/marx/ - Marxism

There are definitely ideological implications in the whole thing in terms of SJWism, etc. I don't know that much about it really but yeah it's not just about particular isolated individuals and their particular isolated interests. Might be an experiment in cultural engineering. Then again like I said I don't know that much about it so I can't really say, but your friend's view seems a bit naive.

I'm assuming we're speaking on SJW's
It's a weird trend to be sure, perhaps like the anon above me mentioned, a cultural experiment
>culture war
Socialists I've seen have adapted to the identity politics and accepted them for the most part, and in a less frenzied manner, ultimately the sjw's will be faced with working class insurrection and the repression it will bring and join our boat or become irrelevant

>>1125
>Might be an experiment
>>1140
>cultural experiment

Curious where this comes from?

I think this is natural behavior or liberal/capitalist societies?

- identity politics exist to distract from class
- grievences used to gain access to power in counter cultures
- leg-up allies into culture under assault
- instill cultural hedgemony, choke political thought

Why is this an experiment? Seems like a historical pattern to me, even if the weapon (identity politics/intersectional feminism) is new.

Gamergate has nothing to do with marxism. When you force your ideology into it, you are the nex type of sjw yourself. Games are about gaming. Gaming culture is about gaming. None of them should be analysed from a marxist standpoint, only from a gamer standpoint. Everything else will lead to poisoning the gamer community and splitting it up.
Just let video games be video games.

>>1145
>>1155
>gamergate raw raw - go away.

No, I am actually interested in a Marxist opinion on it. I feel that the resistance from some people is likely because they have an SJW sympathy and don't want to percieve themselves as part of, or acting on behalf of the bourgeois. Intellectual dishonesty is still dishonesty. If this isn't the case, then state so and why.

>>1155

Wasn't there something tying the whole thing to Silverlight Media and DARPA and their attempts at social egineering through the internet? As I said I'm not that well educated on it but that's what I heard. Could be worth looking into. But basically they can use thise gamergate thing as an experiment to see what should be done if you're trying to socially engineer certain concepts into the population, and what not to do, etc.

>>1160
>Wasn't there something tying the whole thing to Silverlight Media and DARPA

Sounds very /x/ to me but I'll look into it and see what that's about. Frankly, I do think that this is just a normal expression of the capitalist borgeious waging culture war.

The thing is, In the poor/working class communities sjw shit is opposed if people are even aware of it, It's only even a small idea in practice to the liberal middle class
This isn't really relevant to us in the long term anyway, advocating working class revolution, this shit isn't broadcasted to the working class, it is largely irrelevant to them.

>>1163
My feeling on this is that SJW identity politics is designed to promote ignorance of class status because it allows the upper class bourgeois to claim the moral authority of the working class through fake "oppression".

So spreading it to the working class is the ultimate plan of the bourgeois as then the worker will be trapped in a cycle of trying to justify "oppression" based on relative societal mores, instead of the factual case of economic mobility and class.

Maybe that theory does belong on /x/ …

>>1164
kind of samefagging but…

just wanted to expand on my other point.

The idea is this: If the majority race and gender/sex orientation are the only people incapable of being oppressed in identity politics, then you become the "oppressor" in their little kabuki theatre, regardless of what your actual class status us.

So, the white male underclass will take on the mantle of the bourgeois and be the victim of the hatred of the masses.

It should be noted: my personal politics are not aligned with MRA's or racism at all. The fact that I have to even make this disclaimer is somewhat of a testiment to how effective the tactic has been to date.

>>1166
We should not forsake feminism(in a broad sense at least) or anti-racism in our attempts to resist sjw influence

Anyway, interesting theory but I honestly can't see the working class eating this shit, most of them have no idea this kind of shit exists and those I have spoken to have rejected the ideas vocally, I can't help but feel this is some new wave middle class liberal bullshit.

However what seems plausible to me is the SJW movement is something encouraged to domesticate/control budding movements. Look at ferguson, in the 1970's black people met with the same shit organized the black panther party and took action against the government oppressing them both with open carry of arms, self policing of communities, civil projects in their communities, and civil disobedience on a large scale. However with ferguson, after gaining the attention and support of the SJ-media, they have become little more than a pretty picture for SJ activists like they succesfully turned the ferguson movement into a liberal spectacle by making it a primary issue for the SJ folks stripping it of any real potential, shit's already much smaller than when it started, is going nowhere, may be dead in a few months or so.

>>1162
The DARPA part is very /x/. DARPA funded a DiGRA project. A lot of tinfoil retards saw that connection and were all like "DA GOVMENT IS BEHIND THIS!" without realizing DARPA funds a lot of shit.

DiGRA using Silverstring as a way of spreading propaganda in the gaming media is the real deal, though.

>>1182
>However with ferguson, after gaining the attention and support of the SJ-media, they have become little more than a pretty picture for SJ activists like they succesfully turned the ferguson movement into a liberal spectacle by making it a primary issue for the SJ folks stripping it of any real potential, shit's already much smaller than when it started, is going nowhere, may be dead in a few months or so.

I think the above is a great example of how SJ rhetorical tactics and organization is ultimately self defeating. If they are truly allies of the black community, then they should act like it intead of dominating and taking over the political discourse and driving away the citizens from their own grievances.

Fredrik deBoer actually visited /gg/ and talked to some people in there about this blog he wrote:
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2014/10/27/everything-personal-cant-be-political/

I think I agree with his thesis and can call it out as one of the reasons why the SJ movement is falling on it's ass.

>We should not forsake feminism(in a broad sense at least) or anti-racism in our attempts to resist sjw influence

It bothers me that we live in a climate where such boilerplate statements and disclaimers are not only commonplace, but required as part of political discourse. It should always be assumed that Marxism is essentially feminist and eglitarian in nature without needing to be explicitly stated.