Are we all anti-feminist here? What does /Marx/ think about the hijacking of the women's movement by right wing fascists? Anti-feminist, pro-women's rights

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Anonymous 03/12/15 (Thu) 20:29:50 No.2123

Are we all anti-feminist here?

What does /Marx/ think about the hijacking of the women's movement by right wing fascists?

Anti-feminist, pro-women's rights

Anonymous 03/14/15 (Sat) 01:45:27 No.2128

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No.

The correct stance for Marxists is to critique the non-revolutionary liberal feminisms and uphold a revolutionary Marxist-feminism that identifies the material basis for patriarchal oppression and its relationship to class society.

Anonymous 03/14/15 (Sat) 06:15:50 No.2129

>>2128

This, and it's very important to carry out the analysis correctly and to not fall into incorrect lines of thinking.

Personally, I think it's essentially not a problem in western societies, but in places like Saudi Araba there is perhaps more of an issue.

Anonymous 03/14/15 (Sat) 07:48:49 No.2130

>>2129
Right-wingers say the same thing about class.

Comrade 03/17/15 (Tue) 11:14:45 No.2170

>>2130

That may be the case but it doesn't mean anything.

Comrade 03/17/15 (Tue) 16:04:29 No.2186

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Feminism a shit

Comrade 04/01/15 (Wed) 22:19:51 No.2333

All marxists should uphold revolutionary proletarian feminism.

Comrade 04/03/15 (Fri) 01:26:42 No.2341

"Anti-Feminism" is a bourgeois trend only to further propagate rape culture, patriarchy, etcetera in bothe the First and Third World.

We Are Anti-Liberal
We Are Anti-SJW
We Are Anti-Sectarian

But what we are not is Anti-Feminist
To be Anti-Feminist is to disregard the rights of an entire group of potentially revolutionary people, which is a crime against altruism, freedom, equality, and communism.

If you are to be truly altruist
If you are to be truly communist
If you are to be truly marxist
You would support revolutionary proletarian feminism and recognize the struggles of wimmin around the world.

To quote the chinese revolutionaries, "Wimmin hold up half of the sky!", and in some nations, it is more like 2/3rds!

Long Live Revolutionary Proletarian Feminism! Long Live The People!
Long Live Communism!

Comrade 04/03/15 (Fri) 23:50:36 No.2343

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>>2341
>altruist
>wimmin

Comrade 04/04/15 (Sat) 13:01:55 No.2345

>>2333

And how is that defined?

Comrade 04/04/15 (Sat) 13:09:23 No.2346

>>2341

Liberal revisionism.

Historically Marxist movements have pretty much always contained gender equality; the liberal perversion you'd like to to mix in to Marxism is quite uncessary and even deleterious to the global Marxist movement. Unfortunately people like you are spawned en masse from the bourgeois media and eductation system.

Comrade 04/04/15 (Sat) 22:43:27 No.2348

>>2346
explain how any part of my post is 'liberal' or 'revisionist'

>>2343
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism
>Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others

what about altruism is not equivalent to marxism?

I'd also like to amend part of my post:
>We Are Anti-Sectarian
We Are Anti-Anti-Sectarian.

Comrade 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:52:21 No.2349

>>2128
This.

I am not "anti-feminist" because it is an unhelpful position to take.

Oppression based on gender, race, sexuality etc all exist and are problems to varying degrees across the globe, but these forms of oppression are legitimized and perpetuated by class oppression above all others and it is only through the alleviation of class oppression that we can overcome other kinds of oppression.

Comrade 04/05/15 (Sun) 16:06:52 No.2352

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>>2348
Advocating altruism is a libertarian idea that was imposed upon the liberals, who accepted it. We arem't "Altruists," we don't give two shits about the wellfare of the Bourgeoise. The idea that we should tolerate everyone, love everyone, forgive your enemies, all hug and kiss, and stand for unprincipled peace is a phillistine liberal position that rejects the class struggle

We're proletarian collectivists, who reject petty individualism in turn for serving a greater perpose, that of the People. We only care about the proletariat, their dictatorship, and the advancement of a truly Communist society.

Comrade 04/05/15 (Sun) 19:41:50 No.2354

>>2352
under communism everyone is equal and works for the benifit of each other, how is that not altruism?

Comrade 04/06/15 (Mon) 01:34:13 No.2355

>>2354
Under complete communism, yes, but not in the transitional period, which mandates struggle against the enemies of the Revolution.

Comrade 08/06/15 (Thu) 21:36:33 No.2756

>>2345

http://maosoleum.ncp.lc/2015/03/08/what-is-proletarian-feminism/

Comrade 08/06/15 (Thu) 22:19:53 No.2758

>>2123

No we are anti-idpol

Strathco 08/08/15 (Sat) 06:38:04 No.2788

>>2128

>>2349

This is what needed to be said.

Comrade 08/08/15 (Sat) 11:54:30 No.2790

Strathco 08/08/15 (Sat) 16:25:01 No.2791

>>2790

Tovarsch, in the eyes of most people who are actually have some complex about "Social Justice Warriors", Marxism really isn't a hair different from Feminism.

What class are "Social Justice Warriors"? Does borrowing unscientific, terms from fascists actually help us? It's that whole fear of some abstract personality type that the trots and other revisionists uses to smear "stalinism". Is it really the case that we need to reach out with open arms to those who have an axe to grind against "SJWs" and accept their backwards standard of discourse, or those on the receiving end of the stamp itself, amoung whom there is already a current of interest, however fleeting, as opposed to obscurantist conspiracy theory theatre that dominates in reactionary circles.

Comrade 08/10/15 (Mon) 15:36:25 No.2799

>>2791

>What class are "Social Justice Warriors"?

Bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie

Strathco 08/10/15 (Mon) 23:09:37 No.2800

>>2799

the urban petty bourgeoisie and national bourgeoisie can be made to serve as allies to the working class if the stance of the Party is correct ideologically, They will deprive reactionaries of the right to speak, naturally. The coincidence of them attacking reactionaries with the opponents of Communism is too great an advantage to let pass to our side. The party must accomadate an advanced ideological perspective. The line of the party is strong enough. Here's the left deviationist error; reality has yet again passed behind the ideal of the working class and the functional level of their institutions. Everything has been done to confuse the position of the working class, by it's enemies. Increasingly they are subject to proletarianization in the disorientation caused by crisis and it's death grip on markets which interferes in their operations.

'SJWs' are those classes feeling the first gusts of going prolo as primitive accumilation Austerity strikes again. This is in the margins of the first world. Liberal supporters are betrayed by their avenue (reflected on both ends of the confluence in petit bourgeois and bourgeois politics). These sections are led by working class politics on one end and bourgeois on the other.

Comrade 08/11/15 (Tue) 15:41:33 No.2801

>>2800

How revisionist

Comrade 08/12/15 (Wed) 08:50:27 No.2805

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Gulag to all liberals.

Strathco 08/12/15 (Wed) 17:14:45 No.2807

>>2801

If SJW had a concrete definition for use in political work. I might agree with you. The problem is that they don't, they are a numinous prescence that can mean everything from individual blogger as far as institutions such as the SPLC. Therefore in the eyes of our enemies, what is a small operation can take on the prescence of a larger, culturall decisive one.

take this article in the bourg press

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

Fear of SJWs is not confined to reactionaries. For us, the campus is a valuable place to spread Marxist idea. Combined that with the examples of asymmetrical power exercised by concerned students. They are capable of making teachers loose their jobs. Those in the acacdemic community are some of the biggest enemies of communism. it has been shown that they fear attack on their home terrain. They teach liberal humanist courses which emphasize the classics of slaveowning societies to champion the values of capitalist one. An avenue for attack and disruption has been opened through which communists may pass undetected and take down their foes as they fumble inarticulately in the dark for 'SJWs' and "political correctness" run amok. If our enemies are supposed to be progressive and a sustained attack can make them express odious sentiments and turn the people away from them, it is not revisionist to take advantage of this strategy but joining the ideological struggle with methods of online work.