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 No.42131

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide:

http://bitlasers.com/djt

Do it for her /mai/dens

 No.42133

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This is my core 6k progress and I'm about 2 1/2 months in. Since I do it on the side of full-time at university I only introduce 5 cards in a day.

Has anyone tried WaniKani? I was thinking of making it a part of my daily grind, but just for Kanji and radicals.


 No.42134

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>>42133

Thankfully I have an image saved about that from DJT already.


 No.42136

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>>42134

Still somehow not as bad certain Korean learning communities that I've seen in the past

Is there any advantage to studying Kanji by itself? I've read that it's not a good use of time.


 No.42137

Here's something to practice reading with. It takes actual current news in Japan and simplifies it.

All words have furigana, if you click the pencil it'll color places blue, names purple, and companies/groups light blue. And there's an audio version as well.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/


 No.42138

>>42136

Not really. It's better to learn kanji while you're reading.

It'll probably help to get used to recognizing radicals so kanji don't look as scary to you though. But you don't need to learn those on their own either, just look out for them.

You'll get used to seeing them as you read more.


 No.42146

>>42136

I studied the first 1k by themselves and looking back I have mixed feelings about it.

But there are some advantages to it:

You learn to write kanji, which is essential for the written language. It also helps to memorize a kanji much better than just the abstract form you have memorized from being able to read it.

And if you come across a new kanji, you can easily look it up, because you've gotten used to writing kanji and radicals with the proper stroke order.

Furthermore, you can guess both the meaning and pronunciation of words you've never seen before. This makes reading and looking up new words much easier.

Of course, you get the same effect (but to a much lesser extend) from not studying Kanji by itself.

The problem is that without any knowledge of kanji whatsoever, learning new words as you go is a pain. You'd have to look up every single kanji.

I'd say that the best way is to only study the most common kanji by themselves and then switch to learning them while reading.

But keep one thing in mind:

Kanji by themselves are mostly useless except for the verb and adjective readings.

You'd have to learn the vocabulary in addition to kanji readings.


 No.42220

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My biggest issue is I don't know how to study. Is there any guide that gives you numbered lessons or something that's structured? I think I need something to hold my hand because I'm clueless where to start. I've already learned the kana so that's not an issue.

Or perhaps someone has a study plan they use they could share?


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 No.42409

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Everything's coming up ghost planet


 No.42725

上げ


 No.42734

>>42731

Basically its anons helping each other out with learning Japanese. This can be anything from sharing study tips to sharing resources and even practicing conversations with each other

こんみちわ。わたし わ あけみほむら の だいすき


 No.42802

>>42734

>こんみちわ。わたし わ あけみほむら の だいすき

あんたばか??????????????????

seriously though why so many spaces, why no kanji? it says konmichiwa. theres too many spaces jesus. it triggers me. Without kanji i had no idea what to even make of it because of Homura's name.

This should be 今日は。私はあけみほむらが大好き

If you dont have the japanese input on your computer, get it. I don't know what you're using but it usually autos kanji (though you need to research it sometimes to make sure its the right kanji).


 No.42825

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>>42731

You can post resources you find, post about how you're doing/what you're studying, ask others for help, etc.

>>42802

Reading kana only all day every day would be hell. People that want to get rid of kanji are the ones that don't use it to begin with.

Konnichiwa is usually written in kana. There's also slang but you usually pick up on that stuff once you're used to polite/regular? talk.


 No.42831

>>42802

>why no kanji

because I haven't gotten that far yet. Still on vocabulary and kana.

>why so many spaces

because that's how Google IME does it. I've used it for years when searching stuff on Nico Nico or Pixiv, and I'd rather not go through the hassle of learning new keyboard commands for a different program.

>with normal input spaces

Hello there my friend

>with default IME spaces

Hello there my friend.

Believe it or not, I only hit the spacebar once for those. Also, having actual spaces make it easier to read for a gaijin like me

>what the hell does "konnichiwawatashi" mean?


 No.42837

>>42734

>わたし わ

>わ

dont do this.

>>42831

>hassle of learning new keyboard commands for a different program.

wut.

watashinoyomewodaisuki<SPACE>

私の嫁さんを大好き

thats all. nothing special


 No.42838

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>>42837

also Im using uim+anthy,

but it should be pretty much the same thing for most other methods.


 No.42850

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>>42825

>Konnichiwa is usually written in kana.

Well, it happened because of the IME, but eh, it actually doesn't matter. People write it in kana just to speed things up since it's a phrase used regularly on a daily base.

Actually, this is what happens with most of the words written in kana instead of kanji.

夜露死苦。

>>42837

>watashinoyomewodaisuki<SPACE>

>私の嫁さんを大好き

>thats all. nothing special

Sure thing buddy, just write and space. You totally didn't add something there.

Also, さん isn't used here, neither を. が is preferred, but in this case は would also have been fine.

>>42838

As far as I'm aware, all CJK IMEs work the same way, maybe some little change from one to another, but this thing has been dragged since the 80's/90's so I don't see it as a plausible case.


 No.42854

>>42850

your right, i forgot the shift+space which switches to japanese input.

of course, its not always that simple.

sometimes you need to change the kanji it chooses which means some using some arrowkeys as well :^)

i am shitty at grammer though, i really need to study that more.


 No.42900

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>>42831

I use the same thing and I don't have to have spaces.

かわいいよ千早かわいいよ

As for the spaces thing once you're used to it it's simple. Using spaces in Japanese looks about as odd as not using spaces in English.

>>42837

Here's the page that covers some particles.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/particlesintro


 No.42920

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>>42900

>Using spaces in Japanese looks about as odd as not using spaces in English.

That's not true. Spaces are quite common in children's literature including vidya. This is especially true for (almost) Kana-only literature.


 No.42932

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>>42854

>your right, i forgot the shift+space which switches to japanese input.

I meant the さん mate, read what you wrote, your romaji and dai nippun are different

>>42920

Yes and no. Those spaces are sometimes used as as we would us commas in english (check the last episodes of eva), and they're fairly common in song lyrics. (example here http://j-lyric.net/artist/a04d387/l00b690.html).

Even in the image you linked:

>はんじんはんれいの ヨウムが

>しょぶを しかけてきた!

Would translate as

>The Half-spirit Half-Human, Youmu,

>Came to pick a fight [against you]!

Also, is it me or they misspell しょうぶ for しようぶ? Is this a pun or something?

Although, you have a point. Spaces do exist in japanese, more so if it's all-kana, to differentiate between words.

But, as you can see in the song I linked, even when it's not a kana-only thing it still happens, although I'm betting my coins that in this case is to differentiate song parts in karaoke or something.


 No.42959

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>>42932

Yes and no. The usage of spaces in children's literature and lyrics is different. Take a look at some Pokemon screenshots.

Generally speaking, a space is a short pause between words, a comma is a slightly longer pause with a syntactical, structural function. Readability is a side effect.

In Japanese nouns are followed by particles similar to declension in Indo-European languages. There isn't much of a pause between a noun and a "suffixed" particle that modifies it either, so there isn't a space between them.

The pause happens between the last particle of the previous word and the following noun/verb/adjective and that's where we use the space.

Now, the usage in lyrics doesn't have a grammatical meaning at all but just a temporal one. It basically means "a pause shorter than a line break" or possibly "a pause without breathing".

In proper Japanese literature spaces aren't needed because of the frequency of Kanji: There is probably a short pause between a Kana and a following Kanji.

A space is only needed if pauses occur at unexpected places, e.g. while stuttering. In that case, it's similar to our "- ".

>they misspell しょうぶ

I think it's just the font they used.

This isn't the first time I come across a font where よ and ょ or つ and っ almost look the same.


 No.42966

>>42959

I didn't mean that Japanese never used spaces. I was just trying to explain it to someone who isn't used to it.

>In proper Japanese literature spaces aren't needed because of the frequency of Kanji

That's pretty much what I wanted to say.


 No.43023

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>>42959

>Now, the usage in lyrics doesn't have a grammatical meaning at all but just a temporal one.

Cool, but I already said it

>although I'm betting my coins that in this case is to differentiate song parts in karaoke or something.

>In proper Japanese literature spaces aren't needed because of the frequency of Kanji: There is probably a short pause between a Kana and a following Kanji.

That's why I said it happens mostly when it's a full-kana text, here

>Spaces do exist in japanese, more so if it's all-kana, to differentiate between words.

The only correction I'd make is "To know when a word (with a particle [if there's any] included) ends and another one starts" instead of "differentiate between words", if that fits your fancy.

Either way, yeah, it's clear that spaces aren't a thing in proper writing, and in my opinion it's better if people learning japanese never try using them. Because jap kids read kana books since they know the language, even when they don't know how to write it. However, although baka gaikokujin-kun may know how to read kana there's no meaning if he doesn't know vocabulary and grammar. You may as well spend your time learning basic kanji along with words and grinding with rikaichan and a guide instead.

Also, I don't know about the newer pokémon games, but the older ones were kana-only because the grand text processing that Full Japanese requires would have consumed all the resources of the hardware. They may still be following that trend to go along with the nostalgia feeling for all we know.

Same with other Famicom games.


 No.44599

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/2230_Kanji.svg

Kanji list. Don't have the image version on me at the moment.


 No.44619

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>>44602

I'm also going to start seriously trying to learn Japanese on Monday.

I wanna work on tae kim's stuff and anki as well as translating music, which is what I've done thus far. first i'm gonna actually finish learning both alphabets.

I think I'll try for 30 minutes a day. Maybe a bit more.


 No.45017

>>45016

If you understand the basic episodes you don't have to do them again. Just start from the ones that are giving you issues still.


 No.45024

>>45023

It'd be

わたしのワイフは翠星石です。

あなたのワイフはだれですか?

Waifu is in katakana because it's an overseas term.

>海外のオタクにも、キャラクターに対して「俺の嫁」と主張することは日本発の文化として伝播している。4chなどの海外のオタが集まる掲示板で「x is Mai Waifu」(訳:「xは俺の嫁」。my wifeではなく敢えて日本語風にmai waifuと表記されている)、等の書き込みが見られることもある。

>これは「俺の嫁」から直訳したというだけでなく、.「あずまんが大王」のキャラクター「木村先生」の台詞「マイワイフ」の影響ではないかとの考察もある。


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 No.45044

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>>44755

This isn't very good if you wanna learn proper Japanese in my opinion. Learning through Romaji is the worst possible thing you can do. Also it seems more like how to make an American understand than actually learning it. Japanese is completely different than English in just about everything and there are tons of things that really don't have an English equivalent. One of the big things is "-san" being said it's like Mrs./Mr. That's not really true. Sure sometimes it can be but it won't always be like that so it could set you up for disaster. Same with よろしく・ It doesn't really mean anything unless given context. Not to mention polite speech isn't nearly the same thing as in English.

If you wanna learn Japanese you have to learn the culture and how the people think and act.


 No.45050

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>>45047

Yeah cut the shit and just learn kana. Japanese never use romaji and it makes it harder on yourself. The videos are fine for grammer probably but still its not giving you the right mindset of Japanese. Its all from a "This is how Americans would think of it" kinda perspective. So be mindful of it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA7DB863D6946E1CD

This is really good for actually learning how to read and write the kana. It's slow and really really gets it across as well as stroke order. The entire youtube channel is pretty good and Risa is a qt.


 No.52815

>quad-annual

>hasn't been used for nearly 6 months

bumpu




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