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 No.1007

 No.1008

AIDF

HIDE ISMAIL THREADS
IGNORE ISMAIL POSTS
DO NO RESPOND TO ISMAIL

> inb4 sigurismi gets me

 No.1009

>>1008
Revisionist pls go

 No.1010

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 No.1012

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>>1010
>FDR was a legitimate revolutionary
Hoxha denounced Browder so no.
>Mao = wow
>Cultural revolution = flawless plan
Obviously not since Hoxha shit all over both.
>Yugoslavia was SHIT
Well yeah, I'd say a state that got itself billions of dollars in debt and imposed austerity measures to pay it off, as well as shipped off a large portion of its labor force to the West and admitted that it had "socialist unemployment" is not a good model for socialism.
>GRORIOUS DPRK
Hoxha wasn't a big fan of that either.

 No.1013

>>1010

That's pretty inconsistent.

Now I'm not too knowledgeable about Hoxa, but it seems like on RevLeft (kek), many 'Hoxhaists' aprove of Stalin but disapprove of Mao? Why lol?

 No.1014

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>>1013
Look at the Sino-Albanian split article.

And once you've done that, read Hoxha's critique of Maoism: http://enver-hoxha.net/librat_pdf/english/imperialism-and-revolution/part2/III.pdf

 No.1017

>>1014
>read the article I wrote
>me I wrote it
>it's fair and balanced
>all my sources are my necrotic Albanian husbando's

>>1013
It's a game meant to encompass all marxist-leninists. Not all apply

>>1012
>state that spends 1/4 of GDP on bunkers many of which are pointed inward
>praise Mao until 1976
>GDP is hilariously tiny
>lowest standard of living in Europe
>nostalgia in the single percentiles
Albania confirmed for GOAT country
>inb4 too long rebuttal using the same cherry-picked sources both academic and bullshit to paint the same GLORIOUS ALBANIA picture as all RevLeft basement dwellers
>b-but muh PPSH
>muh anti-revisionism
>i-it was a great place to live I swear!

 No.1021

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>>1017
Any bunkers placed inward were because of the simple fact that paratroopers exist. The Albanian army, unlike that of the Soviet, Yugoslav and other revisionists, was not based on ranks but was based on the entire population taking up arms against an occupying force. Bunkers made sense for such a defense strategy.

As the article makes clear, the Albanians brought up various issues in private to the Chinese, and did not praise them for things that were clearly wrong (e.g. the rapprochement with US imperialism, extolling Maoism as a "higher stage" of Marxism-Leninism, etc.)

Albania had the "lowest standard of living" (by bourgeois criteria) in Europe in 1912, 1944 and 1991. You can't expect a country that didn't have a University until 1957 and a life expectancy of 38 in 1945 to suddenly eclipse the USA in material wealth. As one source notes, however, "one finds that the standard of living of the lowest-paid stratum of the Albanian working people is now [1988] higher than that of the lowest-paid stratum of the British working class. But, of course, comparison with other countries with a long history of developed industry, are not really relevant to the Albanian workers. For them, the relevant question is: has the standard of living improved and will it continue to improve?" (Perspectives on Albania, 1992, p. 135.)

It's especially weird for a "communist" to care about GDP. There are indicators that matter far more than that in terms of actual living standards.

 No.1022

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>>1017
Also the first article (on the Soviet-Albanian split) is classified as a "good article" by Wikipedia standards and the second will probably attain the same recognition one day, so unless "Hoxhaists" secretly control Wikipedia I think it's dumb to focus on the creator of the content rather than the content itself.

 No.1023

>>1010
I should make a trot/social Democrat version.
>call any communist you don't agree with a marxist-leninist
>whine about lgbtqwtfbbq
>drone on about privilege while being a middle class hipster who still lives off their parents money.

 No.1024

>>1023
Based mod filtering that word.

 No.1026

>>1014

The Sino-Albanian split was a correct line by the Albanians against the revisionist capitalist roader faction within the CPC. However I don't see why this has to extend to Mao himself and Maoism. It seems like a failure to understand the conflict between the capitalist roaders and socialist roaders.

 No.1027

>>1014

>On many of Mao Tsetung's theses, such as that about the handling of the contradictions between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie as non-antagonistic contradictions


I assume this is in refence to the strategic allience with the national bourgeoisie against the imperialists and comprador bourgeoisie?

I think to reject Mao's contributions about the united front concept and to deny the difference between antagonistic and non-antagonistic contradictions under different material conditions is to be overly dogmatic.

That's all I ever got out of reading those RevLeft Hoxhaists' posts: dogmatism.

>It seems that right up to the present quite a few have regarded Marxism-Leninism as a ready made panacea: Once you have it, you can cure all your ills with little effort. This is a type of childish blindness and we must start a movement to enlighten these people. Those who regard Marxism-Leninism as religious dogma show this type of blind ignorance. We must tell then openly, “Your dogma is of no use,” or to use an impolite formulation, “Your dogma is less useful than shit.” We see that dog shit can fertilize the fields and man’s can feed the dog. And dogmas? They can’t fertilize the fields, nor can they feed a dog. Of what use are they?


-Mao

 No.1033

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>>1027
What Mao did with "New Democracy" was qualitatively different from the road pursued by national liberation movements in Albania and elsewhere.

A good read on this is in a pamphlet which was apparently written by someone who took an intermediate line between the Albanian and Maoist positions, upholding the Albanian critique of Maoism insofar as "New Democracy" went: https://archive.org/details/SocialismCannotBeBuiltInAllianceWithTheBourgeoisie

To give one Mao quote from page 17: "In our country, the contradiction between the working class and the national bourgeoisie comes under the category of contradictions among the people…. The contradiction between the national bourgeoisie and the working class is one between exploiter and exploited, and is by nature antagonistic. But in the concrete conditions of China, this antagonistic contradiction between the two classes, if properly handled, can be transformed into a non-antagonistic one. However, the contradiction between the working class and the national bourgeoisie will change into a contradiction between ourselves and the enemy if we do not handle it properly and do not follow the policy of uniting with, criticizing and educating the national bourgeoisie, or if the national bourgeoisie does not accept this policy of ours. Dictatorship does not apply within the ranks of the people. The people cannot exercise dictatorship over themselves, nor must one section of the people oppress another. . . ."

 No.1034

>>1033

Both methods apparently worked though. So why be dogmatic about it?

 No.1036

>>1033

Reading more, it's a bit interesting. I wonder if it could be considered a right deviation. Or perhaps it was ideal? I guess I don't have that much knowledge about the material conditions at the time, so it's hard to say. Converting and convincing the bourgeoisie does seem a bit strange. But I suppose it worked didn't it?

 No.1037

>>1033

Also I think something to realize is that a lot of the great teachers didn't always do everything correctly. Stalin and Mao both made some mistakes but learned from them. I think at this time, during socialist construction, when rightists tend to come out of the woodwork, Mao maybe started to learn more about rightists within the party and methods for dealing with them. Even Marx himself wasn't always a Marxist, when he was still learning, etc. I think these leaders developed over time and did a lot of great things, so we shouldn't really be so quick to discount their contributions to Marxism. The next few pages start talking about the Liu-Teng faction and how Mao was worrying about the slowness of the transition, and wanted to speed it up. I think the cultural revolution was his way of trying to make the people realize the presence of the capitalist roaders and combat them.

I don't think it needs to be Mao vs. Hoxha. I think they probably both contributed good things.

 No.1038

>>1033

Alright I have to admit this got me thinking. Thanks.

 No.1039

>>1033

Yeah after reading that I'm thinking Mao seemed to have an incorrect line for a while. However, it seems like he later shaped up a bit, with the cultural revolution. I had always interpreted "the people" in On the Correct Handling… to mean the workers and peasants. But yeah he makes it quite clear, guess I didn't read it critically enough or something.

Well I learned something about Mao lol. I should like to read more about the next two decades though. It definitely seems like he started opposing them (Liu-Deng faction) more sharply later on. But yeah it seems like a significant mistake.

 No.1040

>>1033

Something you might want to take a look at is this:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1964/phnycom.htm

It seems quite correct to me. It's written in 1964. What do you think about what he says here?

 No.1041


 No.1047

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>>1037
The problem here is that it was Mao who rehabilitated Deng in the early 1970s, and it's probable that a major reason Lin died was because he wanted to reconcile with the Soviet revisionists (as opposed to the pro-US course of Deng and Mao.)

>>1034
>>1036
Did it?

* http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/chinecon.htm
* http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/shanghai.htm

>>1040
>>1041
As Hoxha noted, the Chinese put out basically correct criticisms of Soviet revisionism during this period. Khrushchev declaring that the dictatorship of the proletariat and class struggle had no basis to exist under socialism was an opportunist maneuver designed to make the working-class "anti-Marxist" if it dared to organize against the restoration of capitalism.

Thing is, Mao's "New Democracy" line continued to be upheld by the Chinese. It was never criticized, and continues to serve as a model for many Maoists today.

In Hoxha's view Mao's "anti-revisionism" was just posturing, on a much grander and deeper scale than Kim Il Sung or others who vacillated on this question, but still pretty much a response to the Soviets doing something the Chinese didn't like (in this case refusing to help make China into a great power.) Throughout the 1950s Mao attacked Stalin, praised Khrushchev's rise to power, inaugurated the "Hundred Flowers" period, etc.

There's an interesting five-part overview of China written by Bill Bland, who was one of the main pro-Albanian guys in the world. I think his analysis of the Mao faction as "comprador bourgeoisie" is odd, but the actual content makes up for it.

* http://ml-review.ca/aml/China/historyofmao.html
* http://ml-review.ca/aml/China/historyofmaopt2.html
* http://ml-review.ca/aml/China/historyofmaopt3.html
* http://ml-review.ca/aml/China/historyofmaopt4.html
* http://ml-review.ca/aml/China/historyofmaopt5.html

 No.1049

>>1047

>Throughout the 1950s Mao attacked Stalin, praised Khrushchev's rise to power, inaugurated the "Hundred Flowers" period, etc.


Care to elaborate? I don't remember Mao really attacking Stalin in anything I've read.

Also, in the 1950s in China where can I get some statistics about the ownership of industry. Like I want to know what fraction of industry were owned by comprador bourgeoisie, national brourgeoisie, and the state. If a large portion of China-based industry was owned by foreign impererialists, then it would make more sense to refer to the contradictions between the proletariat and the national bourgeoisie as temporarily non-antagonistic. After winning the civil war, it may have been more strategic to turn the national bourgeoisie against the imperialists rather than give them cause to ally with them.

 No.1050

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>>1049
>Care to elaborate? I don't remember Mao really attacking Stalin in anything I've read.

At the November 1957 Moscow Conference:

"Another aspect of Mao’s speech that drew immediate attention was his discussion of the internal struggle in the CPSU. When talking about unity, Mao inserted the following comment about the ouster of Molotov:

'I endorsed the CPSU Central Committee’s solution on the Molotov question. That was a struggle of opposites. The facts prove that unity could not be achieved and that the two sides were mutually exclusive. The Molotov clique took the opportunity to attack at a time when Comrade Khrushchev was abroad and unprepared. However, even though they waged a surprise attack, our Comrade Khrushchev is no fool. He is a smart person who immediately mobilized his troops and waged a victorious counterattack. That struggle was one between two lines: one erroneous and one relatively correct. In the four or five years since Stalin’s death the situation has improved considerably in the Soviet Union in the sphere of both domestic policy and foreign policy. This indicates that the line represented by Comrade Khrushchev is correct and that opposition to his line is incorrect.'"
(Zhihua Shen & Yafeng Xia. "Hidden Currents during the Honeymoon: Mao, Khrushchev, and the 1957 Moscow Conference," in Journal of Cold War Studies, Volume 11, Number 4, Fall 2009, pp. 108-109.)

Hua Guofeng also told Tito when the latter visited Beijing that Mao had considered his nationalist course correct in 1948-49, as noted in the Sino-Soviet split article. Hoxha's memoir "The Khrushchevites" likewise has Mao recalling to Hoxha that Stalin's attitude towards Tito was wrong.

Finally there's Mao's "On the Ten Major Relationships" from 1956:
>The "Left" adventurism pursued by Wang Ming in the latter part of the Second Revolutionary Civil War period and his Right opportunism in the early days of the War of Resistance Against Japan can both be traced to Stalin. At the time of the War of Liberation, Stalin first enjoined us not to press on with the revolution, maintaining that if civil war flared up, the Chinese nation would run the risk of destroying itself. Then when fighting did erupt, he took us half seriously, half sceptically. When we won the war, Stalin suspected that ours was a victory of the Tito type, and in 1949 and 1950 the pressure on us was very strong indeed. Even so, we maintain the estimate of 30 per cent for his mistakes and 70 per cent for his achievements. This is only fair.

The way Maoism was able to justify itself in Chinese conditions was by contrasting the supposedly "dogmatic" Comintern line of the 1920s-30s with the "creative" line of Mao.

I don't have statistics for ownership in the 1950s, but there's two works which critiicize the economic and political views of Maoism:
* http://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/cousml-neo/index.htm (see parts IV, V and VI)
* http://marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/rpo-china.htm (this covers the "Cultural Revolution" as well)

 No.1108


 No.1449

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A book I scanned yesterday on the partisan resistance during WWII: https://archive.org/details/SteeledInTheHeatOfBattle

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Since Albania turned 102 years old today, I decided to scan the second English edition of Hoxha's memoir "The Khrushchevites" (said edition being pretty hard to obtain offline): https://archive.org/details/TheKhrushchevites



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