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 No.66758

A thread to discuss philosophical considerations on waifuism.

Feel like sharing your personal definition of ‘’waifu’’ or ‘’waifuism’’? You are eager to know others’ position on a particular topic? You have some food for thought to provide? Bring it here!

Keep rules 7 and 8 in mind if you feel like debating and expressing disagreement.

 No.66759

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Here’s a little food for thought and I’ll like to know everyone’s opinion on that.

There is something inherently paradoxal in waifuism. Indeed, for many waifuists, if not all, waifuism seems to involve a deep yearning to end waifuism. Before you angrily jump to any conclusion, just let me explain.

Most waifuists appear to wish that they could be concretely united with their waifu. Either one wishes his waifu to just magically appear into existence, or wish to join her in her world/dimension (or vice versa), or hope to be united with her in the afterlife, there is often this wish to go beyond imagination in order to live a fully ‘’real’’ and mutual relationship. If such wish was ever to be granted, the reality and the tangibility of the relationship would mean that this relationship could no longer be defined as ‘’waifuism’’. Therefore, one could say that a waifuist’s deepest wish is to not be a waifuist anymore. And to state it in an even bolder manner, one could say that a waifuist wishes, in some way, to go 3D, implying that by becoming real, the waifu would no longer be 2D.

Of course one could say he doesn’t want to be concretely united with his waifu because he fears that his waifu would not love him if she ever was to know him. Still, I would say this person DOES want to be concretely united with his waifu, but at the condition that his waifu would love him back. One could think of other scenarios where a similar explanation could be provided (e.g. one’s waifu has a canon love interest).

Therefore, waifuism seems not to be an end in itself, but more like a drive that pushes one towards something he could unfortunately never reach completely (which leads many of us to collect thousands of pics of our waifu and buy expansive merch). It’s roughly similar to hunger, as hunger is not an end in itself but a drive that ultimately wishes to disappear by gaining the food it wishes for.

On the other hand, there might be some waifuists out there who, for whatever reason, would not want to be united concretely with their waifu. Maybe these are people with pronounced schizoid tendencies who really feel more comfortable in a relationship with a fictional character and would feel uncomfortable if the said character would come to life? But even if this case, I’m sure there still is some longing for tangible contact with the waifu.


 No.66760

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>>66759

Makes sense. Waifuists are defined by having a waifu. The goal of a waifuist is to lose that status. It's a paradoxical mindset if you put it like that.

Though the way I see it, having her become real isn't the goal. The goal is much simpler, it's just to feel love. Waifufag is defined by having a waifu. Then not having a waifu would be paradoxical to the definition. A waifufag's goal is to feel love. Then the goal of not feeling love would be paradoxical to the mindset.

Whatever hopes or justifications a waifufag has (like believing in an afterlife) is to chase that love. When love is reciprocated that love becomes stronger. So wanting your 2D love to be real is just wanting your love to be reciprocated and thus to become stronger.

For most waifufags or at least the ones you're talking about they're a "person in love" first then waifufag is a smaller classification of that.

So I don't think it's paradoxical at all but it's just a matter of the meaning of words.

>Therefore, waifuism seems not to be an end in itself, but more like a drive that pushes one towards something he could unfortunately never reach completely (which leads many of us to collect thousands of pics of our waifu and buy expansive merch). It’s roughly similar to hunger, as hunger is not an end in itself but a drive that ultimately wishes to disappear by gaining the food it wishes for.

If love itself is the goal then the goal of having a waifu can be reached. Though the hunger analogy is still apt. Love is a never ending hunger. Having her become real and reciprocate your feelings is like your measly potato grub suddenly become a king's feast everyday. But the hunger is still there until you die.


 No.66761

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>>66759

I would agree that most waifufags that I see around and that are involved in waifu communities tend to want something tangible.

Now the other point of view is that 3D or even a partner that can be interacted with is rejected completely for a number of reasons, like low self-image, distrust, misanthropy or misoginy(the actual thing), or even disgust with the physical nature of human beings, etc. I'd say this line of thought stems back from the old-/a/ view that everything 3D is inherently bad, as the term originally comes from a forum of social outcasts, NEETs and shut-ins who used anime as a release from reality, as escapism.I feel like this sentiment is what originally was behind the term "waifu" when it first came up. Also likely the reason why people bring up that waifus started as a joke originally.

Now the type that wants tangibility tends to be more positively influenced by the love they have found in my experience. They found inspiration in this character, whether it is something that they did, the way they conduct themselves, their personality or what else have you. The other type seems rather prone to have them as only an avatar or some character that they can latch onto, without having an actual emotional connection towards them apart from physical attraction or some quirks of theirs. In fact, without meaning to offend anyone, I would say that most people that reject tangibility are not serious about their love.

Waifuism tends indeed to be self-defeating as its goal is to show love to an individual that can, to our knowledge of the universe, not possibly receive the message. The state of the waifuist is one of constant wishful thinking and the futility of showing love to an entity that cannot receive the messages.

This makes waifuism one of the strangest forms of love there is, as the emotion that would normally correspond to a symbol that signifies something tangible in the world instead corresponds to an idea, yet it attaches to that the desire of wanting to show love to it in an interpersonal way as opposed to say a God, who is understood to be inherently loving or you at least have some kind of knowledge as to how to earn that God's love or blessings, while a character's feelings can usually be as whimsical as any person's. The rational waifuist thus also experiences constant uncertainty.

Ultimately I would propose that the desired state of the waifuist (apart from transcending the laws of the known universe, in which case as you pointed out correctly you would not be a waifufag anymore) is trust in his love and acceptance of its nature. That is to say trust in the validity and genuineness of his love, whether received or not, and the acceptance of its futility and irreciprocity.


 No.66766

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>>66759

Adding something to the discussion here.

Waifuism is, I think, one of the most correct cases of an 'Impossible Good End' like I like to call it. It's a desire that can't be ultimately fullfilled completely, so we search for some surrogates, something that can lesser the wish we have for her to be real. They can come close to, but they'll never be the 'real' thing, the ultimate object of our wish. A neverending hunger.

I think there is a definition for this kind of behaviour in psychology too, the 'we all follow an impossible happiness' thing. At least it has been widely explored in poetry - the italian Ugo Foscolo comes to my mind. The masks idea of Pirandello, too. The idea that we are condemned to be in this unfullfilled state is cause of depression and other bad stuff for a considerable part of us (me included).

tl;dr Waifuism is in fact, the true Impossible Love. At least, in the form we classically give to Love.

A rather interesting fact. There is - for now - no escape to this, and we know it will be a hard ride, but we still go for it. It makes you wonder how much humans can sacrifice themselves for the sake of following a dream, an inner desire.

>>66761

>Ultimately I would propose that the desired state of the waifuist is trust in his love and acceptance of its nature.

I agree. Acceptance is the only way to go, at least for now. Because yes, I am one of those who'll never lose hope. I am that committed to it.


 No.66767

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>>66760

>Though the way I see it, having her become real isn't the goal. The goal is much simpler, it's just to feel love.

I understand what you mean, and one could say that having one’s waifu to become real is in fact the mean to feel love, although I think it would be more appropriate to say ‘’sharing love’’ rather than ‘’feeling love’’. Still, I would say that having one’s waifu become real would offer more than just the opportunity to share love. Indeed, sharing love is one of the many positive aspects that one can obtain in a love relationship (some others being sharing sexuality, having a confidant, having a friend, having somebody to build a life project with, etc.). So these would be all the different goals. But considering that the sum of all these things is the actual love relationship, it appears appropriate for me to say that the goal is to have one’s waifu become real, as it implies getting the actual love relationship with all its advantages.

>Waifufag is defined by having a waifu. Then not having a waifu would be paradoxical to the definition. A waifufag's goal is to feel love. Then the goal of not feeling love would be paradoxical to the mindset.

Not having a waifu anymore by having one’s waifu becoming real does not result in not feeling/sharing love. On the contrary, it provides the chance to actually live this experience. The waifu does not just disappear, she becomes real.

>When love is reciprocated that love becomes stronger.

Exactly. That is why I said ‘’sharing love’’ seems a more precise terminology than ‘’feeling love’’.

>For most waifufags or at least the ones you're talking about they're a "person in love" first then waifufag is a smaller classification of that. So I don't think it's paradoxical at all but it's just a matter of the meaning of words.

I think I understand what you mean, but for me, the paradox in waifuism doesn’t lie in the love itself, but in the way this love can be lived. Waifuism is a type of relationship (I know some disagree with the term ‘’relationship’’ so we could simply say ‘’type of love’’) that is often presented as an end in itself. But while it might be liven as an end in itself (due to the impossibility of concretely be with one’s waifu), there is this internal yearning for it to NOT be an end in itself (i.e. having one’s waifu become real, therefore erasing the ‘’waifuism’’ aspect in the relationship).

>If love itself is the goal then the goal of having a waifu can be reached.

I’m not sure to understand what you mean by that.

>Love is a never ending hunger. Having her become real and reciprocate your feelings is like your measly potato grub suddenly become a king's feast everyday. But the hunger is still there until you die.

That is perfectly true.


 No.66771

>>66766

Nice post, Meilingbro. Many of my favourite classical poems were the most tragic tales of longing, and dealing with absence or loss. I think all waifuists deal with some form of this feeling of absence/longing. It just seems to impact some a lot harder than others.

Certainly, I wish I felt a stronger connection with my waifu.. I feel so distant from my love, even though I know I am partially to blame, as it is a result of my own cynicism and emotional aloofness.

Sometimes I fiercely debate with my own self whether there is truly any importance in love, and if it can even help me at all to feel happy. All I know as of now, is that it hurts the most when the answer is both yes, and also yes. But I am still too emotionally blunted to know what that is even supposed to mean, or how I should even feel about that.


 No.66772

>>66767

Ahh to put a drawn out essay simple, all a "waifufag" is to me is a person in love->that person happens to love a fictional creation.

A person in love is a person in love even if they have contradictions.

Psychoanalysis doesn't interest me so much.

Though on a side note Flanman, your waifu is pretty interesting isn't she? Cuteness and madness that coexist in the same body. My waifu is similar, and her contradictory personality grips my heart.


 No.66774

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I had a discussion with a friend a few weeks ago about waifuism.

He was arguing that if one waifu became real, she'd be an entirely different person, just because she's real. Not only that talk about "if she were real, she wouldn't love you", but he'd say that her personality and looks would be entirely different, new, just because she's real.

Thoughts about this?


 No.66775

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>>66774

Well, about the looks thing, of course something different will happen - she'd have to bend to the 3D world and its rules, so obviously she'd look not exactly the same. But I disagree with the 'being an entirely different person' part. Why?

Meiling will always behave and be Meiling, even in our world. I don't see a reason why she'd be or act differently. The character of a person is not influenced by that kind of stuff.

Maybe living in our world would have an impact on her, if that's what he means. But only slightly, and I honestly don't even believe this. She is strong, even in her soul.

Also how 'new'? I'd like to know what he meaned honestly. I'm curious.


 No.66777

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>>66774

That sounds dumb. The only way I think that could conceivably prove true is if they're a character with little-to-no development, and something of their character turned out to be different than the waifuist imagined them to be. But the idea of her entire character spontaneously changing just because she's in the real world seems preposterous, I see no reason to believe that. That's like saying my personality would randomly change just because I'm in a different geographical location. There's nothing to suggest such a thing.

As for whether or not she'd love you, that depends entirely on a number of factors and would be really hard to say.


 No.66782

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>>66775

>why

From what I understood, there is something in every waifu that's made from headcanon, because there isn't enough information about every aspect of their personality and tastes.

So, with more headcanon there is, more chances for it to be different.

Maybe there is a part of his argument that says she'd be different because real women also have a lot of stuff that 2D women don't, like hormone changes and stuff.

>>66777

>That's like saying my personality would randomly change just because I'm in a different geographical location. There's nothing to suggest such a thing.

While it wouldn't change quickly, there is a part of the personality that's based around your ambient, like friends, family etc. Studies say that personality is based both on nature and nurture, so a big change, like in dimension might indeed have some changes in the long run.


 No.66787

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>>66782

>While it wouldn't change quickly, there is a part of the personality that's based around your ambient, like friends, family etc. Studies say that personality is based both on nature and nurture, so a big change, like in dimension might indeed have some changes in the long run.

In the long run, sure, her experiences might lead to her developing or changing in some way. But it sounds like the person who you were talking to was insinuating that her personality would change suddenly, just on account of her being in this world. That's the part I find preposterous. Change is possible, yes, but any change would be natural and gradual, not spontaneous.


 No.66817

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I just practice the basics that we all seem to have unanimously agreed on being said or unsaid, I have dubbed this practice: Trad-Waifuism as opposed to what polyfags practice, Anarcho-Waifuism.

That being

>Voluntary Celibacy

>Self improvement for your waifu's sake

>Only love your waifu

>Buy merch and commissions as a means to have her around

>Hugging the dakimakura of your waifu is a mentally, physically, and spiritually relaxing experience. It is an embrace across dimensions.

I think I can even help Anons who struggle with the lack of intimacy, as it was something I struggled with in the beginning, one just has to remind himself of the following.

The romance that you dream of with your waifu, the idealized depiction shown in the media, does not exist in reality. It never did, marriage back then was for property rights and now it's for women to get an alimony payment. If one ever finds themselves with a chance to have sex, remind yourself it would just be a momentary thing, remind yourself to stick with the girl your heart loves, that being your waifu, and disregard whatever your dick loves.

The endgoal for waifuism, for me at least, is a solitary and quiet life with me and a few dakis of Lilly and some figures of our kids, I want to be buried with them all when I die. Maybe it's partly because very few people ever treated me right, but I think all I want is the world to leave me alone with the only person who ever showed me proper love.


 No.66828

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>>66817

I'm not sure I agree with your statement that idealized love is impossible or doesn't exist in reality. It's become increasingly rare, certainly, and always has been, but I wouldn't say it's impossible–for example, look at my parents. They're quite happy with each other. And I think if Ruby were real, I could still have the same kind of love I envision with her. I'm not a waifuist because I hate real women or think love is impossible, I'm a waifuist because I love Ruby more then I could possibly love anybody else. It's not about hating 3D or preferring 2D for me, it's about the fact that Ruby is my one and only, regardless of whether she's real or not. I think people who treat waifuism as some sort of MGTOW thing are missing the point.

Also, I would equate merch and commissions to something more like a framed picture around the house. They don't allow for an actual experience, but serve to remind you of how much you love her, how beautiful she is, etc. So you're right to say they are a way to have her around, in a sense, but I wouldn't say they're the only way–I would say that imagining her with me is the primary way I have her around, it allows me to have some semblance of a relationship with her and spend actual time with her, even if it's not actually real.

Overall, though, I wholeheartedly agree with the core principles of staying faithful and dedicated to her and only her, I would hope that's something we can all get behind.


 No.66831

>>66758

Why are just some characters allowed to be waifus and others are not?

Why waifus have to be 2D only?


 No.66832

>>66831

>Why are just some characters allowed to be waifus and others are not?

The only characters 'not allowed to be waifus' are the ones who break the board rules about it e.g. ponies, OC, animals and whatnot.

Everyone else is just being a weeb/butthurt faggot about it.

>Why waifus have to be 2D only?

'Cause that's just the rules here. There is actually a '3d waifu' board that technically gets more traffic than here, or at least more activity.

I don't actually like the idea of 'waifuing' someone who does exist, like a 3d, because then it kind of seems like stalker behavior imo.

I'm wondering why I haven't seen this before though: someone with a waifu from a movie or tv show, who was portrayed by a 3d. That 'waifu' board I was talking about is full of people obsessed with the celebs themselves, but I'm talking about someone who fell in love with a character that they portrayed, not the actor. I don't think I've ever encountered anything like that before.


 No.66834

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>>66832

>I don't actually like the idea of 'waifuing' someone who does exist, like a 3d, because then it kind of seems like stalker behavior imo

I agree, it seems kind of disturbing to 'waifu' a real person.

>I'm wondering why I haven't seen this before though: someone with a waifu from a movie or tv show, who was portrayed by a 3d. That 'waifu' board I was talking about is full of people obsessed with the celebs themselves, but I'm talking about someone who fell in love with a character that they portrayed, not the actor. I don't think I've ever encountered anything like that before.

I haven't either, frankly I'm kind of surprised we haven't had somebody like that. That begs the question, would somebody waifuing a fictional character from a live-action source be accepted here?


 No.66835

>>66832

Why are cartoon characters like ponies not acceptable? should waifus be only waifus if you can find them in MyAnimeList.net?


 No.66836

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>>66835

Generally speaking, western cartoon characters are accepted. My wife is even from a western show.

I think ponies specifically are prohibited because of the perceived cancerousness of the fanbase surrounding them.


 No.66837

>>66836

>perceived

Try "objective"


 No.66838

>>66835

>Why are cartoon characters like ponies not acceptable?

Simply because the BO said so. The MLP fandom was always infamous for being cancer, so he was just preventing the board from being shit up.

Again, the rule doesn't say "no cartoons", it says "no ponies". I don't know if you're dense and can't comprehend it, or just a troll…


 No.66839

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>>66758

I have many viewpoints about waifuism, but i'm too slothful so i'll summarize it in a few words; Just live your life like she'd wants you to live it, improve, get out of your shell, go against fate etc you know the drill.

Your waifu wont save you, but she'll give you the help to save yourself, it all depends on you. Don't let the fact that she's not real discourage you.

I have lot more to say but i prefer to keep it to myself, but i admit i agree with >>66759 >>66766 and >>66817 good posts.


 No.66859

What is everyone's stance on fetishes and your waifu? i have some fetishes that I would prefer to not associate her with, but I also feel like I'm cucking her if I fap to other characters.


 No.66860

>>66859

>What is everyone's stance on fetishes and your waifu?

That is a loaded question in this realm.


 No.66861

>>66859

Would she be into them? Can you see her getting into them, perhaps for your sake? Then go for it.

In my experience sexual stuff doesn't "taint" your waifu as much as you may think it does as long as you don't overdo it and you can get your head out of the gutter. Just feel out what you think is right and furthers your relationship the best. It's a bit of trial and error. What you do with your waifu is you guys' thing and you shouldn't let other people influence you too much.


 No.66866

>>66859

I would tend to agree with >>66861. There's not much more to be said, I think he summed it up well. As long as it's not something she'd dislike or be uncomfortable with, then I'd say you're fine.


 No.66876

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>>66772

>Though on a side note Flanman, your waifu is pretty interesting isn't she? Cuteness and madness that coexist in the same body.

Flandre is indeed interesting, but the whole ‘’madness’’ thing is not much supported by canon. It’s an idea that is however depicted in various fan creations. I personally prefer to think of her as simply eccentric.

>>66859

As the sexual life of one character is rarely canonically elaborated, its sexual tastes are therefore anyone’s guess. I suggest you simply follow your heart on this question and make use of headcanon.

I guess one can also make the difference between having a personal fantasy involving one’s waifu and actually doing it with her.

I still had (and continue to have from time to time) my fair share of guilt on this subject, so good luck, anon.


 No.66971

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Minor spoilers for Toradora ahead if anyone cares. Replying cross-thread because this seems like the more appropriate thread.

>>66924

>Do you believe in ghosts?

So first, concerning traditional ghosts, I'm pretty ambivalent to them, as in the existence of spirits of the dead and such. They have not revealed themselves to me, nor to anyone I know that seems credible. In that way my views are quite alike hers. Their appearance in folklore in seemingly all traditions throughout most of history would suggest that there is something to them, though. Whether those ghosts are meant as metaphores, for example to signify regret over not having reconciled with someone you cared for before they died or the actual manifestation of some ethereal being aside. I feel that the metaphorical ghost that pertains to your conscience is something that a lot of people experience and I won't deny the existence of the manifested ones, because I recognize that my tools of perception are limited. All in all, the metaphorical version seems more likely, I guess.

Now Minori likens ghosts to idealized romantic love, like people who are seemingly meant to meet and love each other for life. She herself believes in that and that she will have it at some point, but has resigned herself to thinking that it's not real, because she has not experienced it herself and does not believe the people that say they have. She actively avoids the belief, maybe as a defense mechanism in case her worries turn out to be true, to avoid having to deal with the regret of chasing after it and ending up not finding it. Maybe as a kind of reverse psychology, which makes an interesting parallel back to ghosts in the way she says she dislikes horror to make others scare her, but actually enjoys getting scared. Just guesses as to why she thinks like that though, though.

In canon her point of view is basically that Taiga and Ryuuji are made for each other and that she wants to step back from those two, because it would create division and she probably feels like they are "ghosts" in the love way, just they don't realize it. Her own feelings are ambiguous at this point in the story, but it's quite possible that she knows what Ryuuji feels, since she is very astute and tends to see through a lot of different things throughout the series and it turns out in the end that she was right. Regardless this is probably another reason why she talks about love in this way in the show.

As for me, well I believe to have found that "Ghost", although her manifestation is one out of reach. Which weirdly goes back to the literal ghost that is generally impalpable. What she means though is probably more like finding true love in a tangible person with those "made for each other" qualities. Or perhaps it's more of a broad idea that can include more than that? Seems far-fetched, but I don't think it's impossible. She is very open-minded, so who knows. Someone who is interested in the paranormal like her might think like that. That idea makes the whole thing a bit uncanny for me when I think that she could, even if it's just potentially, mean someone outside her frame of reference. And the fact that this metaphore is such a running theme with her as well.

So, I guess I've found a "Ghost", yet she eludes me. Will I ever be united with her in a palpable way? Where my ego as I know it now is intact and she is as well completely true to her personality and an independent agent? Who knows. But I don't bank on it. It seems like it's impossible, but that's what I thought of falling in love with a fictional character before and here I am now, writing a wall of text about a metaphore she makes in a Light Novel written 11 years ago. In the end it's outside of my control and if the "Ghost" is to reveal herself to me, then it will not be of my own power. Just as the ghost hunter isn't more likely to encounter real ghosts, but is rather likely to delude himself into thinking he's encountered them, when really there was probably a rational explanation for what happened to make him think that way.


 No.66980

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>>66971

An interesting metaphor that gets more interesting when your love is impossible.

But basically, you can't believe in true love until you experience it. And you say you can't believe in the miracle of being with Minori until you experience it.

I suppose it's just a matter of taking a leap of faith. And for Minori if she never leaps she never hurts herself. Actually in this case, whether you believe or not you might just be pushed off the cliff. You find the ghost whether you want to or not.

Is it enought to just say it's possible?

>Do you believe in ghosts?

>Who knows, anything is possible.


 No.66992

>>66980

>Is it enought to just say it's possible?

Well it's the best answer I have to the question. Sure it's always nice to have more certainty, but holding onto a belief won't change the truth, so I deal with the fact that it is uncertain.


 No.67063

File: 73da09bb15e5df4⋯.jpg (42.43 KB, 271x500, 271:500, Questioning Fuuka.jpg)

I don't see much need for a philosophy, waifuism is like normal unrequited love, where even if you wanted to confess you aren't able to, yet you still do things that you believe they would love or like you to do for them.


 No.67064

File: d1d0096b82933dd⋯.png (461.75 KB, 472x700, 118:175, df2800177c59f494a47c695ca5….png)

>>67063

Which is exactly the reason why we all opt to philosophize, to think about our what we feel right now, because we want to know what should we do to live life as if our loved ones know what we are doing. This is one of the many approaches that many philosophies use about the topic they want to discuss.


 No.67065

File: 6d09eaaa797b870⋯.jpg (227.18 KB, 576x504, 8:7, Fluffy Fuuka.jpg)

>>67064

I personally like to keep it simple.

I've spent a lot of time reflecting and thinking until I got to the point where I realized my love for Fuuka was just that, love.

There wasn't mucy else to it, I just did what I know Fuuka would like and lived a life that she'd be happy to see.


 No.67066

File: 5214db3644b1a77⋯.jpg (54.71 KB, 500x542, 250:271, __furude_rika_higurashi_no….jpg)

>>67063

Sure there is no great need.

Philosophy is a fun little language game people play.

And why connect it with waifus, well because the love of unreality brings many open ended questions.

My waifu's series itself asked many questions about the nature of fiction, and her alter-ego almost lives in a space between the reader and character.

It's fun to think about. In normal unrequited love you still have the freedom to reach out and touch her. You can still physically become a couple with luck and will. A waifu, I'd like to say the same but it's not that simple. That's what I like to talk about, would it be "possible" in the broadest sense of the word to reach out and find her?

Sure you love her, but what exactly do you love really? A non existence? Yourself? A ghost?


 No.67404

>>66837

You could say the same for any cartoon fanbase.


 No.67437

>>66817

Is it voulentary celebacy if you are in love with a woman? Like, doesn't that want to say that you want to be with somebody, but can't because she is not in this universe, so we don't want anyone but her. So wouldn't that make it involentary, since we didn't choose for the one we love to be from another world?

Confused.


 No.67443

File: 04a25b62fd92aa4⋯.jpg (412.4 KB, 1448x2048, 181:256, 68590550_p0.jpg)

>>66876

Yeah this is the right way of handling such a topic, which is already rather delicate of course. It is the same as with a 3D relationship in this specific scenario - and if there is no info on this like 99 times out of a hundred you go with >>66861 opinion.

And, lastly. Don't let your fetishes/inner desires shame or limitate youself, never. They are still a part of you, of what you are. Rejecting them is only going to make things worse. Use common sense obviously IE don't overdo it but still accept them.

Source - personal experience. Rejection is never the right path.

>>66839

This. Simple, and effective. This is what Meiling is for me - she helps me going on with life, because I let her help me. Just that keeps my mood brighter, everyday. Even when shit hits the fan.

So yeah I am glad I met her. I am living better, expecially in a spiritual way, because of her.


 No.67448

This might be more of a blogpost than anything, but oh well, I thought it would fit here. A lot of people say this lifestyle is depressing, but I don't think it is. To me, it feels so nice to be able to come home and pour over pictures of my spouse, my siblings, and our children. It doesn't make me sad at all.


 No.67460

File: f37cd09cb58a1b5⋯.png (976.28 KB, 1316x1716, 329:429, Db9Yj0EWkAMtwUC.png)

>>67448

I feel you. I don't find my relationship with Ruby all that depressing; I love imagining our life together and gushing over how great she is. She makes me happy, I don't think it's sad.


 No.67658

>>67448

The only reason people see it as depressing is because it's not the life they want.


 No.67659

File: 8aec07021a7342c⋯.gif (1.32 MB, 413x469, 59:67, tumblr_om672toc3m1vdwiwto1….gif)

I'm going to offer my own thoughts on the matter. I'll kick myself into gear and try to not stumble over my own thoughts like I typically do.

If you were to ask me, I think many of the people I would otherwise refer to as "outsiders" if I wasn't trying to remain as neutral as possible believe that waifuism is something that is "resorted to" out of some sense of desperation, and, as a result, those who hold this view see waifuism as a "coping method" used by the "ill", those they deem ill, at least. I hope I'm making sense.

For me (I'm truly the only person I can speak for; I only know my own thoughts and feelings absolutely) waifuism is a lifestyle choice, and my preferred way to love. It's a spiritual, mental, and deeply emotional connection to another individual who simply happens to not be here, whatever "here" may be. "Here" could potentially be anywhere. If I wished to, I could build a world inside of my mind and view it with my mind's eye when I pleased, and, this hypothetical place could be "here".

Waifuism is deep. Deeper than a lot of individuals are willing (or wanting) to go. It's within a realm that many don't even consider when they ponder the mysteries of the human condition and what it means to be a member of this specie.

I hope that made any sense at all. Feel free to rip me apart if I just chased my own figurative tail in circles like a court jester.


 No.67664

File: 27196239ae653af⋯.jpg (286.21 KB, 706x929, 706:929, 63804309_p0_master1200.jpg)

>>67659

I think you pretty much made sense. Especially when you're talking about people's misconceptions about it, and the part about it being a deep connection to her.

That's a cute .gif by the way


 No.67669

>>67664

Phew. I find, sometimes, when I start talking philosophy, I can lose track of myself and get lost in concepts and ideas that are, if not foreign, completely stupid. I'm glad I made enough sense.

Thank you! Kanna's endlessly adorable. I see myself as someone of a father figure to her, since Kobayashi and myself are both (technically) old enough to be parents, or, at least, legal guardians.


 No.67675

File: f087d3aaf3cc1a9⋯.jpg (413.53 KB, 856x1200, 107:150, 53944659_p0_master1200.jpg)

>>67669

>Phew. I find, sometimes, when I start talking philosophy, I can lose track of myself and get lost in concepts and ideas that are, if not foreign, completely stupid. I'm glad I made enough sense.

I know how you feel, I can get anxious about it too.

>Thank you! Kanna's endlessly adorable. I see myself as someone of a father figure to her, since Kobayashi and myself are both (technically) old enough to be parents, or, at least, legal guardians.

Oh, that's neat! We actually do have a thread about daughterus/sonfus if you want to talk about her.

There's a couple characters I feel that way about too, but I don't want to officially adopt any of them just yet. I want to wait until I've graduated and out on my own, it wouldn't feel right for me and Rubes to take in a kid right now.


 No.67678

>>67675

That's an honorable and reasonable way of looking at that sort of situation. I can't say I know a lot what 'officially' adopting a daughteru or sonfu entails, but, considering Kobayashi and I both work full-time, I don't think it'd be easy, even if Kanna IS a dragon. In my mind, Kobayashi had already accepted Kanna into her heart and welcomed her into her home. It wouldn't be right, respectful or reasonable for me to reject her, and not treat her as my own, even if she's not a child in the 'true' sense of the term.


 No.67680

>>67659

As an "outsider", for lack of a better term, I could give some perspective - both on my own perception of waifuism, and on how and why most "outsiders" see it as they do.

My perspective is simply this: people forming a strong and vivid mental and emotional bond with a fictional character. I've noticed a lot of similarities with religion - not any in particular, but it almost seems as though a waifu/husbando is like a personal goddess/god. Collecting memorabilia and making "altars", keeping figurine "idols", writing "hymns" telling of what you envision doing with your beloved, etc. Many waifuists even mention things about sharing the afterlife with their waifu. It's like a semi-organised group of highly-personal semi-religious experiences, akin to spirit guides, patron saints, guardian angels, inner godselves, or what have you, with a bit different of a relationship. That is to say, it's a spiritual relationship and also a romantic one.

And that is one reason why some "outsiders" may see waifuism as "crazy" - it has many similarities to religion in how many waifuists express their love and devotion, and that imagery may suggest, even unconsciously to some people, that waifuism is a religious cult worshipping anime girls. In addition, as anime and hentai are conflated for many people, most outsiders would assume less pure views and intents than most waifuists have. This is further propagated by the inherently sexual nature of most romantic relationships - the sexual drives are such a basic aspect of human behavior, psyche, etc. that most physical relationships are about sex to some degree. Reproduction is the ultimate biological impulse, and anything that would hamper that is generally seen as "unnatural". That is to say, most people cannot, on a fundamental level, comprehend what in their eyes is voluntary celibacy.


 No.67681

File: a7c25bff9955768⋯.jpg (82.04 KB, 850x834, 425:417, __kobayashi_kobayashi_san_….jpg)

>>67680

A wonderfully insightful response. I think I can say that I agree with just about everything said here. I myself have made the religion comparison before, when attempting to explain my relationship with Kobayashi to my friends (those close enough to me to not immediately hurl ridicule and outright malicious words my way, granted). I obviously don't 'worship' Kobayashi in the same way that someone might worship a deity, or deities, but, the comparison is very apt, and, in many ways, the ideas of faith and waifuism are very similar. Yet at the same time, as you mentioned, they're also fundamentally different from one another.

It's also interesting that you'd mention the role of sex in waifuism, and how 'outsiders' quite possibly (but surely not entirely) view the idea of waifuism to be nothing more than a group of pseudo-cultists sexualizing anime characters. To say that I don't find Kobayashi beautiful, in every way, both inside and out, would just be a straight lie, and I try to always tell the truth. I adore Kobayashi with my heart, mind, and soul, and I find every aspect of her to be beautiful. With that in mind, would I be opposed to getting into something sexual with her, once our relationship progressed to that point, and we both knew that sort of moment was viable? Of course. But the truth is that can never happen; and I'm happy to accept that. I value my relationship with Kobayashi, and I value our love enough to safely say that I can practice voluntary celibacy for her, and remain loyal to the amazing and simply wonderful bond we've forged together.

It's just love.


 No.67687

File: 50b4cb6aa00514e⋯.png (292.84 KB, 512x512, 1:1, 33595622_2118446998432543_….png)

>>67680

>>67681

Maybe it's because I'm a Christian, but I've never liked the religion analogy myself. I don't really 'worship' Ruby, I love her in a romantic way, not as a deity. To be fair, there are some similarities between waifuism and religious faith, but they're definitely different things. I wouldn't really broadly equate them.

As for the sexuality thing, I can appreciate Ruby in that way, at least through fantasy or the very small selection of tasteful images of that nature–but lust is not the main goal of the relationship. I love her in many other ways, and for much more then just something shallow like that. And of course, I know something like that would never be possible in real life, and I want absolutely nothing to do with 'real' sexual relationships or random pornography–I'm resolute to stay faithful to Ruby in that area. After all, I made a pledge to her, and I'm going to keep it.

>It's just love.

Yep. That's what it boils down to, at the end of the day.


 No.67689

>>67687

I absolutely wouldn't try to equate them, either. It wouldn't be fair to either, since both are so different from one another. One thing I will say is that it does seem to help 'outsiders' (for lack of a better word; if anyone would like to suggest a better and/or more appropriate term for non-waifuists, I'm open to suggestions) at least begin to see waifuism as more than raw lunacy. Of course, comparing the two isn't being entirely truthful, so I suppose this could open up a whole other can of worms.

At the end of the day, some people are more open-minded than others.


 No.67692

File: 25eac38426b8199⋯.jpg (310.31 KB, 800x700, 8:7, tumblr_obwe3bRfsj1uet5fdo1….jpg)

>>67689

Yeah, while I wouldn't make it personally I admittedly could see how the comparison could help in conversation. But yes, the fact that they aren't easily equated could open up a lot of room for misunderstanding, which is another reason why I'm not too keen on it in addition to my other personal reservations.

Don't take this the wrong way please, I'm not trying to be rude or anything. I'm just kinda opinionated on this topic is all, I don't mean to come off as prickly or something >.<

>for lack of a better word; if anyone would like to suggest a better and/or more appropriate term for non-waifuists, I'm open to suggestions)

It's better than a lot of others I've heard. Personally I think just something like 'non-waifuists' works best. It's still not the best, but it's descriptive and doesn't sound too arrogant or derogatory. I don't really like it when certain people call non-waifuists 'normies'.


 No.67698

>>67692

You don't come off in any way. All I see is someone speaking how they feel on a matter, and that's perfectly fine. It's what makes society's gears turn and keeps the machine that is human interaction humming and alive!

Regarding terminology, maybe "non-waifuist" would be best, not that it's really my place to decide. I only just showed up like a stray puppy, lol. "Normie" is not only derogatory but, if you'd ask me, it implies a sense of superiority and an "I'm superior to you, in my secret club" complex.


 No.67700

>>67675

Please stop saving images from pixiv as master1200 it hurts my soul.


 No.67701

>>67680

I don't think normalfags see it as some kind of idolatry for the most part, honestly. They just can't really wrap their heads around the concept of being genuinely in love with a fictional character and pursuing that as a relationship, it doesn't make sense for them. Waifufags tend to be a lot more romantic and idealistic about relationships than the average person I feel. For most people they would just move on if the relationship didn't work out (in my somewhat arrogant opinion because their bond was weak to begin with), if that were a crush on a fictional character they would just move on as well as if nothing happened.

If they can't get the sex, intimacy or whatever they're looking for in a relationship then they don't care to hang on to it. I would argue that they're more interested in what they get out of the relationship rather than being invested in the person they're with as they are.

For a lot of people the physical part of the relationship is an integral part of it, a lot of waifufags also don't have an easy time dealing with the lack of this aspect, but a lot of the shallow "outsiders" don't consider that most waifufags think quite a bit about the nature of their relationship and what it means for their future. They tend to be conceited about knowing better as they have the high ground of societal approval which they are conditioned to see as the right opinion to hold. Waifufags make for an easy target as their behavior is outlandish from a societal perspective and they are usually conflated with cringy weeabo culture which makes for an easy stereotype to make fun of.

What I'm saying is not to be applied to everyone of either group, it's just a tendency I see in both.


 No.67702

File: dfa2431d763d0d0⋯.jpg (417.8 KB, 700x989, 700:989, 63293493_p6_master1200.jpg)

>>67698

Relieved to hear I didn't come off that way, I guess I was just being overly self-conscious when I made that post.

>"Normie" is not only derogatory but, if you'd ask me, it implies a sense of superiority and an "I'm superior to you, in my secret club" complex.

Yep, that's why I have a problem with it.

>>67700

But all my own filenames are either unoriginal or cringe

>>67701

Yeah. I think that's more the case most of the time. Though it could be a bit of both, the misconception varies from person to person.


 No.67704

>>67702

When it says master1200 it means you are only saving the image up to 1200 pixels to either side, so if it's larger than that it's downscaled.


 No.67706

>>67704

Ah, I see. Is there any way to correct this?


 No.67707

>>67706

Click on them if it's a single image before saving or if it's an album click on the arrows at the corner, that way you get the full resolution.


 No.67708

>>67707

Ok, thanks!


 No.67710

>>67702

Leave the self-conscious and anxious behaviour to me, an expert in that field.




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