/marx/ - Marxism

I find it funny seeing many Trots willing to defend SYRIZA. These are the same people who will denounce the popular front in Spain when the issue was struggling against a fascist insurrection (and where the influence of the communists only rose as time went on), but they'll go all over themselves in an effort to justify unity with Greek social-democrats solely on the basis of "austerity is bad" while giving all power and initiative to the social-democrats.

>>2006
>Britain
>socialist
brah learn 2 mode of production

>>2012
Socialism =/= state owned enterprises. Just because a government "fills a role in society" via economic interfearence does not make society "socialist." Socialism, in its loosest term, is as system of common ownership of private property beyond capitalism. If a society still guerintees private property, and within itself contains the same contradictions inherent to capitalism: capital vs labour, and commodity production and market exchange, that society is not socialist, regardless if a "socialist" organization is in "charge."

>>2028
I'm not an anarchist brah. Marx4lyfe

The problem with "tax-subsided" implies taxes and subsidies. Not-for-profit implies profit still existing as institution. State enterprise pressuposses the state, but more importantly, it assumes the existance enterprise. All of which point towards the mind-set of capitalism.

Yes, society is in constant transition, and state operated instutions are useful, for a transitional period. Two (of many, of course) ultimate goals of Communism is to do away with private property, and to do away with the state as well. Underneath class society is something called a class dictatorship, or when a dominant class establishes itself as the ruling class, and from it establishes its own society and the social functions resulting from this establishment. Under Capitalism, the dominant class tends, not suprisingly, to be the bourgeoisie. Regardless of the institution of supposedly progressive institutions to reform society, society itself remains the same; capitalist, down to the core. To reiterate socialism =/= state owned enterprises. The Vietnamese revisionists attempt to excuse themselves of their own blatant oppurtunism by stressing that socialism is equated with state-operated enterprises. And do you support the current Vietnamese regime; China's China?

>no sub sect of the people "owns" the socialized healthcare, but it's owned entirely by the state
A fundamental principle of all leftist ideologies is for workers' control of the means of production. If the State controls the means of production, what is important is that the State is controlled by the workers. To paraphrase Luxemburg, proletarian revolutionary organs, detached from the struggle towards a truly communist society become nothing more than another organ of bourgeois class rule. This is why I put "scare quotes" around "Socialist" and "charge" because many self-proclaimed "socialists" who end up getting to "power" via bourgeois parliamentary means, via vote, never obtain the necessary dictatorship of the proletariat to even begin transitioning to any form of socialist society.