/marx/ - Marxism

It's one spamming titoist, he showed up and started the ebin XD side meme after getting btfo in the tito thread he started. If he was banned the post quality would increase dramatically

Notorious "AIDF" supreme commander Ismail here.

He doesn't just attack Hoxha, he attacks Albanians as a people and insinuates that Hoxha-era Albania and Turkey were in some secret Muslim alliance or something against the pure white Slavs, which gives you a good idea of what sort of "internationalist" he is.

But yeah whenever you actually point out what the end results of "workers' self-management" (mass unemployment, disparities between the national republics of Yugoslavia, capitalism under a "socialist" veneer) and "non-alignment" (siding with US imperialism against the Stalin-era USSR, supporting avowed anti-communists abroad such as Nasser and Nehru, getting one's country billions of dollars in debt to Western banks) were, there's no reply.

I've never seen a single self-described Titoist who could actually defend the policies of the Tito-era Yugoslavia beyond "communism isn't a religion" or "Stalin was a bad, bad man." This applies both for those who actually live in those countries and Internet Titoists in the West who get infatuated with him for a few months before becoming anarchists or Trots or something (since there were never any actual Titoist parties abroad.)

If you actually have questions bout Albania or Hoxha, ask away.

>>1463
Thank you Based Ismail for enlightening my thread. I don't have any exact questions on Hoxha or Albania, but I am curious as to what your opinion is on how /leftypol/ got taken over by 'AIDF pls' shitposters and rustled Titoists who can't actually debate Maoism, 'Hoxhaism' or 'Marxism-Leninism'. They also of course can't explain how 'Hoxhaism' and 'Marxism-Leninism' are actual ideologies and not just Leninism with Albanian characteristics or just flat-out Leninist-policies.

Pic Unrelated: It's my face right now.

>>1464
I'm pretty sure that /leftypol/ was started by someone not favorably inclined towards Joseph Stalin (and probably not even Lenin) to begin with. To my knowledge it's always been a place hostile to those who are favorably inclined towards Uncle Joe. Naturally since their knowledge of the Stalin era is deficient their understanding of what went on in Albania under Hoxha is going to be far, far worse, so you get people who call Hoxha everything from a madman to a retard because he built bunkers or he didn't like Tito.

>>1467
Albania's army was much smaller than Yugoslavia's and Romania's, and furthermore the defense doctrine of the country was based on the whole populace (i.e. civilians) being trained in basic armaments. Combined with the mountainous geography the bunkers were seen as logical.

As for the international situation, the bunker campaign got underway when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia. Greece had also proclaimed itself in a "state of war" with Albania all the way until 1987. So there were fears about the Warsaw Treaty and NATO countries.

Albania continued making rapid economic and cultural progress throughout the 70s, the bunkers didn't impoverish the country.

As for your last question, Mao in 1956 and Mao in 1960 had two different positions. The Mao in 1956 was supportive of Khrushchev, the Mao in 1960 wasn't. Furthermore Mao's critical remarks on Stalin (such as in "On the Ten Major Relationships") weren't officially published until the 70s.

The Albanians always had reservations about what the Chinese were doing from 1956 onwards, just as they had reservations about what the Soviet revisionists were doing from 1953 onwards, but they initially felt that the Chinese were simply mistaken on a few issues and that they themselves (as in, the Albanians) didn't know everything and weren't in a position to assume the worst.

As Hoxha noted, the CPC was very much a "closed" party when it came to relations with other parties. Even in state-to-sate relations the Chinese side was very tight-lipped towards its ostensible European ally. This is made clear from Hoxha's "Reflections on China."

But it is worth noting that even after 1978, Hoxha never felt that Albania was wrong to side with China against the USSR in the initial period. In his book "The Khrushchevites" (published in 1980) he said that the Soviet revisionists behaved in a most un-Marxist way towards the Chinese and that the Chinese at the time seemed to maintain basically correct positions on the important issues (Stalin, peaceful coexistence, building socialism, etc.)