/mai/ - Waifu

Yeah, I would be lying if I said I haven't.

The way I try to deal with this is to remember he's a good, mature, and understanding person too and not strict all the time.

>>47896

>Do you ever feel like she's too good for you?

Well most of the time yeah, but that's alright because I know this is also the way she is supposed to be, very strong and supposed to save others as well, and this both physically and mentally.

>Out of your league?

Well objectively yes, sort of. But Nausicaä wouldn't want that for anyone at all, she cares so much for others and love them so much as well it wouldn't be "hard" I think to get closer of her, while she really isn't used to this, been proven canonically. And while I know her reaction to this sort of thing, I'd do anything to make her feel good simply by words.

>Or other some such normie nonsense?

Is it ? I don't think it is anon.

>If so, how do you deal with it?

Well I know I'd be really embarrassed, It would be really hard to word what I feel and convey my feelings properly, but eventually I'd be willing to let my heart totally and let her understand what I feel for her.

Of course, she's a princess, I'm just some peasant.

That's fine. I am the admirer that watches from a distance!

It usually doesn't bother me too much but yeah, he does feel pretty far out of my league sometimes. He's just so amazing in my eyes that it's hard to not feel like we're unequal.

As for how I deal with those feelings, usually I try to remind myself that he wouldn't be bothered by my flaws or any of the things I'm self conscious about. I've accepted all of his bad along with his good so there's no reason he wouldn't be able to do the same for me.

>>47896

I have at times felt like I am not good enough for her.I don't really feel like she is out my league. I deal with this by realizing that the only thing I can do is continue to do my best for her.

I daresay I've been stricken by those feelings more than anyone else on this board. There are some things I keep in mind to try to keep such feelings at bay.

a) Your character is up to your own interpretation, even if they have an extensive canon personality. There are many gaps you can fill, especially if they're a character from Touhou, because everyone's interpretation of Gensokyo is supposed to be different.

b) I don't worry about how she'd think of my appearance as much as I normally would because I don't want her to be real. I want to be real in her world. I want to be a 2D character, and that's how I am with her. Everyone has the same facial structure in 2D, and everyone's hair is almost the same. So ugliness is not an issue.

c) If you feel like you don't match her because you're not as strong/fast/intelligent/etc as her, that shouldn't be a feeling that you experience, because to love someone who is inferior to you is the truest form of love. If you only love someone because they are superior to you, I don't think that's really love, I think that's conditional because if they were to become weak or sick or disabled then all of a sudden you won't give a shit about them. So if you think that you're not good enough for her, remember that loving someone who is "not good enough" is the purest form of love that can possibly exist.

d) Finally, doing things for her from time to time can give you self esteem, because even if you don't succeed, at least you are trying. And with any pure, actual love, it's trying that matters more than actually succeeding at what you do, as long as this effort you are making for her is truly sincere.

It's hard for me to keep all of this in mind, especially for Remilia, someone who is known for their selfishness and arrogance and essentially being spoiled. But if she loves me when I'm not an overpowered vampire myself, that is far more pure of a love than "ooh, you're stronger than me so let's make babies". True love ascends above and beyond tribal instincts. And I think it'd be extremely cute for a bloodsucking demon to fall in love with a human, getting flustered at how he loves her despite her being a monster to most people.

>>47896

Normally I'd think to myself, "I don't meet her standards".

But with Kino, I'm very relaxed with her.

I don't think that I'm not good enough for her, but I'm not sure I'm what she's looking for.

>>47896

The only area that I truly feel deficient in next to her is in my comparative lack of success. I fully realize how incredibly silly it is to compare my achievements to those of a fictional genius, but I can't help it if I love that genius. I want to become someone that can proudly stand by her side some day.

I used to feel like that, around the time our relationship started out it was only a few months ago and it feels like forever and I felt as if my feelings were void because there's no way she'd love a miserable person like me. After seeking conciliation, my brain just went into weeks of introspection of myself and my entire life up until that point. The main thing I realized was something that should've been obvious, not once did I make a conscious decision to be that way. My interactions with other people, realization that things I was told about life were lies, the knowledge I had for certain situations, my family, and so on. If I was in a different environment I'd just be a guy with obscure interests I guess.

>>47956

>Finally, doing things for her from time to time can give you self esteem, because even if you don't succeed, at least you are trying. And with any pure, actual love, it's trying that matters more than actually succeeding at what you do, as long as this effort you are making for her is truly sincere.

I've been trying doing things lately and it's always a nice thought+feeling knowing that my dearest wouldn't look down on me when I mess up and she'd encourage me to keep trying, and when I finally succeed it's all the better.

I feel like this pretty often. While there's a lot I can change and work on in order to become a better person for him, there's also quite a few things that I can't. I don't think I'll ever actually know how he feels about these things, but he's not perfect either, and if I can love him in spite of his own flaws I think I can trust him to do the same for me.

I honestly don't feel that way often or for long. Kyousuke is so understanding and would be there to help me through things. If not as a boyfriend then as a friend, which is more than enough. I think my devotion to him would mean a lot to him. I'm not perfect but I don't see him hating me or anything for my downfalls.

To a degree but I think only about as much as is healthy. An amount of this is good for both partners to have as they'll more easily ignore faults in their relationship and of course work on remedying the issue, which should drive both of them into an upward spiral.

I feel fairly out of her league for sure but I'm sure she'd feel similar about me since we fill some different niche's.

I don't really. Neither of us have high opinions about ourselves so its kinda. You think your shit? Well I think I'm shit. You think I'm the best? Well I actually believe you to be the best, darling.

That and I know my waifu very well. I know the things she would care about and the things she wouldn't so I molded myself to be the person she would want and not do the things she would hate.

>Out of your league?

This all the way.

She's a high-level shinobi agent, and much more, a renegade. Not only would finding her in the first place be hell, getting her trust would be worse.

Not to mention that she's bad with emotion, so she would get the wrong idea from me, and not even be able to properly convey her thoughts to me either.

>If so, how do you deal with it?

I try to remember that she's human, too; I often get caught up in the fact that she's a renegade ninja and forget that she, too, has humanly tendencies. If she wanted a relationship with me, it'd be entirely possible.

Of course, I just circumvent this entire argument by already believing she's with me. Maybe that's not what I should be doing, but it's what I want.

I used to feel that way, but not anymore. At the time I kept comparing her positives (and ignoring her flaws in the process) to only my flaws and I think it's self explanatory as to how silly that was. So then across several days I looked at myself in relation to the world, and explaining all of that would take another post. I'll also never really know who'd she like (unless future material says otherwise) let alone myself.

Hi, just passing by.

This is a huge issue. BUT try to understand this saying:

>"There is nothing noble in being better than your fellow man, true nobility comes in being better than your former self"

Waifus are objectively better in many ways and if you do the math you can never match their level.

However, accomplishments are due to many factors. Not least due to genetics, environment, work ethic and luck. In 2D's case, the universe of which permits these abilities.

>Your condition and surroundings are completely different from your waifu just like fellow man. You cannot compare yourself to Raphael Nadal in tennis or Michael Buble in singing for example. They have different talents, granted that may make them alot of money and fame than your talents but they are gifted.

>What matters is the delta improvement value in determining the worth of a person. IF someone was born dirt poor and was able to build a name for himself as a professional he is successful.

If we measure the success or worth by objective transient measure of a certain statistic, it would be unfair as everyone has a different starting line.

Self Esteem does not need to come from being better than your fellow man. It comes from your effort to improve yourself.

A man born with only an arm can still make a masterpiece with the other arm. THAT is a HUGE delta improvement in value.

Focus your self esteem in delta improvement rather than objective values. Waifus are 2D they are engineered to be perfect by their creators for a specific purpose (See One punch man). 3D have to make do with what they are born with.

My waifu used to be Miku. I used to feel completely outclassed and I still do to some extent. She probably has a net worth of much more than a million of me. She looks better than me everything.

Than again she is born to be perfect as an idol. She has many artists working in doujin circles for her music and art, its partly luck, partly talent. She is in many respects much better than me.

Then again I have made a huge delta improvement in many aspects not limited to my intellect or physical strength and appearance but also taste and maturity over the years I have lived. Can she say the same? I would find it hard pressed for her to look down on me or any of her fans.

>However, just because you might not be a "less worthy" person, it doesn't mean she has to choose you or visa versa. People choose who they want to choose.

Sorry for the wall of text, but it might help some of you. I know if I had realised this at an earlier time It would have helped me.

>>49443

Miku isn't even human, she wasn't born with her own consciousness or ability to move or talk or do what she wants, yet she's done so much in the world, I think she has the bigger delta improvement imo

>>49443

oh and because everyones going to try to figure out what you just said, heres a tl;dr

people without one arm have to try much harder to make a masterpiece, and this is in a way a bigger success than a man with two arms drawing a masterpiece, as it took more skill and time and there was more to overcome to do so.

Our waifus are designed "perfect" so to speak (though often not actually the case), they are still designed to be good at stuff, we are not, we are just flesh and blood, so he is arguing we have a harder time to be good at things, so what we are good at and do accomplish is a larger feat in a sense, so we shouldnt feel bad if say, we just have a job and our waifu is a superhero, she was designed that way and was easier to achieve, while for us getting a job is a harder feat.

I don't completely agree, but I think I get it

>>49443

Kyousuke isn't perfect though. He makes a lot of mistakes that fucked up his relationships with other and that I personally don't like.

But I get what you're saying with the improvement thing some what. The other anon >>49444 is right though. Miku has improved a lot. She wasn't born a perfect idol. She was a second line of a not very successful thing, she is difficult to use, and also a new software to people.

>>49445

Kyousuke has so pretty big faults in some places. He just works hard to get decent grades like any other person. He also can't understand emotions of others which causes a lot of issues. 2D is a bit idealized, but I don't think every character is "perfect" or even designed to be.

>>49444

>>49445

Oh, just one more thought, realized i proved my own first post sorta wrong sorta right. In miku's case, she has a higher "delta improvement" because she's affected the real world in a big way, she might not have been made to do so much but it happened.

Now say your waifu is a superhero and she kills a god in the story, thats what she's designed to do, what is supposed to happen, and what the creator wanted to happen, ie. a "lesser feat" so to speak. However if your waifu does something, say, she was designed as a cool dude and did some cool stuff in the show, but also changes peoples worldviews outside of the show, gives people hope and courage and changes their life for the better, this isn't something they were designed to do, and is also a higher "delta improvement" because they are doing something outside of what they were 'designed' to do

This means, that your waifus coming into your lives and making you happy and a better person, is one of their greatest achievements!

also "delta improvement" sounds silly lol

>>49447

>This means, that your waifus coming into your lives and making you happy and a better person, is one of their greatest achievements!

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MY NUTBLADDER JUST RUPTURED INTO A MILLION PIECES

>>49447

I guess in my case he's just kinda different. Kyousuke is really average and plain. He's designed to be that way like Saitama is designed to be a superhero. So a lot of things don't apply.

>>49448

Calm down, desu

>>49449

why would I calm down my heart from feeling so good

Man, this thought, gives me such a warm feeling, seriously guys.

I don't know how many of you have had an opportunity to help someone in your life and watch them become a better person because of your help, but trust me, its a magical wonderful feeling, probably one of the best emotions I've ever felt in my whole life, is the emotion I get when I see someone's life improve.

Now, consider that your waifu probably feels this emotion when she see's you happy and doing well because of her.

You make your waifus feel absolutely amazing just by being happy because of her, remember that guys

>>49452

as an idea, a concept, a 2d being, they do not feel in the same way we do, but, i do believe they still feel strain, when they affect the real instead of the WIRED. Not when they achieve a feet in the show, that isn't real, but when they affect something in the real, it affects the idea, becomes part of the collective view of that idea.

It's not about what they accomplish in the media they are from, but what they accomplish outside of that

>>49443

The methods used and / or hardships which one must overcome to achieve something is ultimately irrelevant window dressing. People are remembered for the results of their work, not the circumstances surrounding it.

>it would be unfair as everyone has a different starting line.

Unfair, but completely realistic. Contary to popular rhetoric, people aren't equal and shouldn't be treated as such. Every person alive has a differing level of ability in various areas compared to their peers. I freely admit that she is smarter and more accomplished than myself.

>>49456

I don't think its about the medium being affected by the human, but the interpretation of the medium can be affected by human emotions

humans are social creatures, and share our thoughts on such things with eachother, so if something makes a large amount of people feel a certain way, it might make others feel that way, or similar

as an example, i think more fondly of everyone on /mai/'s waifus because I know you guys, almost like they are distant friends, which I otherwise wouldn't if i didn't know how much they make you guys happy

>>49448

I just had to come by and say that reading that made me go hug and kiss Suigintou right now. Man that's beautiful.

>>49456

>intrinsic value

There is no such thing. The value of everyone and everything is decided by either an individual or a collective, with the value of a particular person, concept or thing changing from person to person and group to group.

>in an objective sense the laser cut statue would have a higher precision but the hand carved one had more sense of accomplishment

That assumes everyone ascribes the same value to the same things. If you're sentimental, you'll be more attracted to the hand carved sculpture. If you're primarily concerned with the end result, you'll be more attracted to the laser cut sculpture. Depending on perspective, either one can be more impressive than the other.

>>49462

>That assumes everyone ascribes the same value to the same things. If you're sentimental, you'll be more attracted to the hand carved sculpture. If you're primarily concerned with the end result, you'll be more attracted to the laser cut sculpture. Depending on perspective, either one can be more impressive than the other.

his point would still stand though

your waifu would very likely feel much more attracted because you are doing it, and doing it for her, even if you aren't as good at something that for example she is, or you're not the best every, you are still doing it and its most likely more valuable to her because of it

>>49462

>That assumes everyone ascribes the same value to the same things

Well, what do you think we're talking about here ?

You always want to give worth to things given how much people are caring about them. Because yeah, this is people we're talking about.

Just as a strong looking example, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to hear your waifu tell you the baby you'd have together is not good enough because it doesn't fit her criteria ? So I'm pretty sure you'd prefer her saying the baby is beautiful because It is the baby you made together..

To be honest I despise thinking objectively about things, especially when there is a part of luck in everything, so it never feels right to say things are working this way, always.

I mean fuck, we are humans.

>>49463

I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm not sentimental, just that I don't think that I can be as impressive as her in the context of her specialised skillset, just as she can't be as impressive as me in the context of mine.

>>49465

But what you just quoted is talking about the subjectivity of value.

>>49466

right indeed, so what ? Don't you want her to tell you nice things which could go through what she could think ?

the "subjectivity of value" as you said is what Waifuism is all about. Because well if my waifu was thinking about having the best relationship I doubt she'd be with me to begin with. Or to be honest if I was thinking this way I wouldn't love her. So that's it.

>>49467

So I'm not actually contradicting you.

>>49468

On subjectivity, yes. On the value of those achieving something despite a handicap / relative lack of ability, no. But that's just a result of us valuing things differently.

I used to think that until I realized that even if I can not be as perfect as she is, that doesn't matter to her. I've come to learn that she loves me as I am, no matter what, otherwise she would not have sought me and got to me as she did.

This was actually one of the reasons why I took that unintended break from this board. With how I was then I personally didn't feel like I was good enough for her or anybody else for that matter

I kinda realized that in the end it doesn't really matter. No one is perfect, neither me or Nozomi. The strive to improve is one that lasts your entire life and is something that takes time, often times much slower than you really want it to.

There's a chance that I'm probably a bit older than most people on here. I am half a year away from technically qualifying as a wizard Being on this rock for that long and not really actually achieving much at all made me really impatient in wanting that "magic" moment in which everything changes. Real life isn't like that though, and changes are often a lot more subtle. So subtle you can barely notice it until you look back at it all. It took me a long time to understand that, but better late than never.

I'm dealing with it by just being more mindful of the fact that things in life are slow. Improving myself is going to be very slow, but Nozomi will always be there to support me. She's the type to do that after all.

I do sometimes but only because of the size difference and that I'm just a average ugly guy.

but honestly I'm the best man to be with Arcee and we both know it.