I'm new-ish to Marxism, can someone help me understand the difference between Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism or point me in the direction of resources that could help? Unrelated, but I heard (without a source provided) this picture isn't actually Sta

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Anonymous 01/09/15 (Fri) 08:07:46 No.1805

I'm new-ish to Marxism, can someone help me understand the difference between Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism or point me in the direction of resources that could help?

Unrelated, but I heard (without a source provided) this picture isn't actually Stalin, it's a model that the USSR passed off as Stalin for propaganda, is that true?

Anonymous 01/09/15 (Fri) 08:08:21 No.1806

kek the wordfilter. Didn't know S t a l i n i s m became Marxism-Leninism.

Anonymous 01/10/15 (Sat) 12:05:09 No.1810

>>1805

How much do you know about Marxism already? And do you have anything particular in mind?

Anonymous 01/10/15 (Sat) 15:04:00 No.1811

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Someone asked something similar in this post:
>>1625

Here's something I posted on
>>1646
>So Marxist-Leninist = marxist-leninist =/= Leninist ?
Marxist-Leninist = "Stalin-ists" (MLs tend not to like because it's used as a bad word)
Leninists are those that follow the party line of Lenin and follow his political works; you don't necessarily have to be an ML to be a Leninist. Most Trots are Leninists.

Anonymous 01/11/15 (Sun) 03:44:50 No.1813

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If you want a very brief understanding of the differences from a ML perspective: http://www.oneparty.co.uk/index.html?http%3A//www.oneparty.co.uk/html/tcguide.html

>Unrelated, but I heard (without a source provided) this picture isn't actually Stalin, it's a model that the USSR passed off as Stalin for propaganda, is that true?
No, it's not true. The Soviets "touched up" Stalin's face in photographs to remove pockmarks, that's about it.

Anonymous 01/17/15 (Sat) 09:53:06 No.1816

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https://archive.org/details/SovietPolicyAndItsCritics

Here's a 1939 work I scanned a few days back when does a good job giving the Stalin side of the debate.

Anonymous 01/19/15 (Mon) 23:56:32 No.1830

>>1811
>socialism in one state
>Marxist-Leninist

Okay comrade :^)

Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 13:52:19 No.1856

>>1811

>propagating the `Trotskyism is unadulterated Leninism' myth

Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 14:39:23 No.1857

>>1856
I never said that`Trotskyism is unadulterated Leninism.' Trotskyism is Trotskyist.

Anonymous 01/20/15 (Tue) 23:55:10 No.1859

>>1857

Still, Trotsky's lines differed greatly from Lenin's lines, so why say that Trotskyists are Leninists?

Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 05:38:40 No.1860

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>>1857
“At the end of 1903, Trotsky was an ardent Menshevik, i.e., he deserted from the Iskrists to the Economists. He said that ‘between the old Iskra and the new lies a gulf’. In 1904-05, he deserted the Mensheviks and occupied a vacillating position, now co-operating with Martynov (the Economist), now proclaiming his absurdly Left ‘permanent revolution’ theory.”
(V.I. Lenin. Collected Works Vol. 20. Moscow: Progress Publishers. 1977. p. 346.)

Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 06:40:59 No.1861

>>1859
Same reason why the Left-Communist Bordigists are "Leninists", because they follow Leninist theory (Leninist definition of imperialism, Leninist party organition, etc). That being said, I didn't say all Trots are Leninists; many Trots refuse to call themselves Leninists, because muh authoritarianism.

Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 12:02:04 No.1862

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>>1861
The problem is that the definition is so wide as to become useless. A Left-Communsit cannot be a Leninist, even if they pretend they are (as the Bordigists do with their "organic centralism.") One also has to start calling persons like Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Tito and Gorbachev (among many others) "Leninist."

And then you logically have to extend this to Marxism as well, so that Luxemburg and Bernstein were equally Marxist, as were Lenin and Kautsky, etc. At this point the distinction between claiming to be "Leninist" for demagogic purposes and actually following the road of Lenin is obliterated. Anyone can pay lipservice to Marx and Lenin and thus describe themselves as "Marxist-Leninist."

Anonymous 01/21/15 (Wed) 14:44:59 No.1864

>>1862
eugh, I don't want to have this debate. I don't like Trotskyites nor Left-communists, and I don't want to defend wether or not they're "leninists." You're right about how "leninism"'s definition is 'so wide its useless,' but I just use it in order to differentiate between anti-leninist "marxists": (Kautskyites, ultra-leftists, certain undercurrents of Trot thought, etc) from those that follow more traditional "leninist" forms of thought.