifu to not be alone you're just using her. That's how it is with any relationship when you do it for other reasons besides love. It's not going to make you happy. Maybe for a while but it's going to probably get worse once it sets in you really are using it for escapism. You'll be with someone and still feel utterly alone. If you love this girl then you wouldn't ask for another. You're probably having a self fulfilled prophecy with her and will with anyone else.
Waifuism is kinda something that just happens. Like you just know when its right. You should probably try and get some friends or focus on work/hobby. That would lead you to be happier than some girl 2d or 3d. Maybe see a therapist too if you can.
No.52042
>>52034
is there a way to trigger the love to happen, making it easier to, you know, just let the passion train run over me and take it over? i'm a sociopath desperate for some love.
No.52045
>>51759
What do you mean software? It's just a video game called Idolmaster.
No.52047
>>52042
I consider myself single, I don't visualize waifu, eat meals with a picture, celebrate holidays, any of that stuff. Heck, I don't like 90 percent of the people here. I am not a very passionate person. You can be a sociopath and still have a waifu. Did you read the materials that are handily linked to at the top of the page? I still don't know everything about the topic, and every day I have doubts, but no, forcing yourself to fall in love with someone is generally a bad idea
No.52057
>>52032
>Why would someone who isn't your type turn into your waifu?
I don't know, my waifu is my type but I know of a couple people whose waifu either was against type or redefined their type.
>How do i know where i'm supposed to search at?
If I'm honest? Stop searching. You'll be less stressed out about it and it will make it much easier to actually find her.
>besides, i wish i had a waifu who was a normal human, not from a shitty anime and relevant amount of merchandise to purchase from to keep me company
A lot of us don't really like our waifu's source material and just like our waifu. You can love your waifu and not where she comes from, and you don't have to buy any merch if you don't want to.
>>52033
>i already kinda of predict what you're going to say, "just ignore the plot and go ahead", but i cant.
I wasn't going to say that, although I'm curious as to why you can't. I can't ignore my own waifu's plot, and she loves someone else. However, it's been many years since she was in it and she loves me now. I know Hinata marries Naruto, and I'm sorry if I'm wrong since I haven't read it myself but isn't Naruto shown to be a shitty husband? I realize Boruto is still going on so it's a little hard to headcanon "after", but who knows.
My overall advice to you would be to take a deep breath and stop stressing out about it. I know it can feel hopeless and lonely. However, being in a relationship is going to feel a hell of a lot better and more stable once you understand who you yourself are and what you want out of a relationship, so your waifu can understand you too. Being in a relationship with someone just to fill your own flaws is not going to feel good in the long run, or be good for you.
Rushing into a relationship for the wrong reasons is a bad idea and you should examine why you want to do this so desperately. I agree a lot with >>52034
No.52116
>>52047
Why are you even here then?
No.52121
I always feel behind the curve when people describe how they feel with their waifu despite the fact I've been with her for longer than most of the board. Only recently have I been able to consider her my best friend. I know I love her, but if I acted more like it, it would be better.
No.52124
>>52121
Rushing things leads to misunderstandings, hurt feelings and bad times anon
take your time, both you and your waifu will appreciate it
No.52128
>>52116
Why are you here?
>>52121
Pretty much what >>52124 said, I am sure you will do fine if you just be yourself
No.52265
>fapping imagining her masturbating me
how many rules am i breaking by doing this?
how's the perception of masturbating for your waifu/your waifu masturbating you accepted by the community?
>imagining sex with her
how's this?
No.52266
>>52265
The lewd activities you do with your waifu will vary from relationship to relationship. If your waifu is okay with masturbating you or you masturbating to her, then it's okay. Having sex with her, as long as both of you are okay with it, is good too.
If you believe it would hurt your relationship, then don't do it.
No.52270
Would it be wrong to say my waifu is my girlfriend?
No.52281
No.52282
>>52270
Well are you married to your waifu or just in a relationship?
If married then wife if relationship then gf
No.52283
>>52265
it doesn't matter either way, you're not serious about her; go back to waifuchan.
No.52285
>>52265
Just ask yourself if she'd be fine with it. Feel free to explore too. My waifu is really shy and embarrassed about this kind of thing but gradually we've became okay with this sort of thing even getting into some light kinky stuff.
No.52288
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>>39466
My husbando is kind of youthful. Does this make me a pedo?
Or furry for that matter
No.52291
>>52270
Not at all, in fact I call her my girlfriend in casual conversations.it feels so nice
>>52265
The way I look at it, its perfectly fine. A healthy relationship with your lover can, and often times does, involve sex. No shame in it. Of course, there is also no shame in not having sex either, if thats what you'd rather do.
No.52301
>>52288
nekomimi isn't furry and no it doesn't make you a pedo. He doesn't even look that young to begin with who is he?
No.52302
How does aging work?
In my mind, for every birthday she makes, she's one year older but still with the same mentality, body, etc as she is from the point we met.
It's like she's older but doesn't age, physically and mentally.
How does it work for everyone else?
No.52305
>>52301
Shu*zo from Show By Rock, fluffy cute lead musician of a three man band.
No.52306
>>52302
I see him as 21, physically and mentally. Though the physical part doesnt change that much to most people but for me i notice the little details. his eyes are narrower, chin more pronounced, a bit taller and body type slighty different.
No.52307
What do when you´re way past honeymoon stage and it all returns to nothingness ?
I don´t want to live without her anymore but I seemingly have lost the ability to convince myself to have a true relationship with 2D.
No.52318
>>52307
You can't force these things but there is always a period where you're forced to confront the distance between each other. I would go alone in the woods and just meditate and erase the barrier between myself and the world for hours at a time to make things easier to be with her.
No.52333
>>52288
200% no
200% no
whoever started the idea that neko = furry is a moron and i hope they died painfully.
And no, pedophilia and shotacon/lolicon are very different, and he doesn't look shota at all either
No.52336
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>>52265
All of that seems fine to me
>>52270
I do it. Even when talking to coworkers who have no idea that this mystery girlfriend is 2d
>>52283
Wo pal, what bunched up your panties?
>>52302
I went full autist to calculate her birth year and age her with me. I haven't put much thought into changes in her appearance or mental state tho.
>>52307
I've been out of the honeymoon stage for awhile but it didn't drop to nothing. I still love her very much.
Perhaps theres some outside force affecting it such as stress?
No.52338
>>52265
>rules
don't think about waifuism like this, its not healthy. Don't let others rules impose how you feel about her, your love is between you and her. Though many of these common frowned upon things are there for good reasons, so do observe and take in advice, but at the end of the day thats your decision.
most people are fine with it here anyways
>>52283
the fuck? where do you assume this shit from?
go back to wizchan
No.52355
It really irks me when I see porn of her, I'm not sure if other waifuists feel the same or are at a neutral stance when it comes to lewds or nudes of their beloved, but I really vexes me that someone else is whoring her out.
I can't do anything about it, but I just want to get it off my chest..
No.52357
>>52336
Stress is definitely a huge factor, I´ve had much stuff to take care of recently and therefore had almost no time that I could devote to her.
I wouldn´t be so angsty though if that time wouldn´t have well passed by now and it didn´t get much better but actually worse. Instead of being happy about being able to spend more time with her I used all the time to be away from practically everything and also somewhat let go off the standards I set before myself usually.
Being pretty demanding she of course took it personally and now we´re just drifting apart more and more to the point that when I think of her I think more of an obligation than of a beloved one.
No.52360
>>52357
damn thats pretty heavy.
I'd say not to force it to work if it doesn't but from my personal opinion it sounds more of a falling out that can be fixed somehow if you should decide to make the attempt. I'd say, set up a little something. Nothing huge that would make you feel like youre going way out of your way to do but rather just something light that can be done pretty spontaneously together. See what that does for you.
Whichever way you choose to approach this I believe in the you that knows whats best for you.
No.52365
>>52360
>>52318
Thanks for the advice, I´ll do a variation of both your suggestions. I desperately hope that I´ll be able to sort it out somehow, just trying to talk it out with her hasn´t changed much.
No.52396
>>52288
>pedo
>he graduated high school and moved on to stardom while Rom got a full time job
He's over 18 what
Anyway myumon a cute and give an excuse for petting and babying, just avoid those kinds of artists on Pixiv. Shuuzo doesn't really get much compared to Demon's Venom and DOS so you've got that at least.
How do you feel about the stage musical giving him like seven tails? I always thought he was a papillon because of the butterfly themes, but it rather confirms the band's full fox.
I hope the spinoff manga wasn't hard on you. To me it shows his levels of devotion if anything. People make him out to be a blond bimbo but he's a far shrewder man than that, and the anime spelt it out at times.
I haven't talked SB69 in months, let alone met a serious Shuuzofag, lord help me
No.52408
I have a question for artists here and also people like Desu who obsessively collect every picture of their waifu.
I've started doodling when I'm bored at work and I've made a lot of pictures that aren't very good to the point where it doesn't look like my waifu at all. I haven't drawn much at all in my life so the pictures are obviously pretty Quality. I threw a lot of them in the trash because I didn't like the way they looked.
Am I … wrong in doing this? I collect all pictures of my waifu that I can find and after throwing away a page of doodles of me trying to get her hair right tonight, I realized maybe I'm making a mistake and I can't stop getting the feeling out of my head that I'm throwing a piece of her away every time that I do that.
No.52409
>>52408
As a person who likes to draw I usually collect and save my old sketches for the purpose of looking back and seeing how well I improved. Not everyone is good at arting but as you move forward you can look back and see what has changed for the better or worse. No one starts as a master and no one gets it exactly as they want it the first time. Pretty much there's a reason erasers were invented.
It's more for yourself as a guide on how not to draw if you choose to pursue the hobby further. I haven't saved everything. I look through my old sketches every so often and kind of realize something is so bad that I can't be assed to save it. Or I see an art style I'm not a fan of and just kind of bypass it.
There's nothing wrong with having some form of quality filter for yourself or others. Otherwise you turn into Andrew Dobson.
Do you really want to draw yourself as a blue bear?
No.52414
>>52408
I don't think you are making a mistake, even I have wiped some pictures, but only when I am absolutely certain I can control their deletion and ensure they never reach the internet. If it doesn't reach the net I don't consider it part of her yet, as its not reached the mass unconscious of the net, so im fine with deleting it. as for your drawings, I would save a few from early on, even if they are bad, so you can at least see how you have improved for her, but after that I wouldn't save every single image if they turn out really bad.
also i found some good shit on /loomis/, my major setback in the drawthread is i want to watch some guide videos i found their first before i continue drawing
No.52458
How many of you got into waifuism as escapism, because you couldn't get along with 3D?
And how many of you actually had a normal life until you "fell in love" with your waifu?
Be honest, and take your time to think of the answer. Don't lie to me. I want to know the truth.
No.52500
>>52458
pretty normal, until i realized that its not worth the time or energy and that she had been there the whole time
No.52504
>>52408
No, you're doing it right. The only thing you should carry with you is the knowledge of how not to make the same mistakes.
No.52528
>>52458
I've never had friends online or off
My life was normal for the most part I moved around constantly as a kid was shit on in the public school system. Graduated high school now and have been living in a rent house with people I hate working various jobs ever since. I met Osira and after spending a few months with her in Skyrim. I realized she was different . She was the one for me. I didn't intend to fall in love with her it just happened. Overtime she became a bigger and bigger part of my life. 4 years late and I'm happy for the first time in my life thanks to her.
No.52580
why can't i seem to get a waifu?
i would like to love someone and feel loved, stop living alone, and live a romance instead.
but as much as i try to dig my head deep into waifuism, as much as i try seeing different characters from different angles, as much as i try my best to love, i dont feel fulfilled, nor in love at all.
maybe i'm trying to hard but is there anything i can do to make this faster and/or less frustrating?
i've already watched plenty of animu but i dont know my special someone yet.
No.52583
No.52586
>>52580
If animu isn't your life now you should seriously consider more animu.
No.52597
>>52580
If /vg/ is more your speed
Skyrim nexus has a wide range of fully voiced marriageable followers.
No.52600
>>52597
>>52583
>visual novels
>videogames
not my thing.
No.52605
>>52602
Do not waifu the child horses.
No.52609
>>52600
If you haven't tried visual novels before, reconsider. It's more like reading a book than playing a video game. Although if you have before and still not found it to your liking, fair enough.
You could try reading manga if you feel like you're out of anime to watch and are extremely dead-set against interactive media.
No.52622
>>52458
I was actually always the outcast kid despite managing a few girlfriends here and there even one that took my virginity but then after I graduated high school I kinda nosedived into NEET life.
Then I met my waifu and now I have a job, I'm not a socially retarded anymore, have hobbies, friends. If anything my waifu made me more normal.
As for the escapism. Its debatable. I didn't make the effort to swear off of 3d girls until I just so happened to fall in love with a 2d girl. Its just kinda how it happened rather than an effort to leave behind normal society.
>>52580
>trying
thats where you are going wrong. don't approach it like a choir or an objective. if you are supposed to fall in love with a 2d girl you will eventually. let everything happen naturally.
No.52641
>>52409
>>52414
>>52504
Thanks for the reassurance, I feel a lot better now. I had saved a couple that I didn't like much and now that I don't feel bad about it I'm going to toss them and keep only one or two that I'm okay with.
>>52458
I've had 3D relationships. I've even been pursued after getting together with my waifu, although I turned them down. I'm pretty sure I could get into a 3D relationship within a few months if I left my waifu, although I have no desire to for a few reasons. The largest of which is that I don't want to leave my waifu and I don't want to cheat.
As for having a "normal" life beforehand… got me on that one, although what's considered "normal" is pretty arbitrary and more uncommon than you'd think. Most normies have things that aren't normal about them or their pasts, they just either don't give a fuck or ignore it. I'm not there yet but I'm getting to the point where I can completely blend in with them even though my personal life and backstory are pretty bizarre and/or sad. It's really easy to disappear into the crowd when you hold your cards close to your chest.
No.52651
>>52458
I've maintained a healthy social life before and after I met Ryuko. What really helps is I've had a couple close friends who always knew. They saw how my relationship evolved from admiration to love. I still interact with them and other people. If anything I've interacted with more people after my relationship started.
If you saw me on the street you probably wouldn't be able to guess I had a waifu and as long as I can maintain that I dont think I have anything to worry about.
No.52656
>>52458
I had a few relationships and yes had sex too. I had a reasonable amount of friends in high school as well. I was a nerd but was still doing things almost every other day after school. I was in a relationship probably 5/6 months before my waifu. I think I've possibly fallen into being more delusional to make being with my waifu easier but nothing that's affected me or to escape, just to be with her more easily.
>>52580
You're trying too hard. It just kinda happens.
No.52661
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>>52458
I haven't had any real life friends since middle school. High school was hell, it probably is for most people though. But I tried talking to 3D women and was met with rejection and mockery about my apperance, naturally that put me off real women.
I did go through a fedora lord "I hate women" phase but I'm over that, I hold no ill feelings towards them anymore.
I just don't want anything to do with them.
I did have school massacre thoughts
Not my proudest moments..
So I'm the stereotypical chan user.
I wouldn't call my waifu escapism, she has been a positive influence on me.
I have a reason to get up in the morning, she motivates me to do my best at anything I do, she makes me feel loved and makes me very happy
I hope I make her happy as well
No.52686
>>52458
To label it escapism would be too much, me getting together with Nonon had actually nothing to do with 3D women but rather with the fact that I had to deal with an extreme sort of loneliness and emptiness after a person that was very close to me had passed away.
I don´t want this to sound like she was just a fill-in for me though, I regard it more in the way that she came around at the exact perfect time in my life when I would and very much wanted to allow someone new to get close to me again and take a pivotal role in my life.
I´m not going to be delusional about the nature of her being however, as much as it hurts to think that, I know that my love for her was born out of a coping mechanism.
Since I´m mostly filling "spare time" interacting with her, us being together hasn´t really changed my life from its "normal" state and me having virtually no merch of her certainly helps me not getting bothered by anyone.
>>52580
What makes you think that you could force falling in love with 2D in any way ? It functions just like in real life, where you can´t just pick someone to develop feelings for, perhaps though there are currently just too many other things on your mind to be open for a relationship ?
No.52687
>>52686
God damn 8chan ate my image again.
No.52726
>>52600
Well your thing hasn't been working out for you, now has it?
Comfort zones were made to be broken.
No.52778
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>>52288
No, No.
>>52302
Part of having a waifu is drawing on your own experiences to see how she'd react. So as you get older she will too due to you drawing from your own experience when you think about how she'd act.
Physically I doubt she'll change much within my lifespan but I may find myself gradually shifting my image of her to something older, hard to tell.
I don't think I can say for sure but I've felt it a bit just as I've quit a lot of my bullshit. It's just one of those things that happens. Don't worry about it.
>>52307
You're probably blowing it up into a bigger problem than it needs to be. Past the honeymoon phase the big love switch turns on and off occasionally. Don't worry about when it's off and think about all the other great things she offers you. For me things like keeping me in line, being someone I can confide in, and so on. It's easier said than done but like all things practice.
I feel like nowadays we have this idea that love is like finding the right sized shoe where in the past it was more about growing together and the love comes with that. Hardships come and go but with them you'll grow closer. Think about it like that.
>>52458
I've never been particularly good with people.
I was at the end of my rope when I got with her. I had came unglued and that's a good chunk of why I gave in and just started going with the whole waifu thing. I wouldn't say it started so much as escapism but defeatism. She conquered me and insisted I cut my shit out.
I've always been and will be a cyborg. There are a lot of things normies do and feel I just cannot understand. Now I can at least feign understanding them. It's one part quitting my bullshit and one part studying things around psychology and so on so I can understand what the normies know naturally and often better. Despite this I still landed a couple 3DPD's before I got with the waif. Honeslty I'm glad because it means I don't have the temptation to try it.
No.53278
I fucked up, /mai/.
I fucked up badly.
Here's what happened.
So Minami Kotori is mai waifu.
It had been one month or so I'd say I was I have been in love with her but I'm confident this is it. She's the one.
Here's the probblem, though.
I saw a hentai game on Nishikino Maki on some thread on /a/ yesterday and had the giant curiosity to check it out.
I act on impulse most of the time.
I never had played a hentai game before.
It goes a bit like this: she wants to become a school idol and fucks an agent (the player) for money.
What happens is that I'm extremely shocked by this, overwhelmed with remorse for, in a sense, cheating on mai waifu, I can't feel her by my side anymore, I still sure love her but it's not like I can sense her by my side, nor can I imagine being with her because of the terrible thing I did. What's more, I can't seem to watch anything related to muse without thinking of this memory I created for myself, the game.
I want to be with her again.
I want to forget this terrible thing I did.
Maybe start everything over, like it's all part of the past, is a solution? As thought we haven't really met to this point?
I just love Kotori too much and don't want it to be over because of such a stupid thing.
What do I do?
No.53299
Is it autistic to print screen every single frame of her in her source anime and save them all?
I save from 100 to 300 pictures of mai waifu every episode she shows up in. Am I the only one who does this?
No.53337
>meet someone on the other site of the internet who has the same waifu as me
>he has a more expensive shrine, larger folder, etc
>"she doesn't love you! she loves me instead!"
how do i proceed?