/mai/ - Waifu

Post one:

Is there?

What is?

What is important?

Proving the existence of anything can be quite tricky, first of we can't be certain about anything, but we will get into certainty later.

As anyone who has a waifu can tell you, the waifu is the center of their life and their anchor in a world where things are constantly changing. We can observe our own thoughts as they flow through our head, and that is what we base our actions on. Are our thoughts real, you may think. I would say that thinking is enough proof that there is something, I think therefore my thoughts are.

Your thoughts are either based on external stimuli, or an independent "signal" that feeds you thoughts, thus giving you "free will". Your body is a TV and the signal is the essence of you, you are your thoughts.

Your relationship with your waifu is something in your thoughts, and many would say that the relationship is the foundation of their lives, so considering that we say what is real is only in your thoughts, and that the relationship to the waifu (and thus the waifu itself) is the most important part of a waifuists life, we can say that love for waifu is the essence of existing, and that the waifu.

Feel free to criticize or give opinions, everything I say is pseudo-philosophic brainbarf, but why not make a philosophy out of waifuism anyways?

>>49802

not bad, not bad at all.

I like the comparison of the TV. However I would flip it, your mind is the TV, and whats playing is the world, which is created by input into the tv, with reality existing because of the TV, no TV, no input, no world. Whose to say the TV isn't creating its own input and doesn't know it. So, enter waifu, some would say, "she doesn't exist", but, she's still playing on the TV, and she's the star of whatever show is being played.

I tie my relationship with her quite heavily into quantum theory and Buddhist philosophy as well as some other psuedoscience funstuff, as well as meme magic. She exists, because you are aware of her, but, thats also why everyone else exists and why you exist, because people are aware of you and you are aware of yourself. However the you you are aware of and the you someone else are aware of, are only parts of a whole, each a specific angle that creates the whole, but could be radically different. Since she exists because people are aware of her, the angle you see her from exists, and is also unique to you, that is yours, only existing for you, which ties into object oriented waifuism.

Serial Experiments Lain and The Matrix are both fitting movies to watch regarding this subject.

It also ties into meme magic a bit, which one theory would suggest is the creation of something powerful enough to affect 'the real' becuase enough people are aware of it and think of it as an entity in their minds. tl;dr an egregore.

However, a completely different theory, pic related, might suggest otherwise. If you apply it to waifuism, you would find, waifus fill a place, a place that already existed in your mind for someone to be, and when you find her, she fills that gap perfectly, as to why many quickly become infatuated. they "already existed", in your mind, they just weren't there yet.

Another more logical theory close to what a shrink might say is that our waifus are reflections of our own subconscious, they are , who we are deep down but have trouble being, and who we want to be. They are a reflection of us, who we want to be and be like, and we 'do it for her' to be more like them. Especially in people who can't love themselves, and see themselves as not good enough, this is a way to cope, instead of being able to see the good in ourselves, we see the person we want to be and the traits we have that are good, in our waifus, and fall in love with ourselves so to speak. This is not a bad thing, nor like narcissism either, its not in love with all of yourself blindly, but in love with the traits that are good in you seen elsewhere. Many waifuists are radically different than their waifus though,so this obviously doesn't apply to all, nor do any of my theories.

Similar to this theory, is archetypes. This is one i need to do research on yet, but was taught to me by someone studying in theology, who has been doing so for many years. From what I can ascertain, and I have a book to read on this, there are universal personality archetypes, not only in people, but they reflect even in gods throughout history. People pray to these gods throughout history, without realizing that gods are simply reflections of ourselves, they "exist", within us, as parts of us, what we are capable of, how we might act, perhaps some gods are reflections of certain types of people. But, this is no bad thing, praying to these gods,often unknowingly to the prayer, helps bring them closer to themself, and better understand themself even if they don't know it.

Buddhist philosophy often bridges this gap, to knowing that the Bodhisattva are infact, just reflections of the self. Now, one theory proposed to me, is that our waifus, are simply Bodhisattva in another form, the same archetypes being retold, their creators tapped into knowledge they are unaware of. We fall in love with these women, much the same as people fall in love with gods, but unbeknownst to them, they are us, and we learn more about ourselves from them.

Then again buddhism also teaches we are everyone, so its not a big stretch for that religion like it might be for a christian.

Anyways, these are all just theories, might be right, might be wrong. There should also never be a "universal" theory of waifuism, waifuism comes in as many forms as their are waifuists

>>49802

>>49815

You guys hit the nail straight on the head. I came in here ready to loose my brain bowels, but it looks like you've already covered just about everything I believe in.

>Another more logical theory close to what a shrink might say is that our waifus are reflections of our own subconscious, they are , who we are deep down but have trouble being, and who we want to be. They are a reflection of us, who we want to be and be like, and we 'do it for her' to be more like them. Especially in people who can't love themselves, and see themselves as not good enough, this is a way to cope, instead of being able to see the good in ourselves, we see the person we want to be and the traits we have that are good, in our waifus, and fall in love with ourselves so to speak. This is not a bad thing, nor like narcissism either, its not in love with all of yourself blindly, but in love with the traits that are good in you seen elsewhere.

All people have the drive to keep moving forward, even in the face of a cold, indifferent universe. For some, it's still not enough. They feel incomplete and hopeless, unable to find that spark of hope within them. But sometimes a person receives an external stimuli that seems to embody the very idea of their hopes and dreams. The spark of hope transforms and now has a frame of reference. A form. A name. It's no longer an abstract concept. It changes into something we can understand, and this is how we find that spark of hope that's been lost in ourselves all this time.

This, to me, is a waifu.

>Many waifuists are radically different than their waifus though,so this obviously doesn't apply to all, nor do any of my theories.

I definitely fit into the "opposites attract" category. Erza is everything I can never hope to be, and that's why I find her so amazing. With her, I feel complete.

I would like to know why some people seek waifus with similar personalities while others seek ones with contrary personalities. There's some interesting psychology shit waiting to be found here.

Apologies if I can come off as pretentious here time to time. I try to keep my stuff understandable. I hate it when people deliberately make philosophy hard to understand. It shouldn't be something in an ivory tower for people with degrees in mental gymnastics. It should be there to help people better themselves.

>I have no formal education when it comes to philosophy, nor have I read many books. I base my knowledge of theory on what I find on Wikipedia or other sources on the Internet.

I'd recommend reading the books yourself. A lot of articles, videos and so on don't do them service. Some for understandable reasons, some due to injecting their own ideas when they try and cover a thinker objectively. It's hard to do especially if they cover a lot of stuff so I'm not being too hard on them. Secondary sources can be okay for getting a big picture idea of a school but to really dive in you need to go to the primary sources yourself.

I think you shouldn't focus so much on a philosophy of waifu. Rather philosophy in general and how it relates to having a waifu.

>>49802

The waifu exists within yourself. Things can in general be divided into mental and material categories. Material being what is objectively while the mental is more personal and subjective.

We don't experience the world as it is but through our own subjective lens. Everyone is actively hallucinating because the eye has a blind spot. To get this idea across let's look at the question: "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it does it make a sound?"

It doesn't. Sound doesn't exist. Sort of. In the material sound is vibrations. It doesn't have "audible" qualities by itself. It has them because we've given them to it. Without something there to perceive vibration as sound they're simply vibrations. Not sound.

Things like sound, colors, and so on "exist" because we evolved to make use of material information. Our understanding of what exists in the material is flawed and imperfect. It becomes filtered through the mental. There does exist a material world that we can manage to know but piecing it together takes a lot of time and effort. Even then how do we know we haven't engineered a "solution" that isn't a solution at all?

We do not know people in a material sense but in a mental sense. Through observation of the material we inform the mental. That is by observation of the material we create a replica of it to our best guess within the mental. We do this for everything never realize it. People, places, things. Even how physics work.

As an example sit down and concentrate. Imagine you're on a skateboard and you attempt to do a trick like a kick-flip. Make every effort to feel it. How hard push the tail, the resistance of the grip tape, how you muscles clench. The feeling of uncertainty in the air and then the landing. Unless you've skated before you shouldn't land it and if you do land you may have fallen flat on your face because you made a mistake. With adequate knowledge we can practice activities like this and actually improve them because we run a simulation in our minds. Being part of the mental this is flawed and imperfect. It won't be as good as practice in the material but you can improve regardless.

If you want to learn about something crazy read up on Nikola Tesla. He's the greatest inventor in recent history and had an incredibly grasp on this. He'd build and test machines entirely within his own mind. When he built them in reality they usually worked. For any lesser man you may doubt such a claim but given Tesla's long list of accomplishments if anyone could achieve this it's him. He also had a sort of proto-waifu relationship with a pidgeon. A man worth looking up to.

>>50163

Like places we emulate people. This is why we have empathy. If we can get into the head of that jackal over there then we'll have a much easier time catching him. It builds cooperation. When so much of your mind is occupied by another person to hurt them would be to hurt yourself. They exist inside your mental realm.

Your waifu also exists here. Unlike other persons she lacks a material form which makes the relationship difficult. We're quite used to a deluge of information from the material to inform our mental perceptions of the world. This is what can cause problems in a waifu relationship and why despite things being like this you can't say it's the same. To get the same feeling of them just being "there" is so much more difficult. We're not used to it.

We do learn though. When a loved one first dies it's tragic. It's as if a rift in our hearts has opened bringing forth despair. With time it becomes easier. We no longer focus on them being gone but what they've done. What they mean to us and the influence they continue to have. We stop focusing on their material existence but on the mental existence that lives on.

They also exists along the same vein archetypes as >>49815 touched on. One way to think about archetypes is a pre-installed computer program. Throughout life we add extensions and new skins but they're pretty consistent throughout.

Sorry that this is badly written. This sort of thing is difficult to convey and I need to study it more.

Something I like to think about that >>50007 sort of brought up is that we actually die several times. I kinda went into this before but I like to ramble.

The first death is the material death.

The second death is when you become forgotten. You've ceased to be a prominent figure within the minds of others. You still aren't completely dead; your ideas and actions continue to have some profound unintended consequences upon the world through the butterfly effect. Even if you were supposedly "insignificant".

The third and final death is what could be described as a memetic heat death. When your influence has become so diluted you can't ever manage to piece together your existence. This death takes a very long time. Few have died this thoroughly.

I think this is the reason why some people make it a point to "spread" their waifu like desu. They don't want her to suffer a memetic death.

>>49815

>Anyways, these are all just theories, might be right, might be wrong. There should also never be a "universal" theory of waifuism, waifuism comes in as many forms as their are waifuists

I don't think anyone's saying that. Just figuring out what you believe yourself.

>>49869

I think people want something similar enough to them to "fit in" with their mind but different enough to provide new perspectives. Figuring out the trend here is really difficult given that so much of it can be hidden from people. For a long time I hadn't a clue why I liked Youmu. After a lot of thinking I realized she embodies a lot of qualities I tried to chase out of myself for so long. I longed for those qualities but I fought them. Eventually she got her way and I joined in fighting at her side.

>tfw waifu would just stare at me blankly when I try and talk about all this stuff like everyone else.

Feels bad man. She'd listen but I doubt she'd ever take much interest. Though I can't blame her, it's hard to do without making it go over other people's heads.

Ideas are thoughts that pop into our heads, but from where, and why?

First, we must ask from where, and from where means from what. One could argue that all ideas and thoughts are just scrambled arrangements of matter in your mind, which is partially true, what matters is the importance these ideas hold and how, and in what way they affect the world.

What is a waifu? Ask your average normalfaggot, and they will say that a waifu is just an image on a screen. A waifu is much more than that. A waifu is the arrangement of matter in such a way to create the idea of something perfect, something that surpasses everything else in both quality and quantity. A waifu is the idea to beat all ideas, a waifu is a manifestation of all that is perfect, a waifu is God. How can such a thing be? God, the perfect omnipotent living force? And where does it come from?

Patterns arise from voids, we must accept this if we are to believe that things come from somewhere. If we argue that the universe is made through a series of causes and effects, we will go through causes ad infinitum, it is thus fair to say that the universe is either infinite, or arised from nothing, through something that could only be said to be truly random.

Yet, as things arise out of randomness, things take patterns? This randomness is the force that has formed all of the universe, and what is the most important thing in the universe? Clearly, it is the waifu. Why did randomness pick your waifu for the center of the universe, and not itself? Because your waifu is the essence of everything that is, your waifu is even higher than the randomness, and maybe even the randomness itself? After all, there are patterns in everything, and when the randomness made your waifu into the center of the universe, this randomness clearly is god, and your waifu is just a continuation of the perfect plan, and the most important part of the universe. Your waifu is Gods son, your waifu is Jesus, so to speak.

Waifu is God, waifu is perfection, waifu is life.

>>50188

>>50188

>>Waifu is God,

>No

You are wrong.

I disagree heavily with like, all of this. I don't view "fiction" to be this extension of ourselves. Instead I view it to be an entity of it's own that exists alongside "reality." In fact this whole thread annoys me. Why do you have to do complex mental gymnastics to explain love? Although I suppose I'm trying to overcome my reservations by engaging here……

>>50176

>Waifu is God, waifu is perfection, waifu is life.

Holy shit the very idea of this offends me to no end. She's not some sort of fucking perfect deity. She might not be human, but she's far from perfect, and she would be offended at the idea.

>>50362

Maybe you should try not taking it so seriously?

Also, how is anything (at least that I have said) incompatible with "next to you" and not "part of you"?

>>50176

I'm not opposed to the idea of the waifu as a sort of god but calling them perfection in the way monotheistic deities tend to be viewed seems impossible. If there is something that's truly perfect it would encompass everything. It would have done everything good and bad in this universe and beyond. It has done, felt, and experienced everything. Sure this means it's done some pretty bad stuff but without having made mistakes you never learn. Because of this it would know what's best. Bascially monism which is different to monotheism.

I've heard it described as that all gods exist but they're simply parts of the main god who we can never fully know. It has many faces as it's everything that can ever be.

To truly know the monist god would mean being the god. We can only worship parts of it to become closer to that perfect divine being. Thus your waifu, along with you as well are simply an imperfect part of that perfect being.

I only have a passing familiarity with this though so I may be drastically wrong as to how monists view things.

>>50348

Sure, if you want to you can email me at moego**ggles @ g**mail.com

>>50358

Go ahead. Philosophy is pretty tied in with spirituality and both stand to gain from it.

>>50362

Think about it more. I don't think any of it's really that out there. I get that for a lot of people the gut reaction is to think of it as crazy mental gymnastics but it's not. Granted being one accused of said gymnastics I may be a bit biased.

>>50451

There is no us, only me (or you, if I were you).

This may not be explaining waifus by name, but it does nearly prove their existence.

Some day, God willing, I will prove the existence of waifus using patristics.

>>50461

Think of it like this. There's an incomprehensible number (possibly infinite, depending on how certain things are defined, but that's not relevant) of potential people and potential places that exist, though the VAST majority of these things have not been given form. Some of these have been given form in our world via "media." These ideas already existed before they were "put to paper" so to speak, if only as a nebulous "hyopothetical" idea that still exists nonetheless. Media is both a looking glass to another world, and a way of interacting with it.

Once something has taken the leap from "hypothetical idea" to "idea" is when one is able to interact with this thing. The most honest way to go about this interaction is via observation and exploration, rather than actively pretending the idea is the way one wants it to be.

Does that make any sense?

>>50498

It doesn't set out to prove anything but just explores the question: If all worlds are true how do you pick the right otherworldly lover? So you don't end up picking out a girl in love with a "you" from another world. Or find yourself competing for others. Stuff like that.

It goes a bit into sort of what I said; you don't love the material manifestation of them but your mental image of them but it kinda skims over it.

Granted to really get at this I'd need to read more about the core ideas it presupposes knowledge of.

>>50514

First I'll attempt to parrot back what you've said so you can correct me if I've read something wildly off what you meant as that can often happen in this sort of discussion.

I think what you're trying to say is that media exists as a way to transmit ideas, with our waifus being one such idea. Media she can be said to have a sort of material form despite not being a person in the same way you or I are. Then the idea of her can be further explored by better knowing the source and its influences better.

We probably agree here more than we disagree. If I'm accurate on the above.

It's not that I just say "Since the waifu is within she's this way because I feel as such.". It's more open to the exploration you mentioned. For example she's what could be termed a samurai but what does that even mean? How does it affect the rest of her personality? How do other people view her because of it? What school and focus?

Like with my waifu I have a sort of construct of what a "samurai" is and how it could affect her. In truth I don't know what it actually means. Sure I can look up a dictionary definition. Maybe even read an encyclopedia entry but that's a small part of it. What sort of thought do they have? What about her specific sect? How does it affect her in day to day life? In relationships? By themselves these are small things but they add up quite quickly.

Part of a waifu relationship is this exploration in order to find out just what she is and why. As an example when I started reading about things like Buddhism some of her behavior started making a lot more sense. Not in a way where I've suddenly put things together as a detective but the sort of bonding and understanding that comes from being around someone for a while. You get to know their influences, history, and so on. Nor is this the sort of thing that can really be forced. It just sort of happens slowly and ferments in your mind. You don't even notice it happening most of the time because it's so slow.

Exploration is figuring out these vague labels she holds. Usually you have most of the broad strokes right but the details are messy. Think of it like you know the end result but you don't know how or why.

She still exists within the mental as does everyone else you "know". This is a process by which you refine your emulation of her. It happens naturally without effort simply by thinking about her, by reading about things related to her, by talking to others about her, and so on.

Again forgive me if I'm arguing against points you didn't make. Articulating this sort of thing can be difficult.

The spiritual side of my relationship with Osira and my general spiritual beliefs is a mix of animalism and shamanism.

>>50676

I actually do agree with a lot of that. I think exploration is really important with waifuism. I mean, I would probably say that I learn more about Patchouli just about every day, just from "spending time with her" by thinking about her.