/marx/ - Marxism

Do you pay taxes? If so we already have you

>>113
>those that own the means of production produce

You actually believe that?

>welfare is universally bad

I can't wait until de-skilling or monopolisation puts you out of work so you become reliant on welfare.

>>124

So deluded. Free market capitalism leads to monopolies and cartels, and also to the government essentially serving the capitalist class.

>>129

Cartels can crush startups and small businesses by outcompeting them. Why did monopolies form? You might say because the state created em. But actually they form due to the natural process of capitalist development. Don't you know the idea of economies of scale? Nothing in history is really a "stable state" that can last forever. That's what Marxist dialectics teaches us. Each phase of human society creates the conditions for its own negation, and the creation of the next phase. Free market capitalism created monopoly capitalism. Free market capitalism creates and then monopoly capitalism further develops the conditions for socialism and the class antagonism that can lead to socialist revolution. The state is essentially just is a concentrated expression of class power. It mainly serves the capitalist class because of the economic dominance and power they have in society when compared to that of the working class.

>>131
Well this discussion will last forever so here some monopolies created by the state:
Police, justice, money, roads
Plese give me some monopolies created by the free market.

>>137
I don't get why Libertarians think the State is somehow un-capitalist.

The bourgeois state is a result of private property. it exists soley for its protection and the enforcement of bourgeois class rule.

So why you say "look at all the bad things the state does" as an attack on socialism, we'd very much agree with you. State bailouts of large corporations is a bad use of public funds, but the state only does that because it exists in capitalism to manage a bourgeois economy. It exists to prop up private property and to enforce the wishes of its capitalist masters. The evils of the State are the evils of capitalism generally.

>>124
I find it amusing how you can accuse monopolies of occurring within a government before then admitting it's also a consequence of the free market. How about we note the staggering trend of monopolisation? Look at the media in the US. A staggering percentage of the country's media is owned by three companies. That same percentage a few decades ago was in the dozens. Then look at the energy price-fixing cartels in the UK or the length companies go to remove all sorts of competition to the point where countries like Germany had to block mergers because they would create a complete monopoly in an industry. You are entirely ridiculous.

>>147
> No, it exist because people like you want to distribute the wealth

So the origin of the state is because people want to re-distribute wealth?
> Libertarians actually believe this ahistorical shit

>>137
Natural Monopolies exist on certain goods where it's more efficient to have a service provided by a single company. The Government usually steps in and has to fix prices so that the company retains a profit while also not allowing the company to inflate prices due to its monoploy (a good example of this our utility bill is fixed by the state and often controlled by a private company)

Really though, monopolies are a problem that even modern Capitalists admit are a bad thing. It's why anti-trust laws exist (not saying the concentration of capital doesn't still occur, just saying that the problems of private property are problematic enough without monopolies still being as common an occurance as in, say, the guilded age)

>>124
Are you serious, you truly believe the relationship between a worker and a capitalist is one of consent? When the options are starve to death or do whatever one man says, it isn't trade. So take your Russian psycho-bitch back to hell where she belongs.

>>147

>And under our view there is no difference if you're a CEO from a succesful company or a worker for a limonade stand under the rule of a 5year old

>no difference

What about the glaringly obvious difference?

>>223
Yea, but didn't you just kill your own point by stating that you NEED a government to prevent price gouging by companies holding said "Natural Monopolies" and to pass anti trust laws to prevent price fixing and other monopolies from forming?